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Thread: Yet more crappy choruses, wonky worship-songs and horrible hymns
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Jengie jon
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Luvanddaisies
As a Scot you should be aware that the Elder who led the singing used to be chosen by seniority in the Eldership board not by musical talent.
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Scots lass
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Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
Luvanddaisies
As a Scot you should be aware that the Elder who led the singing used to be chosen by seniority in the Eldership board not by musical talent.
Jengie
Not in the Free Church of Scotland he wasn't! I was FC from the 80s til less than a decade ago and it was always someone who could sing - Elder, Deacon or sometimes neither.
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luvanddaisies
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Nor in any scottish church I've heard of either.
Anyway, musical ability has no bearing on the weird "no laments" thing.
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Belle Ringer
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Originally posted by Gill H:
Belle Ringer, thank you (soooo much) for reminding me of The Orgasm Song.
Yes, Lord, yes, Lord, yes, yes, Lord ...!
LOL, now I'm going to have a huge grin (and tears from trying not to laugh) when I sing it. Thanks!
Who leads music? Whoever the "leadership" thinks can be talked into doing it (free). Many a church has a half deaf little old lady playing piano poorly because she's the only pianist in the congregation.
My dear leader (nice guy, really!) was on a "worship team" some time in the past and so he probably was the logical person to ask to get a group started. It's work to find people, choose music, put up with complaints from the congregation, figure out the unfamiliar-to-this-church license system etc. So I'm keeping my mouth shut in church on this subject, in honor of his work.
Yes Lord Yes yes yes oh yes orgasm song, I LOVE it! See, this music can be fun!
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Louise
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A friendly reminder to people that this thread is for posting truly terrible specimens of hymns and praise songs etc. Complaints in detail about your church/church leadership/choir or worship leaders don't belong here. Posters can seek support in All Saints for personal problems with their church.
thanks!
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L'organist
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Point taken:
Nominate Thank you, Lord, for this new day
repetitive, mindless - and what's with the "Right where we are"???
And played on a trad organ it sounds more suitable to a fairground. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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Jemima the 9th
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Originally posted by Belle Ringer:
I can only imagine (I cannot get the rhythm!),
Belle Ringer, if you haven't done so already, I find youtube very helpful for working out rhythms to this sort of song. Because they're recorded from events, by the time they get transcribed, what gets writ on the sheet music is very difficult to follow if you haven't heard it.
[Incidentally, another reason they're not good for congregations.]
There's another reason it's difficult to get the rhythm for this, and that's because it's sub-Whitney Houston tuneless, rhythm-less warbling of the very worst sort. If we're going to go for something sounding like Whitters, please could it be I Wanna Dance with Somebody.
And the imagery is rubbish. And it's all so pointless. It's probably a lovely thing, in private prayer, to wonder what meeting Jesus would be like, but in a congregational song?
"Surrounded by your glory,
What will my heart feel?
Will we go to the chip shop?
Will you buy me jellied eels?" is about as useful.
And another one.
Mighty to save http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-08YZF87OBQ
for so, so many reasons.
1. Vacuous lyrics: "Saviour, my God is mighty to save". (Whom? From what?)
"I give my life to follow everything I believe in". Right-o.
2. They try to be Coldplay at the end.
3. It's also a great example of the X factor/boy band stuff mentioned on the previous page. It reminds me a little bit of James Arthur's Impossible. I think they're both missing a similar tune.
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L'organist
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Jemima the 9th
Thank you. ![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif)
Particularly enjoyed the bit where they're singing "Now I surrender" and the camera pans to a chunk of audience wth their hands in the air ![[Snigger]](graemlins/snigger.gif)
Anyone else think the lead (male) singer looked like a younger Rory Bremner?
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Belle Ringer
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Originally posted by Jemima the 9th:
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Originally posted by Belle Ringer:
I can only imagine (I cannot get the rhythm!),
it's sub-Whitney Houston tuneless, rhythm-less warbling of the very worst sort.
And the imagery is rubbish. And it's all so pointless. It's probably a lovely thing, in private prayer, to wonder what meeting Jesus would be like, but in a congregational song?
"Surrounded by your glory,
What will my heart feel?
Will we go to the chip shop?
Will you buy me jellied eels?" is about as useful.
LOL, rhythm-less warbling, jellied eels, I love this thread!
I think you've pointed to one of the things that makes an otherwise tolerable song crappy - private devotion moved to corporate worship environment.
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Albertus
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I like the idea of a worship song about jellied eels. Why try to be like Coldplay when you could be like Chas & Dave?
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Jemima the 9th
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I shall accept that as a challenge. ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
I did get bored in church once and rewrite words to "All I once held dear" to describe a long marriage beset by disagreement over biscuits.
"There was once a man who loved Jaffa Cakes
But his wife preferred a custard cream".
And so on.
The thing is, the thing is (and thank you, L'Organist) that many people like these types of songs. Many people in my church love 'em. I know this because they tell my friend the worship leader. People seem to find them engaging and moving. But not me. Perhaps I am just a cold, dead soul... ![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif)
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pererin
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*Resists quoting from the Preface of the English Hymnal*
In any event, it's a new miasma. Had "Jesus is the Name we Honour" inflicted on me on Sunday night. That one should have gone and died years ago. Especially with the irritating "the person leaving the tedious reality TV show is..." pauses in the ultra-cheesy chorus.
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Belle Ringer
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Does crappy style (regardless of the song) count for this thread? I hate when a "praise band" does a song with a fade out at the end - repeating the last line over and over slowly fading way - that is commercial studio for radio performance style, not congregational singing style!
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Baptist Trainfan
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Originally posted by Belle Ringer:
I think you've pointed to one of the things that makes an otherwise tolerable song crappy - private devotion moved to corporate worship environment.
But that would be true of many "traditional" hymns too.
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would love to belong
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Didn't realise that music produced such venom amongst Christians.
Obviously the music style is a matter of personal taste.
Words, some are better than others, whether it's a modern worship song or a more traditional hymn.
Maybe we should stick to metrical psalms.
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SvitlanaV2
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
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Originally posted by Belle Ringer:
I think you've pointed to one of the things that makes an otherwise tolerable song crappy - private devotion moved to corporate worship environment.
But that would be true of many "traditional" hymns too.
I agree. I've often thought that certain hymns tend to make assumptions about the singer that can't always be true. For example, 'I Surrender All' supposes that the singer is in a state of complete submission to God. But how many of us have really reached that state? Maybe it's an aspirational hymn, but I still feel a slightly uncomfortable singing it. I don't think it's sung much these days, perhaps for this very reason.
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Jonah the Whale
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would love to belong:
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Maybe we should stick to metrical psalms
You seem to assume that people who don't like metrical psalms would be less venomous. Perhaps you're right.
[ 03. September 2013, 12:48: Message edited by: Jonah the Whale ]
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would love to belong
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Originally posted by Jonah the Whale:
would love to belong:
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Maybe we should stick to metrical psalms
You seem to assume that people who don't like metrical psalms would be less venomous. Perhaps you're right.
Well, easier to take issue with Graham Kendrick's words than with God's Word.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Originally posted by would love to belong:
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Originally posted by Jonah the Whale:
would love to belong:
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Maybe we should stick to metrical psalms
You seem to assume that people who don't like metrical psalms would be less venomous. Perhaps you're right.
Well, easier to take issue with Graham Kendrick's words than with God's Word.
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would love to belong
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Fairly new, yes.
Either I'm being welcomed or am about to undergo a beating up by Karl, bad boy of the Upper Fifth behind the bicycle shed.
Not sure which but bracing myself for a hammering.
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Albertus
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He wouldn't beat you up behind the bikesheds. More likely to give you a fag if you meet him there.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Heh. I was just pointing out that here on the Ship it's unlikely that, on a debating thread (Louise will be marching us of to her office for a hiding if she catches us doing that on this thread), you'd get away with the assumption that anything in the Bible, Psalms or elsewhere, is God's Word, or that it can't be argued with whatever. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
There are of course two reasons for meeting behind the bikesheds, but I never smoked and wasn't lucky enough for the other one. Throughout my teenage years and indeed longer I was so unlucky in that [censored censored censored]
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would love to belong
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
Heh. I was just pointing out that here on the Ship it's unlikely that, on a debating thread (Louise will be marching us of to her office for a hiding if she catches us doing that on this thread), you'd get away with the assumption that anything in the Bible, Psalms or elsewhere, is God's Word, or that it can't be argued with whatever.
There are of course two reasons for meeting behind the bikesheds, but I never smoked and wasn't lucky enough for the other one. Throughout my teenage years and indeed longer I was so unlucky in that [censored censored censored]
Apologies Karl, Louise and other readers.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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I don't think there's much to apologise about. I've been grinning since about six posts back.
[sings]
This is yet another boring Kendrick song
This is yet another boring Kendrick song
This is yet another boring Kendrick song
And it goes on and on and on
And on and on!
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Albertus
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Nice one but you can tell it isn't real Kendrick- it rhymes.
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Snags
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Originally posted by would love to belong:
Didn't realise that music produced such venom amongst Christians.
![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif)
Presumably you've not spent a lot of time around Christians then ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
"Worship" (sic) is one of the few guaranteed church split/punch up/divisive topics in pretty much any church of more than one person, in my experience.
Having spent too much of my life listening to such and fighting against it, I tend to read but not contribute to Crappy Choruses ... ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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would love to belong
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Originally posted by Snags:
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Originally posted by would love to belong:
Didn't realise that music produced such venom amongst Christians.
Presumably you've not spent a lot of time around Christians then
"Worship" (sic) is one of the few guaranteed church split/punch up/divisive topics in pretty much any church of more than one person, in my experience.
Having spent too much of my life listening to such and fighting against it, I tend to read but not contribute to Crappy Choruses ...
It all seems a bit silly to me. But obviously it matters to some.
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Gracious rebel
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Originally posted by pererin:
Had "Jesus is the Name we Honour" inflicted on me on Sunday night. That one should have gone and died years ago. Especially with the irritating "the person leaving the tedious reality TV show is..." pauses in the ultra-cheesy chorus.
I loved your clever description! (And I actually LIKE that song.)
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L'organist
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Hadn't come across JitNwH before
horrible.
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Jemima the 9th
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No, it's fab! Especially when you try to play it to sound like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUyu5prWjTE
I do confess to venom for a few songs, but mostly I think in my case it's more childish petulance for being asked to sing along with* music that I don't like. And words I'm not entirely sure about. Couple that to the fact that periodically I am asked to play the piano for services....
*Yes, I know, worship is more than singing along with something.
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Gill H
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We are doing a lot of songs about 'waiting for You' at the moment.
Now, I could investigate whether that is good theology (and might start a thread) - but my main problem is that I see a room full of people, eyes closed, arms raised, passionately singing 'We're waiting for You' - and I can't help picturing Jesus sat over in the corner, waving and shouting 'I'm over here! Been here ages, where were you?'
Either that, or a stern headteacher saying 'Come on, we're all waiting for you...'
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Scots lass
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That just reminds me of the time there was a typo in the service sheet, so the writer's name was on the wrong line. Which meant we read:
So I'll wait, I'll wait, I'll wait for you, Nathan
I was with luvanddaisies and we laughed through the last line instead of singing, un-noticed by most of the congregation who didn't appear to have spotted it.
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L'organist
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I love typos: have fond memories of nearly choking when I saw at the end of My God, how wonderful thou art the matchless
Fther of Jesus, love's reward,
What rapture will it be
Prostate before thy throne to lie ...
Another nomination for banality: Jesus took a piece of bread (HON 281). Yup, Michael Forster showing he has a future in composing rhyming couplets for cheap birthday cards.
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Albertus
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You mean that's not already his day job?
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Belle Ringer
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Originally posted by Gill H:
We are doing a lot of songs about 'waiting for You' at the moment.
Shouldn't that be Advent? :-)
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i'm going to get technical here. I suppose most of you know "I, the Lord of sea and sky" which I occasionally trot out as a sop to anyone who might accuse me of being a boring old C of E fart. Mostly we use Hymns Old and New, and I've marked in my copy all the consecutive fifths and octaves in that song/hymn. There are LOADS of them and this bugs me. I know I know it shouldn't matter, but it does.
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Originally posted by Quinquireme:
i'm going to get technical here. I suppose most of you know "I, the Lord of sea and sky" which I occasionally trot out as a sop to anyone who might accuse me of being a boring old C of E fart. Mostly we use Hymns Old and New, and I've marked in my copy all the consecutive fifths and octaves in that song/hymn. There are LOADS of them and this bugs me. I know I know it shouldn't matter, but it does.
So reharmonize it.
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Albertus
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Are they all there in other books? After all, HO&N does have a reputation for sodding about with music as well as with words.
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L'organist
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I, the Lord of Sea and Sky (here I am, Lord!) is known among some musicians as the Bi-Polar hymn, since it moves from speaking as the voice of God to the voice of one of the flock.
Frankly, that doesn't bother me beyond point: we don't sing it at my place because its crap.
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S. Bacchus
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And also ungrammatical - me/I confused.
No it doesn't. Unless I'm being really thick. As far as I can see, it uses the nominative ('I') in all the right places, including the rather formal predicate nominative ('is it I, Lord?'). It only uses 'me' once, again correctly: 'I will go, Lord, if You lead me' (the pedantic complaint against that sentence would be that it probably should be 'if you should lead me', but that's not observed universally in speech, and clearly wouldn't work metrically).
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Originally posted by leo:
I've never heard of a predicate nominative.
It sounds right to say 'is it me?'
But I notice that the KJV's version of the last Supper has 'Lord, is it I?' (26:22)
But you've presumably heard somebody confirm his or her identify on the telephone by saying 'this is he' or ' this is she' as applicable? It's a fairly formal way of speaking, so much so that I would associate it with business telephone manners, but it's not archaic yet.
And surely no one would ever say 'here am me'? As you point out, the AV translates Matt. 26.22 as 'is it I?'. So does the RSV. The NRSV has 'surely not I, Lord', which is a bit less formal sounding but is the same idea, in that it would be parsed 'surely [it is not] I'.
English allows both the constructions 'are you looking for me, Lord?' and 'is it I for whom you are looking, Lord?'. The latter is a bit stilted, but it's not incorrect and does have a different emphasis.
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SvitlanaV2
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Originally posted by L'organist:
I, the Lord of Sea and Sky (here I am, Lord!) is known among some musicians as the Bi-Polar hymn, since it moves from speaking as the voice of God to the voice of one of the flock.
Frankly, that doesn't bother me beyond point: we don't sing it at my place because its crap.
I quite like it. But it's a hymn that lacks a certain versatility. I prefer hymns that focus on God rather than on our response to God, because each member of the 'flock' is likely to have a different response.
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Originally posted by Gill H:
Belle Ringer, thank you (soooo much) for reminding me of The Orgasm Song.
Yes, Lord, yes, Lord, yes, yes, Lord ...!
Is that in response to He Brought Me To His Banqueting Table?
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Originally posted by Quinquireme:
i'm going to get technical here. I suppose most of you know "I, the Lord of sea and sky" which I occasionally trot out as a sop to anyone who might accuse me of being a boring old C of E fart. Mostly we use Hymns Old and New, and I've marked in my copy all the consecutive fifths and octaves in that song/hymn. There are LOADS of them and this bugs me. I know I know it shouldn't matter, but it does.
Don't listen to anything pre baroque then.
Rules of harmony were written in the 17th Century to distinguish modern music from the outdated stuff.
But there's always room for rule breaking, modern popular music is full of it. The guitar riff from Smoke on the Water of the rhythm guitar part from Derek and the Dominoes Layla would not sound as good without parallel 4ths or 5ths respectively.
Parallel 4ths, 5ths and octaves were said to be bad harmony in the 17th Century because they made the music sound out of date. Ironically they can now make a song sound modern. Things come around.
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Originally posted by SvitlanaV2:
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Originally posted by L'organist:
I, the Lord of Sea and Sky (here I am, Lord!) is known among some musicians as the Bi-Polar hymn, since it moves from speaking as the voice of God to the voice of one of the flock.
Frankly, that doesn't bother me beyond point: we don't sing it at my place because its crap.
I quite like it. But it's a hymn that lacks a certain versatility. I prefer hymns that focus on God rather than on our response to God, because each member of the 'flock' is likely to have a different response.
Indeed - I like the alternative 'Someone else, Lord, It is I lord, hiding under me bed...send someone else instead'
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Gill H
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I can claim authorship of that little parody!
Someone else, Lord
Please not me, Lord
I am hiding underneath my bed
I won't go, Lord
I'm too scared, Lord
Won't you please send someone else instead?
Personally I don't mind the two voices in the hymn. The chorus is very obviously meant to be our response. (This has absolutely nothing to do with bipolar disorder though, I suspect the nickname should really refer to DID, but I digress!)
It is certainly less confusing than the Cat Stevens song 'Father to Son' where it took me years to figure out there were two characters speaking.
For songs that really confuse the issue of address, try 'Come, now is the time to worship' in which 'you' are encouraged to come as you are before your God - and then sing 'One day every tongue will comfess you are God'. I am? Wow!
Or 'Spirit break out':
Our Father, all of heaven roars your name
Sing louder, let this place erupt with praise...
Are we asking God to sing louder?
Confused...!
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SvitlanaV2
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Has anyone ever had a problem with 'Amazing Grace'? I once read of a church that removed the word 'wretch' because they didn't approve of it. (I think it was changed to 'child').
Moreover, some might say that 'I once was lost but now am found' and references to 'the hour I first believed' make little sense for someone who's never been through a 'lost' and 'found' spiritual experience but who nevertheless considers themselves and/or is considered by the church to be a Christian.
The history behind the song is moving, if you're willing to forgive the fact that its writer John Newton had been a slave trader. Some people aren't.
And, finally, to judge from Google, quite a few people find it depressing. Probably because it's used a lot at funerals. (Well, American ones, anyway. It is used much at British funerals in your experience?)
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Belle Ringer
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Originally posted by balaam:
Rules of harmony were written in the 17th Century to distinguish modern music from the outdated stuff...
Parallel 4ths, 5ths and octaves were said to be bad harmony in the 17th Century because they made the music sound out of date. Ironically they can now make a song sound modern. Things come around.
I took an free on-line guitar course from Berklee School of Music and was surprised that some of the chords we were suppose to learn are just 3 notes - octave with a fifth in the middle. They are called "power chords." Why a chord using just 3 strings and missing the third is a power chord, I don't know, but apparently it's popular in some modern kinds of music. Maybe you are suppose to distort the sound?
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