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Gee D
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I should add that I don't have that long history with St Alban's as you do, but we have some friends there now. I do have a much closer knowledge of Mosman.

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I understand that those left, including one who has been a synod representative for many years, are doing well in difficult circumstances.

That last sentence would read better by changing "left" to "remain". Ambiguous otherwise.

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The previous rector at St Alban's, Epping felt that the Sydney diocese was unhappy about the churchmanship at that church and had been putting pressure on generally for a number of years.

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I think that was true of all the non-Sydney Anglican parishes under the Jensens, but things were starting to look better. Certainly the previous rector had set a very high standard.

I don't know quite what happened at Epping in the search for a new rector. Certainly ++Glenn has his policy of Moore College standard NT Greek as a requirement. While he will allow that level to be achieved within 2 years from appointment, I can imagine many possible candidates would be insulted by the suggestion that they undertake further formal education. That may have been the case. Many clergy would also feel some concerns about moving into Sydney with not a large number of congenial colleagues around. Then the usual family matters discouraging a move would creep in.

No matter what, the time to recommend an appointment to the Abp lapsed and ++Glenn appointed his friend. The new rector was previously a regional bishop in Tasmania but wanted to return to Sydney. I don't know much about that.

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Ah, is that where the ex Tasmanian assistant bishop went! He just disappeared after being given his marching orders.

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Thanks bib, I'll pass that on - very much along the same lines as the comments made to us. Any understanding why?

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There were complaints from many people within the church and without, about treatment of individuals, financial issues and decisions made without proper approval. I'm not willing to add any more to this apart from the fact that he was asked to leave.

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Thank you bib - I understand that you are limited in what you can say, but can you say who told him to go? Our Epping friends are none too happy with what ++Glenn did.

We hope that your new rector is settling in well with you.

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This has not been my church for some time as they have become very "low" liturgically and so for some years now I am part of an Anglo-Catholic parish. In relation to your query, I am given to understand that the wardens pushed the issue, but this is just hearsay. Sorry, I can't help further.

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I did not think you'd be going there any more but rather to Holy Trinity. Thanks for that, I'll pass it on.

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Just out of curiosity, what's the percentage of active churchgoers in the Sydney Diocese? Is their conservatism reflective of a general local/regional conservatism, or are they just dead- enders making a last stand in the midst of a population that doesn't take them seriously?

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Apart from the Catholic Church and those directed towards particular ethnic communities, I'd say that general attendance rates were around 5%, slightly higher in the State capitals than elsewhere. Anglican attendance in Sydney is about the same as in other capitals.

Sydney started out with eighteenth century Anglicanism, but in the 1840s there was a move upwards. Then 2 of the priests helping that move went to Rome and that was the end of that.. It remained with traditional low-church Anglicanism until the rise of the Moore College clique in the 1980s and 1990s, and then veered into Puritanism. Not monochrome of course, but not as diverse as Melbourne. Perhaps the best way to think of it is that Sydney is the reverse of Brisbane, where Anglo-Catholicism has had the dominant role.

Does that address the sort of things you were getting at?

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Apart from the Catholic Church and those directed towards particular ethnic communities, I'd say that general attendance rates were around 5%, slightly higher in the State capitals than elsewhere. Anglican attendance in Sydney is about the same as in other capitals. The latest census figures (last year) show a dramatic drop in the numbers professing any religious beliefs. Sydney does not differ from other capitals in this. And Sydney is not a politically conservative area, indeed Labor is the natural party for the city as a whole and the State.

Sydney started out with eighteenth century Anglicanism, but in the 1840s there was a move upwards. Then 2 of the priests helping that move went to Rome and that was the end of that.. It remained with traditional low-church Anglicanism until the rise of the Moore College clique in the 1980s and 1990s, and then veered into Puritanism. Not monochrome of course, but not as diverse as Melbourne. Perhaps the best way to think of it is that Sydney is the reverse of Brisbane, where Anglo-Catholicism has had the dominant role.

Does that address the sort of things you were getting at?

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Apart from the Catholic Church and those directed towards particular ethnic communities, I'd say that general attendance rates were around 5%, slightly higher in the State capitals than elsewhere. Anglican attendance in Sydney is about the same as in other capitals.

Source?

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Last years census for general figures.

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The census is indicative of affiliation, not attendance.
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You are right, I should have referred to the National Church Life Survey.

And to clarify - the 5% figure refers not to the population at large, but to that (rapidly dwindling) section which claims any religious affiliation.

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No worries - thank you for clarifying.

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