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Thread: Abbreviations
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Thurible
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Essentially, I agree.
The alleged bovine connotations hadn't even occurred to me - and I had to look for a few seconds to see what TonyK meant before I got it.
Are we really banned from using Co[f]W?
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TonyK
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Please see my reply on the original thread.
Thank you.
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Sergius-Melli
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1. I have never used the term 'priestess' - although by all means point me to where I have, I use the term female/woman Priest if anything, so please dock that from my warrant card...
2. I feel you are reading too much into an acronym... ECW - although fitting in with the OoW mould it should be ECoW, but hey - (Episcopal Consecration of Women) is a non-started and bad use of terminology. People are Consecrated to the Episcopate so to say Episcopal Consecration is just saying the same thing twice, the only other time that I can think where women are consecrated is if they are Virgins, where the acronym would be CoV (Consecration of Virgins) as opposed to Virginal Consecration of Women which would indicate somethign else I would have thought.
I say again it is bad use of terminology to suggest ECW - the correct acronym is CoW (following in the mould of the OoW acronym, and for saying plainly what it is.) The alternative I can suggest if it suits you is EoWttE, but that seems a little longwinded for an acronym.
As you rightly point out nobody has called me to hell over this, from which I gather nobody seems to have had a problem, and as I have pointed out over and over again I am a firm supported of the Consecration of Women, so I imagine the reason for no hell call is the fact that people know I am not making a derogatory point, nor seeking to insult, but using what is a common sense acronym. So I suggest that you are demonstrating an over-sensitivity on this matter...
I have reposted my response from here .
I take your point on the other thread TonyK that you were not saying I had used the term 'priestess', just under the general thrust of your post it had seemed like it.
As for your search of google, just because an abbreviation does not appear does not invalidate it as an abbreviation. Abbreviations, as all words, start a life somewhere, whether they are kept on or discarded is dependent on the use of language. I do wonder what abbreviations had appeared, if any during your search?
I don't think that the abbreviation CoW is particularly unnacceptable as its use is within the context of what is being written, which is within a sentence that is talking about doing something rather than describing something. (The abbreviation being used as a verb, I guess is the easiest way to say it, as opposed to an adjective). It would, I imagine, just be as acceptable/unacceptable to use the accronym in a discussion on the Consecration of different ethnic groups if such were to come up (where CoW might refer to the Consecration of Whites) and would not be understood as an insult as it would be an easy abbreviation in the context of the discussion - unless of course I am a self-hating white...
I think I would like some further clarification on this issue, and whether it be an admin, host or community decision on what accronyms are acceptable and then can we have a decision from teh relevant group on whether an acronym is or is not allowed...
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Louise
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To Thurible - Church of Wales/CoW is normal and fine - see the confusion caused here when the normal and well-known abbreviation was suddenly applied to something else.
[ 23. January 2013, 14:55: Message edited by: Louise ]
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seasick
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The Welsh Anglican Church is the Church in Wales, generally abbreviated to CinW.
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Louise
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Ooops sorry - being a Presbyterian I don't know all these abbreviations. It confuses the hell out of me too!
[In fact I'm under-caffeinated and totally got the wrong end of the stick on what Thurible was saying I though he was referring to the same confusion as iamchristianhearmeroar]
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Carys
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I have to say that I have no issue with the use of CoW and hadn't noticed the word it spelt , but given the CofE now use ordain not consecrate of bishops, OoWttE of OoWaB might work ie OoW to the episcopate or as bishops.
But mostly I would like Sergius to answer my post to him on that thread
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Sergius-Melli
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Originally posted by Carys:
I have to say that I have no issue with the use of CoW and hadn't noticed the word it spelt , but given the CofE now use ordain not consecrate of bishops, OoWttE of OoWaB might work ie OoW to the episcopate or as bishops.
To me that is a complete rewriting of terminology, and represents a complete rewriting of theology in this area, and the CofE should know better!
I shall return to post on the thread once I have a deffinative answer to whether I can continue to use an acronym that seems to have been perfectly ok with the general community for a month or whether I must desist - and from there I shall have to decide what I do as I refuse to use any acronym which is misusing terminology or which represents a rewrite of theology to continue to answer a post.
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Doublethink.
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Perhaps don't use an acronym ? Just use the words.
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Thurible
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Possibly the best course but where would we be without ITTWACW?
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RooK
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Originally posted by Sergius-Melli:
I shall return to post on the thread once I have a deffinative answer
The Hostly decision to request that the term "CoW" not be used with respect to issues regarding women's rights is definitively supported by the Administration. Dead Horses has enough touchy subject matter to make discussion difficult without this kind of potentially puerile comment.
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The Silent Acolyte
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Originally posted by Doublethink:
Perhaps don't use an acronym ? Just use the words.
Indeed. Y'all touch type, right? And, it's not as though the price of letters has gone up or that you're paying line charges by the byte.
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