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balaam
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There's been another fucking school shooting in America. USA Today How long will it take before they realise that if you make guns available people get shot. Children as young as five too.
Bastard gun control laws.
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The counter gun control argument comes down to "then only criminals will have guns". Seems to me we'd have quite a lot fewer shootings then.
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Clearly Connecticut needs to start arming its schoolchildren. If those fourth-graders had been armed, they could have protected themselves.
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And already the "not the time to discuss" statements are being issued. If not now, when? Obviously never.
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The bulletheads claim it's not the fault of the guns or the good, decent, Christian gun-owners, but the crazies. But they fight tooth and nail against laws like background checks which could help to keep guns out of the hands of the crazies. Giving lie to the sincerity of this and every other argument they make.
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It's ten years since the film 'Bowling for Columbine'.
No lessons have been learned.
None.
![[Votive]](graemlins/votive.gif) ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Siegfried:
And already the "not the time to discuss" statements are being issued. If not now, when? Obviously never.
Has any of them yet said that it was done by a "liberal" in order to increase sympathy for gun control?
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and if you dig deep enough, you get the folks who want to be sure they can defend themselves when the government comes after them. Oh wait--that doesn't take much digging at all. See "Second Amendment Remedies" and so on.
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When grenade launchers are outlawed, only outlaws will have grenade launchers.
Grenade launchers don't kill people, PEOPLE kill people.
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Horrible, heartbreaking. From reports over here, sounds like another heavily armed "lone nut".
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
Horrible, heartbreaking. From reports over here, sounds like another heavily armed "lone nut".
We have an unending supply.
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Naw the scape goats probably going to be violent computers games again. The fact that this turned out to be a lie last time didn't stop them reporting thus.
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Siegfried
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Originally posted by George Spigot:
Naw the scape goats probably going to be violent computers games again. The fact that this turned out to be a lie last time didn't stop them reporting thus.
Not as likely, as the reports are that the shooter was an adult--possibly a parent.
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Newest reports say the shooter was 20 years old, so definitely it was violent video games.
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Mere Nick
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It appears two people were involved. At the high school my wife is retiring from today there is usually only one armed guy there so two would overwhelm him right off the bat. It's a shame that it is against the law for trained teachers and other school personnel to be armed and that the children are left as sitting ducks.
In China it appears the preferred way to attack school children is with a knife.
So far the killing of 42 with bombs in 1927 is still the record in the US.
But, if the problem is really guns then we need to disarm the Secret Service and the Capital Police.
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ToujoursDan
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They've retracted the two person theory. Evidently, the shooter killed one of his parents in New Jersey before setting off for Connecticut. They are saying that he had ties to the school (parent? who knows?) and that most of the fatalities occurred in one classroom.
Yes, I'm pissed off about the lax gun laws that allow anyone to act out their violent fantasies, but I'm also pissed about our attitudes toward mental illness.
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Really?
(xposted--I'm in stunned disbelief at Mere Nick's post)
[ 14. December 2012, 18:28: Message edited by: Siegfried ]
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Originally posted by Mere Nick:
It's a shame that it is against the law for trained teachers and other school personnel to be armed and that the children are left as sitting ducks.
Fuck the assertion that the answer to gun violence is to arm everyone. All this would have done is double the casualty count. The shooter still would have had the element of surprise. Arming teachers would have introduced a continual danger that a teacher's gun would be misused by kids.
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Singer-songwriter Cheryl Wheeler says it better than I could.
The Second Amendment right movement/NRA is one of the many things that I am still struggling to understand about America.
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balaam
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Originally posted by Boogie:
It's ten years since the film 'Bowling for Columbine'.
No lessons have been learned.
That's because it was made by a Goddamn Commie.
It's about time people stopped dismissing arguments because of the writers politics and discussed what they actually have to say.
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As a Brit, my thoughts went straight to the Dunblane school massacre and now I am knocked sideways by anger and grief.
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Mere Nick
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Originally posted by ToujoursDan:
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Originally posted by Mere Nick:
It's a shame that it is against the law for trained teachers and other school personnel to be armed and that the children are left as sitting ducks.
Fuck the assertion that the answer to gun violence is to arm everyone. All this would have done is double the casualty count. The shooter still would have had the element of surprise. Arming teachers would have introduced a continual danger that a teacher's gun would be misused by kids.
No one made that assertion. I said arm properly trained individuals such as some teachers and other personnel. My wife was a teacher. I'd rather her have the ability to defend herself then have to wait for cops. But cops must be bad, too, since they carry guns and the gun is the problem.
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I can't bear to look at the pictures of the parents hugging their children and taking them home, knowing that there are those who won't get to do that.
Is the freedom to own assault weapons really worth the sacrifice of these lives? ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif) Yes, the gunman is to blame, but someone made the guns, someone sold them to him, someone sold him the ammo -- they are all complicit. Yes, knives and cars can also cause death, but their primary purposes are not lethal. The primary purpose for assault weapons is to kill people.
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ToujoursDan
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No one made that assertion. I said arm properly trained individuals such as some teachers and other personnel.
Which in most cases wouldn't make a difference. Unless the teacher has a gun in his/her hand ready to shoot, someone who walks into a school would have had the element of surprise.
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My wife was a teacher. I'd rather her have the ability to defend herself then have to wait for cops. But cops must be bad, too, since they carry guns and the gun is the problem.
This is one of the stupidest things anyone has ever written on SOF (and that is saying alot). It's the easy availablility of guns that are the problem. It's that any one can get their hands one one without a background check; without questions; without psychological tests that is the problem.
Cops go through psychological tests, continual monitoring and evaluation and ongoing training you fucking moron.
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Mere Nick
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Originally posted by ToujoursDan:
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No one made that assertion. I said arm properly trained individuals such as some teachers and other personnel.
Which in most cases wouldn't make a difference. Unless the teacher has a gun in his/her hand ready to shoot, someone who walks into a school would have had the element of surprise.
Only in that particular classroom.
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My wife was a teacher. I'd rather her have the ability to defend herself then have to wait for cops. But cops must be bad, too, since they carry guns and the gun is the problem.
This is one of the stupidest things anyone has ever written on SOF (and that is saying alot). It's the easy availablility of guns that are the problem. It's that any one can get their hands one one without a background check; without questions; without psychological tests that is the problem.
Cops go through psychological tests, continual monitoring and evaluation and ongoing training you fucking moron. [/QUOTE]
Only a fucking moron thinks they can keep guns out of the hands of someone who really wants one, you asshole.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Mere Nick:
It's a shame that it is against the law for trained teachers and other school personnel to be armed and that the children are left as sitting ducks.
Yeah, because children caught in the cross-fire, bullets flying from both directions, are far less likely to be shot than children only being shot at from one side.
And teachers never lose it, so arming them presents no danger. Nor is it ever possible for a schoolchild to get one of the teacher's guns.
You really are fucked up. You will say anything to defend guns. It's like they're your god.
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ToujoursDan
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Only a fucking moron thinks they can keep guns out of the hands of someone who really wants one, you asshole.
And only someone with shit for brains thinks that making it more difficult won't reduce the likelihood of people resorting to gun violence, idiot.
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RuthW
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Originally posted by Mere Nick:
Only a fucking moron thinks they can keep guns out of the hands of someone who really wants one, you asshole.
Civilized nations manage. Someday perhaps the US will join them. Not that I'm holding my breath.
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Originally posted by Inanna:
Singer-songwriter Cheryl Wheeler says it better than I could.
The Second Amendment right movement/NRA is one of the many things that I am still struggling to understand about America.
I understand it on the basis that had the ordinary citizens been armed 250 years ago there would never have been an independent America. But that was then and this is now.
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Mere Nick
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Originally posted by RuthW:
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Originally posted by Mere Nick:
Only a fucking moron thinks they can keep guns out of the hands of someone who really wants one, you asshole.
Civilized nations manage. Someday perhaps the US will join them. Not that I'm holding my breath.
No matter where you are you can get one if you really want it just like booze and dope.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Mere Nick:
Only a fucking moron thinks they can keep guns out of the hands of someone who really wants one, you asshole.
Would you care to accept the possession of nuclear weapons by Iran, North Korea, Israel, Palestine and whoever is in charge in Somalia this week? All nations have the right to defend themselves.
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ToujoursDan
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People will still have accidents so why have traffic laws? People will still smoke cigarettes so why restrict their sale? People will still take crystal meth, so why not let every corner store sell it? Underage kids will still drink alcohol, so why not serve it in school cafeterias?
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
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Originally posted by Mere Nick:
Only a fucking moron thinks they can keep guns out of the hands of someone who really wants one, you asshole.
Would you care to accept the possession of nuclear weapons by Iran, North Korea, Israel, Palestine and whoever is in charge in Somalia this week? All nations have the right to defend themselves.
Nuclear weapons don't kill people. PEOPLE kill people.
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Originally posted by Mere Nick:
Only a fucking moron thinks they can keep guns out of the hands of someone who really wants one, you asshole.
You don't get it. Someone flips and loses it - a gun is handy, they use it. If there is no handy gun they won't, they'll use something far less damaging. These people are not in their right mind. It isn't a case of 'really wanting' a gun.
Guns shouldn't be available except to the police and the military. And not to the police as routine.
Sport guns should be kept on site and under lock and key.
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Originally posted by Mere Nick:
Only a fucking moron thinks they can keep guns out of the hands of someone who really wants one, you asshole.
No, it is not an instantly solved problem, but the number of guns available could be significantly reduced. And without a reduction in civil liberties.* But this would take an unprecedented level of cooperation, so not likely any time soon.
*Other than the right to pack heat.
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Mere Nick
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Only a fucking moron thinks they can keep guns out of the hands of someone who really wants one, you asshole.
And only someone with shit for brains thinks that making it more difficult won't reduce the likelihood of people resorting to gun violence, idiot.
Only a wishful thinking douchebag thinks these deranged mass killers give a flying piece of decroded crap about any law you can come up with and let it stand in the way of their getting what they need to pull off their wicked scheme. You asshole.
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
I understand it on the basis that had the ordinary citizens been armed 250 years ago there would never have been an independent America. But that was then and this is now.
Forgive me if I am wrong but doesn't the Second Amendment say a 'well-regulated militia' rather than every Tom, Dick and Harry?
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Originally posted by balaam:
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Originally posted by Boogie:
It's ten years since the film 'Bowling for Columbine'.
No lessons have been learned.
That's because it was made by a Goddamn Commie.
Well that and the fact that, like all Michael Moore films, it's riddled with inaccuracies and fabrications.
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Originally posted by Mere Nick:
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Originally posted by RuthW:
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Originally posted by Mere Nick:
Only a fucking moron thinks they can keep guns out of the hands of someone who really wants one, you asshole.
Civilized nations manage. Someday perhaps the US will join them. Not that I'm holding my breath.
No matter where you are you can get one if you really want it just like booze and dope.
You really need to educate yourself. You seem to have some free time at the moment to defend your ill-informed views on gun availability, so maybe have a hunt 'round the ol' internet and you might find little gems of knowledge like this: look at chart 4 and then tell us whether gun control has an effect on gun violence.
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Originally posted by Boogie:
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Originally posted by Mere Nick:
Only a fucking moron thinks they can keep guns out of the hands of someone who really wants one, you asshole.
You don't get it. Someone flips and loses it - a gun is handy, they use it. If there is no handy gun they won't, they'll use something far less damaging. These people are not in their right mind. It isn't a case of 'really wanting' a gun.
Guns shouldn't be available except to the police and the military. And not to the police as routine.
Sport guns should be kept on site and under lock and key.
I have six or seven guns and will not be giving them up.
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ToujoursDan
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And only someone with their head up their ass can't realize that if the law makes it more difficult to get their hand on a gun in the first place when these people do snap it will be more difficult to use a gun to act out.
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Originally posted by Mere Nick:
Only a wishful thinking douchebag thinks these deranged mass killers give a flying piece of decroded crap about any law you can come up with and let it stand in the way of their getting what they need to pull off their wicked scheme.
None of us think that. What we think is that non-deranged people can and should make sure deranged people don't obtain guns.
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Originally posted by Jonathan Strange:
Forgive me if I am wrong but doesn't the Second Amendment say a 'well-regulated militia' rather than every Tom, Dick and Harry?
How sensible of you, reading the actual document.
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I have six or seven guns and will not be giving them up.
Lets just hope you remain in sound mind then.
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Originally posted by Mere Nick:
I have six or seven guns and will not be giving them up.
Lets just hope you remain in sound mind then.
Aw crap...
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Originally posted by Mere Nick:
I have six or seven guns and will not be giving them up.
Be a good idea to know exactly how many in case one goes missing.
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A few years ago the right-wingers on the SCOTUS decided that "well-regulated militia" is a synonym for "any nut who wants to pack heat."
The NRA's logic dictates that either everyone must be armed, or no one. I prefer the latter, because the former leads inevitably to even more events like this. The moral vacuity of claiming that the deaths of 18 children (and two people in Oregon, 32 at Virginia Tech, etc. ad infinitum) is an acceptable price to pay for the freedom to feel the illusion of security and power is just contemptible.
BTW, there were at least two people I've read of carrying concealed pistols at the Gabrielle Giffords shooting--neither one was able to draw until it was all over.
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The triumphally ignorant and despicable fuckwaddery spewed forth by U.S.-ians such as Mere Nick IS the root of the problem.
[ 14. December 2012, 19:17: Message edited by: malik3000 ]
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Jonathan Strange
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Someone attacked a school in China today with a knife. No-one died. Link to story.
For those who love guns more than children - go fuck yourselves.
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ToujoursDan
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Let's say all unregulated handguns are banned. An otherwise law abiding citizen (as the shooters in Portland, Tucson, Colorado, etc all have been) wants to go out in a blaze of glory by shooting up a classroom. Is it easier to go to a advertised gun show or established gun shop where anyone can walk in and they are sold without question, or in the absence of these channels (as they are made illegal) have to network in order to find someone who knows someone who may want to sell a gun illegally? Which is going to take more effort? Which is going to raise the most suspicion?
It's a matter of degree.
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