homepage
  roll on christmas  
click here to find out more about ship of fools click here to sign up for the ship of fools newsletter click here to support ship of fools
community the mystery worshipper gadgets for god caption competition foolishness features ship stuff
discussion boards live chat cafe avatars frequently-asked questions the ten commandments gallery private boards register for the boards
 
Ship of Fools


Post new thread  Post a reply
My profile login | | Directory | Search | FAQs | Board home
   - Printer-friendly view Next oldest thread   Next newest thread
» Ship of Fools   » Ship's Locker   » Limbo   » Heaven: The Outdoor Reared Chipolata (Page 1)

 - Email this page to a friend or enemy.  
Pages in this thread: 1  2 
 
Source: (consider it) Thread: Heaven: The Outdoor Reared Chipolata
Karl: Liberal Backslider
Shipmate
# 76

 - Posted      Profile for Karl: Liberal Backslider   Author's homepage   Email Karl: Liberal Backslider   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
I bought a pack of these from Morrisons.

I'd never thought about the factory farming, or otherwise, of chipolatas before, and therefore started looking into the whole subject of sausage husbandry.

The chipolata, or Botulus chipolaticus, is an unusual member of the sausage family, or Botulidae. Young chipolatas, I learn, keep their umbilical cord for some time after birth, which becomes thin and woody, and sticks out of the young sausage proudly. It drops off at about 2 inches. Many chipolatas are actually slaughtered at this stage; they may be eaten as they are, or the cords may be harvested for use as toothpicks.

Sausages are generally closely related to the puddings, although by a strange quirk of classification, the Irish black pudding is considered by most geneticists to be a closer relative to the Haggis than to the Common or Lancastrian black pudding.

But I digress.

Anyway, I think we owe Morrisons a vote of thanks for specialising in outdoor reared sausages; the wellbeing of live sausages on our farms is a matter of concern; I'm sure you have seen the sad degradation that takes place in the flesh of the Frankfurter {Botulus tastelessicus) when it is reared in a small tin can with nine other animals, until there is little room in the can for them to move. One can only be glad they do not retain the hard umbilical cord of the chipolata!

[ 15. November 2004, 15:10: Message edited by: The Coot ]

--------------------
Might as well ask the bloody cat.

Posts: 17938 | From: Chesterfield | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
John Donne

Renaissance Man
# 220

 - Posted      Profile for John Donne     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Sausage Liberation advises that the so-called 'Outdoor-reared chipolata' is a clever marketting ruse and hides the true suffering of chipolatas which, while 'reared outdoors' spend their lives in shallow hollows before they are harvested.

Consumers wishing to alleviate the suffering of chipolatas should look for specially marked packs of 'true free-range chipolatas' which are free to roam the woods, pecking among the undergrowth for wild herbs and spices before they are humanely slaughtered.

[ 27. September 2004, 15:11: Message edited by: Coot ]

Posts: 13667 | From: Perth, W.A. | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
Miffy

Ship's elephant
# 1438

 - Posted      Profile for Miffy   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Oh no [Frown] Not another person trying to take my title of 'Starter of the Silliest Thread since the Last Silliest Thread!' [Paranoid]

--------------------
"I don't feel like smiling." "You're English dear; fake it!" (Colin Firth "Easy Virtue")
Growing Greenpatches

Posts: 4739 | From: The Kitchen | Registered: Oct 2001  |  IP: Logged
KenWritez
Shipmate
# 3238

 - Posted      Profile for KenWritez   Email KenWritez   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Over here in the States, "chipolatas" are merely called "sausages." There are many, many types of sausage, but "sausage" is the identifying name.

Ah yes! The memories, the memories.... I remember the years I lived in Texas, and often in the rural areas I would drive by vast pastures where sausages roamed freely, sometimes laying down, other times gamboling or just feeding quietly. I remember seeing the sausage cowboys come into town occasionally, their boots smeared with fat and spices ground in under their fingernails,their skinned tanned like leather from the sun.

I travelled quite a bit while I lived there and so went through many small towns whose economy relied almost wholly on sausages: Their raising, production, distribution. Little sausage stores and sausage supply stores nestled next to or above gas stations or convenience stores.

In fact, west Texas relies almost wholly on oil and sausages for its income, the huge fields dotted with slowly nodding oil wells while herds of sausages grazed alongside.

On one memorable trip through the Panhandle, south of Plainview (aptly named, BTW; if you want to see flat and a horizon that stretches uninterrupted as far you can see in any direction, visit there), I passed sausage lot after sausage lot, tens of thousands of sausages in their corrals and pens and chutes. Their processing went on 24 hours a day, the air was filled with the dust of their passing and the smell of meat, rendering fat, and spices.

Huge, growling semi-trucks sped down the highway, either full of bawling sausages or empty and going back for another load.

The FM radio had almost nothing but sausage-related country and western music. I remember some song titles: "Mamas, Don't Let Your Babies Grow up to be Sausages," "40 Acres and a Sausage," "Lonesome Sausage Cowboy Blues," and, "I Feel Like a Sausage."

I now realize how much I miss Texas and the sausages. The noble sausage! Ah yes....

[ 27. September 2004, 15:24: Message edited by: KenWritez ]

--------------------
"The truth is you're the weak. And I'm the tyranny of evil men. But I'm tryin', Ringo. I'm tryin' real hard to be a shepherd." --Quentin Tarantino, Pulp Fiction

My blog: http://oxygenofgrace.blogspot.com

Posts: 11102 | From: Left coast of Wonderland, by the rabbit hole | Registered: Aug 2002  |  IP: Logged
ken
Ship's Roundhead
# 2460

 - Posted      Profile for ken     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
They need to be kept secure. The entire breeding program can be ruined by a single spicy chorizo.

--------------------
Ken

L’amor che move il sole e l’altre stelle.

Posts: 39579 | From: London | Registered: Mar 2002  |  IP: Logged
Miffy

Ship's elephant
# 1438

 - Posted      Profile for Miffy   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:

Anyway, I think we owe Morrisons a vote of thanks for specialising in outdoor reared sausages; the wellbeing of live sausages on our farms is a matter of concern; I'm sure you have seen the sad degradation that takes place in the flesh of the Frankfurter {Botulus tastelessicus) when it is reared in a small tin can with nine other animals, until there is little room in the can for them to move. One can only be glad they do not retain the hard umbilical cord of the chipolata!

I protest! How dare you cast asparagus at the good burghers of Alsace! [Disappointed] Have you not heard; have you not seen that most esteemed of comestibles, the Saussise D'Alsace? Here, in Strasbourg, the crossroads of Europe and land of the Eurosausage , Frankfurters roam proudly in the Parc De L'Orangerie, mingling with the storks (another symbol of freedom), pausing only to nibble from the generous bowls of saukeraut that mark the landscape. (Indeed, legend has it that the storks line their nests with this most vital component of choucroute garni ).

Another closely guarded secret is that here, in the Pavilon Josephine the Emperor once leant towards his love and breathed those immortal words: 'Not tonight, Josephine. Les saussises sont perimees.'

--------------------
"I don't feel like smiling." "You're English dear; fake it!" (Colin Firth "Easy Virtue")
Growing Greenpatches

Posts: 4739 | From: The Kitchen | Registered: Oct 2001  |  IP: Logged
KenWritez
Shipmate
# 3238

 - Posted      Profile for KenWritez   Email KenWritez   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
O, Miffster! Zut alors! Surely you mean, "Les saucissons sont faire du tapage"?

--------------------
"The truth is you're the weak. And I'm the tyranny of evil men. But I'm tryin', Ringo. I'm tryin' real hard to be a shepherd." --Quentin Tarantino, Pulp Fiction

My blog: http://oxygenofgrace.blogspot.com

Posts: 11102 | From: Left coast of Wonderland, by the rabbit hole | Registered: Aug 2002  |  IP: Logged
rosamundi

Ship's lacemaker
# 2495

 - Posted      Profile for rosamundi   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Ah, I am reminded of the happy summer days I spent in Cumbria, where the rare Herdwick sausage, hefted to the hillsides that its flock grazes upon, roams freely, its diet consisting of the herbs that grow upon those noble slopes.

And the occasional tourist - alas, fluorescent orange Gore-Tex™ is an irresistable delicacy, and the sausages have been known to stalk a fellwalker for many miles until, exhausted and afraid, the walker turns at bay...

Deborah

--------------------
Website.
Ship of Fools flickr group

Posts: 2382 | From: here or there | Registered: Mar 2002  |  IP: Logged
Karl: Liberal Backslider
Shipmate
# 76

 - Posted      Profile for Karl: Liberal Backslider   Author's homepage   Email Karl: Liberal Backslider   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Miffy:
Oh no [Frown] Not another person trying to take my title of 'Starter of the Silliest Thread since the Last Silliest Thread!' [Paranoid]

Miffy; you may think that the plight of factory reared sausages is unimportant, and even silly, but for many of us this is a matter of utmost importance.

Unless you want to be reared in a tiny shed, then inefficiently slaughtered and packed into a plastic back with seven other abused creatures, so that someone can have a cheap toad in the hole?

--------------------
Might as well ask the bloody cat.

Posts: 17938 | From: Chesterfield | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
Goodric

Shipmate
# 8001

 - Posted      Profile for Goodric   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Free range chipolatas are all very well until like many GMO's they break out into the wild. (They are GMO's are they not?) Have you not seen the devastation caused as packs of wild and hungry escaped chipolatas hunt down the Mink that escaped into the countryside following their liberation by animal rights activists?

I hear they are cross breeding with other "wildlife" goodness knows what we'll get then.

They are all over the place round here, on the pavements, in the gutters. Its a boon for anyone who wants free food but a nightmare for anyonme else. I'm a veggie so I wouldn't of course. I did tread in one the other day though - it smelt awful and made a right mess of my shoe.

[ 28. September 2004, 10:18: Message edited by: Goodric ]

--------------------
Happy Christmas Everyone You can find me here

Gone to a better place.

Posts: 7160 | From: You all know anyway | Registered: Jul 2004  |  IP: Logged
Legodude_uk

Protector of Zebras
# 5671

 - Posted      Profile for Legodude_uk   Email Legodude_uk   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Miffy:
<snip> I protest! How dare you cast asparagus at the good burghers of Alsace! <snip>

Free Range Burgers as well??? [Confused] [Confused]
And is throwing vegetables at them the only way to keep them under control?

--------------------
If a man is standing in a forest speaking but there are no women around to hear him...is he still wrong?

Posts: 2619 | From: The Home of the Saints | Registered: Mar 2004  |  IP: Logged
Karl: Liberal Backslider
Shipmate
# 76

 - Posted      Profile for Karl: Liberal Backslider   Author's homepage   Email Karl: Liberal Backslider   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Chipolatas are not GMOs. They have certainly undergone some selective breeding from the original wild form, and doubtless some GMO versions will be bred, but the majority of them are most certainly not.

And contrary to the opinion expressed above, whilst crosses are possible between chipolatas and Chorizo, the offspring are invariably infertile. Chipolatas can also be crossed with Salami, but the offspring, Pepperami, are also infertile. Pepperami rearing is a morally questionable area; the young pepperami are inserted into a narrow condom at a young age and slaughtered when they reach a particular size, after being forcefed with rusk and E numbers. Anyone who's seen free-range sausages of either parent species in life will appreciate what a benighted existence this is.

[ 28. September 2004, 12:19: Message edited by: Karl: Liberal Backslider ]

--------------------
Might as well ask the bloody cat.

Posts: 17938 | From: Chesterfield | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
Crotalus
Shipmate
# 4959

 - Posted      Profile for Crotalus   Author's homepage   Email Crotalus   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
This excellent sausage site kicks off with a splendid quote from A.P. Herbert

[Deleted the poem for copyright reasons. You posted a link to it anyway.]

[ 28. September 2004, 18:25: Message edited by: Stoo ]

Posts: 713 | From: near the knacker's yard | Registered: Sep 2003  |  IP: Logged
Poppy

Ship's dancing cat
# 2000

 - Posted      Profile for Poppy   Email Poppy   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
The chippolata has been the subject of much selective breeding and in it's current form is much faster and lighter than it's ancestor the native butcher's sausage.

The roving packs of wild native sausages are indeed Britain's unsung heros. As Goodric points out they keep the wild mink in check but far more importantly, they cull the wild cats that are constantly released into the wild by inconsiderate owners. Why is it that the 'Black cat of Bodmin' is never found? Why is it that all you see of the big cat is a paw mark? We should be falling over the things there are so many initial sightings, but no, the sausages have got them. Horray for the sausage....

--------------------
At the still point of the turning world - there the dance is...

Posts: 1406 | From: mostly on the edge | Registered: Dec 2001  |  IP: Logged
Karl: Liberal Backslider
Shipmate
# 76

 - Posted      Profile for Karl: Liberal Backslider   Author's homepage   Email Karl: Liberal Backslider   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Ah, Poppy, you make the mistake of thinking that our domestic sausage species are all descended from the wild Common Sausage.

The common sausage is the ancestor indeed of the Butchers' sausage, or Botulus chopchopis, but there are in fact several other native species of sausage, and the general thin shape of the chipolata is not from selective breeding, but simply from its descent from the wild chipolata, a creature now extinct in the wild, and never common, being restricted to several forest areas of East Anglia by the Dark Ages.

Now, the situation in some continental countries is different. All Salami belong to the same species, for example - Botulus hotnspicius. This is a very genetically unstable species, hence the ability to form both giant forms, such as the Danish Salami, and far smaller forms such as the Italian piccante.

It's interesting, though, how species of Botulus are always eaten sliced or whole, whereas the related Haggis is always served boned and rolled.

On a related note, has anyone ever gone cheesepicking in the Black Forest?

--------------------
Might as well ask the bloody cat.

Posts: 17938 | From: Chesterfield | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
Laura
General nuisance
# 10

 - Posted      Profile for Laura   Email Laura   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
In the United States, there have been a number of attacks on factory-farmed sausage interests, notably the Linguica Incident (Rhode Island, 2003) and the Andouille Massacree (Louisiana, 2002) wherein POMS (People Opposed to the Mistreatment of Sausages) broke down fences and even in some cases used explosives to breach walls at factory farms in order to release the troubles inmates. The linguica especially suffer from tight-packed conditions because their intense spiciness renders their neighbors quite ill. Sadly, the POMS attacks did more harm than good -- the police spent many sad hours that night picking up broken and charred sausages injured in the explosion and many had to be sent directly to IHOP for humane disposal.

--------------------
Love is the only sane and satisfactory answer to the problem of human existence. - Erich Fromm

Posts: 16883 | From: East Coast, USA | Registered: Apr 2001  |  IP: Logged
Miffy

Ship's elephant
# 1438

 - Posted      Profile for Miffy   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Maybe some of our Northern cousins could enlighten us as to the current situation regarding the breeding programme of the native Haggis.

Here, nestling 'midst the heather , haggi roam free etc etc.... [Big Grin]

--------------------
"I don't feel like smiling." "You're English dear; fake it!" (Colin Firth "Easy Virtue")
Growing Greenpatches

Posts: 4739 | From: The Kitchen | Registered: Oct 2001  |  IP: Logged
ken
Ship's Roundhead
# 2460

 - Posted      Profile for ken     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Karl's scholarship is sadly outdated.

Since the publication of Goodwin's seminal Spiced Meat History of the British Isles and especially since their popularisation in Rackham's very readable History of the English Porkscape it has been widely accepted that the native wild Wooly Sausages of the first few centuries after the last Ice Ages were hunted to local extinction by Mesolithic butchers. (Although Pennington, in her as recently as her 1969 Alpine and Arctic Palaeocharcuterie still held that there might be some genetic continuity with the Haggis.)

As far as is now known, all current wild British sausages are descended from escaped domestic stock - which perhaps accounts for the other wise inexplicable occurence of species at the edge of their range, such as the Kentish Kibbeh (whose closest relatives are found in the Eastern Meditterranean), the Sandwich Salami, and the amazing Greater-Spotted Doner Kebab, the heaviest meat-product capable of powered flight.

The process still continues - a breeding population of bratwurst was established on the Sussex/Kent borders as recently as the early 1990s - perhaps derived from escapes facilitated by the Great Storm of 1987.

--------------------
Ken

L’amor che move il sole e l’altre stelle.

Posts: 39579 | From: London | Registered: Mar 2002  |  IP: Logged
Goodric

Shipmate
# 8001

 - Posted      Profile for Goodric   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Miffy:
Maybe some of our Northern cousins could enlighten us as to the current situation regarding the breeding programme of the native Haggis.

Here, nestling 'midst the heather , haggi roam free etc etc.... [Big Grin]

Look I was drunk at the time and I would rather not talk about it thank you. Its not against the law is it?

--------------------
Happy Christmas Everyone You can find me here

Gone to a better place.

Posts: 7160 | From: You all know anyway | Registered: Jul 2004  |  IP: Logged
Karl: Liberal Backslider
Shipmate
# 76

 - Posted      Profile for Karl: Liberal Backslider   Author's homepage   Email Karl: Liberal Backslider   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Ken, I'm not sure that what you posted really contradicts what I'd said; certainly all extant wild British sausages are domestic escapees, but the Chipolatas of Dark Ages Anglia are a different kettle of fish.

You are aware, of course, that there are several colonies of Kabanos around now?

Ah, the Wild Haggis breeding programme. Correctly speaking, the plural is Haggises, or, in classification, Hagges - Haggis used as a Latin noun for the Genus name naturally declines like Civis. I understand that Edinburgh Zoo has a small colony of Hagges believed to have as little interbreeding with domestic Haggises as any. They are fed on porridge oats and malt whisky. I'm told that the males have fine tartan markings when in breeding condition. It's hoped that a couple of hundred wild haggises will be released to an undisclosed location on Skye in the next few months. How they'll do in the wild is questionable. These are mountain Haggises you understand, with left legs longer than right for walking round mountains.

--------------------
Might as well ask the bloody cat.

Posts: 17938 | From: Chesterfield | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
Miffy

Ship's elephant
# 1438

 - Posted      Profile for Miffy   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Goodric, are you sure you've not wandered in here from the hilariously funny place names thread by mistake? [Big Grin]

--------------------
"I don't feel like smiling." "You're English dear; fake it!" (Colin Firth "Easy Virtue")
Growing Greenpatches

Posts: 4739 | From: The Kitchen | Registered: Oct 2001  |  IP: Logged
ken
Ship's Roundhead
# 2460

 - Posted      Profile for ken     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Comrade Karl, I must have misunderstood you, I crave forgiveness for my oversight.

Incidentally, it occured to me just now that some of our North American colleagues may not realise that the Doner Kebab - which as I said is capable of powered flight - is seriously being considered as the solid fuel core of the ground-launched component of the Bush administration's proposed National Missile Defence.

The improvement to Turkey's balance of payments is expected to be profound.

--------------------
Ken

L’amor che move il sole e l’altre stelle.

Posts: 39579 | From: London | Registered: Mar 2002  |  IP: Logged
Karl: Liberal Backslider
Shipmate
# 76

 - Posted      Profile for Karl: Liberal Backslider   Author's homepage   Email Karl: Liberal Backslider   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Now you're just being silly! [Razz]

--------------------
Might as well ask the bloody cat.

Posts: 17938 | From: Chesterfield | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
welsh dragon

Shipmate
# 3249

 - Posted      Profile for welsh dragon     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Well, the ones that prowl suburban areas at night are a real pest.

And they litter lonely alleys with their cast off skins...

Posts: 5352 | From: ebay | Registered: Aug 2002  |  IP: Logged
Goodric

Shipmate
# 8001

 - Posted      Profile for Goodric   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
and they taste like....

--------------------
Happy Christmas Everyone You can find me here

Gone to a better place.

Posts: 7160 | From: You all know anyway | Registered: Jul 2004  |  IP: Logged
ken
Ship's Roundhead
# 2460

 - Posted      Profile for ken     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
Now you're just being silly! [Razz]

Have you looked closely at a full-size doner recently?

Rotating on its launch-pad, bathed in red and blue light, with molten fuel dripping off it into the tray below?

--------------------
Ken

L’amor che move il sole e l’altre stelle.

Posts: 39579 | From: London | Registered: Mar 2002  |  IP: Logged
Karl: Liberal Backslider
Shipmate
# 76

 - Posted      Profile for Karl: Liberal Backslider   Author's homepage   Email Karl: Liberal Backslider   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
I was under the impression that these weren't sausages at all, but rather that under the Tory govts cost-cutting measures of the eighties pensioners were paid for their legs.

--------------------
Might as well ask the bloody cat.

Posts: 17938 | From: Chesterfield | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
leonato
Shipmate
# 5124

 - Posted      Profile for leonato   Email leonato   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
There are a few Highland haggises (hagges ochayeicus) in the wild, mostly in isolated parts of Wester Ross and the Grampians, where the royal family shoot them while at Balmoral.

They are extremely rare, with brown, rather than tartan, coats. The tartan was an unexpected breeding quirk in Victorian domesticated haggises.

They are of course a separate genus to the sausages of genus botulus , although distantly related to the black puddings ( botulus eyoopiae )

--------------------
leonato... Much Ado

Posts: 892 | From: Stage left | Registered: Oct 2003  |  IP: Logged
ken
Ship's Roundhead
# 2460

 - Posted      Profile for ken     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
No, no, Karl, its not silly at all. After all these years of heartless Tory rule, followed by right-wing Noo Labour neoToryism, no pensioner's legs are fat enough to make a good Doner.

Its all part of the Redundant Foxhunters Scheme. They are shipping out redundant upper-middle-class twits from England, their brains addled by Foot and Mouth, to shoot wild Doners in the highlands of eastern Anatolia.

They did give the contract to the Americans but the collateral damage was unprofitable. An A10 can spread a sausage over a lot of sandwich.

--------------------
Ken

L’amor che move il sole e l’altre stelle.

Posts: 39579 | From: London | Registered: Mar 2002  |  IP: Logged
Goodric

Shipmate
# 8001

 - Posted      Profile for Goodric   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
I hear a female haggis may have a multiple orgasm by mating with several chipolatas at once.

Oh no - that was the wild Hebredian Bagpipe Spider

[ 28. September 2004, 16:37: Message edited by: Goodric ]

--------------------
Happy Christmas Everyone You can find me here

Gone to a better place.

Posts: 7160 | From: You all know anyway | Registered: Jul 2004  |  IP: Logged
Karl: Liberal Backslider
Shipmate
# 76

 - Posted      Profile for Karl: Liberal Backslider   Author's homepage   Email Karl: Liberal Backslider   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by corpusdelicti:
There are a few Highland haggises (hagges ochayeicus) in the wild, mostly in isolated parts of Wester Ross and the Grampians, where the royal family shoot them while at Balmoral.

They are extremely rare, with brown, rather than tartan, coats. The tartan was an unexpected breeding quirk in Victorian domesticated haggises.

They are of course a separate genus to the sausages of genus botulus , although distantly related to the black puddings ( botulus eyoopiae )

I think you're using an old classification system. In fact, the puddings are now considered to be species within the Haggisand Eyoopias genera, within the Hagginae subfamily.

The Lancashire BP is Eyoopias eyoopiae
The Irish BP is Haggis bejabus.

From this, it can be seen that the Haggis is more closely related to the Irish BP than the Irish BP is to the Lancashire BP.

The haggis appears to be far more closely related to the Irish BP than

--------------------
Might as well ask the bloody cat.

Posts: 17938 | From: Chesterfield | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
Dave the Bass
Shipmate
# 155

 - Posted      Profile for Dave the Bass   Email Dave the Bass   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by ken:
They did give the contract to the Americans but the collateral damage was unprofitable. An A10 can spread a sausage over a lot of sandwich.

I thought that the problem with the Americans was that they could only hit their own burgers.
Posts: 2162 | From: In a forest | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
Sioni Sais
Shipmate
# 5713

 - Posted      Profile for Sioni Sais   Email Sioni Sais   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
<snip>

Ah, the Wild Haggis breeding programme. Correctly speaking, the plural is Haggises, or, in classification, Hagges - Haggis used as a Latin noun for the Genus name naturally declines like Civis. I understand that Edinburgh Zoo has a small colony of Hagges believed to have as little interbreeding with domestic Haggises as any. They are fed on porridge oats and malt whisky. I'm told that the males have fine tartan markings when in breeding condition. It's hoped that a couple of hundred wild haggises will be released to an undisclosed location on Skye in the next few months. How they'll do in the wild is questionable. These are mountain Haggises you understand, with left legs longer than right for walking round mountains.
</snip>

I wondered what variety of Mountain Haggis these were. There is, or at any rate was, a far smaller population of Haggis with their right legs longer, such that they had to walk round mountains anti-clockwise (those mentioned are the clockwise variety). Does anyone know if any of these counter-clockwise Haggis remain?

It will be obvious that the two varieties cannot interbreed as in the wild they will always be facing in opposite directions and on flat ground they both fall over. Artificial Insemination has been attempted but the results have always been disappointing, leading to young Haggis with unusually long legs, such as they cannot sustain their own weight or very short legs, so short that they cannot move at all well.

--------------------
"He isn't Doctor Who, he's The Doctor"

(Paul Sinha, BBC)

Posts: 24276 | From: Newport, Wales | Registered: Apr 2004  |  IP: Logged
Poppy

Ship's dancing cat
# 2000

 - Posted      Profile for Poppy   Email Poppy   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
I bow to Karl's greater knowledge and indeed the East Anglican Wild Chipolata may be the ancestor of the modern chipolata. However, after that regretable incident with the genetic remodling of the bog man's sausage butty found in that East Anglican 'Time Team' dig of the late 1990's, I think that a veil should be drawn over the whole affair. Quite honestly using the humble polony sausage as a host for the iron age DNA may have seemed sensible at the time but the wholesale destruction of this household favourite may be too high a price to pay.

--------------------
At the still point of the turning world - there the dance is...

Posts: 1406 | From: mostly on the edge | Registered: Dec 2001  |  IP: Logged
Laura
General nuisance
# 10

 - Posted      Profile for Laura   Email Laura   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
I was under the impression that these weren't sausages at all, but rather that under the Tory govts cost-cutting measures of the eighties pensioners were paid for their legs.

It's not well-known, but Doners are harvested through an international Pensioner Leg exchange program sponsored out of the Middle American Heartland, where the pensioners are more inclined to fat (McDonald's being very inexpensive). Some of the legs go to make Doner Kebab, and others are given to UK Pensioners to replace their thinner legs. One good American thigh is often good for several Doners. That's why it's informally known as the Doner/Donor plan.

It's got nothing to do with sausages, wild or otherwise.

--------------------
Love is the only sane and satisfactory answer to the problem of human existence. - Erich Fromm

Posts: 16883 | From: East Coast, USA | Registered: Apr 2001  |  IP: Logged
Siegfried
Ship's ferret
# 29

 - Posted      Profile for Siegfried   Author's homepage   Email Siegfried   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
This all reminds me of the sorry plight of the new world argyle or preppius hosierus. For those not familiar with the argyle, it is a species of small, flightless birds, native to Connecticut. They are, however, migratory, wintering in Palm Beach, but only if daddy pays for it.
Alas, the vast flocks of argyles have been reduced to scraps and threads of their former glory.

And don't get me started on the now-extinct Nauga.

Sieg

[ 28. September 2004, 23:08: Message edited by: Siegfried ]

Posts: 5592 | From: Tallahassee, FL USA | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
leonato
Shipmate
# 5124

 - Posted      Profile for leonato   Email leonato   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais.:
Does anyone know if any of these counter-clockwise Haggis remain?

Ah, the tragic tale of the anti-clockwise haggis. Always rarer than their clockwise cousins. By some freak of nature the males were much slower runners than the females and, forced to run round hills in one direction, they could never catch up when they wanted to mate, and so they died out.

A sad story, but a good example of evolution in action.

--------------------
leonato... Much Ado

Posts: 892 | From: Stage left | Registered: Oct 2003  |  IP: Logged
John Donne

Renaissance Man
# 220

 - Posted      Profile for John Donne     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
There are native sausage species in other continents, I believe from the Botulus group, but my sausology knowledge is fairly weak and I welcome correction by the more scholarly on this thread.

It's the South African boerewors that comes to mind. Large and sedentary creatures, given to overweight, they curl themselves up in a long coil and meander in search of a nice warm grill to roost on.

I'm pleased to say that the population of boerewors has increased to the point where the annual boerewors season (closed in 1954 due to dwindling stocks) has now re-opened and amateurs may take boerewors by hand for 2 weeks in May. Use of traps, nets or harpoons with explosive heads is still prohibited though, as is commercial harvesting.

Posts: 13667 | From: Perth, W.A. | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
Miffy

Ship's elephant
# 1438

 - Posted      Profile for Miffy   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
There will doubtless be those among you who are not yet aquainted with another native French species of sausage, the Merguez or saucissevomitus so called because of its propensity to recycle itself after first consumption. Recent studies by scientists from the L'Universite des Arts Gastronomique have discovered evidence of this proceedure, and have collected samples from outside that popular eaterie 'Big Boy Cafe.' Plans are also afoot to send a team to investigate rumours that a small colony of Merguez have established themselves at the city's football stadium.

Another and more famliar item of charcuterie, and cousin of the British black pudding has been glimpsed in the area, the Boudin. However, leading academics, backed up by the Academie Francaise are currently advocating limited breeding, due to the detrimental effect this creature has on the purity of language of the city's schoolchildren. Reports of teachers being forced to wash their charges' mouths out with soap and water after one insult too many was hurled across the playground are flooding in daily.

[ 29. September 2004, 09:01: Message edited by: Miffy ]

Posts: 4739 | From: The Kitchen | Registered: Oct 2001  |  IP: Logged
Legodude_uk

Protector of Zebras
# 5671

 - Posted      Profile for Legodude_uk   Email Legodude_uk   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Dave the Bass:
quote:
Originally posted by ken:
They did give the contract to the Americans but the collateral damage was unprofitable. An A10 can spread a sausage over a lot of sandwich.

I thought that the problem with the Americans was that they could only hit their own burgers.
Friendly Fryer?? [Biased]

--------------------
If a man is standing in a forest speaking but there are no women around to hear him...is he still wrong?

Posts: 2619 | From: The Home of the Saints | Registered: Mar 2004  |  IP: Logged
balaam

Making an ass of myself
# 4543

 - Posted      Profile for balaam   Author's homepage   Email balaam   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by corpusdelicti:
Ah, the tragic tale of the anti-clockwise haggis. Always rarer than their clockwise cousins. By some freak of nature the males were much slower runners than the females and, forced to run round hills in one direction, they could never catch up when they wanted to mate, and so they died out.

A sad story, but a good example of evolution in action.

But the sam is true of the clockwise haggis. The females can also out run the males. But when the females disappear into the distance the males hide behind a convenient thistle, and ambush the females when they appear around the other side of the mountain. Survival of the fittest, indeed.

--------------------
Last ever sig ...

blog

Posts: 9049 | From: Hen Ogledd | Registered: May 2003  |  IP: Logged
Grits
Compassionate fundamentalist
# 4169

 - Posted      Profile for Grits   Author's homepage   Email Grits   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
I truly hate to add to one of the stereotypical images of America, but I'm afraid it's true: Here in South, we actually keep sausages in the house. They're actually no trouble, very clean and quiet, and they bring us a great deal of enjoyment.

--------------------
Lord, fill my mouth with worthwhile stuff, and shut it when I've said enough. Amen.

Posts: 8419 | From: Nashville, TN | Registered: Feb 2003  |  IP: Logged
Timothy the Obscure

Mostly Friendly
# 292

 - Posted      Profile for Timothy the Obscure   Email Timothy the Obscure   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
All the true native New World sausage species (like New World horses and camels) are extinct, the last known example of Botulus Canadiensis having been hunted down and eaten by a band of Algonquin indians in Saskatchewan in 1867. It is believed that this sausage was actually a close relative of the haggis, though this cannot be established with certainty.

All current New World sausages are European immigrants, though many of them (especially the hamburger and frankfurter) have been so drastically modified through selective breeding that they bear little resemblance to the ancestral strains. In recent decades, the importation of Old World breeding stock has begun to revive traits that had been bred out of most American varieties. The interest in traditional breeds has brought a new diversity to the sausage scene, and a few "boutique sausage ranchers" are raising organic, free-range kielbasa, saucisson l'ail, and other heirloom breeds. Factory farming remains the rule, however.

--------------------
When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion.
  - C. P. Snow

Posts: 6114 | From: PDX | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
Sir Kevin
Ship's Gaffer
# 3492

 - Posted      Profile for Sir Kevin   Author's homepage   Email Sir Kevin   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
I wonder how the sausage business is going on The Archers. It hasn't figured in the latest story lines I've heard...

--------------------
If you board the wrong train, it is no use running along the corridor in the other direction Dietrich Bonhoeffer
Writing is currently my hobby, not yet my profession.

Posts: 30517 | From: White Hart Lane | Registered: Oct 2002  |  IP: Logged
Miffy

Ship's elephant
# 1438

 - Posted      Profile for Miffy   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
In the interests of European relations, I directed Mr M towards this thread when he phoned earlier this evening. We may yet be contacted by the good burghers of Alsace, seeing as he was in the French office at the time. I left him happily scrolling through the thread; at least that's what he said he was looking at. To tell the truth he seemed more interested in 'Naked Came the Wedding Guest.' [Confused] Can't imagine why? [Biased]
Posts: 4739 | From: The Kitchen | Registered: Oct 2001  |  IP: Logged
Gill H

Shipmate
# 68

 - Posted      Profile for Gill H     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Didn't 'Round the Horne' do an expose on the scandal of forced meats? Apparently they scream if you force them too hard.

--------------------
*sigh* We can’t all be Alan Cresswell.

- Lyda Rose

Posts: 9313 | From: London | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
HopPik
Shipmate
# 8510

 - Posted      Profile for HopPik     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
I was reading this thread, quite unaware that my pet Cumberland was looking over my shoulder. He has now taken refuge in the freezer. Any suggestions?

--------------------
Never wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and supposedly the pig enjoys it. G.B. Shaw

Posts: 2084 | From: London | Registered: Sep 2004  |  IP: Logged
KenWritez
Shipmate
# 3238

 - Posted      Profile for KenWritez   Email KenWritez   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Suggestions? Well, when he's frozen enough to be firm but not rock hard, you can easily slice him into roulades for baking or deepfrying after you remove inedibles.

I suggest a nice teriaki or orange glaze for sauce, and for veg, steamed fresh broccoli or asparagus and garlic mashed potatoes.

For wine, I'd serve a nice crisp Riesling if you go with the broccoli, a Vigonier if you choose the asparagus.

--------------------
"The truth is you're the weak. And I'm the tyranny of evil men. But I'm tryin', Ringo. I'm tryin' real hard to be a shepherd." --Quentin Tarantino, Pulp Fiction

My blog: http://oxygenofgrace.blogspot.com

Posts: 11102 | From: Left coast of Wonderland, by the rabbit hole | Registered: Aug 2002  |  IP: Logged
ken
Ship's Roundhead
# 2460

 - Posted      Profile for ken     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Heartless man, heartless.

Anyway, an imaginative woman can always find a use for a "firm but not rock hard" Cumberland Sausage.

The trick is in the curl.

--------------------
Ken

L’amor che move il sole e l’altre stelle.

Posts: 39579 | From: London | Registered: Mar 2002  |  IP: Logged
KenWritez
Shipmate
# 3238

 - Posted      Profile for KenWritez   Email KenWritez   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
"Heartless"? Moi?!

Well, yes.

But at least my wine choices were impeccable.

--------------------
"The truth is you're the weak. And I'm the tyranny of evil men. But I'm tryin', Ringo. I'm tryin' real hard to be a shepherd." --Quentin Tarantino, Pulp Fiction

My blog: http://oxygenofgrace.blogspot.com

Posts: 11102 | From: Left coast of Wonderland, by the rabbit hole | Registered: Aug 2002  |  IP: Logged



Pages in this thread: 1  2 
 
Post new thread  Post a reply Close thread   Feature thread   Move thread   Delete thread Next oldest thread   Next newest thread
 - Printer-friendly view
Go to:

Contact us | Ship of Fools | Privacy statement

© Ship of Fools 2016

Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classicTM 6.5.0

 
follow ship of fools on twitter
buy your ship of fools postcards
sip of fools mugs from your favourite nautical website
 
 
  ship of fools