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shamwari
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I thought to post this in Heaven.
Then decided that Hell is more appropriate.
Eventually ended up here. BBC has been running The Voice programme. I suppose it is meant to choose someone whose Voice is outstanding.
It should be called The Scream or The Shout. Or, even better, The Noise.
Can any shipmate justify this exorbitant waste of money?
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Hairy Biker
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No more easily than I could justify 90% of the stuff they spend my licence fee on.
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RuthW
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If it bothers you so much, change the channel.
As to the expense, network TV exists to sell stuff, so the fact that enough people watch the show to make it worthwhile for advertisers to pay for commercials justifies the expense.
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Stejjie
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Originally posted by RuthW:
As to the expense, network TV exists to sell stuff, so the fact that enough people watch the show to make it worthwhile for advertisers to pay for commercials justifies the expense.
[pedant mode] It's on the BBC, so there's no advertising. [/pedant mode]
I guess it's part of Lord Reith's "Inform, educate entertain" - this is one of the BBC's ways of trying to do the latter. It's not my cup of tea, either (and I hate the way on all these singing contests, most of the contenders insist on murdering songs by singing 15 notes in place of one, and shouting them all... but I'm getting all hellish). But I guess the BBC isn't there just to put on the programmes I'd like, which is probably just as well. The Voice has been doing well in the ratings and, while I accept ratings can't be everything for the BBC, I guess they're still a factor.
I once heard a good analogy of people's attitudes to the BBC (think it was Phil Jupitus, the DJ and comedian who said this). He said that most people see the BBC as being like a taxi, something that's there just for their needs and wants, solely to take them where they want to go; so when it puts on programmes they don't like, they feel entitled to complain. In fact, he reckoned, the BBC is more like a bus, in that it has to go to a whole range of destinations and take people to a whole bunch of different places. These will often be wildly contradictory: there'll be some people who only want to see the "inform" and "educate" stuff; there'll be others who just want to be entertained and want that to come from the BBC. The Beeb has, somehow, to find ways to meet all their needs, get them all where they want to go.
I actually think it does this quite well - not perfectly, but as well as it probably could given the incredibly competing demands and resources it has.
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lowlands_boy
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Originally posted by RuthW:
If it bothers you so much, change the channel.
As to the expense, network TV exists to sell stuff, so the fact that enough people watch the show to make it worthwhile for advertisers to pay for commercials justifies the expense.
This particular show is on the BBC, so is paid for via the license fee, and there is no advertising, or product placement permitted on the BBC. The BBC comes in for a lot of stick as to what it spends the license fee on.....
Possibly x-posted with lots of other people...
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lowlands_boy
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Meanwhile over on commercial carrying ITV1, a dancing dog has just won half a million pounds....
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Hairy Biker
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Originally posted by lowlands_boy:
Meanwhile over on commercial carrying ITV1, a dancing dog has just won half a million pounds....
yes, I was going to start a thread on that. All the talent we have in Britain, and the country votes a dancing dog to perform before the Queen. This country's full of crap.
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RuthW
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Ah. "The Voice" is on network TV in the U.S.
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shamwari
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Ruth W might be interested to know that everyone is forced to pay for a BBC license fee in this country.
And we pay for such unadulterated rubbish.
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Jahlove
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It's just another x-factor/BGT/pop idol type show; I watch telly so rarely, I have to RTFM to figger out how to turn the damn thing on - I was persuaded by a friend to watch some of this - there was someone called Ruth Brown (I think) who, by herself, had a very impressive lung-capacity. The head-to-head duet things seemed a ridiculous shouting match, as the OP opines. And the only *judge* I could recognise was Tom Jones.
Oh! for the days of genuine manufactured bands
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Honest Ron Bacardi
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It's Saturday night. Why are you watching this trash?
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Jahlove
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Originally posted by Honest Ron Bacardi:
It's Saturday night. Why are you watching this trash?
I'm not - I am levelling up my heroes/avatars on War of Legends ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Schroedinger's cat
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As a fan of the voice, I think it has identified more talent that some of the Cowell rivals. Yes it is a bit gimmicky, but a lot of the contestants can actually sing, and it is pleasurable to hear them. Most of the time.
Personally, I am all for identifying new real talent. And I think the talent is way above the freak show norm.
If you don't like it, go to the pub for the evening, and challenge your friends on the Karaoke machine.
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Jolly Jape
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Can most of the contestants sing? Probably. Do they actually sing? Not so sure. I think it's so ironic that, in a supposed attempt to inject passion into their performances, they completely sever any emotional link to the audience with these absurd and self-indulgent screeching vocal gymnastics. It might be clever, but it's not communication.
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Paul.
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What is this thread intended to be about?
Is it:
- Is the License Fee the best way to fund the BBC? (possibly not but please demonstrate the alternative is better before dismantling the current system)
- I don't like that my taxes are spent on things I personally wouldn't choose to spend money on? (welcome to the modern world. Make sure you pass on your feelings to your MP and vote accordingly)
- Given that the BBC is state-funded shouldn't it provide only programming that commercial channels won't? (definitely worth discussing, especially when brand loyalty to channels is arguably a thing of the past)
- I personally don't like The Voice and therefore I don't understand how anyone else can. (should've gone with your second thought and posted in Hell)
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M.
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Originally posted by shamwari:
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Ruth W might be interested to know that everyone is forced to pay for a BBC license fee in this country.
Funny, I don't recall anyone being forced to have a tv. You only need a licence (note, in UK at least, 'c' in the noun, 's' in the verb) if you have a tv.
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Spike
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That's true, but if you don't have a TV, you have to jump through all sorts of hoops to prove it. The TV Licensing authorities refuse to believe that anyone can possibly live without one. A friend of mine felt as though he was being treated like a criminal with the number of threatening letters he received.
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M.
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Yes, I've heard that too, Spike.
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Pyx_e
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Originally posted by lowlands_boy:
Meanwhile over on commercial carrying ITV1, a dancing dog has just won half a million pounds....
This.
We're screwed and the world should end.
AtB, Pyx_e.
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quetzalcoatl
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I'm not sure about justifying the expense, since if we start that argument, where will it end up? Can we justifying the money spent on Homeland? I don't know, I just enjoy it.
Ditto with the Voice. I enjoy it a lot, and there are some good voices on it actually, although I think some of the coaching actually is a hindrance at times!
Miles better than the X-factor, since it has got rid of the humiliation factor, and the hopeless cases.
As others have said, change channel, go for a walk, read a book, write a book, etc.
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doubtingthomas
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Originally posted by Pyx_e:
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Originally posted by lowlands_boy:
Meanwhile over on commercial carrying ITV1, a dancing dog has just won half a million pounds....
This.
We're screwed and the world should end.
AtB, Pyx_e.
Has either of you actually seen the act?
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lowlands_boy
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Originally posted by doubtingthomas:
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Originally posted by Pyx_e:
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Originally posted by lowlands_boy:
Meanwhile over on commercial carrying ITV1, a dancing dog has just won half a million pounds....
This.
We're screwed and the world should end.
AtB, Pyx_e.
Has either of you actually seen the act?
Yes - I saw all the acts.
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Boogie
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Here is a clip in case you are interested.
Re: The Voice. It's certainly a better constructed show than X factor. But I think the choice of songs is too 'shouty' like you say.
Too many tears from the 'coaches' for my liking!
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Pyx_e
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My wife called me in to watch the Welsh Male Voice Choir, they were beaten by a dog.
The Parousia will not be televised.
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Hairy Biker
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However, on BBC there is the Young Musician of the Year. Three young people who really do have talent played 30 minutes of classical music. The winner got ... £2,000 and a trophy. (And you didn't have to wait through a commercial break to find out who had won.)
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Tom Day
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Originally posted by shamwari:
I thought to post this in Heaven.
Can any shipmate justify this exorbitant waste of money?
Around 8 million people are watching the Voice - so probably, for money spent per viewer it does a reasonably good job. Probably more than some of the stuff on BBC 4 or BBC 2 that is educational.
As has been said, the Beeb is there for everyone. If you don't like something, don't watch it. I reckon that over the year I get my moneys worth from them. Their website, Radio coverage on their own are almost worth it I'd say...
Tom
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doubtingthomas
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Originally posted by lowlands_boy:
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Originally posted by doubtingthomas:
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Originally posted by Pyx_e:
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Originally posted by lowlands_boy:
Meanwhile over on commercial carrying ITV1, a dancing dog has just won half a million pounds....
This.
We're screwed and the world should end.
AtB, Pyx_e.
Has either of you actually seen the act?
Yes - I saw all the acts.
So what is screwed up about this?
I thought it was quite an achievement; training a dog like that is a lot of work, and it wasn't only the dog that danced.
This was genuinely different and deserved to win just as much as the 2 singing acts that made it into the final three.
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lilBuddha
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Wonderful. Another "Get off my lawn, ya d@#$ kids!" thread.
Oh right, I don't have to read this.
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the giant cheeseburger
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Originally posted by Tom Day:
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Originally posted by shamwari:
I thought to post this in Heaven.
Can any shipmate justify this exorbitant waste of money?
Around 8 million people are watching the Voice - so probably, for money spent per viewer it does a reasonably good job. Probably more than some of the stuff on BBC 4 or BBC 2 that is educational.
As has been said, the Beeb is there for everyone. If you don't like something, don't watch it. I reckon that over the year I get my moneys worth from them. Their website, Radio coverage on their own are almost worth it I'd say...
Tom
You'll get a similar argument from me here in Australia with the ABC. The only difference is that the ABC is funded by taxes rather than a license fee which covers some of their services and not others, so content other than broadcast media has not had to go down the commercial track like the BBC.
The ABC costs every taxpayer in Australia 10.6¢ per day, which gets you a can of an Atlanta-based beverage about once every two weeks.
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Justinian
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Originally posted by Spike:
That's true, but if you don't have a TV, you have to jump through all sorts of hoops to prove it. The TV Licensing authorities refuse to believe that anyone can possibly live without one. A friend of mine felt as though he was being treated like a criminal with the number of threatening letters he received.
As someone who has never had a TV license, this isn't my experience. The TVLA send you a note after you tell them you don't have a TV thanking you for informing them and saying that they may try to send an agent round to check. I've absolutely no evidence that they ever do send agents round.
On the other hand I know someone who decided the best policy was not to talk to the TVLA. Now they got quite a lot of letters. And most of the websites that give examples of the TVLA being snotty are suggesting being discourteous to them whenever they send letters.
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the giant cheeseburger
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Okay, another thought here.
I don't know the exact specifics of how the UK version of The Voice works in terms of IP ownership, so this is all speculation. I wonder whether the BBC made a calculated decision to buy the rights for a UK version of The Voice based on the cost being offset by revenue they could bring in from selling it to other networks around the world for broadcast, and even possible royalties from CD and download sales as well.
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Ricardus
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Originally posted by Justinian:
On the other hand I know someone who decided the best policy was not to talk to the TVLA. Now they got quite a lot of letters. And most of the websites that give examples of the TVLA being snotty are suggesting being discourteous to them whenever they send letters.
I don't have a licence and I don't talk to the TVLA. The letters they send aren't just snotty, they are written in a deliberately misleading way to suggest court proceedings are imminent when they are not.
The last one I got included the line 'we want to make sure you have all the information you need before a court appearance is set. You may take this into court with you.' Now in fact if you read down towards the bottom of the page it becomes obvious that no court proceedings have been initiated and this is just another boilerplate bluff. It is this deceptiveness I find despicable.
Now I could stop these letters by telling them I don't have a licence, but I don't see why I should invite some stranger into my home to go poking round to see if I've got a telly or not - regardless of whether they're actually likely to come. Any more than I would want Aldi coming round to make sure I've got receipts for all my groceries.
ETA: the other issue is that the TVLA don't seem to have any mechanism for checking whether a home is occupied or not. When they sent the mock 'court summons' letter, for all they knew I could have just moved in.
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