homepage
  roll on christmas  
click here to find out more about ship of fools click here to sign up for the ship of fools newsletter click here to support ship of fools
community the mystery worshipper gadgets for god caption competition foolishness features ship stuff
discussion boards live chat cafe avatars frequently-asked questions the ten commandments gallery private boards register for the boards
 
Ship of Fools


Post new thread  Post a reply
My profile login | Register | Directory | Search | FAQs | Board home
   - Printer-friendly view Next oldest thread   Next newest thread
» Ship of Fools   » Special interest discussion   » Dead Horses   » Loving + 50

 - Email this page to a friend or enemy.    
Source: (consider it) Thread: Loving + 50
Crœsos
Shipmate
# 238

 - Posted      Profile for Crœsos     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Today is the fiftieth anniversary of the Loving v. Virginia decision by the U.S. Supreme Court, which was the last time a U.S. Court "redefined marriage" (to borrow a phrase) by ruling that bans on inter-racial marriage were unconstitutional. My question is how long will it be until white American Protestants start pretending to have supported gay rights all along the way they have with the Civil Rights movement?

The typical way this happened was to erase the vast majority of pro-Segregation Christians (mostly from Protestant denominations) while pretending that people like Martin Luther King, Jr. were typical among the Christians of the day (instead of being the most reviled public figure in America at the time of his assassination).

How long does this process take? Remember that it was only in 2003 that the criminalization of homosexuality was ruled unconstitutional. That dispute made U.S. Senator Rick Santorum into an internet neologism. Given that only fourteen years ago a sitting U.S. Senator was willing to publicly come out in favor of jail time for homosexuals I'd think it would take a while, but the American public seems willing to have amnesia on issues like this.

What do you folks think? How long before American Christians start taking credit (again) for something they opposed? Given the severity of their opposition I'd like to put the date somewhere out in the 2040s, but there are already enough claiming to have always supported legal rights for homosexuals they may be able to move it up a bit.

--------------------
Humani nil a me alienum puto

Posts: 10443 | From: Sardis, Lydia | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
Net Spinster
Shipmate
# 16058

 - Posted      Profile for Net Spinster   Email Net Spinster   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
I think it would take the current teens to reach the ranks of power within the Protestant churches so I would say 2040 is still on. Note all the largest denominations are still officially against it (Southern Baptists, United Methodists, American Baptists, Church of Christ).

I'll note one big difference between interracial and same sex marriages is that the Catholic church had, as far as I know, never been against the former doctrinally (individual bishops, etc. a different matter) though it had racially discriminated (some southern dioceses were very late in getting their first non-white priests).

--------------------
spinner of webs

Posts: 1083 | From: San Francisco Bay area | Registered: Dec 2010  |  IP: Logged
Aijalon
Shipmate
# 18777

 - Posted      Profile for Aijalon   Email Aijalon   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Churches will feed the flock whatever messages they feel convenient to keep people coming in the doors. Hopefully their not two faced about it....

True, the ground is moving fast.

--------------------
God gave you free will so you could give it back.

Posts: 200 | From: Kansas City | Registered: May 2017  |  IP: Logged
Crœsos
Shipmate
# 238

 - Posted      Profile for Crœsos     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Aijalon:
True, the ground is moving fast.

Eppur si muove.

--------------------
Humani nil a me alienum puto

Posts: 10443 | From: Sardis, Lydia | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
simontoad
Ship's Amphibian
# 18096

 - Posted      Profile for simontoad   Email simontoad   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Please get out of the way if you won't lend your hand?

Racism is having a resurgence, in America as well as this country. I wonder whether some Churches and congregations will start backsliding on race as their communities try to wind back the so-called liberal reforms of the last 50 years.

--------------------
Human

Posts: 1188 | From: Romsey, Vic, AU | Registered: May 2014  |  IP: Logged
lilBuddha
Shipmate
# 14333

 - Posted      Profile for lilBuddha     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Net Spinster:
I think it would take the current teens to reach the ranks of power

I wonder if this is how it will happen. The general progress of the young is towards the doors, not the pews.

--------------------
So goodnight moon, I want the sun
If it's not here soon, I might be done
No it won't be too soon 'til I say goodnight moon

- A. N. Parsley, D. Mcvinni

Posts: 16963 | From: the round earth's imagined corners | Registered: Dec 2008  |  IP: Logged
Brenda Clough
Shipmate
# 18061

 - Posted      Profile for Brenda Clough   Author's homepage   Email Brenda Clough   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Crœsos:

Given that only fourteen years ago a sitting U.S. Senator was willing to publicly come out in favor of jail time for homosexuals I'd think it would take a while, but the American public seems willing to have amnesia on issues like this.

If the contemptible Roy Moore wins the election in Alabama, we will have yet again a Senator who favors jail time for homosexuals. We have not progressed at all.

--------------------
Science fiction and fantasy writer with a Patreon page

Posts: 5676 | From: Washington DC | Registered: Mar 2014  |  IP: Logged
lilBuddha
Shipmate
# 14333

 - Posted      Profile for lilBuddha     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
If the contemptible Roy Moore wins the election in Alabama, we will have yet again a Senator who favors jail time for homosexuals. We have not progressed at all.

The problem is that there is progress, but it is in the demographic less likely to vote.

[ 01. October 2017, 16:38: Message edited by: lilBuddha ]

--------------------
So goodnight moon, I want the sun
If it's not here soon, I might be done
No it won't be too soon 'til I say goodnight moon

- A. N. Parsley, D. Mcvinni

Posts: 16963 | From: the round earth's imagined corners | Registered: Dec 2008  |  IP: Logged
Doublethink.
Ship's Foolwise Unperson
# 1984

 - Posted      Profile for Doublethink.   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
I think that may change, nobody believed Jeremy Corbyn could get the youth out to vote in the UK - but he did and it made a significant difference. You may find this generation more engaged than you expect.

--------------------
All political thinking for years past has been vitiated in the same way. People can foresee the future only when it coincides with their own wishes, and the most grossly obvious facts can be ignored when they are unwelcome. George Orwell

Posts: 19188 | From: Erehwon | Registered: Aug 2005  |  IP: Logged
Brenda Clough
Shipmate
# 18061

 - Posted      Profile for Brenda Clough   Author's homepage   Email Brenda Clough   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
This link begins with the footage of an outrageous lie. But hang on so that you can see
Crooked Don put it to the lie. This time by suggesting that employers fire their gay employees.

[ 01. October 2017, 17:31: Message edited by: Brenda Clough ]

--------------------
Science fiction and fantasy writer with a Patreon page

Posts: 5676 | From: Washington DC | Registered: Mar 2014  |  IP: Logged


 
Post new thread  Post a reply Close thread   Feature thread   Move thread   Delete thread Next oldest thread   Next newest thread
 - Printer-friendly view
Go to:

Contact us | Ship of Fools | Privacy statement

© Ship of Fools 2016

Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classicTM 6.5.0

 
Check out Reform magazine
sip of fools mugs from your favourite nautical website
 
  ship of fools