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Baby Boomers. Even though I am one, I hate them.
They grew up in times of economic expansion, cheap everything, low interest rates, easy to get jobs, government services actually existed, pension plans, yadda yadda. They still plug up all the good jobs and wonder why young people seem to have limited direction, and not seeing the obviousness of their causing it all by not retiring at a normal age.
And they still whine. They racked up all the debt, spent all the money, and now still think the world should revolve around them. They are enemy, should be burnt a week longer in the Lake of Fire than everyone else come the apocalypse.
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I blame the parents.
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Originally posted by iamchristianhearmeroar:
And they continue to be pandered to by successive governments, as they know they're much more likely to turn out to vote...
And this is a problem how? Since when is political apathy a Good Thing?
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...and now still think the world should revolve around them.
I belong to the generation ahead of them--the Silent Generation. They have always demanded that people listen to them and understand them, but they have no inclination to listen to or understand other generations.
To be fair, they're not all like that. However, the ones who are like that manage to make themselves heard.
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I'm a Boomer. My parent's are the "me" generation, the ones who invented debt financing to have things they wanted now while passing the bills to their kids - which they told us was fair, "you kids are getting the education, we are debt-financing the schools so you can be the ones who pay off the debt."
They created social security so they wouldn't have to fund their own parents' old age, voted themselves social security increases every year so much that they received back every cent they put in after just a few years and gravy from then on - Boomers will break even at best.
Boomers are not the generation that looked for easy living. I'm the generation that marched to stop a war when the parents said "protest is unpatriotic." I'm the generation that battled for civil rights - equal treatment for blacks and for women - when the parents said "wait another generation or two." And kept on marching even after a friend's fiance was one of the three seminary students murdered at the bridge.
Yes we had to "sell out" and "work for the man" to pay the rent, but we brought blacks and women into the management positions with us. And awareness of the importance of the ecology.
Tell me again, what's the complaint about Boomers?
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Originally posted by Firenze:
Since when is political apathy a Good Thing?
Since never, but that wasn't my point. My point was that successive governments (in the UK) continue to chip away at those of working age, and - even worse! - those who do not yet work: vast, vast tuition fees for those going to University, slashing education maintenance allowance. And yet "those of riper years" who have considerable means (and clearly this is not everyone who is retired) get off comparatively lightly. Anything that will negatively impact upon those past retirement age, however wealthy they may be, is dubbed a "granny tax" by the liberal press.
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What Belle Ringer said.
Plus I grew up while rationing was still happening, for a short while.
With rampant inflation, my widowed mother had to take cleaning jobs to keep me in school.
People wore dull clothes to work and only had a fortnight's holiday.
Homosexuality was illegal and people were blackmailed and/or committed suicide.
Then Thatcher came along.
Not so good then - read Dominic Sandbrook's series of books about the 60s and 70s.
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'Boomers' was an American import. When I was a kid, we were referred to as 'The Bulge'. On balance, I think I'd rather be a bulge than a boomer.
But isn't all this inter-generational, blaming claptrap just how those who are laughing all the way to the bank (the one they get a fat bonus from and have mega shares in, as often as not - and they ain't boomers, too young for that) divert attention?
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Trouble is, the yoof either complain that quote:
boomers are sitting on all the good jobs
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boomers retire early and then we have to support their welfare payments.
Seems to me that short of a genocide of the over-50s, you can't have it both ways.
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Originally posted by no prophet:
Baby Boomers. Even though I am one, I hate them.
They grew up in times of economic expansion, cheap everything, low interest rates, easy to get jobs, government services actually existed, pension plans, yadda yadda. They still plug up all the good jobs and wonder why young people seem to have limited direction, and not seeing the obviousness of their causing it all by not retiring at a normal age.
And they still whine. They racked up all the debt, spent all the money, and now still think the world should revolve around them. They are enemy, should be burnt a week longer in the Lake of Fire than everyone else come the apocalypse.
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Originally posted by Adeodatus:
(Ooh! Logan's Run!)
But they looked so happy floating up on Carrousel. Come on Adeodatus, Renew!
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Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
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Originally posted by no prophet:
Baby Boomers. Even though I am one, I hate them.
They grew up in times of economic expansion, cheap everything, low interest rates, easy to get jobs, government services actually existed, pension plans, yadda yadda. They still plug up all the good jobs and wonder why young people seem to have limited direction, and not seeing the obviousness of their causing it all by not retiring at a normal age.
And they still whine. They racked up all the debt, spent all the money, and now still think the world should revolve around them. They are enemy, should be burnt a week longer in the Lake of Fire than everyone else come the apocalypse.
Now I am really really happy. Beeswax is back and we agree! (Least ways I haven't seen you for a while, and I have missed your crisp no-nonsense approach)
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Originally posted by Adeodatus:
boomers retire early and then we have to support their welfare payments.
You know, now I'm an OAP, I'm increasingly pissed off to hear my pension called 'welfare'. I frigging paid for it! And if I live so long that I'm a net drain on the nation's budget, that's because of my generation's contribution to medical advance. Bugger off!
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Originally posted by argona:
You know, now I'm an OAP, I'm increasingly pissed off to hear my pension called 'welfare'. I frigging paid for it! And if I live so long that I'm a net drain on the nation's budget, that's because of my generation's contribution to medical advance. Bugger off!
As a Young Working Person, well said! People do love to call everything welfare whenever they don't like to pay it. Similarly when I was laid off, I was also not on welfare. I was on unemployment insurance that I had earned all those years working for that company.
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Not you of course, Adeodatus!
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The whole idea of a 'normal' age to retire is problematic. Some of the conventions around retirement came into being at a time when living to the retirement age was not a common achievement.
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Welfare is what kids get. And they haven't paid anything into it, they expect it as a right.
OAP have contributed, through taxes, to nearly everything they receive.And even, through taxes, to things they would rather not receive.
Tell me again, why you hate the old, no_prophet? You're a blot on society.
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Originally posted by argona:
You know, now I'm an OAP, I'm increasingly pissed off to hear my pension called 'welfare'. I frigging paid for it! And if I live so long that I'm a net drain on the nation's budget, that's because of my generation's contribution to medical advance. Bugger off!
Really? Where are you from? In Canada, the gov't plan is paid for by the current contributions as a deduction on paycheques from those currently working. The old pension plans run by companies were "defined benefits" where you get a guaranteed amount based on pay when working and years of service. Many of these are under funded and are being paid by currently contributing workers.
The new plans are merely saving accounts where workers are actually having to personally save in an investment account, both their's and an employer contribution. Let's current workers off the hook and the individual is totally responsible.
Baby boomers have the good pensions. We've been told that many of them take our around $6 for each $1 they put in. So I'll bet you haven't paid for your pension at all. It is being paid by others.
And worse, you probably get seniors discounts on bus rides and concert tickets.
My error I suppose was to go to univ until I was 29. I ended up missing the groovy gravy train. So I'm pissed off at being a honorary member of the Generation Without A Name. (I am certainly not Gen X.) Dog crap douche bag puke chunk baby boomers. ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif)
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I am a Baby Boomer who went to university until I was 30 and have worked in universities since. I suppose that's the gravy train. ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
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Originally posted by argona:
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Originally posted by Adeodatus:
boomers retire early and then we have to support their welfare payments.
You know, now I'm an OAP, I'm increasingly pissed off to hear my pension called 'welfare'. I frigging paid for it!
I have no doubt you did, and I presume you mean via your taxes, unless you live in a country where one pays into a specific individual retirement fund throughout their working life.
However, there are plenty of retirement age who didn't, and they are not subject to the sort of sneering insult that other recipients of welfare receive, in my experience. No, all senior citizens 'deserve' their pension, because, after all, they paid for it. But take my mother, for instance. She worked in paid employment for a whole four years in this country, before giving it up to raise a family*. She is not treated or viewed any differently than any other pensioner, that I know of, but under the 'I've earned it' rationale, she should be.
You need to come up with some other justification for handing out pensions to cover the broad sweep, such as that it is both a sensible and humane thing to do, and a sign of a society where people are valued for more than just their economic output. Unfortunately this rationale applies pretty well to other kinds of 'welfare' also.
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*Let me just acknowledge, before the flood of complaints, that raising a family IS a job, one of the hardest of them all, and the contributions of homemakers should not be overlooked by society or government. But this is beside the point when discussing having paid for something via tax on one's income, because last time I checked, it paid pretty poorly.
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Originally posted by argona:
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Originally posted by Adeodatus:
boomers retire early and then we have to support their welfare payments.
You know, now I'm an OAP, I'm increasingly pissed off to hear my pension called 'welfare'. I frigging paid for it! And if I live so long that I'm a net drain on the nation's budget, that's because of my generation's contribution to medical advance. Bugger off!
Actually believe it or not, you have not. You have paid for the welfare to be provided while you worked. What comes to you afterwards is from the pay of those who are now working. The government has no reserves made up of the money you have paid.
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I'm a trailing edge baby boomer who may be retired very soon in the U.S. I've paid taxes and Social Security my whole life and have noticed that Congress in it's zeal to not raise taxes or lower expenditures spent all the social security money as it came in for important things like having a larger military than the rest of the world put together. Now the rhetoric starts about how the baby boomers are standing in the way of a world with no taxes but still all the spending on what Lobbyists think is important.
I have a 401(k) savings account because I've worked in private industry. This is a good thing because most of the companies I worked for aren't there anymore. While my compatriots who worked for the government still have defined pensions, the states and cities have never put aside enough money to pay for the pensions. What's happening now in Detroit is going to follow in almost every city and state. It will be like the airline industry where a new CEO takes the company through bankruptcy to shed all those inconvenient defined benefit pension obligations.
I've noticed a growing hatred for boomers, and it's quite understandable. The following generations have been screwed by paying outrageous tuitions and racking up student loan debts that can't be discharged through bankruptcy. The growing health care costs continue to be ignored for the benefit of those who profit from the drug and medical business establishment.
In short, for most generations in this country, most of us are screwed. It's unfortunate that we're going to fight among ourselves for the few scraps.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
The whole idea of a 'normal' age to retire is problematic. Some of the conventions around retirement came into being at a time when living to the retirement age was not a common achievement.
If you sit at a desk all day and push paper around, go to meetings and yak on the phone, you can work well past retirement age. But if you do physical labor, you still need to retire at the usual retirement age, if not sooner. Every time people talk about how folks are living longer and we should shift the retirement age to later in life, I notice that this is always coming from people who spend most of their working lives sitting on their asses.
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I am semi retired (work two days a week) and my husband is too (he works one day a week). We are both 56.
We are very lucky and enjoying it very much.
Our two boys benefited from our baby boomer investments. One was able to afford to train as an airline pilot and one to set up home in Heidelberg.
I don't apologise or feel guilty - what would that achieve?
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Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
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Originally posted by argona:
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Originally posted by Adeodatus:
boomers retire early and then we have to support their welfare payments.
You know, now I'm an OAP, I'm increasingly pissed off to hear my pension called 'welfare'. I frigging paid for it! And if I live so long that I'm a net drain on the nation's budget, that's because of my generation's contribution to medical advance. Bugger off!
Actually believe it or not, you have not. You have paid for the welfare to be provided while you worked. What comes to you afterwards is from the pay of those who are now working. The government has no reserves made up of the money you have paid.
Jengie
You're correct about how the cash moves, but my point stands. I funded the previous generation's old age. Now I'm getting old myself, it's not unreasonable to expect the same consideration. If the money's simply not there we have a problem.
But this kind of inter-generational blame shifting misses the point, though it suits some. We've been screwed by the take-the-money-and-run culture of the 80's and 90's. For which many share responsibility, including those post-boomers who were happy to live like there's no tomorrow. Emphatically not that whole generation. Just those on the make.
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Every generation has relied on the next generation to care for it in its old age! Yes you were fortunate you were in western countries when the population was still rising. Caring for people in old age when there are lots of young people is easy, caring when there are few is hard.
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Why is it that western societies aren't prepared to look after their old folk in comfort and dignity and yet deny the ill elderly the right to take their lives with medical assistance? Either care for them or let them choose to exit painlessly and with assistance if continued living without proper care is too much to bear.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
The whole idea of a 'normal' age to retire is problematic. Some of the conventions around retirement came into being at a time when living to the retirement age was not a common achievement.
If you sit at a desk all day and push paper around, go to meetings and yak on the phone, you can work well past retirement age. But if you do physical labor, you still need to retire at the usual retirement age, if not sooner. Every time people talk about how folks are living longer and we should shift the retirement age to later in life, I notice that this is always coming from people who spend most of their working lives sitting on their asses.
You do realise you just proved my point by outlining one of the factors that makes a big difference to retirement age?
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Living like there's no tomorrow? Actually, when I was growing up, it seemed like that but in a rather different way.
A few markers...
Daily reports in the newspaper we had delivere, on radiation levels from atmospheric nuclear tests.
Russian and American tanks nose-to-nose in Berlin.
The Cuban crisis. Sitting in class, watching the clock tick round to the time when, according to the news, US warships would intercept a Russian missile convoy. Waiting for the sirens, the world going bang.
Flicking through pages of a new diary, one Christmas, wondering how many I'd live to write on.
A friend saying, "It would have been nice to grow up."
Every generation has its fears - plague, famine, conventional wars - but while worries about personal survival are part of life, the belief that sooner or later, our luck couldn't hold, EVERYTHING would end, and not in some religious apocolypse with the saved tripping off to some lovely afterlife. Just, the end, for everyone. This was something new.
What did we do, me and my 'boomer' friends? We kept calm and carried on. Began careers, took out mortgages, started families/ But when was it? Around 1990. The Berlin wall had come down, the Soviet bloc was falling apart. Fukiyama was writing about the 'end of history' (fat chance!) One evening, I was getting my infant child ready for bed and it hit me... she would actually outlive me. I would die, but she would live on, and her children too. It shocked me, how deeply pessimism about the future had taken root in me.
So, yes, we did provisionally think about the future. But maybe our hearts weren't in it.
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Baby boomers will be our own downfall because there are so many of us. The benefits enjoyed by the previous generation are being fast eroded - it might have looked good even 5 years ago, but not now, or for the future.
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Baby boomers will be our own downfall because there are so many of us. The benefits enjoyed by the previous generation are being fast eroded - it might have looked good even 5 years ago, but not now, or for the future.
I suppose we wuz lucky for a while because in many countries the population of earlier generations was artificially depressed, notably the number of men. Plenty of boomers to pay for comparatively few pensions for their parents, but not so many Generation X'ers to pay for ours.
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For my part, I'll take on the chin what the demogaphics and the economics say. It's the whining guilt-tripping that gets up my nose. Fuck off.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by orfeo:
The whole idea of a 'normal' age to retire is problematic. Some of the conventions around retirement came into being at a time when living to the retirement age was not a common achievement.
If you sit at a desk all day and push paper around, go to meetings and yak on the phone, you can work well past retirement age. But if you do physical labor, you still need to retire at the usual retirement age, if not sooner. Every time people talk about how folks are living longer and we should shift the retirement age to later in life, I notice that this is always coming from people who spend most of their working lives sitting on their asses.
You do realise you just proved my point by outlining one of the factors that makes a big difference to retirement age?
I wasn't arguing with you.
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Don't forget their antics in church. Oh, the sandals! And the "contemporary" music that is older than me. And their write-your-own-liturgy-for-x tendencies.
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I put it down to a lack of good grandparenting. Nothing teaches tradition, order, manners and good taste like Grandma in her glory.
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...so wait, we're now blaming this on people who probably died in the 1960s?
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Yes, but they had the decency to die after just a couple years after retiring. This whole living for a couple decades after retiring is clearly bad for society.
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Yes, but they had the decency to die after just a couple years after retiring. This whole living for a couple decades after retiring is clearly bad for society.
Time to put 'peaceful pills' on sale in the chemists?
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Originally posted by RooK:
Yes, but they had the decency to die after just a couple years after retiring. This whole living for a couple decades after retiring is clearly bad for society.
Latest suicide statistics released here today show people over 85 have the highest suicide rate, so it doesn't seem too good for those who live that long either.
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Yes, but they had the decency to die after just a couple years after retiring. This whole living for a couple decades after retiring is clearly bad for society.
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I've heard that when the "Welfare State" level pensions were introduced (post-1945) there was some debate about the qualifying age. The Man at the Top (either Attlee or Truman, I can't remember if this was the UK or USA) asked how much we could afford and what life expectancy was for men. His advisors said "We can afford three years each and they live to 68". Hence the age 65 pension age.
It was that well thought out.
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argona
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Yes, that's how it was. And even in the 70's, when I qualified, I read that on average, a teacher who retired at 65 was dead by 67.
Ah well, if my pension dries up and I still have my marbles, I guess I'll shift my lazy arse back into the job market.
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Maybe the solution is the youth in Asia, or euthanasia. Or both. ?
So asks a Gen X friend in exactly those words with all they both imply.
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Dave W.
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Originally posted by argona:
Yes, that's how it was. And even in the 70's, when I qualified, I read that on average, a teacher who retired at 65 was dead by 67.
I doubt teaching was such a brutally tiring occupation even in the 70's. In the US in 1975, a 65 year old had an additional life expectancy of 16.1 years, according to the Centers for Disease Control. And even in 1950, it would have been 13.9 years.
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Chorister
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I have a feeling that, when the enormity of the birth bulge hits the 75 plus age group, Euthanasia will magically be made much easier. Then, when the bulge passes, the next generation will beat their breasts in horror as to how it could possibly have been allowed. Until the next bulge materialises....
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lilBuddha
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Cod
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Originally posted by leo:
Not so good then - read Dominic Sandbrook's series of books about the 60s and 70s.
I recently read Seasons in the Sun and was depressed to note that (once adjusted for inflation) my salary is the same as a 1970s lorry driver (I am a lawyer).
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OddJob
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So far nobody's actually defined which baby boom they're referring to. A major boom occured just after World War 2, followed by another in the early 1960s, whilst we're probably in the midst of one right now. AFAIK the peak occurred in 1962 - in GB at least.
Each age has faced different challlenges and opportunities, and I can't believe that life or living standards have actually become tougher for any age than for the one before. Most perceived difficulties stem from growing expectations. For example, how many 'struggling' younger people take foreign holidays, eat take-aways, own more than four changes of clothing and spend time relaxing instead of sitting at a table repairing things?
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