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Rosa Winkel
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Seeing as the old thread appears to have gone the way of Oblivion (and I think the Anniversary episode is coming up), here's the news that some videos of Patrick Troughton-era Doctor Who have been found in Nigeria, including that of "The web of fear".
Article in Guardian
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Amazing! I remember the yeti in the underground story from when it was first shown. It really freaked me out. The nearest impact I can compare it to is the "don't blink" angels - which was REALLY freaky.
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I see the DVDs are being rushed through production and will be out around the time of the 50th birthday, with episode 3 of The Web of Fear as a reconstruction featuring audio and still screenshots.
This is extraordinary news. If I had to make a list of Troughton stories I'd want to see recovered, I think only The Power of the Daleks would come higher on the list than these two. There are those that hail Enemy of the World as a particular treasure, because it features Troughton playing two very different roles. He really was an exceptional and subtle actor.
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If I had to make a list of Troughton stories I'd want to see recovered, I think only The Power of the Daleks would come higher on the list than these two.
I might have wished for The Macra Terror and/or Evil of the Daleks in addition to The Power. But yes, those two will do.
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Delighted, but have to wait for the DVDs to come out as iTunes in Ireland is an inferior product that doesn't do TV programmes. But hey I could buy and download the Peter Cushing "Dr. Who and the Daleks" movie ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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I can't cope with downloading and stuff (sad but true) so I've just pre-ordered the DVDs. Great news ![[Smile]](smile.gif) !
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Yes, Dafyd, The Macra Terror is an intriguing one. When late '60s tv was good, it was very very good. I'd really like to see it. And of course, Fury from the Deep, notoriously scary.
The BBC have put trailers for the new discoveries on youtube:
The Enemy of the World
The Web of Fear
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Oh. My. God.
Nine episodes of Troughton in one hit? NINE????
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Oscar the Grouch
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I have a strange compulsion to drop everything, fly to Africa and spend the next goodness knows how long travelling around from TV station to TV station, looking in dark corners and seeing how many more missing gems there are to be found....
Ship expedition, anyone?
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This is wonderful, but I was really hoping for some more Hartnell. The story I most want to be found is The Myth Makers, where there are no episodes surviving - as far as we know.....
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I have a strange compulsion to drop everything, fly to Africa and spend the next goodness knows how long travelling around from TV station to TV station, looking in dark corners and seeing how many more missing gems there are to be found....
Ship expedition, anyone?
There is actually a website where someone compiled all the known information about each copy of a serial that the BBC sent overseas, including the ones that went from country to country in Africa. Truly staggering stuff, and it gives you somewhere to pick up where the trail led circa early 1970s.
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Originally posted by Oscar the Grouch:
I have a strange compulsion to drop everything, fly to Africa and spend the next goodness knows how long travelling around from TV station to TV station, looking in dark corners and seeing how many more missing gems there are to be found....
Ship expedition, anyone?
If you did, you might find yourelf pitted against Phillip Morris, the Indiana Jones of the film world. He's the person we have to thank for this.
I was going through some of Philip Sandifer's blog, Tardis Eruditorum, for his thoughts on the two "new" stories. I've always found him fascinating, and mostly agree with his assessments. His entries on these two back in 2011 were, of course, based on reconstructions. You can read them here (Enemy) and here (Web). He's now seen the rediscovered and restored episodes. The short version of what he thinks of them is that Enemy is the classic he believed it to be, and then some (largely thanks to Troughton); and Web perhaps isn't quite the turkey he thought it was.
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The BBC have put trailers for the new discoveries on youtube:
The Enemy of the World
The Web of Fear
I didn't actually look at the trailers initially, but the crispness and clarity of Enemy of the World, especially, is astonishing. Fantastic work on the remastering.
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and Web perhaps isn't quite the turkey he thought it was.
He doesn't think it's a turkey; just that he doesn't think it's one of the towering heights of Doctor Who and other people, whom he wants to argue with, do.
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Hey. I haven't seen it since it was first shown on the Beeb. I can't comment on whether it was a "classic" or not. All I can say is that both my wife and I (independently) remember it as something that scared the shit out of us at the time. At the end of the day - THAT's what Dr Who should do. If more children were scared shitless on a regular basis, this country would be a far better place. (BTW - that's not my opinion - it's my daughter's firmly held and frequently articulated belief)
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Okay, "turkey" is too strong (although I'm sure I remember Sandifer using the word somewhere). Interestingly, he mentions the theory of how some lost stories gained their classic status: either through the novelisations, or through nightmares. It seems to be a popular opinion that Terrance Dicks's novelisation of Web is pretty good (I don't think so: I think Dicks was much better when he was given the time and a sufficiently generous word count to indulge his imagination). But what seems to have contributed to Web's status is its nightmare factor - there are some key moments and images that are just brilliant, and haunt the imagination. Even when I watched the trailer, the scene where the foam/fungus is filling the mouth of the Underground tunnel is somehow scary. And there's the truly creepy sequence right at the beginning of episode 1 where the Yeti comes to life (accompanied by the same eerie piece of Bartok that Kubrick used in The Shining!).
I notice, by the way, that the DVD of Web will be released in February, three months after Enemy - and there's already speculation that this means they're commissioning an animated version of episode 3, rather than a reconstruction. ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
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Web also has the advantage of having the first appearance of Lethbridge-Stewart (before he is promoted to Brigadier) which is enough to make the story "classic" for some. Like, ummm, me.
An animated version of the missing episode would be great. I just finished watching The Ice Warriors with two of the 6 episodes animated.
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Sandifer has a bee in his bonnet about season 5 as a whole that pushes him into some exaggerated statements. I'm aware that this is a reaction to other people's statements about season 5 (how wonderful it is and how great 'bases under siege' are) - and in fact Sandifer himself sometimes discusses how fandom worked as it developed in the 1980s and no-one could actually see episodes for themselves - but I still think some views of season 5 on both sides are caricatures. Half of the claimed 'bases under siege' either don't involve a 'base' or don't involve a 'siege'.
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...how some lost stories gained their classic status: either through the novelisations, or through nightmares.
Works for me.
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Did anyone see the speculation going around on Facebook that the pictures of John Hurt in the TARDIS showed him wearing the Ninth Doctor's jacket over the Eighth Doctor's suit?
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Actually now that I see the photos more closely that doesn't even seem like speculation or a theory, that pretty much seems to be just what he's wearing.
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A link to the Guardian from that page brought up this which I found interesting. If the episode is already written (anyone know if they have filmed yet?) that is some scary stuff from Mark Gatiss. I mean Web of Fear would not have been found when it was written?
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Presumably he saw it first time round - is he old enough? Or else read the book. Or else is being economical with the actuality and is really referencing a bona fide Holmes story involving the Underground.
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The other day Mr Marten and I watched 'The Aztecs' (Hartnell) which I'd recorded from Watch channel (currently showing a season of Who episodes and related interviews etc.). I don't recall seeing it first time round, although we did used to view every week, but what struck me were:
a) Barbara's spiritedness and strength of character
b) the Doctor's inventiveness and anger
c) the fact that a female character immediately fell in love with the Doctor (so - not a new feature of the stories ![[Biased]](wink.gif) )
d) the Doctor's insistence that they should not interfere and rewrite history
e) the ham acting of the man playing Tlotoxl, which looked like he'd seen every bad production of 'Richard III'
An interesting and thoughtful story. Anyone else wallowing in Watch's season?
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Oo, I didn't know Watch were screening old episodes. I must look out for them. The Aztecs is one of my favourite stories - obviously a bit slow by modern standards, but a brilliant script, nicely acted. I even like Tlotoxl, who really does ham it up like crazy. I think the character works because he's so obviously the opposite of everything that the High Priest (Tonila?) is - quiet, rational and dignified.
I treated myself to a DVD copy of The Tenth Planet last week. Hartnell's last story, and the Cybermen's first. I like it - it's very good in places - but I wouldn't call it great. It's a pity Hartnell isn't in it very much, because when he is, he's on excellent form, playing against Robert Beatty as General Cutler. Both characters assume they're in charge, and the scenes where they're competing to demand respect are excellent.
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I treated myself to a DVD copy of The Tenth Planet last week. Hartnell's last story, and the Cybermen's first. I like it - it's very good in places - but I wouldn't call it great. It's a pity Hartnell isn't in it very much, because when he is, he's on excellent form, playing against Robert Beatty as General Cutler. Both characters assume they're in charge, and the scenes where they're competing to demand respect are excellent.
It's just a shame about the Cybermen - Charles Hawtrey in silver bodystockings.
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Originally posted by Adeodatus:
Okay, "turkey" is too strong (although I'm sure I remember Sandifer using the word somewhere). Interestingly, he mentions the theory of how some lost stories gained their classic status: either through the novelisations, or through nightmares. It seems to be a popular opinion that Terrance Dicks's novelisation of Web is pretty good (I don't think so: I think Dicks was much better when he was given the time and a sufficiently generous word count to indulge his imagination). But what seems to have contributed to Web's status is its nightmare factor - there are some key moments and images that are just brilliant, and haunt the imagination. Even when I watched the trailer, the scene where the foam/fungus is filling the mouth of the Underground tunnel is somehow scary. And there's the truly creepy sequence right at the beginning of episode 1 where the Yeti comes to life (accompanied by the same eerie piece of Bartok that Kubrick used in The Shining!).
I notice, by the way, that the DVD of Web will be released in February, three months after Enemy - and there's already speculation that this means they're commissioning an animated version of episode 3, rather than a reconstruction.
As prepration for the 50th Anniversary edition, I've been reading the anniversary novels the BBC has bunged out. First Who books I've read since the 80's. Terrance Dicks wrote for 6 - Players - and it's excellent. As are the ones for 2 and 5. The others are okay, but I'm only up to 6 so I'll report back.
Tubbs
PS New, vintage Who. That's Christmas sorted.
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....e) the ham acting of the man playing Tlotoxl, which looked like he'd seen every bad production of 'Richard III'...
BTW don't you think that Matt Smith would be an excellent choice to play Richard in any new dramatisation following the events of this year? He's the right age, and certainly got the hair, the nose and the jaw!
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I have just been watching The Ice Warriors and The Krotons. I have watched one episode of the Krotons before - it was on television between Tom Baker and Peter Davison.
Conclusion: the Ice Warriors is by far the more competent script, the Ice Warriors are better villains, the actors are all excellent, and it's just all a little dull. The Krotons by contrast - the script's got holes a mile wide, the Krotons are actually not bad, some of the actors are just reciting their lines, and um... it's just a whole lot of fun. They should have got that scriptwriter in again - once he's got a bit of practice he might turn out quite good.
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The BBC website has a vote for the best Doctor Who villain feature at the moment. (There is obviously only one answer to that. And no, it's not the Weeping Angels.) What strikes me is the choice of villains for the shortlist. The Sontarans and the Yeti / Great Intelligence have not made the cut, unlike such new series classics as er... the Ood, those clockwork robots from Girl in the Fireplace, and the Judoon. (Certainly, the clockwork robots are brilliant one-off monsters - with the emphasis on one-off.) It could be worse I suppose - twenty-five years ago we might have got the Valeyard or the Vervoids.
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The BBC website has a vote for the best Doctor Who villain feature at the moment. (There is obviously only one answer to that. And no, it's not the Weeping Angels.) What strikes me is the choice of villains for the shortlist. The Sontarans and the Yeti / Great Intelligence have not made the cut, unlike such new series classics as er... the Ood, those clockwork robots from Girl in the Fireplace, and the Judoon. (Certainly, the clockwork robots are brilliant one-off monsters - with the emphasis on one-off.) It could be worse I suppose - twenty-five years ago we might have got the Valeyard or the Vervoids.
![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif)
I was under the impression that the Ood and the Judoon, while both being used as "Special Guest Monster" on a regular basis, were actually good guys, just hampered by unfortunate alien quirks, such as looking creepy or being Vogonifically officious in doing their duty. If they're being described as villains, that's even more wrong than the total absence of any monster that hasn't appeared in NuWho. Presumably the Sontarans don't make the cut because they're officially potato-headed comic relief now.
Still, at least they didn't include the bloody Slitheen.
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The BBC website has a vote for the best Doctor Who villain feature at the moment. (There is obviously only one answer to that. And no, it's not the Weeping Angels.)
Well, what is the "obvious" answer? I'm hesitating between three. The Daleks or the Master if we're thinking across all the decades, and the Silence were quite creepy in the new series. The Weeping Angels could have had it but lost the plot in later episodes. To win the accolade it needs to be a long-term enemy rather than a one-off.
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Originally posted by Rosa Winkel:
Photos released from 50th anniversary show.
John Hurt in the Tardis!
He seems to had a good rummage through the Doctor's old wardrobe. Is that 9's leather jacket?!
Did anyone else spot Kate Stewart, daughter of the Brigader in the background?!
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Well, what is the "obvious" answer? I'm hesitating between three. The Daleks or the Master if we're thinking across all the decades, and the Silence were quite creepy in the new series. The Weeping Angels could have had it but lost the plot in later episodes. To win the accolade it needs to be a long-term enemy rather than a one-off.
The Silence have only appeared in two stories, both in the same season. They don't count. Besides, they're obviously stand-ins because Moffat didn't want to use the Weeping Angels again.
As for the Master: evil masterminds who are villainous counterparts to the hero are not exactly unique or even original to Doctor Who. The best Master story - Survival - is partly about what a rubbish villain he is. I don't think the Weeping Angels have lost the plot, but they're still only runners-up. It has to be the daleks. How could it not be the daleks?
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Whether or not it's the Daleks depends very much on who's writing them.
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Did anyone else spot Kate Stewart, daughter of the Brigader in the background?!
I'd forgotten who Jemma Redgrave would be playing.
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and Web perhaps isn't quite the turkey he thought it was.
He doesn't think it's a turkey; just that he doesn't think it's one of the towering heights of Doctor Who and other people, whom he wants to argue with, do.
0:41 in the above youtube link:
"London, in fact the whole of England might be completely wiped out!"
"...Oh dear."
Anyone think this episode might have been lost on purpose?
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I went into Waterstone's to buy my nephew a book token, and was sidetracked by a very low down display of Dr Who books. Only 2 from the 50th set, plus Douglas Adam's Shada, but also "Summer Falls" bound with a detective story "by" Melody, and a Victorian melodrama "by" someone else, with linking parts "by" or about Amelia Williams, and what look like hints.
Didn't buy it - going to look for e-versions. Summer wasn't that marvellous.
Spent too much on the latest science collaboration by Pratchett et al, and the folk thing about Discworld as well.
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Whether or not it's the Daleks depends very much on who's writing them.
I doubt that there are any monsters that are proof against bad writers.
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I doubt that there are any monsters that are proof against bad writers.
Well, there's the Cybermen, but only if the writers don't have gold pens. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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I've gone back to watching 'classic' Doctor Who, namely the first 2 seasons of the Pertwee era.
I'm up to The Claws of Axos and it's just flat out strange. I know the creatures are supposed to be strange, but that doesn't necessarily mean the editing and dialogue should be so peculiar as well.
I did thoroughly enjoy The Mind of Evil. And I was impressed by Inferno too. Nothing like watching the world be destroyed to create a sense of doom.
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A Tom Bakerite here. The earlier Docs are brilliant but still stick to him. I am not alone as 'The Talons of Weng Chiang' and 'City of Death' regularly vie for the top spot in 'best of the classic series' polls.
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I saw the first episode of The Enemy of the World the other evening, courtesy of a friend who bought the iTunes version. It was utterly superb. In fact I think I'd say it's the best single Troughton episode I've ever seen. What surprised me most (and made me smile) is how flirty the Doctor is with Astrid! I'm really very much looking forward to the DVD release.
I assume we've all seen the trailer for The Day of the Doctor? Superb montage - it's the sort of thing I find myself wanting to watch one frame at a time!
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balaam
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I assume we've all seen the trailer for The Day of the Doctor? Superb montage - it's the sort of thing I find myself wanting to watch one frame at a time!
I've been playing the "Match the sonic screwdriver to the Doctor" game with that.
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HCH
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Is there any word as to what will be done when we lose the 12th Doctor? Presumably that's the end of the character, but one notion might be to bring back the Doctor's daughter and have her inherit the Tardis. What do you think?
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orfeo
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They'll just pull some elaborate timey-wimey trick to break the 'rules'. I mean, in recent years Doctor Who finales are absolutely FULL of that kind of stuff.
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Adeodatus
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Is there any word as to what will be done when we lose the 12th Doctor? Presumably that's the end of the character, but one notion might be to bring back the Doctor's daughter and have her inherit the Tardis. What do you think?
The "twelve regenerations" thing (by which we get thirteen Doctors, not twelve) was a plot device used by Robert Holmes in The Deadly Assassin to explain why the Master couldn't regenerate out of his decayed form. Holmes seemed to enjoy stuff like that - potentially big ideas thrown away on details of plot that could have been solved any number of ways. (Either that or - my theory - he only did it to annoy the Doctor Who Appreciation Society, who were very annoyed by The Deadly Assassin.)
We won't lose the Doctor. It'll be re-fudged somehow. After all, the Master seems to have been blessed with a new regeneration cycle. One of the most popular ideas in fandom is that among Time Lords, twelve regenerations is an imposed limit rather than a natural one - so with the Time Lords gone ....
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Thanks to a wonderful friend, who gave me Lost in Time, I am currently on a Hartnell tour, working my way through the DVDs (where they exist) and the excellent audio reconstructions (where the pictures have been lost). Those early episodes are wonderful, with a haunting quality that gets lost later on. However, the word on the time stream is that there are a lot more missing episodes due to be unveiled soon; the nine that have just come out are not the end.
In addition, I'm going to the big celebration at Excel on 24th November. Will any other Shipmates be there?
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That's my birthday! Raise a screwdriver for me, willya?
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