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orfeo
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If someone wants to make this kind of idiotic gesture, I won't stop them.
That's one less person around to vote on the topic if it ever comes up again. Talk about giving a whole new meaning to 'loser'.
Idiot. Hysterical homophobic moron. Byeeeee.
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I know just the kind of punishment the devil might have in store for him.
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Thinning the herd.
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Does that deconsecrate the place?
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quote:
posted by Pulsator Organorum Ineptus
"What we need at this stage is a futile gesture".
Monty Python
No.
The quote is "We could use a futile gesture at this stage" and it was in the original Beyond the Fringe - the words being spoken by Peter Cook. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
Does that deconsecrate the place?
Canon 1211: Sacred places are violated by gravely injurious actions done in them with scandal to the faithful, actions which, in the judgment of the local ordinary, are so grave and contrary to the holiness of the place that it is not permitted to carry on worship in them until the damage is repaired by a penitential rite according to the norm of the liturgical books.
I would assume that the word "scandal" takes the ecclesiastical meaning, so I would guess that a rite is required in this unfortunate case.
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Tortuf
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A grumpy old son of a bitch decides that he needs to die to teach France a lesson about gay marriage.
To quote from a cousin "I wouldn't piss on him if his heart was on fire."
He went out of life like he apparently lived life; harming others with his reckless arrogance.
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Suspect dementia and probably thought disorder.
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I can understand why people are angry and upset about this, but not why the guy chose to off himself next to the high altar at Notre Dame. I'm sure the Catholic Church has been vigorously opposing same-sex marriage legislation in France, just as it has everywhere else. So the result is that the biggest organisation opposed to SSM is put to the trouble and inconvenience of having the cathedral reconsecrated.
Personally, I hope the Catholics are wrong about suicide being a mortal sin and that he has been forgiven. Jesus died for everyone, even arrogant homophobic control freaks.
Nobody said forgiving your enemies was easy.
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Marvin the Martian
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I guess he just couldn't face life in a world where he wasn't allowed to marginalise and persecute gays any more.
If only a few other homophobes had the same courage in their convictions. The world could be made a better (albeit briefly messier) place in no time.
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At the very least I hope a few French Christians* will be thinking a bit more seriously about whether they really want to try to achieve their political aims by cosying up the National Front. It's been ugly.
(*Both Catholics and Protestants have been opposing same-sex marriage, quite loudly. The RCs are more noticeable, though, on account of their being considerably more numerous.)
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EtymologicalEvangelical
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian
If only a few other homophobes had the same courage in their convictions. The world could be made a better (albeit briefly messier) place in no time.
So you welcome the execution of people who oppose gay marriage?
I never realised you were a fanatical fundamentalist on a par with the worst theocrats of the Bible Belt!
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Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
So you welcome the execution of people who oppose gay marriage?
I have never joined any of the choruses dogging you in Hell.
Now I will.
What a shit head comment. Marvin never suggested execution. You just twisted his anger at this jerk to suit your own, rather frightening, need to be a advertisement for the dark side of evangelism.
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I find it far easier to sympathise with the soul and motives of Dominique Venner than I do with EtymologicalEvangelical.
Not much easier, but at least I have some for M. Venner.
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Originally posted by no prophet:
Suspect dementia and probably thought disorder.
Yes, that explanation makes sense to me, if you can make sense out of someone taking their life so senselessly for such an idiotically senseless reason. What a waste!
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Originally posted by Jane R:
Personally, I hope the Catholics are wrong about suicide being a mortal sin and that he has been forgiven. Jesus died for everyone, even arrogant homophobic control freaks.
Nobody said forgiving your enemies was easy.
This. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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EtymologicalEvangelical
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Originally posted by tortuf
You just twisted his anger at this jerk to suit your own, rather frightening, need to be a advertisement for the dark side of evangelism.
Which is what exactly?
I never made any comment about my view of evangelism. Neither have I made any comment about gay marriage, either for or against.
So, if you want to talk about "shit head comments", then perhaps you ought to consider that you have just jumped to a conclusion about my position.
Marvin clearly stated that he wished people like Dominique Venner dead, because he was apparently 'homophobic'. Firstly, opposing gay marriage does not make someone 'homophobic' (by which, I assume, is meant hatred of homosexual people). It may have nothing to do with views on homosexuality, but more to do with one's views on the institution of marriage.
Now to wish someone dead, because they hold views with which you happen to disagree, is a very small step from desiring their execution.
It's funny how you rail against me for apparently failing to indulge Marvin's anger, expressed through an intemperate and deeply fascist remark. Why don't you extend the same indulgence to me? If you don't like the way my remark is worded, then perhaps I could say that I am simply expressing my anger?
Or perhaps you just hold me to a higher standard than dear little Marvin? If so, I'm flattered, though I feel sorry that Marvin is being patronised (although I am sure he can stand up for himself, and doesn't need little you to hold his hand).
At the heart of it is this: there are certain moralisers in this world who feel at liberty to rail against and condemn those who uphold traditional morality (whether justified or not), but woe betide anyone who dares to expose their own self-righteousness.
This is one such case.
Pathetic.
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Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
Marvin clearly stated that he wished people like Dominique Venner dead, because he was apparently 'homophobic'.
I certainly wouldn't miss them.
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Firstly, opposing gay marriage does not make someone 'homophobic'
Yes it does. In exactly the same way that opposing mixed-race marriages makes you racist.
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It may have nothing to do with views on homosexuality, but more to do with one's views on the institution of marriage.
It doesn't matter why your boot is stamping on someone's face, only that it is.
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Now to wish someone dead, because they hold views with which you happen to disagree, is a very small step from desiring their execution.
No, it's a fucking massive step.
While I'll freely accept that what I said wasn't very nice (hint: it wasn't supposed to be), to accuse me of being a fascist who wants to execute all who disagree with me is laughable. And frankly, it says more about you than it does about me.
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At the heart of it is this: there are certain moralisers in this world who feel at liberty to rail against and condemn those who uphold traditional morality (whether justified or not), but woe betide anyone who dares to expose their own self-righteousness.
Traditional morality (AKA "only those people who are acceptable to the heirarchy may have the right to order their life as they see fit") can suck my shitty ass, and I'm eating a fucking vindaloo first. Deal.
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Tortuf
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Marvin,
I am going to save myself time and headache by not reading EE anymore. I suggest you do the same.
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EE, where the fuck did Marvin say he supported the execution of the likes of M. Venner?
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Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
Now to wish someone dead, because they hold views with which you happen to disagree, is a very small step from desiring their execution.
I wish I had as much money as Bob Diamond. Does that mean I advocate stealing from his bank account?
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EtymologicalEvangelical
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Tortuf -
If you can't stand the heat of the kitchen...
Marvin -
And to think that you were the one who used to go on and on and on ad nauseam about "how there is good in everyone"...
Looks like we've seen the real Marvin!
(By the way... your racism comparison is invalid, because some people define marriage in heterosexual terms, much like procreation is necessarily defined. There is rather a fundamental difference between race and sex, for obvious biological reasons!)
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Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
Now to wish someone dead, because they hold views with which you happen to disagree, is a very small step from desiring their execution.
For rational people there are many, many steps between expressing a passive wish for a troublesome person's demise, and instituting legal execution for those of other views.
Anyone who truly believes what you've written above, EE, is potentially a dangerous sociopath.
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Marvin the Martian
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Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
And to think that you were the one who used to go on and on and on ad nauseam about "how there is good in everyone"...
It's pretty well hidden in some. But in Salvation terms I'm sure this chap will even now be seeing the error of his ways and letting the good that is in him lead him through to paradise, just as one day we all will.
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By the way... your racism comparison is invalid, because some people define marriage in heterosexual terms, much like procreation is necessarily defined.
Well yes, some people define marriage in heterosexual terms. And some people define it in race-segregated terms. So what?
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There is rather a fundamental difference between race and sex, for obvious biological reasons!
That there is a difference between those concepts is obvious. That it's a difference that affects whether two people can elect to commit their lives to one another in a loving relationship is not.
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Marvin the Martian
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Originally posted by Anselmina:
Anyone who truly believes what you've written above, EE, is potentially a dangerous sociopath.
As I said above, it says more about him than it does about me.
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EtymologicalEvangelical
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Originally posted by Anselmina
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Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical
Now to wish someone dead, because they hold views with which you happen to disagree, is a very small step from desiring their execution.
Anyone who truly believes what you've written above, EE, is potentially a dangerous sociopath.
What utter pathetic bullshit!
Your comment is the most retarded remark I have read on the Ship in all the time I have been here (and that is saying something!)
So you seriously think that the person who merely points out that hatred - i.e. desiring others dead - can lead to action, is a "dangerous sociopath"?
OK. Fine. So Jesus Himself was a dangerous sociopath. Do you know what He said about hatred?
Or are really that piss ignorant? So we mustn't dare infer that "he who must not be mentioned for fear of transgressing Godwin's Law" indulged and fed a personal hatred of a certain group of people for years, before he then went on to execute his desires, must we? Because if anyone dares to point that out - like anyone with even a primary school grasp of human psychology - then that observer is the "dangerous sociopath" - not the maniac who actually does the killing!!
FFS. I need some fresh air after that...
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Sioni Sais
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If there's someone around who could possibly support EE, please do, to take some of the heat off him. He'll be complaining that he's persecuted/dogpiled/bullied next.
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Don't look at me. The stupid sod's being a right stupid sod here.
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EE- you're a real gift to Hell. Keep it coming.
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He has a very good and valid point here.
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Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
At the heart of it is this: there are certain moralisers in this world who feel at liberty to rail against and condemn those who uphold traditional morality (whether justified or not), but woe betide anyone who dares to expose their own self-righteousness.
This is one such case.
Pathetic.
![[Overused]](graemlins/notworthy.gif)
Essentially, both sides are playing the self-righteous game.
But hey. That's just life.
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Oh look, Evensong turns up in a Hell thread to cheer for the underdog. It must be a day ending in "y".
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It's all good and well for popular people.
Poor South Coast Kevin never had a fuckin chance calling you to hell did he?
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider
The stupid sod's being a right stupid sod here.
![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif)
Who woulda thunk it!!!!
The Great Karl (Il)liberal Backslider, who rants and raves and foams at the mouth on Kerygmania about how nasty and evil God is for killing people, now tells me that I am being a "right stupid sod" for criticising Marvin "There is good in everyone" The Martian for wanting other people dead, just because they hold a different theory of marriage to precious little him!!
Consistency, dear. Ever heard of it?
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Your image of God, EE, your image of him. Not the real one, at least I bloody well hope not.
But you've never grasped that distinction, have you? Just like you fail to grasp quite a few. Exhibit A; this thread.
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Marvin the Martian
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Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
just because they hold a different theory of marriage to precious little him
No, not because they believe different things to me. It's because they persecute others.
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Ricardus
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Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
So we mustn't dare infer that "he who must not be mentioned for fear of transgressing Godwin's Law" indulged and fed a personal hatred of a certain group of people for years, before he then went on to execute his desires, must we? Because if anyone dares to point that out - like anyone with even a primary school grasp of human psychology - then that observer is the "dangerous sociopath" - not the maniac who actually does the killing!!
Don't be silly. It's the 'small step' that people are objecting to. Lots of people, apparently*, have wished other people dead in their lives, but only a microscopic fraction of them actually put their desires into practice. From which one must conclude that it's not a small step at all, but a very large one.
* FWIW wishing people dead is one of the very few vices that I seem to have escaped. I've never seen the point - if they're dead, that eliminates all possibility of them ever saying, "Oh, how right you were all along, O Great Ricardus! How can I ever atone for my doubt?"
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Originally posted by Evensong:
It's all good and well for popular people.
Poor South Coast Kevin never had a fuckin chance calling you to hell did he?
Heh heh ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) I can at least comfort myself with the fact that I avoided getting mightily dogpiled...
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Ricardus
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Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
So you seriously think that the person who merely points out that hatred - i.e. desiring others dead - can lead to action, is a "dangerous sociopath"?
OK. Fine. So Jesus Himself was a dangerous sociopath. Do you know what He said about hatred?
Let's remind ourselves what Jesus actually said. He said (AIUI) that calling people bad names was on a spectrum that has murder at the end of it. Do you think any of the following constitute bad names?
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Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
a fanatical fundamentalist on a par with the worst theocrats of the Bible Belt ... the most retarded remark I have read on the Ship in all the time I have been here ... are you really that piss ignorant ... The Great Karl (Il)liberal Backslider ...
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Originally posted by Ricardus:
quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
So we mustn't dare infer that "he who must not be mentioned for fear of transgressing Godwin's Law" indulged and fed a personal hatred of a certain group of people for years, before he then went on to execute his desires, must we? Because if anyone dares to point that out - like anyone with even a primary school grasp of human psychology - then that observer is the "dangerous sociopath" - not the maniac who actually does the killing!!
Don't be silly. It's the 'small step' that people are objecting to. Lots of people, apparently*, have wished other people dead in their lives, but only a microscopic fraction of them actually put their desires into practice. From which one must conclude that it's not a small step at all, but a very large one.
* FWIW wishing people dead is one of the very few vices that I seem to have escaped. I've never seen the point - if they're dead, that eliminates all possibility of them ever saying, "Oh, how right you were all along, O Great Ricardus! How can I ever atone for my doubt?"
Well, concerning wishing someone dead, what might we extrapolate from Jesus' teachings re: adultery in Matthew 5:28?
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But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
At the very least I hope a few French Christians* will be thinking a bit more seriously about whether they really want to try to achieve their political aims by cosying up the National Front. It's been ugly.
Amen to that.
This incident fully vindicates my decision to stay well clear of the manif pour tous.
However, I think the way the law has been pushed through and the accompanying hamfisted ideological ranting by the government shows an appalling lack of sensitivity on its part about what is, obviously, a sensitive issue. It's been hard to find any sensible debate of the topic here (I mean in France, not the Ship).
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EE, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think that Gamaliel's presence was necessary to curb you in a bit. Without him here, you're sounding more shrill than ever. For someone who seems to prize logic very highly, the leap you made from what Marvin said to your description of what Marvin said was jaw dropping.
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Originally posted by The Riv:
Well, concerning wishing someone dead, what might we extrapolate from Jesus' teachings re: adultery in Matthew 5:28?
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But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
That Jesus understood and knew how to use hyperbole effectively?
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Firstly, opposing gay marriage does not make someone 'homophobic'
Yes it does. In exactly the same way that opposing mixed-race marriages makes you racist.
Really?! What about gay people who don't believe in gay marriage?
(I don't deny that a great number of people who oppose gay marriage - perhaps the majority - are homophobic, but it seems to me that it's not axiomatic.)
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From a related article:
French President Francois Hollande was set to sign a gay marriage and adoption bill into law on Saturday after it was cleared by the Constitutional Council which turned down a challenge by the right-wing opposition.
The Bills! The Bills!
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Originally posted by goperryrevs:
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Originally posted by The Riv:
Well, concerning wishing someone dead, what might we extrapolate from Jesus' teachings re: adultery in Matthew 5:28?
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But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
That Jesus understood and knew how to use hyperbole effectively?
Oi! Of to Purg with you! Seriously, though, there's a good point in there but not for here.
Poo, bum, cretin, arsehole, fanny batter etc - not aimed at anyone in particular; just making post Hellish. Or more Hellique, I suppose.
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EtymologicalEvangelical
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Originally posted by goperryrevs
Without him here, you're sounding more shrill than ever.
Well, yeah, I suppose it is being quite 'shrill' to get upset about someone who basically wants people to drop dead who don't agree with him!
Suppose I came on here and said the following: "I just wish that everyone who disagrees with my moral position would just fucking well drop dead". I assume you would respect my view, and not call this 'shrill', eh?
You get upset at my 'logic', but I've noticed that you don't seem too upset at Marvin's vile comment. I think that is rather telling. The one who wants people dead is given a free pass, and the criticism falls on the person who seeks to uphold life. Funny that.
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mousethief
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My God, EE, your self-righteousness is so thick that my knife has been blunted and bent. Not that that's anything new, of course.
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Ricardus
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Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
You get upset at my 'logic', but I've noticed that you don't seem too upset at Marvin's vile comment. I think that is rather telling. The one who wants people dead is given a free pass, and the criticism falls on the person who seeks to uphold life. Funny that.
Well, yes. Marvin's unpleasant but un-acted-upon desires remain a matter between him and the inside of his head, whereas your spraying insults all over the thread while putting words in other posters' mouths and ignoring what they're actually saying affects everyone who posts on this thread.
It's the difference, if you like, between private and public morality.
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Then the dog ran before, and coming as if he had brought the news, shewed his joy by his fawning and wagging his tail. -- Tobit 11:9 (Douai-Rheims)
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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There's a difference between wishing someone dead, killing someone, and allowing someone to do with their life as they wish, including taking it. I advocate the latter, which is a good deal more than M. Venner advocated for the rest of us.
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EtymologicalEvangelical
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Originally posted by Ricardus
Do you think any of the following constitute bad names?
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a fanatical fundamentalist on a par with the worst theocrats of the Bible Belt ... the most retarded remark I have read on the Ship in all the time I have been here ... are you really that piss ignorant ... The Great Karl (Il)liberal Backslider ...
1. "a fanatical fundamentalist on a par with the worst theocrats of the Bible Belt" - no, because it is the truth. Wishing people dead who simply take a different view on something is precisely like the fanaticism of the worst theocrats of the Bible Belt.
2. "the most retarded remark I have read on the Ship in all the time I have been here" - calling someone a "dangerous sociopath" who sees a connection between the desire that certain people should be dead and actually wanting to be involved in the implementation of that goal (a connection entirely in accordance with the record of history), is a truly insane comment. It is therefore a "retarded remark". What do you want me to say? That it's a very sensible idea, or something? So again, it's the truth.
3. "are you really that piss ignorant" - I would agree that the use of the word 'piss' as emphasis is rather emotional, but we are actually on a board called 'hell' where this kind of language is expected (and where emotionally driven hyperbole is not only tolerated but defended, hence the fact that Marvin has got away scot free with his murderous language). So are you just criticising me here or are you willing to criticise the Ship for running this hell board? Or are you playing the hypocrite by targetting me, and yet not pulling other people up on their language? Do please clarify that point. Thank you.
4. "The Great Karl (Il)liberal Backslider" - yes, he is illiberal. Read his posts. So I make no apology for telling the truth.
As for your "bad name" theory... how do you read Jesus' words in Matthew 23? Just askin'...
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