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Thread: Geoffery Clark, Formerly of UKIP you are a vile creature
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Matt Black
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Shooting fish in a barrel or what!
PCC needs to boot him off
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I'm impressed that he's managed to come up with a position that is offensive to pretty much everyone on every side of the abortion debate.
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Jane R
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Never mind abortion, one of his other targets is the provision of medical care to the over-80s - with a side order of euthanasia for those who require expensive procedures. He doesn't actually say 'compulsory euthanasia' but it would only be a matter of time.
That's my mother-in-law you're talking about, you pathetic excuse for a human being. You think people should be forced to commit suicide for the good of the state? You first.
I don't care if UKIP have expelled him now - they are now level with the BNP on my list of 'Parties I Will Never Vote For'.
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fletcher christian
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It reads like a bad joke
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Anglican't
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Originally posted by Jane R:
I don't care if UKIP have expelled him now - they are now level with the BNP on my list of 'Parties I Will Never Vote For'.
If I was going to be fair to UKIP (though I'm not sure that I should be) this chap is only a local council candidate. I imagine local council candidates from the mainstream political parties hold a range of equally dotty views.
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fletcher christian
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Except they aren't really 'views' are they? Just a spew of venom filled hatred dressed up as politics.
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The full manifesto has been taken down. For those of you who didn't have the pleasure, it included a seven verse Poem What He Wrote and the delicious sentence "I am clearly not dotty".
Yes dear.
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So is it correct that UKIP are the largest political party to be officially against gay marriage? I think so.
Remember - keep it white, keep it tight, keep it straight. Britain that is.
Or if you like, no blacks, no fags, no eurotrash.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Anglican't:
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Originally posted by Jane R:
I don't care if UKIP have expelled him now - they are now level with the BNP on my list of 'Parties I Will Never Vote For'.
If I was going to be fair to UKIP (though I'm not sure that I should be) this chap is only a local council candidate. I imagine local council candidates from the mainstream political parties hold a range of equally dotty views.
Only a local council candidate? Local councils provide social services, education, planning, libraries and waste & recycling services amongst others. I'd rather have loonies in the House of Commons where they are unlikely to have any effect amongst six hundred, than on a local council where they are a member of a body one-tenth that size.
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He sounds closer to BNP than UKIP. Perhaps he will try to join them next?
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Originally posted by Chorister:
He sounds closer to BNP than UKIP. Perhaps he will try to join them next?
Insert comment about fag paper here.
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The Greens are very much in favour of [same-sex marriage], as many of them live in Brighton.
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You start reading it and you go "Yes, but..."
And then you carry on and go "Ah, but... oh..."
And then you read even further and go "Er... erm... well..."
And then your brain gives up and escapes from your head in protest.
I actually think he manages to offend pretty much every class of people there, even his own natural constituency. In that regard, it's actually quite astonishing!
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Who needs the full version? What is left is bad enough:
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DEFENDING BRITISH CULTURE AND THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION: British culture is under attack as never before. This is mainly because Brits tend to be highly tolerant of other cultures,
Tolerance is the VeryBritishThing™ that needs defending. If you thing intolerance is a good thing, and somehow linked to the Christian religion then I will have to disagree most strongly.
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Marvin the Martian
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I finally stopped thinking even he was taking it seriously when I got to the bit about making all religions update their Holy Texts to reflect modern society and culture. How the hell he expects to be able to do that from a Town Hall in Kent is beyond me...
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Stejjie
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There does seem to be a theme among rants like this of praising British tolerance before going on to be exceedingly intolerant.
Oh, and then complaining about "intolerant liberals" when people suggest this isn't the most helpful way of speaking of these things...
ETA: x-posted with Marvin
[ 19. December 2012, 12:38: Message edited by: Stejjie ]
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Angloid
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
I finally stopped thinking even he was taking it seriously when I got to the bit about making all religions update their Holy Texts to reflect modern society and culture. How the hell he expects to be able to do that from a Town Hall in Kent is beyond me...
And the way he compares the age of the Koran to that of the Bible (400 years, because he doesn't appear to know that that KJV is not the original).
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On reflection, I think our friend Geoff is possibly an unholy alliance between:
Hitler (Eugenics, Euthenasia and destruction of minorities)
Alf Garnett (Arm chair grand-standing Racism)
That bloke down the pub who claims something is true because he "reckons it" and all the socio-economic priblems in our country have an easy solution which every honest hard working British bloke can see.
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fletcher christian
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posted by Stejjie:
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You start reading it and you go "Yes, but..."
And then you carry on and go "Ah, but... oh..."
And then you read even further and go "Er... erm... well..."
And then your brain gives up and escapes from your head in protest.
I started reading it and thought, 'Oh, I think I've read this before somewhere', and then I remembered. I've read the same vile shite in Mein Kampf.
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Matt Black
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Who the fuck voted for such a 'manifesto', though?
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Marvin the Martian
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Originally posted by Angloid:
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
I finally stopped thinking even he was taking it seriously when I got to the bit about making all religions update their Holy Texts to reflect modern society and culture. How the hell he expects to be able to do that from a Town Hall in Kent is beyond me...
And the way he compares the age of the Koran to that of the Bible (400 years, because he doesn't appear to know that that KJV is not the original).
Presumably he's claiming the KJV was the same sort of revision to modern standards that he's calling for now...
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Originally posted by birdie:
The full manifesto has been taken down. For those of you who didn't have the pleasure, it included a seven verse Poem What He Wrote and the delicious sentence "I am clearly not dotty".
Yes dear.
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lilBuddha
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Nothing wrong with Clark's manifesto, other than it is a bit long. Amongst the rambling is the stark truth. I've taken the liberty to edit it to concisely contain only the relevant information.
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Anglican't
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Only a local council candidate? Local councils provide social services, education, planning, libraries and waste & recycling services amongst others. I'd rather have loonies in the House of Commons where they are unlikely to have any effect amongst six hundred, than on a local council where they are a member of a body one-tenth that size.
I wasn't trying to say that local councils are unimportant, rather he's not an important figure in terms of UKIP's national operations and that the calibre of candidates in mainstream parties for local councils can be very low.
That said, I wrote that before I had the chance to read his manifesto and I accept that he is on the wackier end of the council candidate spectrum, if not in a class of his own.
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I rather like his profound analysis that quote:
Iran is generally shifty
. I'm sure that this issue comes up a lot at PCC...
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Spike
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Originally posted by Anglican't:
If I was going to be fair to UKIP (though I'm not sure that I should be) this chap is only a local council candidate. I imagine local council candidates from the mainstream political parties hold a range of equally dotty views.
We had a Parliamentary by-election where I live last month. During the campaign, the UKIP candidate made it on to the national news saying that allowing gays to adopt children was a form of child abuse. UKIP were quick to point out that what he said wasn't "official UKIP policy". They seem to trot that line out a lot, yet still seem to allow these nutters to stand for public office, whether local or notional.
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Matt Black
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Originally posted by Angloid:
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
I finally stopped thinking even he was taking it seriously when I got to the bit about making all religions update their Holy Texts to reflect modern society and culture. How the hell he expects to be able to do that from a Town Hall in Kent is beyond me...
And the way he compares the age of the Koran to that of the Bible (400 years, because he doesn't appear to know that that KJV is not the original).
Presumably he's claiming the KJV was the same sort of revision to modern standards that he's calling for now...
Personally I think that's very new-fangled; we lost the plot when we committed the Scriptures to writing and got away from oral tradition...
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Suspending Iran AND Israel from the UN would get my vote tho' ![[Biased]](wink.gif) ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by Matt Black:
Who the fuck voted for such a 'manifesto', though?
My mother voted for a "Christian Party" which was all pro-bible and anti-mainstream political parties and that, for those reasons, I presume. That they were also anti-immigrant (with her own son being an immigrant) didn't come on her radar. Some vague sense of solidarity was the key. I believe that what that gobshite wrote will chime with many in GB (having less immigrants, being anti-Muslim, for example).
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Stejjie
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Originally posted by fletcher christian:
I started reading it and thought, 'Oh, I think I've read this before somewhere', and then I remembered. I've read the same vile shite in Mein Kampf.
True enough, though it was the sheer weird, illogical, contradictory strangeness of the "manifesto" that got me. Not much of it even makes sense and it contradicts itself about a million times at least.
If you're going to write vile shite, then at least write logical vile shite.
(I never got very far with Mein Kampf so can't comment on its logicality or otherwise - though one of my politics lecturers thought it as strange as it was repulsive.)
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Penny S
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Next borough to me. I wonder what he thinks about the gurdwara, and the food bank run by the Methodists.
Just catching up on the dark charisma of Hitler. It will be interesting to see what the vote for UKIP is tomorrow.
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Originally posted by Matt Black:
Personally I think that's very new-fangled; we lost the plot when we committed the Scriptures to writing and got away from oral tradition...
Oral tradition? Luxury! We couldn't afford words when I were a bairn. We had to get up at midnight, half an hour before we went to bed, memorise entire Bible as liturgical dance, lick 'honoured place' clean wit' tongue, eat handful of incense grains and pay vicar for t' privilege.
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Penny S
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I note from the manifesto that he is making a point, possibly unrecognised by people out of county or country, that he is not from that flighty East Kent where the Men of Kent hang out, but the west, where the proper Kentishmen are found.
Haven't read all of it yet. The will to live gives up after a while. His poem what he wrote, with apologies to Byron, curiously identifies the Anglo-Saxons he presumably regards as suitable occupants of Gravesend as the barbarian invaders to be compared with the recent incomers. Clark isn't a Welsh surname.
Gravesend, the town around which the borough of Gravesham has been constructed, has a large Sikh population. Who are entitled to vote, of course. Altogether curious.
He doesn't appear on the Institute of Chartered Accountants list of members, but if he has ceased to practice, he would have had to send his certificate back.
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Originally posted by Chapelhead:
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Originally posted by Matt Black:
Personally I think that's very new-fangled; we lost the plot when we committed the Scriptures to writing and got away from oral tradition...
Oral tradition? Luxury! We couldn't afford words when I were a bairn. We had to get up at midnight, half an hour before we went to bed, memorise entire Bible as liturgical dance, lick 'honoured place' clean wit' tongue, eat handful of incense grains and pay vicar for t' privilege.
Vicar? Luxury!
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Originally posted by Stoker:
On reflection, I think our friend Geoff is possibly an unholy alliance between:
Hitler (Eugenics, Euthenasia and destruction of minorities)
Alf Garnett (Arm chair grand-standing Racism)
That bloke down the pub who claims something is true because he "reckons it" and all the socio-economic priblems in our country have an easy solution which every honest hard working British bloke can see.
"I bet you reckon something"
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Link above not available in North America. Could some passing English Hellhost kindly check.
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Not available here either ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
I feel oppressed
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Originally posted by Penny S:
...The will to live gives up after a while...
In which case, Penny S, you are entitled to free advice on how to kill yourself, thus reducing the surplus population.
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Originally posted by the right wing nutjob
legalising euthanasia and giving free euthanasia advice to all folk over 80 years of age, and indeed to all others.
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As long as he's prepared to take the advice when it's offered to him (as surely it is likely to be).
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Matt Black
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...now would be a good time as it would mean the rest of us would have a Happier Christmas
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Originally posted by Penny S:
I note from the manifesto that he is making a point, possibly unrecognised by people out of county or country, that he is not from that flighty East Kent where the Men of Kent hang out, but the west, where the proper Kentishmen are found.
I noticed that. I bet his kind of Christianity goes back to the time when Kentishmen burnt people from the next village in a whicker man to protect the crops....
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Originally posted by Stoker:
On reflection, I think our friend Geoff is possibly an unholy alliance between:
Hitler (Eugenics, Euthenasia and destruction of minorities)
Alf Garnett (Arm chair grand-standing Racism)
That bloke down the pub who claims something is true because he "reckons it" and all the socio-economic priblems in our country have an easy solution which every honest hard working British bloke can see.
If I'm correctly understanding his reference to Greenbelt, he's also something of an environmentalist. Albeit probably of the Garrett Hardin variety.
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Oh, and I like how he settles over 200 years of debate about population with...
"POPULATION growth and declining quality of life are connected (Malthus, 1798)."
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Penny S
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I suspect his green belt reference is more to do with preventing that there Lunnon from spreading out to his own vicinity and filling it up with non-Kentish folk. There's only one borough now between Greater London and Gravesham. London is now, Kent-wise, co-terminous with the boundary established between the British people of London and the Jutes of Kent after the battle of Crayford, with a boundary built as the Faesten Dyke between the two. Can't have that eroded and Boris' plans to take over the Kentish Thameside allowed. Gravesham would be filled with, in addition to the Sikhs, the Africans of Deptford, and who knows who else? All those people from the multitudinous little churches along Watling Street wouldn't vote for someone on his PCC - wouldn't know what it stood for.
I doubt his environmental stance.
I'm just listening to G&S Yeomen of the Guard - will to live restored. (Until the end, bit sad that.)
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UKIP has dropped him now.
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