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Evensong
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I'd respond on the purg thread but I suspect we might be told off.
And I'm trying to be a Good Girl these days.
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Originally posted by Trisagion:
Evensong, that you of all people would lecture anyone about communication proves that you completely lack a sense of irony.
Is that right?
I think I communicate quite well in purgatory.
I essentially said the same thing you did. I just managed to say it without sounding like a pompous idiot.
I usually reserve my pomposity for Hell ( tho I admit, I do occasionally get carried away in purg ).
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Originally posted by Trisagion:
Nothing further needs to be said - indeed would be otiose.
Before people learnt to read and write perhaps. And believed everything they were told. And nobody bothered to explain details to them because they couldn't possibly understand the complex details.
Otiose to you perhaps - but not normal people. (Fuck me, I thought I was bombastic. Otiose?)
But unless you hadn't noticed, were not in the Dark Ages anymore Toto.
Jaysus, Mary and Joseph man - you sounded almost as bad as CL on that thread.
Safety in the Lord's promise?
Pious twattery.
Hate to break it to you mate, but the Church is not perfect.
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Zach82
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I can't vouch for the niceness of the comment, just that continuing to argue the point would indeed be otiose. What point is there in trying to argue objective truth with people that don't even believe in the simplest demands of objectivity or rationality?
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lilBuddha
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May I point out that using otiose on an Internet forum is one of the most hilarious things I've seen in quite a while?
No? Oh well, as the poet said: TS, Eliot.
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Trisagion
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
May I point out that using otiose on an Internet forum is one of the most hilarious things I've seen in quite a while?
I'm so glad to have given you such entertainment. Get out much?
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lilBuddha
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No, I do not. They are getting better about fastening the straps.
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Honest Ron Bacardi
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Evensong vouchsafed: quote:
(Fuck me, I thought I was bombastic. Otiose?)
Yup - both.
Likewise jejune.
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Jon in the Nati
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My goodness, ES, you certainly are a delicate little flower. All Trisagion did was criticise your communication skills; imagine how badly your jimmies might have been rustled if he'd actually made a personal attack on you.
This Hell thread is piss-weak.
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South Coast Kevin
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This Hell thread is piss-weak. [/QB]
That's as may be, but Evensong wanted to complain about the tone of Trisagion's comments, rather than addressing the actual content. AIUI, Hell is the place for this.
Says I, having started a couple of similarly piss-weak Hell threads in my time here!
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Sioni Sais
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quote:
Originally posted by Jon in the Nati:
My goodness, ES, you certainly are a delicate little flower. All Trisagion did was criticise your communication skills; imagine how badly your jimmies might have been rustled if he'd actually made a personal attack on you.
This Hell thread is piss-weak.
A thread is only as strong as the participants. Get it?
That's not personal, but if people want better threads, let's have better posts. You're allowed to think in Hell too.
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And stink too. You're allowed to stink. Don't forget that.
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mousethief
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quote:
Originally posted by Zach82:
I can't vouch for the niceness of the comment, just that continuing to argue the point would indeed be otiose. What point is there in trying to argue objective truth with people that don't even believe in the simplest demands of objectivity or rationality?
This sums up getting into any argument with Evensong, as far as I've ever witnessed.
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Sioni Sais
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quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
I'd respond on the purg thread but I suspect we might be told off.
And I'm trying to be a Good Girl these days.
quote:
Originally posted by Trisagion:
Evensong, that you of all people would lecture anyone about communication proves that you completely lack a sense of irony.
Is that right?
I think I communicate quite well in purgatory.
I essentially said the same thing you did. I just managed to say it without sounding like a pompous idiot.
I usually reserve my pomposity for Hell ( tho I admit, I do occasionally get carried away in purg ).
quote:
Originally posted by Trisagion:
Nothing further needs to be said - indeed would be otiose.
Before people learnt to read and write perhaps. And believed everything they were told. And nobody bothered to explain details to them because they couldn't possibly understand the complex details.
Otiose to you perhaps - but not normal people. (Fuck me, I thought I was bombastic. Otiose?)
But unless you hadn't noticed, were not in the Dark Ages anymore Toto.
Jaysus, Mary and Joseph man - you sounded almost as bad as CL on that thread.
Safety in the Lord's promise?
Pious twattery.
Hate to break it to you mate, but the Church is not perfect.
ES, much as it pains me I have to agree with Trisagion. The post quoted is typical of your posts elsewhere (except it is longer) as there are very few paragraphs beyond a couple of sentences. No message flows and it reads like statements or soundbites. It looks from a distance like Mousethief's Greatest Posts.
It's very difficult to follow an argument presented like this, whatever the merits of the points being made.
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Evensong
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Yes you're right. I do do soundbites too often. Kind of stream of consciousness stuff (verbal diarrhea?). But surely I'm fairly coherent in purg. Take these two examples. Surely they're comprehensible? I'm not that bad on other parts of the ship.
As for my OP, Trisagion knew what I was on about.
And yes Trisagion, this was much better. "I dunno but I trust the church" sounds more friendly, honest, and reasonable than it's wrong cos scripture and the church say so. It also invites discussion rather than closes it.
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Justinian
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Evensong, you've done something I thought was almost impossible. Made me agree with Trisagion. ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif) ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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The Silent Acolyte
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quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
<tripe not worth spending pixels on>
ES, much as it pains me I have to agree with Trisagion. The post quoted is typical of your posts elsewhere (except it is longer) as there are very few paragraphs beyond a couple of sentences. No message flows and it reads like statements or soundbites. It looks from a distance like Mousethief's Greatest Posts.
It's very difficult to follow an argument presented like this, whatever the merits of the points being made.
This really is an Evensong Hell Call. Trisagion should retire from the field.
Sioni Sais is bang on target.
Evensong, your posts are random ejaculatory statements. The logic that may (or may not) link them together remains hidden beneath the cover of your fevered brow. You rarely bother to write the prose necessary to convince your reader to agree with you as you hop from disjointed statement to disjointed statement, as if you were some demented frog, traversing the lilypads of your private mental pond.
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mousethief
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quote:
Originally posted by The Silent Acolyte:
[Y]our posts are random ejaculatory statements. The logic that may (or may not) link them together remains hidden beneath the cover of your fevered brow. You rarely bother to write the prose necessary to convince your reader to agree with you as you hop from disjointed statement to disjointed statement, as if you were some demented frog, traversing the lilypads of your private mental pond.
Quotes file.
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lilBuddha
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quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
I essentially said the same thing you did. I just managed to say it without sounding like a pompous idiot.
ISTM, Evensong got this part right (minus the idiot part) at the time of her OP. Because the statement below certainly seemed pompous.
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Originally posted by Trisagion:
Nothing further needs to be said - indeed would be otiose.
The clarification asked for by SCK contradicted this, yes, but was after she posted the OP.
Side note: The perceived arrogance is what prompted my post.
Looking at the timing of the posts, I am at fault for missing the clarification.
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Evensong
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quote:
Originally posted by The Silent Acolyte:
Evensong, your posts are random ejaculatory statements. The logic that may (or may not) link them together remains hidden beneath the cover of your fevered brow. You rarely bother to write the prose necessary to convince your reader to agree with you as you hop from disjointed statement to disjointed statement, as if you were some demented frog, traversing the lilypads of your private mental pond.
Aaaaaaawwwww, maaaaaaaate. We rolled out the barrel just the other day! I thought we were best friends now!
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PD
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Originally posted by Jon in the Nati:
My goodness, ES, you certainly are a delicate little flower. All Trisagion did was criticise your communication skills; imagine how badly your jimmies might have been rustled if he'd actually made a personal attack on you.
This Hell thread is piss-weak.
No, it is worse than that - it is Carling Black Label!!!
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Sioni Sais
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quote:
Originally posted by Jon in the Nati:
My goodness, ES, you certainly are a delicate little flower. All Trisagion did was criticise your communication skills; imagine how badly your jimmies might have been rustled if he'd actually made a personal attack on you.
This Hell thread is piss-weak.
I disagree. The OP might not have been of the finest but it invited all sorts of incoming, some of which wasn't so bad.
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Geeze Louise Evensong. I can't view your link because my anti virus program says it is dangerous. What did you link to anyway?
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Jon in the Nati
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See ES? That is efficient communication.
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Organ Builder
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quote:
Originally posted by Jon in the Nati:
This Hell thread is piss-weak.
Any Hell thread which inspires the following exchange can't be all bad:
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Originally posted by Trisagion:
I'm so glad to have given you such entertainment. Get out much?
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
No, I do not. They are getting better about fastening the straps.
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Sarkycow
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Originally posted by Tortuf:
Geeze Louise Evensong. I can't view your link because my anti virus program says it is dangerous. What did you link to anyway?
Maria from the Sound of Music whirling in the grass meadows in her nun outfit, arms outstretched. With the phrase "Look at all the fucks I do not give" put around the picture.
I agree with your anti-virus software - Sound of Music is dangerous. It's liable to make your teeth fall out from saccharine sweetness, and your brain explode from the sheer stupidity of it all.
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
But it does make the point, which cannot be made too often, that all nice Austrians were against the Nazis. So they say.
If they weren't against the Nazis, then they weren't nice Austrians.
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Sarkycow
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
But it does make the point, which cannot be made too often, that all nice Austrians were against the Nazis. So they say.
Weren't the nice Austrians only against the Nazis because the Nazis were German and the nice Austrians were pro-Austria? Making them the Austrian version of the English Defense League...
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Loads of Nazis were Austrians. Never mind the obvious one, there's also Ernst Kaltenbrunner. Thousands of Austrians welcomed German troops into Austria in 1938, happy as they were to be "back in the Empire".
It's a modern miracle that they've managed to convince not only themselves, but also others that they were "victims". In fact they're got some dodgy politics going on there now.
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Sine Nomine
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Originally posted by Rosa Winkel:
Loads of Nazis were Austrians.
But surely not any nice ones.
(Although they do seem oddly reluctant to give people back their grandparents' paintings somehow.)
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Jon in the Nati
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But surely not any nice ones.
Nope. Just Rolf.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
But it does make the point, which cannot be made too often, that all nice Austrians were against the Nazis. So they say.
Maybe the good ones were, but plenty of good people aren't nice at all.
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
quote:
Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
But it does make the point, which cannot be made too often, that all nice Austrians were against the Nazis. So they say.
Maybe the good ones were, but plenty of good people aren't nice at all.
And there are plenty examples of that on the Ship.
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lilBuddha
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We have this picture in our minds that people who do bad things must be thoroughly bad. This is not generally the case.
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QLib
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Originally posted by Rosa Winkel:
People like Eichmann were apparently loving parents. My understanding of Philip Zimbardo is that any nice person is capable of doing evil things.
Achebe says it all
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