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lilBuddha
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Seriously, where do you breed these guys?
Congressman Steve King is fighting anti-animal fighting laws because humans are allowed to fight.
He then "clarified" his position with this rubbish. The best begins at about 1.5 minutes in.

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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
is fighting anti-animal fighting laws because humans are allowed to fight.

Logically then, he should be fighting for the right of animals to place bets on humans that are fighting.

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For those not wishing to go the links, in the second he puts forth the following scenario:
A sexual predator kidnaps a thirteen year old girl from a playground, impregnates her, transports her across state lines to force an abortion to cover the evidence then returns her to the playground. He states as none of this is illegal, animal fights should not be.
I am no authority on US law, but I am fairly certain every bit of that is illegal. Can he really be this stupid? How is he allowed in public without supervision?

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Kelly Alves

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Maybe my hearing is bad-- did he say that the kidnapping scenario he described "didn't break any laws"?

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lilBuddha
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YES! Boggles the mind.

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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:

I am no authority on US law, but I am fairly certain every bit of that is illegal. Can he really be this stupid? How is he allowed in public without supervision?

Hell, dude, they elected him to be the honorable representative from the state of Iowa!

I'd start the recall process because he clearly has a very poor grasp of the laws he's supposedly upholding.

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lilBuddha
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To be fair, Spiffy, that standard would empty the halls of government in more than one country.

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I predict the Republican Party has grown so extreme that it will start to implode through embarrassment.

Then we can repopulate it from the RINO (Republican-in-name-only) Sanctuary.

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Sounds to me like a good start.

Then let's turn our eyes to the bishops and elders.

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Kelly Alves

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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
YES! Boggles the mind.

Sorry, lilbuddha, it appears I was boggling while you were posting.

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I would clarify that you may discuss Akin on this thread, but you must stay away from the Dead Horses* while doing so.

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*Or, if you cannot do this, there is nothing stopping you from opening a specific discussion in Dead Horses.

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Details of the RINO Recovery Programme.

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Looks like the "Right to arm bears" campaigners have more support.

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More on Steve King.

Does anyone think it is a co-incidence that as soon as an African American becomes POTUS the extremist right came to the political forefront?

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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Seriously, where do you breed these guys?

How seems more germane: are comb overs something you can do genetically?

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quote:
Originally posted by Tortuf:

Does anyone think it is a co-incidence that as soon as an African American becomes POTUS the extremist right came to the political forefront?

No, I don't think it's a coincidence. Big decisions to be made by the US people over the next few months. Back to the frontier or forward to the stars.
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Between King, Aiken and a few others I've become very frightened by the crew currently running the GOP and who could one day lead the country. When one gets caught making extremely stupid statements like Aiken, the rest deny that they believe such a horrible thing, but if you look back through their history you find they've pretty much said the same things themselves. The far right wingers have dragged the IQ level of the GOP down several levels. It scares me that these types have a real chance at running this country. How can such stupidity go unchecked or even be accepted by so man. I left the GOP 30 years ago when this nonsense first started.

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Porridge
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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Seriously, where do you breed these guys?

Clearly, these are the products of non-legitimate rape.

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quote:
Originally posted by Niteowl:
Between King, Aiken and a few others I've become very frightened by the crew currently running the GOP and who could one day lead the country. When one gets caught making extremely stupid statements like Aiken, the rest deny that they believe such a horrible thing, but if you look back through their history you find they've pretty much said the same things themselves. The far right wingers have dragged the IQ level of the GOP down several levels. It scares me that these types have a real chance at running this country. How can such stupidity go unchecked or even be accepted by so man. I left the GOP 30 years ago when this nonsense first started.

I wish people would get hold of the simple fact that many right-wing politicians are far from stupid. Intelligence is no determinant of political stance, especially amongst those who seek some paid-for position.

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Niteowl

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quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
quote:
Originally posted by Niteowl:
Between King, Aiken and a few others I've become very frightened by the crew currently running the GOP and who could one day lead the country. When one gets caught making extremely stupid statements like Aiken, the rest deny that they believe such a horrible thing, but if you look back through their history you find they've pretty much said the same things themselves. The far right wingers have dragged the IQ level of the GOP down several levels. It scares me that these types have a real chance at running this country. How can such stupidity go unchecked or even be accepted by so man. I left the GOP 30 years ago when this nonsense first started.

I wish people would get hold of the simple fact that many right-wing politicians are far from stupid. Intelligence is no determinant of political stance, especially amongst those who seek some paid-for position.
The fact that the "smart" ones in the GOP are using the sheer ignorance of a good portion of the base to position themselves in power does nothing to alleviate the fact that the IQ level of the GOP has been steadily lining the sink drain. And I say this as a former GOPer. I saw the current train coming and the beliefs that would be part and parcel of the ticket price and wanted off.

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New York Times columnist (and Nobel Laureate) Paul Krugman has suggested* that the lack of reasonable Republicans is due to the Republican party excommunicating members for being reasonable.

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Now, what you can quite easily find are examples of people who used to be Republicans, or even still consider themselves Republicans, saying reasonable things — say, Bruce Bartlett or David Frum. But the very fact that they’re reasonable has led to their excommunication from the movement!

It’s kind of the “treason never prospers” argument (“for if it prospers, none dare call it treason”); if someone declares that tax cuts don’t pay for themselves, or that printing money when you’re in a liquidity trap isn’t deeply inflationary, or that fear of Obamacare isn’t holding the economy back, he ceases to be considered a member in good standing of the GOP. There are, therefore, no reasonable Republicans on these issues.

It's an interesting theory, and has the added benefit of being compatible with reality.


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Porridge
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quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
I wish people would get hold of the simple fact that many right-wing politicians are far from stupid. Intelligence is no determinant of political stance, especially amongst those who seek some paid-for position.

I'm not so sure. There's a theory of multiple intelligences; there must be a corresponding collection of multiple stupidities. One needn't have all of them in order to excel at one or two individual types.

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Crœsos
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And here's another one!

GOP lawmaker: "Virtually impossible to contract AIDS through heterosexual sex".

I'm beginning to think that when it comes to sex and science, the contemporary Republican party runs on urban legends and moralism.

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quote:
Originally posted by Porridge:
quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
I wish people would get hold of the simple fact that many right-wing politicians are far from stupid. Intelligence is no determinant of political stance, especially amongst those who seek some paid-for position.

I'm not so sure. There's a theory of multiple intelligences; there must be a corresponding collection of multiple stupidities. One needn't have all of them in order to excel at one or two individual types.
A cynical person might suspect that there were some clever corporate brains in the puppet master positions in the GOP organisation, who have an agenda of their own, and just need to get some marionettes - any marionettes - in place in order to pursue it.
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Porridge
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quote:
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And here's another one!

GOP lawmaker: "Virtually impossible to contract AIDS through heterosexual sex".

I'm beginning to think that when it comes to sex and science, the contemporary Republican party runs on urban legends and moralism.

* Puts hand to forehead and passes out *

Somebody has GOT to do something about the drinking water in D.C. Or is it a strangely localized air pollution issue?

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Kelly Alves

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What the holy hell? (from the article)
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“It was one guy screwing a monkey, if I recall correctly, and then having sex with men. It was an airline pilot, if I recall.”
Raw Story (http://s.tt/1de0M)

OK, the first bit is a direct quote from a Robin Williams routine, I kid you not. He's treating Robin Williams as a scientific resource. Most scientist believe that AIDS jumped from monkeys to humans by virtue of the fact that humans eat monkeys in some places, and that blood exchange happened in the butchering process.

As for Gaeton Dugas, (the pilot) AIDS was already manifesting itself in the Western Hemisphere long before he became a commercial pilot. He just wound up a kind of Typhoid Mary early enough for him to get a lot of the blame for its spread.


How the hell did he managed to conflate the two stories? Unless he heard them from someone else in the first place.

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Talking of damn fool republicans, here is the explanation of the 700 years out of date theory upon which the evil Mr Akin has built his poisonous ideas about pregnancy and rape.

By extension I strongly suspect this man believes you can't rape a "legitimate" (sorry a "real") man. And anyway, if the man got an erection it *must* be consensual.

I am coming to the view that right wing republicans don't believe that bad things happen to good people - the good are never poor, never sick and never the victims of sexual crime. They are occasionally robbed of their hard earned thousands by darnedgovm't taxes, or swindled by intellectuals - but otherwise nothing bad happens to God's chosen people.

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quote:
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...but otherwise nothing bad happens to God's chosen people.

Because, obviously, if something bad happens to them, that is proof they are not part of God's chosen people.
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quote:
Originally posted by Porridge:
quote:
Originally posted by Crœsos:
And here's another one!

GOP lawmaker: "Virtually impossible to contract AIDS through heterosexual sex".

I'm beginning to think that when it comes to sex and science, the contemporary Republican party runs on urban legends and moralism.

* Puts hand to forehead and passes out *

Somebody has GOT to do something about the drinking water in D.C. Or is it a strangely localized air pollution issue?

Well, that particular guy is in the Tennessee state senate, so whatever it is isn't confined to the District of Columbia.

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quote:
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Talking of damn fool republicans, here is the explanation of the 700 years out of date theory upon which the evil Mr Akin has built his poisonous ideas about pregnancy and rape.

By extension I strongly suspect this man believes you can't rape a "legitimate" (sorry a "real") man. And anyway, if the man got an erection it *must* be consensual.

Politics: the career for people who really, REALLY hated science at school and don't want to be bothered with all that crap ever again.

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Well, that particular guy is in the Tennessee state senate, so whatever it is isn't confined to the District of Columbia.

Hey, it's only 487 miles from DC to Knoxville. It must be some combination of La Nina, the jet stream, and the Republican gene pool. And now I'm remembering Michele Bachman and Gardasil -- what was it? It makes you go blind, or something? And her husband claims to have a "cure" for homosexuality.

And we the people put these jokers in office.

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Re "where do you breed these guys":

They're part of the gov't's secret breeding program from the "X-Files" series.
[Paranoid]

{Puts in call to Scully and Mulder.}

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Many of these politicians appear to be deformed. If the deformity was physical, they would appear grotesque and monstrous. And they would reek of decay and rot.

Many of them appear to have limited or no education, and to have been practising to be politicians for so long that they've lost any connection with the real world.

Most of them are extremely rich, and have engaged in extensive exploitation of others while representing themselves as 'of the people'. As if Satan pretended to be Jesus.

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So ... are there signs that the GOP is becoming a cult?

I wouldn't have thought so, unless you think the real leadership of GOP members is to be found in Fox News. Which strikes me as a bit paranoid.

In opposition in the UK, both major political parties have tended to lurch to their extremes following a defeat. The died in the wool loyalists tend to believe that they lost because they weren't true to themselves.

It's different in the US because of the separation of powers (Congress and the President).

Are there any choice Democratic nutters to compare with this damn fool Republican? I agree he's a damn fool!

I suppose there must be, but given current polarisations in US politics, one persons "nutter" may be another person's "orthodox". Maybe that's the real cause for concern?

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quote:
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In opposition in the UK, both major political parties have tended to lurch to their extremes following a defeat. The died in the wool loyalists tend to believe that they lost because they weren't true to themselves.

Yes and no. There's a tendency to become more extreme, I agree, but I think there's another plausible mechanism.

If a party which effectively represents one extreme of the "mainstream" political spectrum loses support, that lost support is going to be overwhelmingly from the centre ground, making the remaining rump of party members/representatives more extreme on average, even if no one's views change at all. The Bennites will always be Labour and the Thatcherites will always be Tory, but when the pinkish/light blue moderates go elsewhere, the extremes have less moderate opposition from within their own party.

This also means that depending on circumstances and electoral conditions, a defeated party can easily enter a death spiral of increasing extremism and unpopularity, but the party in government usually becomes tired, reveals massive incompetence or simply becomes overwhelmed by events before the opposition has time to completely implode.

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A lot in that, TGG. Democracy is saved from itself by successive failures of governments?

I had a work colleague who advised me always to "vote for the opposition; parties need kicking out of government regularly. Keeps them humble".

Kind of works in the UK, but if I lived in the US I couldn't see myself voting GOP in its current state. No matter how lousy the government in power. The inmates appear to be taking over the asylum.

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ISTM, there is another mechanism also at work currently that is tied to economy. Especially in America and Russia. Fear, generated by economic instability, seems to lead people to what would be extreme positions in more stable times.

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And another one ...

judge warns of civil war if Obama re-elected

He claims that Obama will "try to give the sovereignty of the United States away to the United Nations," and it's time for that well-regulated militia to get cracking.

He clearly has no idea how the US is viewed by the rest of the world, and that no UN country could possibly be arsed to even think of something like that. I mean, who would possibly want to take on $15 trillion in debt, for one thing?

I know there's rampant fear of the UN in some US quarters, but really, these people should look around and pay attention.

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quote:
Originally posted by Barnabas62:
In opposition in the UK, both major political parties have tended to lurch to their extremes following a defeat. The died in the wool loyalists tend to believe that they lost because they weren't true to themselves.

So... might as well be hanged for a sheep as a lamb?
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Is there no end?

Here's a candidate for county sheriff who plans to take out abortion doctors with deadly force (it's about 1:30 in).

Cantering swiftly around the dead horse in the bridle path, surely we shouldn't be electing people who substitute their own definitions of "lawful" for what's actually on the books?

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quote:
Originally posted by Porridge:
Is there no end?

Here's a candidate for county sheriff who plans to take out abortion doctors with deadly force (it's about 1:30 in).

Cantering swiftly around the dead horse in the bridle path, surely we shouldn't be electing people who substitute their own definitions of "lawful" for what's actually on the books?

I got a 404 on that link. Try again.

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See, without the Confidence Convention to enforce party discipline, there is no limit to the asshattery that US politicians can get away with. Behaviour that would have you booted out of caucus in Canada, Oz or the UK and get you a boom closet for an office is par for the course in the US.

In light of such a sad situation, I refer fellow shipmates to my post upthread about the conservation of Moderate Republicans. I heartily encourage US Shippies to do their patriotic duty and Bag and Tag Moderate Republicans for an intensive repopulation breeding program.

The Moderate Republican, Politico Republicus Non-Lunaticus should be listed as an endangered species under the Endangered Species Act, next to other American icons such as the Bald Eagle and the Middle Class.

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Try this link. Shit for brains sheriff.

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Here's a 2nd try at the original interview:


Sounds almost reasonable, doesn't he?

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quote:
Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
In light of such a sad situation, I refer fellow shipmates to my post upthread about the conservation of Moderate Republicans. I heartily encourage US Shippies to do their patriotic duty and Bag and Tag Moderate Republicans for an intensive repopulation breeding program.

The Moderate Republican, Politico Republicus Non-Lunaticus should be listed as an endangered species under the Endangered Species Act, next to other American icons such as the Bald Eagle and the Middle Class.

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Mind you, the Australian Liberals (which is the conservative party around here) are also undergoing the same trend of shifting to the right and excluding/diminishing their more moderate members. It's just that they're doing it from a less right-wing starting point. There used to be 'wet' and 'dry' Liberals, and the 'wets' are pretty well gone.

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The New York Times offers this brief roundup of powerful Republican "crackpots whose views on major issues are as removed from reality as Missouri’s Representative Todd Akin’s take on the sperm-killing powers of a woman who’s been raped."

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And in an on-air plea for sanity, Joe Scarborough, the former G.O.P. congressman and MSNBC host, said, “I’m just tired of the Republican Party being the stupid party.” I feel for him. But don’t expect the reality chorus to grow. For if intelligence were contagious, his party would be giving out vaccines for it.


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These people run the most powerful nation on earth. Their idiocy would be hilarious if not for this.

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lilBuddha:
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These people run the most powerful nation on earth. Their idiocy would be hilarious if not for this.

This.

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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
These people run the most powerful nation on earth. Their idiocy would be hilarious if not for this.

We the people voted them into office. Who are the idiots here?

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quote:
Originally posted by Porridge:
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
I wish people would get hold of the simple fact that many right-wing politicians are far from stupid. Intelligence is no determinant of political stance, especially amongst those who seek some paid-for position.

I'm not so sure. There's a theory of multiple intelligences; there must be a corresponding collection of multiple stupidities. One needn't have all of them in order to excel at one or two individual types.
Quite. I expect we've all known at least somebody who's as thick as a constipated turd in some ways but quite brilliant in others. I am of course thinking of my daughter's physicist ex-boyfriend.

I read a little while ago about some neurological research which found that people politically on the right have an enlarged part of the primitive brain that's concerned with emotion, compared to people on the liberal left. I can't find it now, so can't cite. The researchers were apparently surprised, but it figures to me. Racism, misogyny, fear of the other, attachment to supposed biblical certainties, all are about ancient terrors.

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