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Sioni Sais
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You know, I can stand any amount of Pom baiting from Australians (really; I've got family over there and recent phone calls have been at least as much fun as they were three years ago) and Aussies are the best mates in a tight spot, but I have had enough of tgc, with his latest on the cricket thread. He typifies the term "well-balanced" in that he has a chip on each shoulder.

His latest jibe at Graeme Swann, who has played a huge part in three successive Ashes series victories over Australia is a typically nasty and cheap shot by this, the wrong kind of 'floater'.

Worse still, I call him for sustained and insidious racist comments about anything to do with cricket, cricket administration and umpiring from the Indian subcontinent.

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Add to that his equating serious mental illness with a sportsman who feels he's reached the natural end of his career.

tgc is a prick of the highest order.

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I don't know about the racist stuff, but calling Swann chicken is not so heinous, is it? I am used both to the Stretford End at Old Trafford, and the former Shed at Stamford Bridge, and 'chicken' would be considered a fulsome compliment in both those vicinities. Different sports, of course.

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Probably affected by the (apochryphal!) observation by the young Fred Trueman on his first tour to an Australian dignitary when both were in their cups.

Dignitary:

Austrayliah is the Fyenest Cuuntry in the woorld and the Austraylain people are the Fyenest people in the woorld.

Fred.

Yeh. Your ancestors were sent there by the "fyenest" magistrates in England!

Cost Fred a tour or too, but the emnity remains .. particularly about cricket.

tgc does a bit of sledging on board, but it's a form of imitation, isn't it? Gets it from the execrable Aussie sporting press no doubt. Don't look for balanced reporting from much of that genre.

[ 26. December 2013, 16:46: Message edited by: Barnabas62 ]

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Tch. This is what comes of taking games too seriously.

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A hell-call about cricket team trash-talk? [Confused]

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It'd probably be too un-PC to broadcast now, but Dave Allen once made a quip when my parents saw him perform live.

He'd just returned from a tour of Aus'.

'D'you know, the Australians are the friendliest and most generous people in the world. They'll share anything with you. They'd even give you the shirt off their backs. Why, they'd even share their wives with you ... ' (and so on) '... It's those white bastards you want to watch ...'

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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
A hell-call about cricket team trash-talk? [Confused]

Nope, this is all about tgc. Cricket sledging is another thing entirely and honorable by comparison.

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Haven't really followed enough to be sure, but doesn't he sneak pond wars/ race baiting / nationality baiting into the cricket talk? If not, I stand corrected. In any case, people seem to be specifically frustrated with him quite often.

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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
A hell-call about cricket team trash-talk? [Confused]

Sioni wants to fuck with me. It's a Christmas tradition - make it look like English, but make comet learn a foreign language.

I'll be over here with my Rosetta Stone Cricket edition.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Haven't really followed enough to be sure, but doesn't he sneak pond wars/ race baiting / nationality baiting into the cricket talk? If not, I stand corrected.

It's the race baiting that's the main problem, especially directed at those who come from south west Asia. Second problem is not knowing where the line is when it comes to acceptable banter. (Comments around Jonathon Trott's recent public admission of mental illness being a topical example.) Third problem is being generically Aussie-is-amazing-everyone-else-wishes-they-were-just-like-us jerkish.

In fairness, the third issue is less problematic than the other two.

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quote:
Originally posted by comet:
Sioni wants to fuck with me.

I wonder if I'll be asked to sing at the funeral.

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I think Australian fans are pretty entitled to gloat, and the whole Swann incident is pretty strange. And umpiring is often shit, and cricket administration is mired in red tape. And the Indians have a lot to answer for.

All seems rather mild and par for the course to me. England did well for a few Ashes tours, but when pushed on unfamiliar pitches at the end of the season, they're a bunch of lightweights.

Still. We've had a pretty good run, what with the Ashes and the Lions. We just thought we'd let them have a chance to play now.

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It's not just Aussie gloating. It's Adelaide gloating. Adelaide Oval has the best staff in the world don't you know. They are kind enough to give their advice to those poor pathetic Indians, I seem to recall. Presumably they don't give advice to the folks at such backwaters as the Melbourne Cricket Ground* though.

* The MCG just set a world record for the largest crowd at a cricket match, and was the home of the 1956 Olympics. But hey, Adelaide still has higher standards.

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Orfeo, what on earth are you referencing?

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Don't be too hard on tgc. Cricket fans are pretty limited in their faculties, by definition. Expecting him to recognize how loathsome posting his blithe prejudice is, it's like hoping your dog loses his urge to eat his own feces before he licks your face again.

Luckily, I hardly have to read any of his shitty and amazingly boring posts any more.

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quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
...* The MCG just set a world record for the largest crowd at a cricket match, and was the home of the 1956 Olympics. But hey, Adelaide still has higher standards.

...and a very ancient scoreboard!

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Please sir, what does "The Chicken in this match" mean?

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"The Chicken" is a reference to Graeme Swann, who retired from international and first class cricket just before the fourth Test.

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quote:
Originally posted by comet:
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
A hell-call about cricket team trash-talk? [Confused]

Sioni wants to fuck with me. It's a Christmas tradition - make it look like English, but make comet learn a foreign language.

I'll be over here with my Rosetta Stone Cricket edition.

Be careful Comet! There are already lots of straight men and gay women who seriously fancy you due to your awesome hostliness... if you learn about Cricket as well there's one or two who will find you irresistible!
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quote:
Originally posted by Patdys:
Orfeo, what on earth are you referencing?

I'm thinking of
this previous effort.

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quote:
Originally posted by Imaginary Friend:
"The Chicken" is a reference to Graeme Swann, who retired from international and first class cricket just before the fourth Test.

He was hardly a Chicken. Still don't quite know why he retired. He was one of the most successful bowlers on the English side in the July Ashes.

But what has that to do with Panesar being a Chicken?

[Confused]

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Who said anything about Monty being a chicken? tgc is calling Swann a chicken. What's hard to understand about that?
Those who are querying the Hell call are missing the fact that it's probably a case of the straw breaking a camel's lower vertebrae. As orfeo notes, tgc is very fond of making up stuff about Adelaide - its oval's ground staff are the best in the world, it has more sun than Queensland etc. It gets old.
That thread has had it's share of acrimony - Cod (in particular), IF, tgc and definitely I myself are hardly guilt free. I think the comments about Trott are more problematic than those about Swann, personally. But I get why SS is annoyed.

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But I also think you are unlikely to get satisfaction. I've seen tgc down here, but I've not known him to respond to Hell-calls.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight:
Those who are querying the Hell call are missing the fact that it's probably a case of the straw breaking a camel's lower vertebrae.

I think this is accurate.

quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight:
As orfeo notes, tgc is very fond of making up stuff about Adelaide - its oval's ground staff are the best in the world, it has more sun than Queensland etc. It gets old.

It's the steady drip-drip-drip of casual racism that I find the most infuriating. A close second is not knowing where the line is between acceptable and unacceptable banter. The Australia/Adelaide stuff does get old, but I think that is more worthy of parody than anger.

quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight:
That thread has had it's share of acrimony - Cod (in particular), IF, tgc and definitely I myself are hardly guilt free. I think the comments about Trott are more problematic than those about Swann, personally.

Agreed on both counts. But I'm fine with there being a bit of rough-and-tumble on the sports threads, so long as it stays within the boundaries of the 10 Commandments. And Goodness knows the shackledraggers can't complain given that they invented sledging. I come back to my point about the line: In my opinion, tgc is the only one who has overstepped it more than once in a blue moon.

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But I also think you are unlikely to get satisfaction. I've seen tgc down here, but I've not known him to respond to Hell-calls.

Yeah, and that makes his use of the label "chicken" all the more unfortunate.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight:
Who said anything about Monty being a chicken? tgc is calling Swann a chicken. What's hard to understand about that?

tgc said:

quote:
Panesar has been brought into the side for The Chicken in this match.
I assumed is was a Cricket term I was unfamiliar with. (i.e. The Nightwatchman - which could refer to any lower order batsman on the side).

I didn't realise it was a Swann epitaph.

Is that hard to understand?

[ 27. December 2013, 12:34: Message edited by: Evensong ]

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Yeah, a little, since no one actually referred to Monty being a chicken.
Aussies invented sledging? Really? Perhaps one of my convict ancestors muttered something derogatory to one of the colonising shitbags who imprisoned him for stealing bread and transported him thousands of kilometres from home. But I'm sure he was sorry. And if he wasn't then, I'm sure he was after another of the aforementioned colonising shitbags tied him to a post and horsewhipped him.
If we are confining ourselves to sport, I think our American cousins might have something to say about that claim also. I'm pretty sure trash talking has a fairly long history in sport over there. I could be wrong.

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DK, Australia figures in two of the stories about the origin of "sledging" within cricket. The first is from c 1963-64 in which Ian Chappell describes any cricketer who used foul language in a lady's presence as "Acting like a sledgehammer". The other is about the Aussie quick bowler Grahame Corling who alleged a player was having an affair with another player's wife, and when the cuckolded man came out to bat the fielding team whistled "When a man loves a woman" by Percy Sledge.

That said, there's been abuse in sport since the first cheese was rolled down a hill, but sledging, with its sexual origins, appears to be an Australian invention.

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Wow. Cricket has its own specialized term for "trash talk". That's why I like the Ship. So much interesting information.

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quote:
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
Tch. This is what comes of taking games too seriously.

Especially one named after an insect

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quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
]I assumed is was a Cricket term I was unfamiliar with. (i.e. The Nightwatchman - which could refer to any lower order batsman on the side).

I didn't realise it was a Swann epitaph.

Is that hard to understand?

I have caught myself wondering several times this series which English batsman was playing the Chicken.

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quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
It's not just Aussie gloating. It's Adelaide gloating. Adelaide Oval has the best staff in the world don't you know. They are kind enough to give their advice to those poor pathetic Indians, I seem to recall. Presumably they don't give advice to the folks at such backwaters as the Melbourne Cricket Ground* though.

* The MCG just set a world record for the largest crowd at a cricket match, and was the home of the 1956 Olympics. But hey, Adelaide still has higher standards.

So let me see.
We are castigating Cheesy for various forms of vilification and sledging. Which I have no ball in as cricket gives me the runs (That was pathetic even by my appallingly low standards).

You have complained that Adelaide Groundskeepers are advising the rest of the world re pitch and turf preparation, which from my read of the media seems to be true when they are asked. (I am not sure that Adelaide groundskeepers fly the world spontaneously critiquing other ovals). And then you are comparing that groundskeeping to stadium crowd and capacity size and previous usage of a stadium to justify vilifying 1.2 million Adelaide people.

So on this thread we have gone from cutting the cheese to bagging all Australians to bagging all people living in Adelaide, using the same approach cheesy was called to Hell for. I guess it makes as much sense as cricket itself.

The only reply to all this is of course,
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Who is bagging Adelaide? I would gladly raise a pint with your good self and tgc if I ever find myself at a shipmeet there, Patdys.
orfeo and I are merely pointing out that other Australians find tgc's peculiar brand of Adelaide pariochialness quite irritating.
I quite like Adelaide. Lovely art gallery, some nice churches, a decent beer in Coopers Pale (not really hoppy enough for me, but different strokes etc.) ... um, Rundle Mall. I could go on. Actually, I can't. But I'm sure it has other charms.
And you must make allowances for our English friends, and talk of "shackle draggers" and so on. Their boys did just lose the Ashes and all.
But this is all besides the point. tgc has been called here to answer for his comments about Swann. Personally, I don't really understand why Swann left midway through, although when Damian Martyn did it no one thought he was being a chicken. And I guess we're all still wondering who he was referring to as having their "heads up their own backsides"

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Quoting the post is a clue. [Biased]
There is no ire in my post DK.

It amused me that the thread went from one individual to an entire country and then to a State. And I suspect, being a member of two out of three* of those sets prompted my response.

*Although cheesy and I have never been seen together in the same room, I am pretty sure I am not he.

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Patdys, I'm not bagging Adelaide. I'm bagging one Adelaide resident for ridiculous Adelaide grandstanding - I think it was the use of the word 'overwhelmingly' that did my head in the most.

There's nothing wrong with loving the place that you live. I myself openly love Canberra in the face of the general Australian pasttime of Canberra-bashing. But there's a vast ego gap between "Adelaide has great ground staff" and "everybody overwhelmingly knows Adelaide has the best ground staff in the world".

The first is an affirmation of Adelaide. The second is an attempt to put down everywhere else.

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Ok, I have been reading corporately, not individually. Re- reading I see my error. Sorry. Swing and a miss.

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Guys, I hoped you would have worked out from the OP that I had called tgc to Hell for sustained cheap and nasty jibes outside Hell. I really don't have a quarrel with Australia, its cricketers or other Australians.

I simply reckon that given the nature of tgc's posts on the cricket thread in The Circus the only way to continue discourse with him is now here, but so far he hasn't shown up.

Did someone say "chicken"?

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And then there's the supportive and community-minded cycling thread in AS, where the script goes something like this:
quote:
Poster 1: Hey, I went on this great ride/got this great new bike/did something exciting/think cyclist X is pretty cool/want to watch race Y/want to see if anyone else uses ride tracker Z/generally just enjoy biking.

Poster 2-n: Hey, that's pretty cool! Congratulations/let me tell you my ideas/let's talk!

TGC: You all are stupid. Let me tell you what a real ride/race/bike/rider is like/does.

Or sometimes we get how Australia—Adelade in particular—is The World's Hub for biking, with the rest of us poor benighted souls condemned to insignificance behind Reestablished Australian Cycling Dominance. Or there's the Giant Cheeseburger Ranking of Peoples:
Australians, of course, speak with the Voice of God, and are to be taken seriously by the inferior races at all time. Other peoples of the Commonwealth, while only fifth-rate Australians, are still sometimes worth a side mention, the poor dears, even the English. Below that, we're in pretty murky gradations of shitsifting—it's like separating constipated turds from Hershey squirts on the best days—but I imagine it's something along the lines of continental Europeans, Americans, most of the rest of the world (why can't they learn English like even the dumb Yanks think they have?), and then the Indian subcontinent. Below the Indians is not even the demons; any accomplishments by an Indian are to be discounted, any of their opinions, dismissed, and foibles or errors, magnified into conclusive evidence of their inferiority as a people. It's pretty predictable, not at all entertaining, but happily easy to ignore—when it doesn't derail the otherwise nice discussion we were having with blatant self-important fuckwittery.

So ring-a-ding-a-ding! HELL CALL! Taking bets as to whether Littlecheese shows up to his own accounting.

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quote:
Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
quote:
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
Tch. This is what comes of taking games too seriously.

Especially one named after an insect
Philistines

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quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
Philistines

I thought that was hockey.

quote:
Originally posted by Ariston:
—but I imagine it's something along the lines of continental Europeans, Americans, most of the rest of the world (why can't they learn English like even the dumb Yanks think they have?), and then the Indian subcontinent.

Don't you mean Murricans?

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quote:
Originally posted by alienfromzog:
Be careful Comet! There are already lots of straight men and gay women who seriously fancy you due to your awesome hostliness... if you learn about Cricket as well there's one or two who will find you irresistible!
[Biased]

AFZ

*smooth, sexy voice*

hey there, big boy... is that a wicket in your pocket or are you just ...

yeah, I got nothin'. sorry. more studying necessary.

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Actually, I suspect Pres. Obama ranks at the very bottom of TGC's tiered system.

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quote:
Originally posted by comet:
hey there, big boy... is that a wicket in your pocket or are you just ...

"Stump", dear. A wicket comprises three stumps and two bails, and if anyone had the whole thing in their pocket they'd have far more to worry about than any attractive redhead that might be in the locality.

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quote:
Originally posted by comet:
hey there, big boy... is that a wicket in your pocket or are you just ...

Perhaps you could use 'are there bails with your balls.'
The alliteration seems to work.

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quote:
Originally posted by Latchkey Kid:
...Perhaps you could use 'are there bails with your balls.'...

The callee seems to lack the latter as he hasn't responded at all - I think he's hiding under the desk, eyes closed with his fingers in his ears going "la-la-la-la..."

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quote:
Originally posted by comet:

hey there, big boy... is that a wicket in your pocket or are you just ...


Might I respectfully suggest:

hey there, big boy....is that two Kookaburras and a stump in your pocket or are you just.....?

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Kookaburras??

You're just bragging because Australian kingfishers are bigger than British ones.

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quote:
Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
I think he's hiding under the desk, eyes closed with his fingers in his ears going "la-la-la-la..."

"Advance, Australia, fair..." more like.

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quote:
Originally posted by Imaginary Friend:
quote:
Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
I think he's hiding under the desk, eyes closed with his fingers in his ears going "la-la-la-la..."

"Advance, Australia, fair..." more like.
To be fair, that is the only line to the national anthem any Australian knows.

Cheesy has said in the past that he does not respond to Hell calls. I would not expect that to change.

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