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lilBuddha
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Proposed legislation in Washington D.C. would enact a 24hr cool off period before getting a tattoo. This has prompted this OP. That government acts as a "nanny" is undoubted. And, to a point necessary.
But how much is too much?
This legislation. ISTM, goes too far. I do think placement and visibility ought to be considered. And I would highly suggest much thought and sobriety be part of ones decision. But laws?

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Amos

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Ah, the bill to prevent people waking up on Sunday morning with a tattoo they don't remember getting.

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I don't much care about tattoo artists and their customers. I don't see this as a gross intrusion on civil liberties. Constant surveillance by video and interception of electronic communication is far more worrying.

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the giant cheeseburger
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I approve of that legislation. The industry has clearly demonstrated that it's not able to self-regulate and ensure that informed consent is given, therefore the industry needs the government to kep an eye on it.

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Lucia

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Encouraging a bit of careful (sober!) contemplation before having something permanent like a tattoo would seem like a good idea really.

Dave Gorman could perhaps have done with this law...

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Leorning Cniht
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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
That government acts as a "nanny" is undoubted. And, to a point necessary.
But how much is too much?

The more irreversible the decision, the more a cooling-off period is useful.

My understanding is that you can't just walk in to a plastic surgeon's office and get a breast enlargement or a rhinoplasty that day. A tattoo isn't quite as invasive as that, but it's much more like a nose job than a haircut.

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The latter argument could be a slippery slope. Should there be a cooling-off period before (in no particular order):

--- getting married?
--- having in-vitro fertilization?
--- having an abortion?
--- adopting a child?
--- having oneself sterilized?
--- enlisting in the Marines?
--- buying a gun?
--- getting a divorce?
--- buying a house?
--- giving up custody of a child?
--- signing a DNR order?
--- disowning a child?
--- having preemptive mastectomies?
--- enrolling in college?
--- dropping out of college?
--- quitting a job?

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It is rather startling to consider what is wanted to be regulated. Tattoos? really? One can think of many other things more important to regulated. I'd like to see a cooling off period before one of those mega sugar drinks, getting a gun and purchasing online pornography. Particularly the porn with maybe certification of having had a cold shower. (we know guns are given to babies as shower gifts in the USA so not even going to bother further with that one)

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the giant cheeseburger
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Most of those examples already have them, whether they are explicitly called cooling-off periods (as in selling a house) or not.

I doubt that many GP offices would have a full surgical team ready like sprinters at the starting blocks for the moment a person says the words "I would like to get a preventative mastectomy."

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Dal Segno

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All of those quoted below have an in-built cooling-off period in the UK:

quote:
Originally posted by HCH:
The latter argument could be a slippery slope. Should there be a cooling-off period before (in no particular order):

--- getting married?
--- having in-vitro fertilization?
--- adopting a child?
--- buying a gun?
--- getting a divorce?
--- buying a house?
--- enrolling in college?
--- dropping out of college?
--- quitting a job?



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I expect tattoo parlors will move outside the D.C. limits. The Health Board and legislators can then pat themselves on the back for A Job Well Done.

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The tattoo limit is too far. A test of "Who else is physically endangered?" should be employed. If the action impacts only the receiver, then the government is acting as a nanny. I suppose some sort of infection argument could be made, but until I see some hard proof of that, I'm not willing to assume it is a widespread problem.
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quote:
Originally posted by no prophet:
I'd like to see a cooling off period before one of those mega sugar drinks, getting a gun and purchasing online pornography.

Why a waiting period on purchasing online porn? Any regulation of porn should be done before it gets to the point of being marketed to the consumer (e.g., ensuring that no underage persons were involved, insuring that no one is being exploited to do things against their will, and other things of that sort). But if none of those things is the case, why shouldn't adults be able to purchase material that provides erotic stimulation to them (if they don't mind running the chance of of infecting their computer with viruses or malware).

[ 09. September 2013, 03:24: Message edited by: malik3000 ]

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