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L'organist
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We are Marching can be made to fit The Gummy Bear song with relative ease.
And you'll find the GB song rather more 'peppy' than We are Marching.
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Belle Ringer
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it seems increasingly false for comfortable, white, middle-class congregations to sing it...
...there was a huge surge of triumphalism. We were "claiming" the Kingdom and being "prayer warriors". Well, others were. I was increasingly standing in the corner
I was unaware of the African background until I went looking for a link and heard the opening rhythm. Local praise band does it like a folk song, same feel as "this land is your land."
I think your comment about triumphalism and the contrast to what is actually going on is what makes me cringe a bit even while enjoying a bouncy cheerful song - enjoying less after band leader decreed no off-beat harmonizing, no hand drum, just straight beat melody. (The decree applies to all songs - no harmonizing, no offbeat responses, no hand instruments,those are "not worship.")
The song is a declaration of energetic triumphal movement while we just sit there and then wander over to the coffee or go to lunch. In a younger church with people bouncing and waiving hands etc it might seem less contrast to reality.
I appreciate the various comments.
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Originally posted by Belle Ringer:
Am I being too literal, just relax and enjoy the rhythm?
At once too literal and not literal enough. It's a South African song and there's a huge emotional impact to get literal about.
We have sung it in our shack sometimes, but then we have (as well as middle class white British) people who are South African, Nigerian, Sudanese, and Jamaican as well as South American, North American, Belgian and various others I can't list! it seems to go down ok ![[Smile]](smile.gif) .
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It's a good vehicle for the open and joyful expression of communal praise. As seems pretty obvious from that wonderfully evocative video.
One of my favourite Desmond Tutu stories involves him leading a congregation from cathedral to streets during the apartheid era. Police and soldiers had burst into the cathedral and surrounded a congregation gathered for a peace conference and prayer meeting. Tutu advised them that they had already lost, then led the congregation to safety, singing this song as they marched out. Every time I hear this song, I remember that act of courage and my heart is warmed.
I guess the song is like a flower. In the wrong place, and certainly sung "staid and anal" it will be more weed than flower. But that is a consequence of seeking to control and bottle joy, rather then express it freely.
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Jolly Jape
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originally posted by Belle Ringer
(The decree applies to all songs - no harmonizing, no offbeat responses, no hand instruments,those are "not worship.")
What a strange understanding of worship your band leader has. Don't imagine he reads much Old Testament! What would he think of David? ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif)
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Belle Ringer
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originally posted by Belle Ringer
(The decree applies to all songs - no harmonizing, no offbeat responses, no hand instruments,those are "not worship.")
What a strange understanding of worship your band leader has. Don't imagine he reads much Old Testament! What would he think of David?
LOL, probably "performance, calling attention to self, not leading others in worship."
I'm just noticing how much the way a song is done can make it crappy or amazing.
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I've sung We Are Marching whilst doing a conga line, singing it in a more staid environment would feel pretty cringey.
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Lord of the Dance: can be found in a prominent position on the CofE's own wedding music suggestion page, along with other cringe-making numbers.
There are some alternative words to some of the CofE's more *interesting* choices of wedding music on Ally Barrett's website - part way down that page are alternative words to the tunes of Lord of the Dance, Jerusalem and All Things Bright and Beautiful intended for weddings.
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Lamb Chopped
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Ash Wednesday--and of course the first song had to refer to Jesus "walking on this guilty sod." I cracked up and got weird looks.
Y'all Brits are ruining me.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Ash Wednesday--and of course the first song had to refer to Jesus "walking on this guilty sod." I cracked up and got weird looks.
Y'all Brits are ruining me.
Thing is, over here the image of Jesus trampling over some poor sinner would actually be the primary meaning of the phrase. "Sod" for turf is very rare; a lot of people wouldn't even know that meaning.
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Jolly Jape
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Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
Ash Wednesday--and of course the first song had to refer to Jesus "walking on this guilty sod." I cracked up and got weird looks.
Y'all Brits are ruining me.
Ah, yes. Twila's infamous recourse to the rhyming dictionary! ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Leorning Cniht
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
"Sod" for turf is very rare; a lot of people wouldn't even know that meaning.
I am still given annual amusement by the signs that appear outside the local DIY/garden type store: "SOD TODAY".
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John Holding
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Round here it's "turf" that would often not be used. (though grass fertilizer is sometimes sold as "turf builder"). Garden sod is the usual term.
The use of "sod" to refer to a person (in whatever sense), or sodding as an all purpose alternative to fucking, the way the brits seem to use it, is pretty much unknown as well.
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The use of sodding as an all purpose alternative to fucking, the way the brits seem to use it, is pretty much unknown as well.
It is an alternative to buggering.
Helpful Brit advice. ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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The only times I seem to use sod regularly are in crossword puzzles.
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Oscar the Grouch
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Originally posted by balaam:
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Originally posted by John Holding:
The use of sodding as an all purpose alternative to fucking, the way the brits seem to use it, is pretty much unknown as well.
It is an alternative to buggering.
Helpful Brit advice.
Agreed. But is it an EXACT equivalent? Is telling someone to "sod off" precisely the same as telling them to "bugger off"?
Is it more rude/crude or less?
And does it make any difference which part of the UK you are in when you say it? During my time in West Yorkshire, it became very apparent that the ejaculation "Oh bugger!" was really very mild and almost completely acceptable in any situation (although I avoided using it in the presence of the bishop - but then he weren't from Yorkshire, were he).
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Leorning Cniht
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Originally posted by Oscar the Grouch:
Agreed. But is it an EXACT equivalent? Is telling someone to "sod off" precisely the same as telling them to "bugger off"?
Is it more rude/crude or less?
I think you understand the etymology.
In terms of crudeness, I'd rate "sod" as slightly milder than "bugger". (One of the biggest surprises I had on moving to the US was hearing my infant daughter's pediatrician describe her as a "cute little bugger".)
Bugger is pretty mild, though - you'd have to draw a very fine line indeed for "sod" to be acceptable, but bugger to not be.
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I have no academic basis for it, but I instinctively feel that "sod off", "you dozy sod" etc. tend towards a more southern/London/home counties (or perhaps just large conurbations) and mildly lower-middle-class usage, whereas "bugger off", "you daft bugger" etc. are more commonly northern (and possibly far southern - i.e. thick accent territory) tendencies, and more likely to be both working AND upper class usages.
But that may just be a personal tic with no wider validity, with most of my family being a variety of buggers (northern) but my school mates a bunch of sods (southern).
Actually, most of my school mates were a bunch of cu^HNO CARRIER..............
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Albertus
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...The use of ... sodding as an all purpose alternative to fucking...
That's pretty much what the French accuse us of, isn't it?
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L'organist
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Not usually. Le vice anglaise is generally taken to mean a little light discipline, sometimes known as flagellation
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North East Quine
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It was Thinking Day today and the Rainbows sang the Arky Arky song, with a verse I'd never heard before;
The animals they came out in threesies, in threesies, threesies.
The animals they came out in threesies, in threesies, threesies
Must have been those birds and beesies, beesies
Children of the Lord.
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Without disagreeing about any of the stuff about some congregations singing some songs in ways that are sheer appropriation, it can be so perfect too. Was just reminded of something that happened a couple years ago. We were singing a song in Yoruba, and I was in the choir so I knew a few people were concerned or complaining about pronunciation. As we were singing, I saw some people come in late while we were singing said song. I saw the newcomers join in particularly excitedly with the song. It was all the more noticeable because they were so very quiet and almost unresponsive the rest of the time. I found out at coffee hour that they had recently emmigrated from Nigeria, and knew very little English. They'd come because they were of the same denomination and hoped to find a similar worship experience. Think how fun it must have been to come and hear people singing (albeit with bad pronunciation I suspect) in your own language!)
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To change the theme: did anyone else know that Michael Saward, writer of "Christ Triumphant" and an editor of that butt of much derision, "Hymns for Today's Church", died a couple of weeks ago? I only came across it by chance (I clearly don't read the right newspapers).
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not a crappy chorus but...
We go to a monthly tune club, where Darllenwr and a number of others learn Welsh folk tunes. The tutor has them playing phrases by ear, and then putting the whole thing together. In this month's session, she taught them a tune, had them play it slowly, then get faster. At the end, she asked if it had been too fast for anyone. Our friend Ken, who is also a Reader and a church musician remarked to Darllenwr " you can't scare us, we can cope with "You shall go out with joy!""
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L'organist
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NEQ
I had to look up your 'Arky Arky' song
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Bugger is pretty mild, though - you'd have to draw a very fine line indeed for "sod" to be acceptable, but bugger to not be.
Interesting. I'd say that the former is a lot milder than the latter - for example, I'd almost always use "sod" as a euphemism for "bugger" and I'd happily say the first in the office but not the second. Possibly a pond difference or just a feature of my upbringing (south eastern English)?
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L'organist
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To quote the hymn:
But thy couch was the sod,
O thou Son of God,
In the deserts of Galilee.
I'd say the two are interchangeable, the b word being very much in everyday parlance, and not just in that well-known military expression KBO (a favourite of Churchill, apparently) and that useful word embuggerment.
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Albertus
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Needless to say, K*v*n M**h*w changes those lines.
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L'organist
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Of course - what do you expect from an anagram of weak - envy him?
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Albertus
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Also an anagram of I've weak hymn
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North East Quine
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Originally posted by L'organist:
NEQ
I had to look up your 'Arky Arky' song
In fairness, it was being sung by 6 year olds. Though they were being accompanied on the guitar by our minister, and many in the congregation (including me!) were doing the hand gestures.
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I had to look up your 'Arky Arky' song
You have to respect a lyricist who can rhyme arky arky with barky barky, threesies with beesies, and floody floody with muddy muddy. It is a fantastic song for children and for adults who remember singing it as children.
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I'd almost always use "sod" as a euphemism for "bugger" and I'd happily say the first in the office but not the second.
Here is, apparently, the BBC's list of rude words, of somewhat recent vintage. There's some difficulty with the list, of course - "God" and "Jesus" can be swearing or not depending on context, as can several other words on the list.
But for our purposes it ranks "bugger" as very mildly ruder than "sodding".
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Originally posted by L'organist:
NEQ
I had to look up your 'Arky Arky' song
You have to respect a lyricist who can rhyme arky arky with barky barky, threesies with beesies, and floody floody with muddy muddy. It is a fantastic song for children and for adults who remember singing it as children.
Apart from the subject matter of course, which isn't really suitable for anyone.
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The animals came out in threesies? What did they do while on board?
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Albertus
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What would you do, locked up in the dark in pairs for however many nights it was?
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Albertus: What would you do, locked up in the dark in pairs for however many nights it was?
Brush up on my Bible studies? ![[Angel]](graemlins/angel.gif)
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Ah, but it hadn't been written yet then!
Mind you, I suppose they could have got sewing and made some leisurewear. Then they could have come out in onesies.
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What rhymes with "onesies"?
The animals they came out in onesies, in onesies, onesies.
Noah, his wife, and all of their sonsies, sonsies?
My favourite rhyme is twosies / kangaroosies.
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My favourite rhyme is twosies / kangaroosies.
It's the syncopated rest before delivering the last word of the couplet that completes the effect - allowing a listener just enough time to wonder what the rhyme could possibly be. It's a work of art.
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Originally posted by North East Quine:
What rhymes with "onesies"?
The animals they came out in onesies, in onesies, onesies.
Noah, his wife, and all of their sonsies, sonsies?
My favourite rhyme is twosies / kangaroosies.
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Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
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Originally posted by Helen-Eva:
I'd almost always use "sod" as a euphemism for "bugger" and I'd happily say the first in the office but not the second.
Here is, apparently, the BBC's list of rude words, of somewhat recent vintage. There's some difficulty with the list, of course - "God" and "Jesus" can be swearing or not depending on context, as can several other words on the list.
But for our purposes it ranks "bugger" as very mildly ruder than "sodding".
Hurrah I have internalised the BBC!
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L'organist
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Not to do with music but 'rude' words:
Marks & Spencer has banned the use of Jesus and Christ - although you can use Prophet and Jihad...
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In what context might you use those words at M&S anyway? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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L'organist
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Apparently they have a floristry service which delivers (maybe they're part of Interflora?) and someone tried to send flowers to a widow "From all your friends at Christ Church" - and M&S contacted because the online ordering couldn't cope with the 'C' word and the real-person operator wouldn't agree to its use either.
The other two words - I'm assuming someone tried to input them using the online ordering and wasn't stopped??
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Presumably someone operating without much care and attention listed some curse words and "Jesus Christ" was one of them along with "Fuck" and "Shit". I've not heard Jihad or Mohammed used in the same way.
(I guess that people like Jesus Alemany are not getting flowers sent from M&S)
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It's not quite a horrible hymn, but the thread I remember seeing a while ago on changes to the words of old hymns isn't immediately visible.
Verse 3 of All my hope on God is founded begins:
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God's great goodness aye endureth,
deep his wisdom, passing thought:
splendour, light and life attend him,
beauty springeth out of naught.
In our modern version it has become:
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God’s great goodness lasts for ever,
deep his wisdom, passing thought;
splendour, light and life attend him,
beauty springing out of naught.
Now I'm all for inclusive language, and can often manage it on the spot. If I know that hymns have been inclusified I know when to watch out for it. But the rest of the "modernisation"? What rule says we get rid of "springeth" and "endureth" but keep "naught"?
It means I have to have my head in my hymn book rather than singing up and out as I would do if I could continue to sing from memory.
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