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Here is a post I made in the Hell TICTH thread which generated a tangent or two...
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Originally posted by deano:
The parents that produced this delicate English flower...
Complete with classy morals...
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As A-level exam results this month, she tweeted: 'Good luck to everyone getting your A-level results today. Girls don't worry if ur results are poor - you can always have a career getting your t***s out or escorting. (Obviously if your over 18)
The common british chav, alive and well.
Forgive the hellish tone in there and there are a few comments in the TICTH thread that frankly I couldn't be bothered to copy over so go and look yourselves, but... Discuss...
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C**v is a classist slur.
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She was fairly severely bullied at school. I note she was pregnant by 17 having joined the Navy at 16, and she reports working in the sex trade.
I suspect there is a bit of missing information in her biography. She is also, clearly and by her own admission, not very bright.
I think the story is tragic, and I fear she will end up either in psychiatric care or dead by thirty. For her sake, and that of her three children, I hope she gets the help she needs.
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Miss Cunningham makes an easy target, she has made poor choices. But those choices are to fit into a mold designed by the people criticising her. The Mail makes money on boobs. Look at the side bar on any given day and at least half of the "articles" will be about womens' appearance and many will prominently feature breasts.
"That dirty, chav bitch! Displaying her NHS enhanced body all over the Mail, and the Sun and the Telegraph and all these other sites I've Googled. Cannot describe the feelings that arouse, erm, rise, I mean arise. Speaking of which where did I leave the baby oil and tissues..."
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She says Josie would come home from school almost every day having been verbally and physically abused.
“It was relentless. They saw she was quiet and shy and sensed her weakness. They needed something to use against her so they chose the fact she had a completely flat chest.
“They would taunt her and call her Josie-boy or Josie no-t*ts. It devastated her.
"One day she was even brought home by police who had rescued her from a group of girls attacking her with bricks. I don’t think she ever got over the trauma.”
Source
Possibly a more pushy family would have considered moving her to a different school, pressing charges, and not waiting five years to ask the GP why she wasn't growing any breasts.
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'Choice'? What's that?
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And no deano, you're not forgiven. Why are you persecuting this poor woman?
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Originally posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard:
And no deano, you're not forgiven. Why are you persecuting this poor woman?
Because I'm a Nazi. Didn't you know?
Of course nothing is her fault. she has made no choices to take her down the route she has taken.
Just like all women who are not clever or have small breasts. They all end up like her don't they?
Keep looking in the article by the way, anyone seen her rat-boy 'agent'? Nice hat. I bet he's her agent when he isn't out twoc'ing.
Give them both twenty years and they will have matching tin-legs-of-money, mobility scooters and a caravan in Skeggy (and fifteen grandchildren all called Chardonnay or Kyle).
I make no apologies for using the word chav. It is in common usage and describes a certain type of person perfectly.
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And get beaten with bricks ?
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deano: Of course nothing is her fault. she has made no choices to take her down the route she has taken.
So, what exactly is she guilty of? As far as I can tell, she hasn't done anything illegal. Maybe she hasn't lived up to your standards and as a punishment you get to call her derogatory names, is that it?
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Originally posted by deano:
I make no apologies for using the word chav. It is in common usage and describes a certain type of person perfectly.
And, it says something about people who unapologetically use derogatory words to describe other people. It has been noted that you have a tendency to push the boundaries of offence, not quite breaking our commandments but managing to bring more heat than light to serious discussion.
For a while you have had the attention of the Admins. We value alternative opinions, but if those opinions are regularly expressed in ways that cause unnecessary offence the cost to this community may be too high.
Take this as friendly advise to back away from the use of offensive terms and language to express your views. Or, next time we won't be as friendly.
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Originally posted by deano:
Of course nothing is her fault. she has made no choices to take her down the route she has taken.
I do not think anyone is saying she bears no responsibility for her decisions. This is not a zero sum calculation.
I am saying the road she has taken was surveyed, design and paved by the people making the biggest outcry.
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Responsibility?
And deano, bless you lad. You haven't suffered enough yet.
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
C**v is a classist slur.
I agree with you 100% on that.
It does rather remind me of the sad case of Jade Goody who was pilloried in similar terms.
Let's all have a pop at a far better target ... Gideon (aka George) Osborn and his benefit changes anyone? Seems the Tory chaps are still happy to overlook the £7 billion lost in tax avoidance every year ....
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"The 'Gideot' loses £7 billion of hard-working families' money".
Nah. Can't see the Heil running that somehow...
[ETA - still doesn't put Ms Cunningham's boob job in the category of 'sensible things on which to spend other people's money' but at least puts it in its proper perspective.]
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Originally posted by Matt Black:
"The 'Gideot' loses £7 billion of hard-working families' money".
Nah. Can't see the Heil running that somehow...
It'll come as no surprise that I don't consider corporations to be hard-working families. Every successful corporation pays far less tax than any hard-working family, thanks to the tax breaks available to them that are not available to real people.
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But the extra tax burden created by Boy George's default does fall on us 'ornery folk'.
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Originally posted by Matt Black:
But the extra tax burden created by Boy George's default does fall on us 'ornery folk'.
It certainly won't affect the Osborne Wallpaper Company, or whatever his family's firm is called.
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What serious discussion is to be found here?
Dissecting the character of another "RL" person (not a Shipmate) isn't encouraged here because of Commandment 7.
Analysing the meaning of the word "chav" and its use in contemporary culture may be a Purg topic, I suppose.
Analysing the character of deano on the basis of his posts here has happened before, and you can sure do that again in Hell if you like. But not here. Alan C's Admin warning should give you sufficient steer to avoid winding him up here either.
So you've got a little time, not much, to demonstrate to this Host that there is something serious to discuss. Otherwise this thread gets closed, without further notice.
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I guess we could talk about the advisability or otherwise of cosmetic surgery on the NHS(?)
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Originally posted by Twilight:
The NHS does breast implants?
They do reconstruction if you have a cleft palate, including cosmetic work to try to minimise physical deformity. If you are born with any part of your body missing, e.g. no hand, no foot, no penis, no breasts - they will likewise attempt a reasonable reconstruction of what should be there. (They will also treat micropenis, and do breast reductions if you breast size is so out of whack with your frame that it gives you back problems. Yes, that can happen.) They will also do work on breasts post breast cancer , or if they are majorly asymetric (e.g. 1 a cup 1 DD cup).
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Originally posted by Twilight:
The NHS does breast implants?
Yes, for medical reasons (post-mastectomy reconstruction etc) It's difficult to disentangle truth from fiction with Josie Cunningham, but apparently she had a medical condition and had no breast tissue at all.
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My country doesn't have a public health care system anymore, but if it had, I would have no problem if it performed cosmetic surgery for medical reasons.
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Originally posted by Matt Black:
I guess we could talk about the advisability or otherwise of cosmetic surgery on the NHS(?)
I've been the grateful recipient of cosmetic surgery on the NHS. I went over the handlebars of my bike and had cosmetic surgery three years later to remove the residual facial scarring; there was no medical reason whatsoever for the surgery, it was purely cosmetic. It made a big difference to my life, though.
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Cosmetic surgery to correct deformities or reconstruct after cancer, etc, of course. That's what most American medical insurance will cover, but the idea that small or even perfectly flat breasts is a "deformity," offends me on behalf of all the women I've known who were shaped like that.
It's only since implants became so readily available that we've all been given the idea that tall thin ectomorphs ever had breasts. Look at the photos of super models, pre 1970 and they were all fairly flat. It went with the body type.
My best friend was like that and she was a model, considered very beautiful. Breasts aren't arms or legs, they're secondary sexual characteristics and some have more than others just like facial hair on men. I understand that it was more extreme in this girls situation but if the NHS is proclaiming all flat chested women, "deformed," then it's just one more step in convincing us all that we must exaggerate our bodies beyond nature just to make ourselves acceptable to men.
It angers up my feminist blood.
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Originally posted by Twilight:
Cosmetic surgery to correct deformities or reconstruct after cancer, etc, of course. That's what most American medical insurance will cover, but the idea that small or even perfectly flat breasts is a "deformity," offends me on behalf of all the women I've known who were shaped like that.
It's only since implants became so readily available that we've all been given the idea that tall thin ectomorphs ever had breasts. Look at the photos of super models, pre 1970 and they were all fairly flat. It went with the body type.
My best friend was like that and she was a model, considered very beautiful. Breasts aren't arms or legs, they're secondary sexual characteristics and some have more than others just like facial hair on men. I understand that it was more extreme in this girls situation but if the NHS is proclaiming all flat chested women, "deformed," then it's just one more step in convincing us all that we must exaggerate our bodies beyond nature just to make ourselves acceptable to men.
It angers up my feminist blood.
That's a heck of a leap.
NHS breast surgery is given to people with medical conditions. (Randomly, I know two people who’ve been treated on the NHS for similar reasons to the woman in the article). You can be offered surgery if your breasts hadn’t developed properly due to hormone imbalances or bone deformity. Or reductions if you have back problems due to breast size. As well as reconstructive surgery after cancer treatment. It’s hard to get as it can be seen as a purely cosmetic procedure. A lot people end up going private as they can't be bothered with attempting to navigate NHS due process.
You don't get NHS breast surgery because you just don’t like what nature gave you and would like a redo. But, if a private operation goes wrong, the NHS often ends up putting things right.
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Originally posted by Tubbs:
You don't get NHS breast surgery because you just don’t like what nature gave you and would like a redo.
If this is the case surely the surgery should be limited to giving the patient an average breast size - at least for their overall height and size?
The person in question appears to have had quite a significant augmentation.
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I love the statement that she had 'no breat tissue' - this is highly unlikely, what she may have been lacking was very much fat and connective tissue - that's the stuff that gives a breast size and shape.
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Originally posted by L'organist:
I love the statement that she had 'no breat tissue' - this is highly unlikely, what she may have been lacking was very much fat and connective tissue - that's the stuff that gives a breast size and shape.
And you are, of course, a consultant surgeon who makes difficult clinical decisions based on psychiatric reports, interviews with the patient and your own professional judgement.
I know it's difficult to believe that the woman in question went through all the usual hoops required for elective cosmetic surgery using NHS funds, but since that's what happened, I'm going to trust her doctors to have made a reasonable decision based on clinical need. And not scuttlebutt from the Daily Heil.
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That still doesn't explain why the apparent need for Jordan-sized mammaries though
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Maybe it doesn't make much difference? If the NHS is already going to pay for the surgery because there exist medical reasons for it, the amount of silicium they'll put in doesn't have much influence on the cost, so they leave the patient some choice?
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Well, working if your bastard neo-liberal chums had left any decent jobs for them to do. (And, before you add anything, if the pseudo-neolibs of New Labour hadn't merrily encouraged global capitalism to ship in plenty of cheap immigrant labour who don't do inconvenient things like join unions and settle down and build community roots and resilience that might make them a bit less dependent on the whims of their employers.)
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
Maybe it doesn't make much difference? If the NHS is already going to pay for the surgery because there exist medical reasons for it, the amount of silicium they'll put in doesn't have much influence on the cost, so they leave the patient some choice?
The cost is irrelevant. It is saying that the NHS thinks a reasonable remedy to a flat chest is DD implants. This is not only medically unnecessary but a large chest actually typically causes medical problems such as back pain.
I would be similarly concerned if someone who had an accident that affected their face got the NHS to pay for lip plumping injections or some other cosmetic enhancement that goes beyond the basic need of repair.
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And you are, of course, a consultant surgeon who makes difficult clinical decisions based on psychiatric reports, interviews with the patient and your own professional judgement.
I was not questioning the rights or wrongs of whatever surgery the young lady had: I was questioning the assertion upthread that she 'had no breast tissue at all' since the only condition this would describe (Poland Syndrome) is very rare, usually in boys, and usually presents with other problems which the young lady doesn't seem to have.
I was certainly not questioning the judgement of the clinical team that decided to give this young woman surgery.
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seekingsister: The cost is irrelevant. It is saying that the NHS thinks a reasonable remedy to a flat chest is DD implants. This is not only medically unnecessary but a large chest actually typically causes medical problems such as back pain.
Maybe they decided that a reasonable remedy is implants, and gave the patient some choice in the size of the implants since this doesn't affect cost. I trust that the doctors have checked that the size they gave her won't cause medical problems.
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seekingsister: I would be similarly concerned if someone who had an accident that affected their face got the NHS to pay for lip plumping injections or some other cosmetic enhancement that goes beyond the basic need of repair.
If someone had an accident that affected their lips, and the NHS decided a restorative reparation was needed, and the amount of lip plumping didn't affect the cost of this surgery, I'd have nothing against it.
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I thought that in the past, the NHS would do cosmetic breast augmentation for certain psychological reasons, e.g. if a woman was genuinely disturbed by her breast size, and there was a risk to mental health. But you had to get a psychiatrist to agree that your mental health was at risk.
As far as I can tell, this has practically disappeared now, and most people go private. This is separate from treatment for mastectomies, and so on, and breast reduction may be available if it is causing physical problems, esp. back problems.
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
If someone had an accident that affected their lips, and the NHS decided a restorative reparation was needed, and the amount of lip plumping didn't affect the cost of this surgery, I'd have nothing against it.
I should have been more specific - if it is beyond restoration (as in, what the person had previously) and/or beyond what is average or typical, I would find this an inappropriate use of NHS resources.
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seekingsister: I should have been more specific - if it is beyond restoration (as in, what the person had previously) and/or beyond what is average or typical, I would find this an inappropriate use of NHS resources.
But in this example, we'd already assumed that it wouldn't cost extra NHS resources.
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Are you saying my breasts* are somehow not typical ?
(*Sans implants.)
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I'm sure they're typical for you ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
(Disclaimer: I have no knowledge of DT's breasts, either mundane or divinely inspired. Although I'm sure they are the latter, of course)
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seekingsister: I should have been more specific - if it is beyond restoration (as in, what the person had previously) and/or beyond what is average or typical, I would find this an inappropriate use of NHS resources.
But in this example, we'd already assumed that it wouldn't cost extra NHS resources.
The cost is not the problem. It's the tacit endorsement by the NHS of what Twilight was saying earlier - that the solution to a flat chest is a DD chest.
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Doublethink: Are you saying my breasts* are somehow not typical ?
(*Sans implants.)
(I assume this was directed at seekingsister, not at me?)
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Are you saying my breasts* are somehow not typical ?
(*Sans implants.)
Certainly not as I'm in the same neighborhood! But for my height and size I certainly don't have the proportions that Miss Cunningham does. Few women do naturally. So not sure why the NHS is indulging in fulfilling body fantasies.
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seekingsister: It's the tacit endorsement by the NHS of what Twilight was saying earlier - that the solution to a flat chest is a DD chest.
It seems to me that the tacit endorsement by the NHS is that the solution to a flat chest is a chest, the size of which they give the patient some freedom in choosing. On what basis do you want to withhold this choice from them?
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seekingsister: I should have been more specific - if it is beyond restoration (as in, what the person had previously) and/or beyond what is average or typical, I would find this an inappropriate use of NHS resources.
But in this example, we'd already assumed that it wouldn't cost extra NHS resources.
The cost is not the problem. It's the tacit endorsement by the NHS of what Twilight was saying earlier - that the solution to a flat chest is a DD chest.
IF you manage to convince the NHS that you meet the clinical criteria for breast surgery on the NHS, then you do get some say about what the final output looks like.
Both my friends had it because their breasts hadn't developed "normally" - one because of hormone inbalances and one because a bone deformity meant that one breast didn't develop. This lead to other problems because, as the article pointed out, people can be pretty vile when you don't look like society tells you you should.
The figure that the DM is getting outraged out - OMG she had a £4,000 op on the NHS - is pretty much what it would have cost to go private.
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I doubt very much if the NHS today will give you breast augmentation because of a flat chest; it might be possible, if you could demonstrate severe risk to your mental health, but you will need psychiatric back-up for that. Just saying that you are fed up with it, won't wash.
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It seems to me that the tacit endorsement by the NHS is that the solution to a flat chest is a chest, the size of which they give the patient some freedom in choosing. On what basis do you want to withhold this choice from them?
The point of the NHS is choice? The same NHS that (allegedly) threatened an order of protection against parents who wanted it to pay for treatment abroad?
Look at the damage stories like this do to trust in the NHS. If you Google this lady's name you see articles saying "Why did she get a boob job when my son is going to die of cancer?" It would be easier for people to believe that it was done for legitimate reasons, if it wasn't so clearly the type of work one gets done to become a glamour model rather than what post-mastectomy women tend to get.
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