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Offeiriad
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I'm getting forgetful in my old age, so I thought I'd give some young liturgical whipper-snapper a chance to show off ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) Please would somebody remind me: what exactly is the distinction between a 'Patronal Festival' and a 'Feast of Title'? Thank you!
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Pomona
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I just guessed that Feast of Title is for when churches aren't named after specific saints - so it doesn't have a patron to have a patronal for. Eg a church in my town is one of the four churches of the Holy Sepulchre in England, so doesn't have a patronal, but keeps Candlemass as its feast of title. On a tangent I would be interested to know what the other Holy Sepulchres in England keep!
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Pomona
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Sorry - Holy Sepulchre is one of four surviving round churches in England. There is another Holy Sepulchre in Cambridge though, but it's not used as a church. So I guess Holy Sepulchre in Northampton is the only one with a feast of title conundrum!
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venbede
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That's what I understood. St Peter's has a patronal. Holy Cross has a feast of title.
New Hall school in Essex is a house of the Canonesses of the Holy Sepulchre (who have been there since penal days) but I casn't find out when they keep their order's feast of title.
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Offeiriad
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Thank you: it's good, but not the answer I was looking for. You see, I can't remember the right answer, but I will recognise it when I see it! Any more thoughts out there?
We may be looking for a 'Western Rite' answer rather than a purely Anglican one, since the church I attended when I first learned it had a tendancy to go to bed for a week whenever the Pope coughed... ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Pomona
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Originally posted by Oferyas:
Thank you: it's good, but not the answer I was looking for. You see, I can't remember the right answer, but I will recognise it when I see it! Any more thoughts out there?
We may be looking for a 'Western Rite' answer rather than a purely Anglican one, since the church I attended when I first learned it had a tendancy to go to bed for a week whenever the Pope coughed...
Do you mean what the difference is between the services used? I don't think there would be any. I'm a bit puzzled as to what you're looking for ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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venbede
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I'm pretty sure what I said was from Ritual Notes. And what other than a Western Rite answer would you expect? The terms aren't used in the BCP.
I'll go and look in the small print of Common Worship.
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venbede
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I can't see the terms used in the main volume of CW, the lectionary or Daily Prayer.
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Offeiriad
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OK, not surprised it isn't in CW - my memory of the distinction dates from the era when Series 2 was radical! No, no difference between the services, just in the term used to describe the liturgical observance.
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venbede
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As Jade and Ritual Notes say, a partonal festival celebrates a patronal saint, and a feast of title celebrates a mystery in honour of which a church is dedicated.
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Oblatus
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Originally posted by venbede:
As Jade and Ritual Notes say, a partonal festival celebrates a patronal saint, and a feast of title celebrates a mystery in honour of which a church is dedicated.
We celebrate both our feast of title (Ascension Day) and patronal feast (St Michael the Archangel, under whose patronage the cornerstone was laid).
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Pomona
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Originally posted by Oblatus:
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Originally posted by venbede:
As Jade and Ritual Notes say, a partonal festival celebrates a patronal saint, and a feast of title celebrates a mystery in honour of which a church is dedicated.
We celebrate both our feast of title (Ascension Day) and patronal feast (St Michael the Archangel, under whose patronage the cornerstone was laid).
As do we - dedicated in honour of a mystery and have absorbed an obsolete parish dedicated to a particular saint.
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