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Yorick

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Chill out. I don’t know what you imagine to be your purpose on the Ship (and don’t especially care), but you really ought to know that your strident and often rudely objectionable approach is a piss poor way to get others to sympathise with your viewpoint. I cannot remember ever being moved by anything you posted into any acceptance of your point, and the reason for this is that your approach to discussion makes me think you’re a fascist little cunty shit with whom I should never agree. And this despite the fact that I suppose you’re sometimes right.

Way to be evangelical.

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Not as imaginative as the last time you called me down.

You're slipping, Yorick.

I'm disappointed.

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I have a suspicion you generally are. Hence the problem.

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That's a bit better.

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EE,
I don't read the boards as much as I used to, so I wanted to see if Yorick had a point. In doing so I found the following gems from your oeuvre:
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I suggest you go and read up about it, and then come back and have a sensible discussion about 'evidence', because your comments clearly reveal a total misunderstanding of the subject.
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But I suspect that, because you don't personally like my conclusions, you then attempt to claim that I am not reasoning on the basis of valid evidence. Really, if you want to fool me, you need to be a bit more subtle than that.
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I suppose that argument would have some merit if the construction of life was somehow inherently imprinted on the laws of physics and chemistry, such that the mere application of those laws would inevitably produce little Croesoses and EEs.

I am sure that even you realise that this is not the case.

Those are just your recent posts.

I am usually happy to discuss things. I am even happy to enter into robust discussion where my assumptions are picked apart one by one. My willingness to continue polite discussion after having been insulted is nil. While I have no empirical evidence to back up my assumption, I assume that most other people are unwilling to continue polite discussion after having had you look down your nose at them.

The reason for the number of quotes is that it is sometimes hard to see your own reflection in a single moment.

In truth EE, it was easy to pick out posts with insults of some ilk or another because just about every single one of your recent posts contained an insult. Perhaps it was because you were in the heat of battle in these threads. My question for you is why should there be a heated battle? Are you incapable of making your point in a forceful, but polite, way?

From reading your posts you appear to be more than intelligent. Perhaps you could use some of that intelligence to evaluate your posting style and ask yourself some fundamental questions. For instance, are you posting to persuade or let off steam? Do you think you are accomplishing your goal in these threads? What then is your goal?

You may well consider this to be none of my business. That's fair. You don't know me and you have plenty of mental resources on your own. My reading of these recent threads is that you are not persuading as much as you are causing other to cling steadfast to their positions.

Just some thoughts.

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Bit disappointing. I thought this was going to be a thread about Kevin Bacon.
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Originally posted by Tortuf
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From reading your posts you appear to be more than intelligent. Perhaps you could use some of that intelligence to evaluate your posting style and ask yourself some fundamental questions.
ISTM, this is more an impediment for some. The logic being. "I am intelligent, I believe [ statement ], therefore it is true."
Add a healthy dose of stubborn and....

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Originally posted by Anglican't:
Bit disappointing. I thought this was going to be a thread about Kevin Bacon.

"This video is not available. Sorry about that."

No no, Youtube, don't apologise. That may be a significant chunk of my mental health you just saved.

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quote:
Originally posted by Anglican't:
Bit disappointing. I thought this was going to be a thread about Kevin Bacon.

I thought it was going to be about a certain mobile phone company (and I bet I'm not the only one who thought that).

[ 21. February 2013, 11:45: Message edited by: Ariel ]

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Is Kevin Bacon really horsemeat?

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No, in the aforementioned EE adverts, Kevin Bacon is 100% ham.

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Do you mean he's a ham actor?
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Can we keep the wordplay down please, in the wild hope that I might get to spend my hostly time reading a decent Hellcall for a while. Ta.

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For instance, are you posting to persuade or let off steam?

I don't think so.

I think EE is posting in order to convince himself.

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quote:
Originally posted by Yorick:
Chill out. I don’t know what you imagine to be your purpose on the Ship (and don’t especially care), but you really ought to know that your strident and often rudely objectionable approach is a piss poor way to get others to sympathise with your viewpoint. I cannot remember ever being moved by anything you posted into any acceptance of your point, and the reason for this is that your approach to discussion makes me think you’re a fascist little cunty shit with whom I should never agree. And this despite the fact that I suppose you’re sometimes right.


Oddly enough, Yorick, some of the denizens think that this more than adequately describes you as well.

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I never would have used the word 'strident' for Yorick.

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Oddly enough, Yorick, some of the denizens think that this more than adequately describes you as well.

Thank you for being their spokesperson, Pete. The fact that 'some of the denizens' think of me that way is a scratched old record, and hardly mitigates here. That said, I do feel I have been improved by some of the more, erm, well-meaning feedback that I have received on this board, and I only hope our evangelical acquaintance is of similar sensitivity.

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Originally posted by Yorick
That said, I do feel I have been improved by some of the more, erm, well-meaning feedback that I have received on this board, and I only hope our evangelical acquaintance is of similar sensitivity.

I suppose in my defence (although admittedly it probably sounds a bit feeble), I am a refugee from another site, which was rather more combative. It's not easy to resist tarring all atheists with the same brush, especially when the same 'buttons' are pressed. Being called "a liar for Jesus" etc simply for holding views that the other person didn't agree with (as happened on the other site), has probably set up in me an unfortunate pugnacious set of reflexes. When I migrate I must remember to leave the old culture behind!

I will try to calm down (except when dear Gamaliel brings up the issue of speaking in tongues [Snigger] )

[ 22. February 2013, 09:49: Message edited by: EtymologicalEvangelical ]

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quote:
Originally posted by Yorick:
quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:
Oddly enough, Yorick, some of the denizens think that this more than adequately describes you as well.

Thank you for being their spokesperson, Pete. The fact that 'some of the denizens' think of me that way is a scratched old record, and hardly mitigates here. That said, I do feel I have been improved by some of the more, erm, well-meaning feedback that I have received on this board, and I only hope our evangelical acquaintance is of similar sensitivity.
hey loserface, clean out your PM box. I was going to say something really nice, but I feel the moment passing.

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Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
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Originally posted by Yorick
That said, I do feel I have been improved by some of the more, erm, well-meaning feedback that I have received on this board, and I only hope our evangelical acquaintance is of similar sensitivity.

I suppose in my defence (although admittedly it probably sounds a bit feeble), I am a refugee from another site, which was rather more combative. It's not easy to resist tarring all atheists with the same brush, especially when the same 'buttons' are pressed. Being called "a liar for Jesus" etc simply for holding views that the other person didn't agree with (as happened on the other site), has probably set up in me an unfortunate pugnacious set of reflexes. When I migrate I must remember to leave the old culture behind!

I will try to calm down (except when dear Gamaliel brings up the issue of speaking in tongues [Snigger] )

For some reason I had it in my mind that you were rather sweet and pure and idealistic when you first arrived on board.

That seems to have changed. The cynical, hard fighter for Jesus has taken over.

.......perhaps it was my imagination......

.......or perhaps it's projection.........

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quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
The cynical, hard fighter for Jesus has taken over.

Jesus don't enter into it. IMO anyway.
I do not think most people truly argue on behalf their belief system, but because it is their belief.


.......or perhaps that's just projection.........

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I think if Jesus had less apologists, he would have a whole lot less to apologise for.

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Well according to my Spiritual Director From Hell™ most of our lives are about projection.

So fear not little Buddhist; you're in good company.

[x-posted with Patyds]

[ 23. February 2013, 04:50: Message edited by: Evensong ]

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I think if Jesus had less apologists, he would have a whole lot less to apologise for.

If Jesus has less apologists, he wouldn't have to apologise for anything because there wouldn't be any christians in the world.

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I think if Jesus had less apologists, he would have a whole lot less to apologise for.

[Confused] [Confused] [Confused]

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I missed the bit where God said 'Go out and justify my existence and the problems of theodicy, miracles and creation to the world.' I think if we spoke less about and for God and spent more time living as though we truly believed in God, Christianity would survive just fine.

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The living quietly as if you believe in God doesn't seem to have done much for the faith.

My denomination (that holds that kind of theology) is not flourishing number wise.

You just end up with the loud, bolshy christians with terrible theology giving Atheism plenty of converts.

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quote:
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Jesus don't enter into it.

Not with EE. He's all about logic, reason and the adoration of authority. They are the Trinity he worships. God, Jesus and the Spirit don't get a look in.

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You rang ...

I scrolled downa nd noticed a name-check that has halted me here in the depths of infernal Dis ... not Diss in Norfolk although that would be a prime candidate ...

I thought we'd dropped the 'tongues' thing.

I'll allude to it here in response to EE's reference, insofar that I suspect that particular topic epitomises his approach to things and why he gets hot under the collar.

EE has spent a lot of time arguing with atheists and has developed a QED type approach which is all about 'proving' things and using logic and trying to win arguments on that basis. Fine, as far as it goes ... but it doesn't quite cut the mustard.

I think Patdys is right. There is a place for apologetics but it can end up counter-productive.

I agree with Evensong that a kind of quietist, principled Christianity isn't that effective numbers-wise. Our nearest Quaker meeting is very poorly attended indeed. Likewise our nearest Anglophone Orthodox parish hasn't grown in numbers a great deal since its inception in the mid-1990s.

Through no fault of his own, EE can sound rather strident and dismissive - 'Listen, sheer logic ought to tell you that X,Y,Z ...'

It's the polar opposite of the Zen Masters and the mystics of the Eastern Orthodox tradition. They take a more 'show don't tell' approach.

There's room for both, of course, a kind of Western propositional approach and a more mystic or 'Eastern' style where you demonstrate rather than remonstrate.

Just my two happ'orth and I only mentioned 'tongues' in passing.

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quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
The living quietly as if you believe in God doesn't seem to have done much for the faith.

My denomination (that holds that kind of theology) is not flourishing number wise.

You just end up with the loud, bolshy christians with terrible theology giving Atheism plenty of converts.

Precisely; only they call themselves apologists. Care to reinforce my point some more?

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I'll now be pedantic and address mine Host, Martin.

'God, Jesus and the Spirit.'

Perhaps I'm idolising Authority, but shouldn't that be 'God the Father, Jesus and the Spirit'? Because the Son and the Spirit are just as much God as God the Father is.

I'm sorry, but it narks me at our local evangelical parish when people say things like 'God and Jesus.'

You know how it goes, 'It isn't God who is going to judge the world, it's Jesus ...' as though they haven't grasped the Trinity properly ... insofar as any of us can grasp it properly that is.

For my own part, I don't doubt EE's Trinitarian credentials. I do think he argues in a highly 'Western' fashion though. Which is fine in its own terms but it can rub people up the wrong way.

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quote:
Originally posted by Patdys:
quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
The living quietly as if you believe in God doesn't seem to have done much for the faith.

My denomination (that holds that kind of theology) is not flourishing number wise.

You just end up with the loud, bolshy christians with terrible theology giving Atheism plenty of converts.

Precisely; only they call themselves apologists. Care to reinforce my point some more?
The trick is to be a loud, semi- bolshy apologist with good theology. [Snigger]

Otherwise we'll die out altogether!

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Ok, that made me smile. [Big Grin]

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Touchdown!

Frickin hard to make Patdys smile these days.

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I missed the bit where God said 'Go out and justify my existence and the problems of theodicy, miracles and creation to the world.' I think if we spoke less about and for God and spent more time living as though we truly believed in God, Christianity would survive just fine.

There is a difference between "both ... and" and "either ... or".

Opening your mouth and saying why you believe something to be true is not inconsistent with living accordingly, despite the fact that some people fail to do so (and yes, I am "looking in the mirror" as I write this).

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I thought we'd dropped the 'tongues' thing.

Note to self: please remember (for next time) that Gamaliel doesn't have a sense of humour, and doesn't understand why smilies are used.

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The thing which annoys me about your posts EE, is that you seem to feel the need to defend God.

S/he doesn't need you to do that!

Are you sure you don't do all this arguing about 'evidence' to convince yourself more than to convince the rest of us? After all - we are very unlikely to be converted to your view. There are much more fertile fields out there!

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The thing which annoys me about your posts EE, is that you seem to feel the need to defend God.

Code for: "The thing which annoys me about your posts EE, is that you say things that I don't agree with. And that really pisses me off!!"

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Are you sure you don't do all this arguing about 'evidence' to convince yourself more than to convince the rest of us?
They really are such naughty people who talk about that silly thing called 'evidence'! It should be banned!!

But maybe you're right: maybe all those desperate people who talk about 'evidence' are just trying to convince themselves. I always thought those atheist apologists, who keep harping on about evidence, don't really believe that God doesn't exist. Thanks for confirming that!!

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After all - we are very unlikely to be converted to your view.
The royal 'we' presumably!

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The thing which annoys me about your posts EE, is that you seem to feel the need to defend God.

Code for: "The thing which annoys me about your posts EE, is that you say things that I don't agree with. And that really pisses me off!!"
Nope - it doesn't piss me off at all. It intrigues me. I don't even particularly or strenuously disagree either.

I just question your motives.

I'm here for the community and chat [Smile]

What are you here for - to convert/convince others or to convince yourself?

There is no need to answer, but I am curious as to what you enjoy about the Ship?

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Perhaps I'm idolising Authority, but shouldn't that be 'God the Father, Jesus and the Spirit'?

Yes. Poor phrasing on my part.

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They really are such naughty people who talk about that silly thing called 'evidence'! It should be banned!!

Actually, very little of what you post is about evidence itself. It's mostly philosophy, which is interesting and even occasionally thought-provoking but ultimately as relevant to questions of fact and evidence as arguing over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

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I wish there were a 'Like' counter.

Patdys [Overused]

And Evensong, your SDFH is SOOOOOO right.

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Originally posted by Boogie:
The thing which annoys me about your posts EE, is that you seem to feel the need to defend God.

S/he doesn't need you to do that!

Doesn't S/he?

One wonders why anybody bothered to write the gospels then....

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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
They really are such naughty people who talk about that silly thing called 'evidence'! It should be banned!!

Actually, very little of what you post is about evidence itself. It's mostly philosophy, which is interesting and even occasionally thought-provoking but ultimately as relevant to questions of fact and evidence as arguing over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
Since when is philosophy not evidence?

It totally is.

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And Evensong, your SDFH is SOOOOOO right.

My SDFH?

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Actually, very little of what you post is about evidence itself. It's mostly philosophy, which is interesting and even occasionally thought-provoking but ultimately as relevant to questions of fact and evidence as arguing over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

Define what you mean by 'evidence'.

Oh wait... you can't! That would mean straying into something called philosophy!

Oh well...

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Nope - it doesn't piss me off at all. It intrigues me. I don't even particularly or strenuously disagree either.

I just question your motives.

I'm here for the community and chat

What are you here for - to convert/convince others or to convince yourself?

There is no need to answer, but I am curious as to what you enjoy about the Ship?

I assume you ask the same question of anyone who posts anything in Purgatory?

After all, I read the following concerning that board:

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Pull up a chair, get your brain in gear, and prepare for some serious time in Purgatory. This is where your ideas, views and beliefs can be refined and made fit for Heaven! Purgatory is our serious debate space – where theological, ethical, political, social and cultural issues are discussed from a Christian perspective. All views are welcome – orthodox, unorthodox, radical or just plain bizarre – so long as you can stand being challenged.
So you feel the need to question my motives for just doing in Purg what we are supposed to do in Purg? Why???

In fact, in the light of that, I have to wonder about your motives for even asking such a bizarre question!

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EE has spent a lot of time arguing with atheists and has developed a QED type approach which is all about 'proving' things and using logic and trying to win arguments on that basis. Fine, as far as it goes ... but it doesn't quite cut the mustard.

I think Patdys is right. There is a place for apologetics but it can end up counter-productive.

And the alternative which is not counter-productive vis-a-vis atheists is.....?

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It's the polar opposite of the Zen Masters and the mystics of the Eastern Orthodox tradition. They take a more 'show don't tell' approach.

There's room for both, of course, a kind of Western propositional approach and a more mystic or 'Eastern' style where you demonstrate rather than remonstrate.

Well I never!

Gamaliel of all people talking up mysticism! After all your long diatribes against those who rely on spiritual experiences alone, I'm shocked. I really am.

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The reason you have hell call, EE, is not that you argue a position with which others strongly disagree. Others do this and are not called here. It is the manner in which you do it. The sheer, unwarranted arrogance grates. It is fairly amusing that you and Gamaliel fight so, as you both share that trait.
Gamaliel seems to recognise this more often, though.

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Nope - it doesn't piss me off at all. It intrigues me. I don't even particularly or strenuously disagree either.

I just question your motives.

I'm here for the community and chat

What are you here for - to convert/convince others or to convince yourself?

There is no need to answer, but I am curious as to what you enjoy about the Ship?

I assume you ask the same question of anyone who posts anything in Purgatory?

After all, I read the following concerning that board:

quote:
Pull up a chair, get your brain in gear, and prepare for some serious time in Purgatory. This is where your ideas, views and beliefs can be refined and made fit for Heaven! Purgatory is our serious debate space – where theological, ethical, political, social and cultural issues are discussed from a Christian perspective. All views are welcome – orthodox, unorthodox, radical or just plain bizarre – so long as you can stand being challenged.
So you feel the need to question my motives for just doing in Purg what we are supposed to do in Purg? Why???

In fact, in the light of that, I have to wonder about your motives for even asking such a bizarre question!

Sorry, I didn't make myself very clear. I meant to question your motives in the light of your attitude. You just don't seem to enjoy being here at all, so I just idly wondered why you are.

My motives for asking are (as I said) curiosity as to what you get out of the Ship.

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Originally posted by Boogie
You just don't seem to enjoy being here at all

[Confused]

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The sheer, unwarranted arrogance grates.

Thus speaketh a paragon of humility!!!

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