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mousethief

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The comment wasn't about the goal. It was about which takes more time, action A or action B.

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mr cheesy
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quote:
Originally posted by Arethosemyfeet:


I have noticed, however, that some people advertise things for sale on eBay, claiming to send via Royal Mail, and then claim they can't post to Scottish Islands. It's quite bizarre.

FWIW, there is a setting on ebay where sellers can auto select places that they don't post to - including the highlands, channel islands and mann.

If one has a range of things to send and a range of postal carriers it might be easier just to say that one doesn't send to these locations, which I agree is a bit harsh to those who live in them.

Personally I've selected several of these because the items are fairly fragile and the risk of damage due to shipment by sea/air is much greater than it would be by road on the mainland.

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quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
Also, if it takes you hours to navigate IKEA, you're doing it wrong.

I can be in and out, with everything I need, within half an hour, and usually less.

(pro-tip - look up the codes on the website and enter the store through the tills)

That's definitely PhD level IKEA shopping... my big mistake is taking kids/spouse with me. That means:

"Can I play in the play area"
"No, we're just going to get a few things"
"Oooo! I just need to nip through the lighting section because I want to replace those lights in the conservatory"

[time passes]

"Can I have a hotdog on the way out?"
"If you stop annoying your brothers, possibly."
"Yaaaay! Hotdog!!!"
"Ooo - I wonder if it's worth getting some batteries while we're here"
"We've just gone past that section"
"I'll nip back; you carry on - I'll catch you up"
"BACKSLIDERLET #3 GET OFF THAT BED!"
"Ooooooooooooooooooooooh [Frown] "

[time passes]

[spouse catches up seconds before I finally brain Backsliderlet #3, the one with ADHD, naturally]

"What width is Backsliderlet #2's bed?"

[mentally search for random information unlikely to be held in /dev/KLBWorkingData]

"Don't know"
"Do you think this [photo on phone] will fit between it and the wall?"
"Probably. Don't know. Hard to tell".
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"Did you get the light bulbs?"
"Have I been good enough for a hotdog?"*
"Can we have doughnuts?"
"Can I play in the play area while you're getting the car Daddy?"
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Or is that just me? I know I'm doing it wrong. Tomorrow we're nipping into Decathlon. That's similar ("can I have this?" "No, we don't even have a bloody horse!"), and what's worse it's on the same retail park as IKEA. I must resolutely resist any temptation to nip in for a few of those kitchen utensil hooks or the morning's toast.

*Given the quality of the IKEA hotdogs, I think they should be threatened as a punishment, but there you go...

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I have to admit, IKEA, 10am, weekday morning, kids at school and wife at work, does make everything simpler.

I do get the "why didn't you tell me you were going?/ We needed XYZ/ You hate spending any time with me*" discussion afterwards. Still worth it.


*I hate spending any time with you in IKEA because it turns you into an over-acquisitive consumer drone determined to fill the house with shiny crap we don't need. A nice walk in the park, or a trip out to the local NT property (with or without gays) would be lovely. But not bloody IKEA.

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quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
I have to admit, IKEA, 10am, weekday morning, kids at school and wife at work, does make everything simpler.

I do get the "why didn't you tell me you were going?/ We needed XYZ/ You hate spending any time with me*" discussion afterwards. Still worth it.


*I hate spending any time with you in IKEA because it turns you into an over-acquisitive consumer drone determined to fill the house with shiny crap we don't need. A nice walk in the park, or a trip out to the local NT property (with or without gays) would be lovely. But not bloody IKEA.

[Razz] you actually said this?

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I've been married for 25 years. Speaking truth to power is a necessity.

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quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
To me, the idea that websites "save time" because you don't physically travel is a pernicious myth.

Baloney. I set up a recurring delivery of cat food on the Petco website some time ago. I never run out, and I don't have to deal with a store not having the right kind or not having enough to get me through more than a few days. I get an email before my order ships, and I can add any other pet supplies I might need. I reduce my carbon footprint a little bit, because I make zero trips to the store and my stuff is delivered to my workplace via UPS, which has us on a delivery route anyway. I've saved all kinds of time.
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quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:

To me, the idea that websites "save time" because you don't physically travel is a pernicious myth. On the contrary, a bad online shop can suck up time like a Hoover.

Say I need to by a thingamawidget.

I can go online, search for the thingamawidget in the size and colour and purchase the one that fits my need and budget. Average time: 15 min. Maybe an hour if I am really picky about thingamawidgets.*

I can go to shops. Minimum time 30 minutes and that is if the one I want is in the closest shop, in stock and right next to the door.
Now, if you are including the time it takes for the thingamawidget being in my hands to use, then it is possible for the shops to be faster. However, If I do not need it today, I can do other things with my time whilst the item is being delivered.
Plus I can shop the world.

The problem I have with online shopping is that it helps kill brick and mortar stores. I hate killing jobs, I like small shops and sometimes one needs to see, feel, try on, etc. So online isn't my goto option if I can manage otherwise.

*I've taken days and days to make a decision, because of research and/or sourcing. But this would be also done before purchasing from a shop.

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Small, independent ("Mom and Pop") stores went into decline before Amazon took over the world. Little office supply stores were killed off by OfficeMax (BizMart at that time) and Staples, the local hardware stores succumbed to Home Depot and Lowes, bookstores had to compete with Borders (which did eventually lose out to Amazon) and Barnes and Noble. (These are all U.S. chains, but I'm sure each country has its equivalent, e.g., W.H. Smith.)

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quote:
Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
Small, independent ("Mom and Pop") stores went into decline before Amazon took over the world.

They were killed by the big boxes, and in particular Walmart. This is pretty well documented.

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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
The comment wasn't about the goal. It was about which takes more time, action A or action B.

No, actually, we were talking about bad shopping. Whichever WASTES more time is whichever doesn't achieve something.

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quote:
Originally posted by RuthW:
quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
To me, the idea that websites "save time" because you don't physically travel is a pernicious myth.

Baloney. I set up a recurring delivery of cat food on the Petco website some time ago. I never run out, and I don't have to deal with a store not having the right kind or not having enough to get me through more than a few days. I get an email before my order ships, and I can add any other pet supplies I might need. I reduce my carbon footprint a little bit, because I make zero trips to the store and my stuff is delivered to my workplace via UPS, which has us on a delivery route anyway. I've saved all kinds of time.
Wow. So... your success story negates the idea that a bad website can waste a lot of time... how, exactly?

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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
I can go online, search for the thingamawidget in the size and colour and purchase the one that fits my need and budget.

Aaand here's another person who wants to regale me with a success story of online shopping where they find the size and colour they want.

You all seem to be under the impression that I said online shopping was bad. I said nothing of the kind. What I actually was talking about was that I consider it a myth that online shopping is automatically better.

You know what, folks? I wasted a lot of time and energy this morning trying to figure out across a variety of websites whether I could organise a trip somewhere. I did that online. It would have been a lot less effort on my part to go to a travel agent and leave all the wrestling with options and possibilities with them.

Whether online shopping works better depends a hell of a lot on the specificity of what you want, the rarity of what you want, whether it's the kind of thing you need to ask questions about before purchasing, and so on and so forth.

I've done online shopping that has been quick and easy and simple. I never said otherwise, and all of you lining up to tell me your anecdotes of quick and easy online shopping are completely missing the bloody point.

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RuthW

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You did say otherwise. You said:

quote:
To me, the idea that websites "save time" because you don't physically travel is a pernicious myth.
But it's clearly not a myth -- I gave one example of a website that has saved me plenty of time precisely because I don't physically travel.
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orfeo, as RuthW pointed out, and as this quote further underlines
quote:
a bad online shop can suck up time like a Hoover.
you, by any reasonable interpretation, were comparing time and that is what I am addressing.

Better is subjective and I am not arguing that.

If online were not more convenient, and time is part of that, it would not be a cause of the shuttering of brick and mortar shops. And it is.

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If you go to the Trafford Centre in Manchester (I never have but I've heard all about it) you will find millions of people who want to waste time shopping. It's a leisure activity for them, they spend the day there.

Yes, I know, baffling madness - but they do.

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mousethief

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quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
What I actually was talking about was that I consider it a myth that online shopping is automatically better.

You might should have said that. What you SAID was:

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
quote:
Originally posted by chris stiles:
Of course they do, the difference is that its easier to click away from a website than it is to walk out of a shop

I'm trying to think of a rational basis for this claim. So far I'm coming up with a blank. But then maybe shops are using magnets and forcefields these days.
The claim here by chris stiles was how easy it is to LEAVE a website. You disputed this. You said nothing about quality, or about wasting time.

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quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
I've been married for 25 years. Speaking truth to power is a necessity.

[Overused] SoF Quotes thread

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quote:
Originally posted by Boogie:
If you go to the Trafford Centre in Manchester (I never have but I've heard all about it) you will find millions of people who want to waste time shopping. It's a leisure activity for them, they spend the day there.

Yes, I know, baffling madness - but they do.

Though it does depend very much on what you want. If you want to buy a specific book, then shopping online is convenient. If you want to see what books might be interesting then nothing beats an hour or two browsing the shelves of a book shop.

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My mother in law hates computers and has just about given up on hers, but she loves Amazon. The system is simple: she calls me - I already have her credit card number - says, "Get me a copy of James Weldon Johnson's "God's Trombones"!" (as she did last week) and within a few minutes I have it ordered for her, 400 miles away in a small town with no bookshops anywhere near. It arrived on Tuesday.

But there are shops and there are shops. The corner store, the village hardware store and the pub are all social media of the kind that don't require computers and passwords to get in. You'll never find me in a mall. Nobody makes fun of my body when I buy clothes on line.

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I order books and other items from Amazon, but not clothes. I want to see the actual colors and get an idea of whether a certain style is becoming to me.

Moo

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I often buy clothes online because retail stores simply don't sell stuff I like.

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quote:
Originally posted by Boogie:
If you go to the Trafford Centre in Manchester (I never have but I've heard all about it) you will find millions of people who want to waste time shopping. It's a leisure activity for them, they spend the day there.

Yes, I know, baffling madness - but they do.

Yeah, but it's weird; no-one ever fesses up to actually being one of these people.

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I know an author who shops for her characters at Saks (on 5th Avenue in Manhattan). She learns more about them by contemplating what kind of Manolos they would wear. She does not of course buy these things. I have been known to shop for the right truck, for a character to drive, but I do this by sitting in traffic. I don't actually buy the vehicle. This type of shopping is now largely superseded by Pinterest, where you can put pictures of stuff for reference.

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mousethief

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I research books on Amazon, then message the local brick-and-mortar owner, and she gets them for me. Usually my message consists of a screen shot of the Amazon page for the book, and the words, 'I need this.'

[ 03. September 2017, 13:45: Message edited by: mousethief ]

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Uncle Pete

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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
quote:
Originally posted by Egeria:
Nobody "needs" to use Amazon.

This is ableist. They are a godsend to people with mobility impairments, as well as the blind. And for people who live out at the end of a 100 mile dirt road in East Bumfuck, Arkansas, they may be many times cheaper in time and gas than driving to the nearest place to get a book not carried by Walmart.
Nonsense! I make trips to local stores all the time. My money stays local. I am aging and disabled. I used Abebooks before they were subsumed by Amazon. I have never used Amazon or any on-line purchase which requires me to stay home to receive offerings and to repack and send back substandard goods.

If the store is local, I buy on-line, to be sure, but then I arrange someone to pick it up and deliver.

Colour me old, disabled, and grumpy.

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mousethief

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quote:
Originally posted by Uncle Pete:
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
quote:
Originally posted by Egeria:
Nobody "needs" to use Amazon.

This is ableist. They are a godsend to people with mobility impairments, as well as the blind. And for people who live out at the end of a 100 mile dirt road in East Bumfuck, Arkansas, they may be many times cheaper in time and gas than driving to the nearest place to get a book not carried by Walmart.
Nonsense! I make trips to local stores all the time. My money stays local. I am aging and disabled. I used Abebooks before they were subsumed by Amazon. I have never used Amazon or any on-line purchase which requires me to stay home to receive offerings and to repack and send back substandard goods.

If the store is local, I buy on-line, to be sure, but then I arrange someone to pick it up and deliver.

Colour me old, disabled, and grumpy.

[I hit enter before finishing]

Yes because one example of a disabled person able to go to the local shops, and whose local shops sell online, disproves all the other people who say when asked that Amazon has improved their lives hundred fold. How could I have not seen that?

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quote:
Originally posted by Uncle Pete:

Colour me old, disabled, and grumpy.

And a pensioner, correct? You have the time that others might not.
Also, your preferences are just that; yours.
The fact is the world is becoming Amazonified because this is what most people want/like/accept.

I find it somewhat distressing because, as much as the internet expands, it also collapses.

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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
This type of shopping is now largely superseded by Pinterest, where you can put pictures of stuff for reference.

This sort of illustrates one problem with the internet. It can provide the idea of greater depth when it is merely expanding the areas in which one can be superficial.

This is not in any way, shape or form meant to imply anything about you or your writing.

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Ah, I get you now. Because I am a pensioner, I have all the time in the world to sit by my window waiting for delivery. [Killing me] [Killing me]

You are a working person, correct? Ah, the misconceptions of youth!

I have to go somewhere.* I then wait til the next morning to book my transport, which may or may not pick me up at the time I desire the following day. Then I go shopping. Waiting time + travel time eats up a morning. A simple trip to the grocery store and 20 minutes shopping takes between 3=4 hours. When do I have time to be at home to wait for parcels? None.

* I use shopping as an example. Consider: doctors, lawyers, dentists, meetings or any of the other tasks of an old man. When I have free time I go to bookstores, or outside for exercise.

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quote:
Originally posted by Uncle Pete:
When do I have time to be at home to wait for parcels? None.

You're gone all day every day seven days a week? Good God, man.

I assume you live in a rough neighborhood. If we're not here they leave the package on the porch and we get it when we get home.

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OK, apologies for assuming. You do not have more time. But who sits waiting for parcels anyway?

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quote:
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Originally posted by Uncle Pete:
When do I have time to be at home to wait for parcels? None.

You're gone all day every day seven days a week? Good God, man.

I assume you live in a rough neighborhood. If we're not here they leave the package on the porch and we get it when we get home.

How nice you live in a house. I live in a well settled neighbourhood in a well maintained condominium medium rise building. Neither the Post Office nor couriers will leave parcels in the foyer. So unless I wait, who will? PO and courier deliveries are Monday-Friday, which, because those are the days that I am likely to be out and about since those are the days where the places I need to go to are open.

I am so glad I am not you, making assumptions, in all directions.

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Neither the Post Office nor couriers will leave parcels in the foyer. So unless I wait, who will? PO and courier deliveries are Monday-Friday, which, because those are the days that I am likely to be out and about since those are the days where the places I need to go to are open.

It still doesn't negate mt's point that, for some, ordering online is a positive.

Amended to say that this potentially sucks for you, if your shops cannot survive the competition.

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I am so glad I am not you, making assumptions, in all directions.

I am so glad I am not purposely goading people and generally being an asshole like you.

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You might should have said that. What you SAID was:

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Originally posted by chris stiles:
Of course they do, the difference is that its easier to click away from a website than it is to walk out of a shop

I'm trying to think of a rational basis for this claim. So far I'm coming up with a blank. But then maybe shops are using magnets and forcefields these days.
The claim here by chris stiles was how easy it is to LEAVE a website. You disputed this. You said nothing about quality, or about wasting time.
Oh FFS. Seriously? It's perfectly clear from that I didn't dispute how easy it was to leave a website. I disputed the idea that it was HARDER to leave a SHOP.

Magnets and forcefields. You blithering idiot, I talked about magnets and forcefields.

His claim was not that it was easy. His claim was that it was easier. Do I actually have to explain the difference between "easy" and "easier" to you? Is that what this is about, your inability to understand comparators?

The conversation in fact moved on and I said different things after that, but I guess the remedial class should start with Step 1.

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Oh FFS. Seriously? It's perfectly clear from that I didn't dispute how easy it was to leave a website. I disputed the idea that it was HARDER to leave a SHOP.

Typically, one has made more of an investment in time getting to a shop. So, whilst there are no constraints, it isn't the equivilant of clicking away from a website.

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Oh FFS. Seriously? It's perfectly clear from that I didn't dispute how easy it was to leave a website. I disputed the idea that it was HARDER to leave a SHOP.

And it's perfectly clear my using the wrong word just once isn't the point, but I guess when one is wrong, as you are, one snatches at any straw one can find.

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Another point to be taken into consideration is environmental friendliness. Seems to me that, at least in locales with inferior public transportation, it is much more efficient, and with a significantly smaller carbon footprint, for one delivery van to drive by 25 homes than for 25 people to fire up their cars and drive to the shopping district and/or mall.

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Another point to be taken into consideration is environmental friendliness.

And the environmental unfriendliness of convenience meaning people buying more stuff

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Another point to be taken into consideration is environmental friendliness.

And the environmental unfriendliness of convenience meaning people buying more stuff
Which they do when they go to stores, too. For example grocery stores in particular put staples like milk and eggs and bread in places where you have to traverse aisles of stuff you never knew you wanted until you saw it. It's hard to go window shopping with Josephine, lest she spy a hat she suddenly fancies. I am the same way about other things. And don't get me started on used book shops. I would be interested in seeing a differentiation on this. My guess is it would be a wash.

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I would be interested in seeing a differentiation on this. My guess is it would be a wash.

I don't think so. The internet broadens the consumer base, minimises effort and rewards* spontaneity.
From interest to ownership in minutes.


*In the brain chemistry aspect.

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I'm less apt to make impulse buys on Amazon. If something piques my interest, I'll put it on a wish list. I may or may not buy it at a future date. If something catches my eye in a store, I buy it right away because a) I don't want to have to drive back/park/walk another time; and b) it probably won't be there when I come back. Amazon gives me more time to think over my decision to buy or not to buy (or perchance to dream about the item [Biased] ).

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I make notes, mental or electronic, both in shops and online. If a shop no longer carries an item, I can usually find and purchase online. For me, that behaviour remains the same in either medium.
I am, in this discussion,trying to separate random preference v general trends. Or rather, my impression of them as I have not read studies regarding them.

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Well this is survey based, anyways which atvl is better than hearsay or anecdote: Business Insider: You’re probably more likely to make an impulse buy in a physical store than when you’re shopping online

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Well this is survey based, anyways which atvl is better than hearsay or anecdote: Business Insider: You’re probably more likely to make an impulse buy in a physical store than when you’re shopping online

If you see something you like on the internet, you can always go back to the site later. Going back to a store is much less convenient.

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Well this is survey based, anyways which atvl is better than hearsay or anecdote:

My impression is based on observation. Not saying scientific, mind.


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Business Insider: You’re probably more likely to make an impulse buy in a physical store than when you’re shopping online

I'd like to see the questions and parameters. If you see something in a shop that you were not there for and buy it, it is definitely impulse.
If you see something on your friend's Pinterest, search for it and then buy it, you are still in that magpie moment, but you might not consider it impulse because the purchase was not immediate.

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Originally posted by mousethief:
Well this is survey based, anyways which atvl is better than hearsay or anecdote: Business Insider: You’re probably more likely to make an impulse buy in a physical store than when you’re shopping online

If you see something you like on the internet, you can always go back to the site later. Going back to a store is much less convenient.

Moo

I think it's much harder to see something you didn't realize you wanted online, where there is likely one item per page and maybe a ribbon with five or ten items that other people looked at. Whereas with a store you have a gestalt view of hundreds of products as soon as you enter the aisles or walk onto the selling floor.

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I really like the online reviews, they give a much better idea than shop people do.

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To be fair, the best reviews are at Screwfix. A bunch of middle-aged blokes trying to come up with new ways of saying "Easy to fit, looks the part, and the missus thinks it was more expensive. Sorted."

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Some websites are raising the bar for reviews. I made a reservation for a local restaurant online, with the result that I got an email from the online-reservation-platform offering me FANTASTIC REWARDS if I would write a 200-word essay on my dining experience.

What was it Tolkien said? "Things that are good to have and days that are good to spend are soon told about, and not much to listen to; while things that are uncomfortable, palpitating, or even gruesome, may make a good tale, and take a deal of telling anyway."

I don't hate any of my local restaurants enough to write a bad review, and cannot motivate myself enough to write a good review that goes on for 200 words...

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