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chive

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I understand you have small children and small children make a noise. I don't mind the noise that yours make. I understand there are five of you in a small two bedroom house so that you're overcrowded which isn't ideal. I understand that you can't be expected to regulate your noise by the fact I work shifts and I'm genuinely not bothered by your doing diy when I'm trying to sleep when I get home from a night shift.

What I don't like is when I hear you screaming 'you're just a stupid fucking cunt' at your three year old. That just isn't nice.

I don't like the fact you decided to have a drunken argument until half past six this morning. An argument that was loud enough for me to hear every single bloody word. An argument that I found distressing enough to spend the night curled up in bed crying and throwing valium down my neck.

I don't like the fact that when I knocked on your door and politely asked if you would be a bit quieter, you told me to fuck off. I don't like the fact that the police won't deal with noise complaints and that the council will only deal with them if I've put in a complaint to them during office hours.

I don't like the fact that you think it's funny once I've complained to stand at the front door and repeatedly slam it shouting, 'that will keep the fucking whining bitch next door awake.'

I'm not asking for silence. I can even put up with the fact you have a dart board against our adjoining walls and I have to endlessly hear the thump, thump, thump of your stupid darts. All I'm asking is that you behave like reasonable people and try to vaguely keep the noise below forty billion decibels at night time.

Please just shut the fuck up.

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Yes, the noise of the adults usually is more distressing than the noise of the children. Especially when they choose to yell like a fish-wife at their child (or dog) when they are as close to your ears as possible.

Buy some ear-plugs and send them the bill.

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orfeo

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quote:
Originally posted by chive:
I don't like the fact that the police won't deal with noise complaints

Gosh, really? That's unfortunate. I would have hoped that when the noise consists of yelling and screaming abuse, they WOULD be dealing with it.

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Yeah, try calling it in as a domestic disturbance rather than a noisy neighbour.

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Or a child protection issue - you might get the duty social worker out.

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All of the above posts offer very good advice and will likely get more attention - especially when child abuse may be occurring. Do be careful for your own personal safety as that type are prone to retaliation.

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I too have suffered from this sort of thing. The Council should have a noise pollution thingy - you log all the noise, ask them to call and wait for ever until they come around, by which time everyone is so pissed that they fall asleep and the noise stops.

But if you persist, they have to log all complaints and eventually something happens.

It is frustrating but eventually you get somewhere.

[ 08. September 2012, 18:35: Message edited by: leo ]

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The child tormenting is sickening, beyond understanding. Keep calling protective service.

But, as far as your battle beyond that, it is a sensory one, and needs to be fought that way. If you can get out to garage sales this weekend, try to pick up some nauseating CDs, such as Bary Manillow, Tammy Wynette singing gospel songs, KC & the Sunshine Band, all kinds of dumb shit. Then, pick up some old-style stereo speakers if you can find them. Unless you have a crockpot, pick up one at a garage sale.
Then, go home, mount the big speakers on the wall on each side of where the dart board is located on their side, and hook it to your CD player. Fill the crockpot with disgustingly smelly cauliflaur, beef liver, beets, curry and oregano, chicken livers, etc, and store it in the fridge.
Then next time the dart game starts, teach them behaviour modification by playing random and non-stop repeating CDs of, say, Ah Gew Tah Thah Gahden Aaaloowwne and turn on the crock pot without the lid on. Then go to the park for four hours, and feed the ducks.
Visual warfare may include chubby friends holding a lingerie party on your patio, etc.
Anyhow, you get the idea, fight the fuckers head on!

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Nice post, LBC, if that would do anything helpful to Chive I'd be with you, but I doubt it.

I think CK has it. From what you say, Chive, there's emotional abuse of at least one child going on there. Calling a child a cunt? Never mind raising children in such an environment. Keep a diary of what you hear, and when you have enough evidence go to social services. It'll be good for the kids, hopefully for the whole family, and ultimately for your peace of mind.

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My friend with noisy (but not abusive) neighbours took up the drums, neighbours are now quieter, but her daughter (who is now a teenager) is still going to drumming classes every week.

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I have nothing to say about the child nastiness except to say that it's ugly and makes me nearly homicidal. Same with people yelling or harming animals.... grrrrrrrrrrr!

But I can definitely relate to the annoying noises of some neighbors. Below our apartment is a newly married couple that just moved into our little co-op. They're young and seem nice and the wife is about to pop out a baby any time now but her husband is driving me and my significant others positively batty. His trouble? He is a bass guitar player. Now, normally, that wouldn't bother me or wife #1 because we are both drummers (although we don't own drum sets, per se at the moment but I do have an African hand drum) but I only play my djembe from early afternoon until 5 pm or so. no one has ever complained. This guy, though, cranks up ye olde bass at 11:00 p.m. and continues until... well, whenever the hell he feels like stopping. We gave him the benefit of the doubt the first time but he kept doing it and I had to have a little chat with him. I'm on the board of directors of our little co-op and you'd think he might be mature enough to get the hint, but no, no, no, he just keeps playing that old bass and we keep grinding our teeth and muttering under our breath... yesterday morning I was being slightly juvenile in return and played my djembe VERY loudly in our bedroom that's just above their's. Childish, I know. [Biased] I also notified the other board members about what's going on so some of THEM can confront this clueless fool.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bean Sidhe:
Nice post, LBC, if that would do anything helpful to Chive I'd be with you, but I doubt it.

I think CK has it. From what you say, Chive, there's emotional abuse of at least one child going on there. Calling a child a cunt? Never mind raising children in such an environment. Keep a diary of what you hear, and when you have enough evidence go to social services. It'll be good for the kids, hopefully for the whole family, and ultimately for your peace of mind.

I hear stuff around here that would curl your hair. I don't know if it's an African American thing or what but there are some women in the Atlanta area that treat their children so horribly I want to grab them and shake them until they stop breathing. One time I was waiting for the subway and some woman was screeching at top volume at her two little boys, who couldn't have been older than three. This is the shortened version of what I heard: "Javon! You a stupid little fool! Don't be trying to steal my french fries! I'm gonna kick your ass, boy! You better stop that crying or I'm gonna slap your head so hard, your face gonna be on the ground!" then she did wallop the one she called Javon. Of course he let out a wail of pain and then the other kid took that moment to grab at momma's precious fucking french fries (sorry, I'm getting angry thinking about this again) and she hauled off and belted him across the face while screaming, "You stop reaching for them fries, boy! Stop that crying, you little shit!". No one did anything and I wanted to intervene... but I was terrified of the woman, too. She was huge and mean and she looked like she would kill anyone. I felt so sorry for those children. They're going to grow up and abuse other people...

The reason why I said it seems like an African American thing around here is that this, unfortunately isn't an isolated incident. I once asked a black friend about this and she said that a lot of black women don't want their children to grow up "soft" so they yell at them and demean them because in the world at large, it's going to be worse. Really? If that's true, Jesus, that's awful...

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quote:
...he kept doing it and I had to have a little chat with him. I'm on the board of directors of our little co-op... I also notified the other board members about what's going on..
Now that he knows how important you are I expect he'll adjust his behaviour accordingly.
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In the UK, the social services will - at minimum - visit for a credible report of a blow to the head. Because it is dangerous.

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This is definitely a Child Protection matter. Make a note of everything that has happened including all dates and times. If you are in the UK there will always be a Duty Social Worker to answer the phone if it occurs again at night time. This level of abuse makes it very likely that the behaviour has crossed the threshold for at least an ISO. You should put everything in writing and cc it to the Director of Children's Services.

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quote:
Originally posted by The5thMary:
The reason why I said it seems like an African American thing around here is that this, unfortunately isn't an isolated incident. I once asked a black friend about this and she said that a lot of black women don't want their children to grow up "soft" so they yell at them and demean them because in the world at large, it's going to be worse.

Cultural differences are obviously an issue here in how we react to others' behaviour, especially in a place like London where we have pretty much every culture on earth living together. I was talking once with an immigrant friend, middle-class professional, politically liberal (we were both card-carrying Liberal Democrats at the time, me no longer!) I was shaken when he told me one thing he found hard in this country was that he couldn't beat his children without Social Services knocking on his door. When I took issue with this, he said I couldn't comment, because I couldn't understand where he was coming from. As a teacher, I learnt to be very cautious in what I said to parents from some cultural backgrounds, for fear of what I would consider unacceptable consequences for the child at home. Is it racist for me to think like this? I wouldn't say so, but I think the subtext of what my Lib Dem friend said to me was, that he thought so.

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It's not racist at all. Beating children is wrong and against the law in this country. I appreciate that many teachers are circumspect in the language they use when discussing the behaviour and progress of some children to some parents from African and Caribbean backgrounds. Nevertheless, if one knows or suspects that that a child is being beaten they are duty bound to report it to Social Serveices.

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And on the issue of being harsh on your children because it's a harsh world, a relative - white European - who has lived in the US for 30+ years and raised two boys there - told me once that he felt he had to be quite brutal with his sons because America is a brutal country and they had to learn to survive. I make no comment about his belief there... I've never spent more than a couple of weeks at a time in America, never got that impression but I'm in no position to argue... but if ever I'd felt the need to be 'brutal' with my children for such a reason I'd have moved. Can't help the suspicion that talk like that is just people rationalising their own inclinations.

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Many, many years ago, we had this issue, and the only solution was to move. Nothing else worked. We actually ended up with 7 neighbour families confronting the family, and encouraged them to call the police. Which they didn't. It was then we moved.

The difference in our situation to the one described in the OP, is the addition of the neighbour's music choice. They owned the album "Footloose", movie soundtrack. I hate hate hate hate hate the movie and music as a consequence. Pu that together with yelling and feed me cilantro and I will be certain I've gone to hell. The bass line alone of Footloose creates waves of maniacal anger within my very soul.

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Mr P found that Das Lied von der Erde at 7 am was a good response to Bruce Springsteen 6 hours earlier; it was certainly more effective than calling the police.

(Fortunately the couple who lived in the flat below him preferred Mahler to Springsteen and did not object. )

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orfeo

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I don't mind Mahler, but having that last movement kick in at around 7:30 in the morning would be a bit of a downer...

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Meh, it reminds me of the time I tried playing Gregorian chant while my suitemates very noisily got it on as I tried to study.

You'd be surprised what fails to turn some people off.

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In college I put on a stack of Karlheinz Stockhausen LPs, turned up the volume, locked my door, and left for the evening. The loud stereo down the hall was much quieter after that.

But there weren't children involved or abuse (except to my eardrums).

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quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
I don't mind Mahler, but having that last movement kick in at around 7:30 in the morning would be a bit of a downer...

I understand that the chap upstairs had left the flat well before that.

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quote:
Originally posted by The5thMary:
and she hauled off and belted him across the face while screaming, "You stop reaching for them fries, boy! Stop that crying, you little shit!". No one did anything and I wanted to intervene... but I was terrified of the woman, too. She was huge and mean and she looked like she would kill anyone.

I don't think I would have been able to stop myself from going into a near-murderous rage at that filthy, evil bitch. Huge and mean doesn't really stop when someone goes insane the way I suspect I would. Evil monster.

Sorry, I was abused myself.

Chive, I'd definitely call the authorities about the child abuse. I wish someone had intervened earlier in my own case.

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[Tangent] Chast, it's great to have you back but your new avatar is confusing me no end. [/Tangent]

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Oh, very well. [Hot and Hormonal] Fixed!

[ 10. September 2012, 08:25: Message edited by: ChastMastr ]

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I saw a large man shouting obscenities at a small child near the start of a train journey (we got on at the first station) with several empty cans of strong cider on the table.

I get cross with my children, but wouldn't dream of shouting at a five year old that she is a bitch or a cunt. What kind of person is that child going to grow into?

I briefly contemplated telling the train conductor or phoning the police but the got to our station and got off. Maybe I should have done more.

I don't even know if the police would have done anything. :s

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quote:
Originally posted by ChastMastr:
Oh, very well. [Hot and Hormonal] Fixed!

Many thanks [Yipee]

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quote:
Originally posted by Bean Sidhe:
And on the issue of being harsh on your children because it's a harsh world, a relative - white European - who has lived in the US for 30+ years and raised two boys there - told me once that he felt he had to be quite brutal with his sons because America is a brutal country and they had to learn to survive. ...

The problem with that strategy is that the kids end up feeling totally unsafe in the world AND at home. I much prefer the approach that the world is a tough place, but there's at least one place you're safe: home.

I have to confess that when I witness the sorts of public incidents cited above, my only thought is to get away before *I* have a meltdown. I've even heard shit like that sitting in my psychiatrist's waiting room - a father telling his son he was a loser and a quitter, just before they went in to see the kid's shrink. WTF????

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I've even heard shit like that sitting in my psychiatrist's waiting room - a father telling his son he was a loser and a quitter, just before they went in to see the kid's shrink. WTF????

Was the son a loser and a quitter?

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I don't know how such things work in the UK, but those lovely next door neighbors are asking for a visit from Child Protection.

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Document. Call Child Services. Call them again each time there's an occurence.

And the Learn To Speak Klingon tapes are lovely at 6am if your neighbor does not understand the concept of quiet hours.

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Spiffy--

Are there any tapes of Klingon opera? [Smile]

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That is an excellent question you honourless petahk.

I found Klingon war song. The words are better than the singing (and your blood is like water).

I like the Klingon Drinking Song better (and you smell like a Ferengi's grandmother).

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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
Spiffy--

Are there any tapes of Klingon opera? [Smile]

Or Vogon poetry? [Big Grin]

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I just remembered something I've used effectively against Stompy McStompsalot, my next door neighbor in my flats-- Noisecore.

It's theoretically music, but as far as I can tell the point is to make LOUD! NOISES!

Turn your speakers way down and give this a go. Bonus points if you put a subwoofer against an exterior wall.

This should really be considered weaponized noise.

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!Vogons! I almost added them to my post, but couldn't remember their name! Thanks, Huia!

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This is all very funny but I do hope the OP has not failed to report posdible child abuse.

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quote:
Originally posted by saysay:
quote:
Originally posted by Soror Magna:
I've even heard shit like that sitting in my psychiatrist's waiting room - a father telling his son he was a loser and a quitter, just before they went in to see the kid's shrink. WTF????

Was the son a loser and a quitter?
Is anyone ever wholely defined by one characteristic in life ?

Are we back to your hot button issue about whatever you were alleged to have done/said to your/someone else's child that you keep dropping hints about, again ?

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Would that a swift phone call to social services could solve this problem in the UK.

And why not? Because our sodding govt has seen fit to cut/cut/cut the hours, staff, clerical and admin help, expenses, supervision, sensible management and every last single thing that made that job Just About Bearable.

Don't believe me? Sadly just look at the adverts for agency staff to cover Duty Social Workers, esp at the weekend. Look and weep.

Blessed are we in the UK with a family court system that no one believes in any longer. A not-at-all-joined-up social services, ineptitude when it comes to handling 'the public'...and finally everyone running scared of lawyers and loosing their jobs.

I'd go with being kind to the neighbours and hope to hell that they thaw.
Or moving.

Possibly phoning the NSPCC might help.

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Yes, I've phoned the NSPCC about the situation with the children.

I don't think being an arse and being loud back would achieve anything - it just escalates the situation. And as I live in a terrace, playing loud music would piss off the lovely quiet neighbours that live on the other side. I bought my house nine years ago, there have been five different people living at the house the noisy neighbours live in and this is the first time I've had any problems.

To be honest I just wanted to rant after 48 hours without sleep because of them.

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quote:
Originally posted by saysay:
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Originally posted by Soror Magna:
I've even heard shit like that sitting in my psychiatrist's waiting room - a father telling his son he was a loser and a quitter, just before they went in to see the kid's shrink. WTF????

Was the son a loser and a quitter?
The son was certainly a loser in having a father who would treat him in that manner.

The more interesting point is wich insults and derogatory comments are acceptable in your view for a father to berate his child with in front of other people, even if they are true?

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quote:
Originally posted by Doublethink:
quote:
Originally posted by saysay:
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Originally posted by Soror Magna:
I've even heard shit like that sitting in my psychiatrist's waiting room - a father telling his son he was a loser and a quitter, just before they went in to see the kid's shrink. WTF????

Was the son a loser and a quitter?
Is anyone ever wholely defined by one characteristic in life ?
No, of course not, and only an idiot would think so. However, if you lose a game, you are in fact the loser in that game, and if you quit the game because you lost once, you are in fact a quitter at that point in your life. Telling someone that is not in itself abusive just as a kid refusing to play a game with another kid is not bullying them and sending kid A to an "alternative" school to stop their "bullying behavior" is not going to help anyone. (Though I do agree that the behavior in the OP sounds appalling and should be reported).

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Are we back to your hot button issue about whatever you were alleged to have done/said to your/someone else's child that you keep dropping hints about, again ?
When the thought police disappear from the US and the majority of rich white women in this country stop being selfish crazy bitches I'll shut up about my stupid irrational hot button issue.

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quote:
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When the thought police disappear from the US and the majority of rich white women in this country stop being selfish crazy bitches I'll shut up about my stupid irrational hot button issue.

I thought you only hung out with the poor and unemployed.
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Originally posted by RuthW:
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Originally posted by saysay:
When the thought police disappear from the US and the majority of rich white women in this country stop being selfish crazy bitches I'll shut up about my stupid irrational hot button issue.

I thought you only hung out with the poor and unemployed.
Now you're just being silly. I only want to hang out with the poor and unemployed, as they seem* to be the only people left in this country with an ounce of human decency or common sense, but it's hard to avoid rich white women. They're everywhere.

*yeah, I know, things aren't always what they seem.

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If you make that middle-aged, rich, white women you'll have the bigotry trifecta.

[ 11. September 2012, 17:16: Message edited by: Doublethink ]

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How do most people define 'middle-aged'? Because it's really the spoiled brats in the 20-40 range that are causing me my problems, and while the high end might count as middle-aged, I doubt most would, and they would all be mightily insulted to be called middle-aged.

But, you know, now that you point it out, I think maybe redefining the word in idiosyncratic ways to hit the bigotry trifecta might be a good move right about now.

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Maybe it's just that SaySay cares deeply about rich white women, and is only saying that they act like crazy bitches out of his concern for them.

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Sorry; selfish crazy bitches; musn't leave out selfish; it is wrong to misinterpret what saysay has written.

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