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IngoB
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The suggestion is simple, add a new board, a "play zone".
The point of the "play zone" is quite simply to give Shipmates an opportunity to try out some idea for a board that should be hosted on SoF (rather than a private board). Whether it is about a new kind of topic to be discussed, or a different mode of discussion, or a different mode of hosting, or whatever else people can come up with.
The "play zone" would be hosted by the person making the suggestion, plus potentially (but not necessarily) helpers they recruit to make it work.
Suggestions for what should be tried out will be posted on a dedicated Styx thread, and the H&As will decide what gets a run (they can also of course decide other means, perhaps running a poll on suggestions or whatever... point is that the final decision rests with them, even if they choose to delegate it).
It is understood from the outset that the "play zone" will host any particular idea only for a certain time, perhaps three months or so. After this it will get cleared for trying out something else. Presumably the results could get stored somewhere. And of course, if the trial was super successful, then maybe a new permanent board could be established. But the "play zone" itself would become available for a new trial.
I suggest that in addition to the "play zone" board proper, there should be an additional "meta play zone" board. This basically acts as a mini-Styx, only concerned with the trial, and is also hosted by the persons managing the trial (the person who suggested the trial plus helpers). This should largely isolate queries about the trial and discussions thereof from Styx proper. Of course, complaints about the trial hosts and the like can still be made to Styx.
That's basically it. The simple idea is to give people a playing field to try things out, with the clear expectation that most of it will never get anywhere in the end, but with the hope that some of it will pass the trial and error stage and contribute to an even better SoF.
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orfeo
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Do you actually need an entire board for each new idea? Or just a thread or two?
I raise this because what you're suggesting seems to mean that only one idea can be worked on at any given time, and it also means that the Hosting privileges of the board have to be played around with. Whether these are pluses or minuses, I'm not sure.
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IngoB
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I see three reasons for giving it an entire board (or indeed two, if you count the meta board):
First, it allows you to do much more. For example, anything to do with hosting then can be trialled out as well. Or perhaps games that have to do with where your thread is in the posting order. Or whatever.
Second, it isolates the trial run from the rest of the Ship, and it puts the responsibility on the shoulders of the person suggesting the trial run. You probably don't want to shuffle extra work on the regular host's shoulders. And you probably don't want the trial leader to become a host of a regular board.
Give them rights only over the trial board, then they are responsible for what happens there, and cannot mess up things elsewhere. As a side effect you might get more people knowing what it means to be a host.
Third, I think in terms of advertisement and visibility. A separate board is much more visible than one thread among many on a regular board. If a trial is going to be relevant, you would want a lot of participation. To a a large extent that depends on the pull of the idea itself, of course. But a bit of structural exposure would certainly help.
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lilBuddha
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ISTM, the hosting itself is problematic.
Hosting isn't merely handing a person a gavel or rusty farm implement. If I understand the procedure correctly, there is evaluation and testing. You are asking for more work from unpaid, overworked volunteers.
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Firenze
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I would favour taking an actual idea and considering how it might be trialled rather than spending time elaborating a structure to contain all hypothetical states of a as-yet-undefined process.
ISTM though that something which is distinctly different from the other threads on the same board - to wit, the Mafia and RPG games - manage fine with a Narrative Thread and a Meta Thread.
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Doublethink.
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Many thoughts occur. But one is - *if* you had a playzone - the meta could just be a single stickied thread on the same board.
(Crosspost.)
[ 08. July 2014, 17:46: Message edited by: Doublethink ]
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Yorick
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It's a fine idea. I have a feeling that this website suffers a little from staleness, which I suspect contributes causally to the phenomenon of established and well-invested Shipmates dropping overboard. Anything that encourages fresh new ideas has got to be a good thing, right?
[fresh new ideas, not fish new ideas. Damned iPad]
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quote:
Originally posted by Doublethink:
Many thoughts occur. But one is - *if* you had a playzone - the meta could just be a single stickied thread on the same board.
That would then presumably not encompass the hosting suggestion? Or can you set up permissions to allow someone to mod a single thread within a board?
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Doublethink.
Ship's Foolwise Unperson
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I was thinking single permenant experimental board, with on it when in use - mini host, Closed Stickie OP explaining the experiment board and open stickied meta-thread. Then as many other threads on the board as it generates.
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Doublethink.
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(I may only be posting on this thread because I like the idea of board where you can post about anything but only in iambic pentameter - I believe it would make people think before they post, and would be more stimulating to read.)
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Firenze
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Rhymed couplets. Proper rhymed couplets, with equal syllables and actual scansion.
There's nothing like following a verse form for clarifying the mind.
In fact, that is my suggestion for the new Board content: everything to be written as poetry - both as regards metre and language. One could, of course, discuss the merits of Free Verse - in verse.
Seriously.
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Doublethink.
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I be prepared to co-host with you on that.
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RuthW
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quote:
Originally posted by Doublethink:
I was thinking single permenant experimental board, with on it when in use - mini host, Closed Stickie OP explaining the experiment board and open stickied meta-thread. Then as many other threads on the board as it generates.
This makes sense to me. Having to go to another board for the meta discussion would be a hassle.
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JoannaP
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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
ISTM, the hosting itself is problematic.
Hosting isn't merely handing a person a gavel or rusty farm implement. If I understand the procedure correctly, there is evaluation and testing. You are asking for more work from unpaid, overworked volunteers.
IngoB is suggesting that each idea has its own separate hosts, so it should not create existing work for the current set (unless they suggest an idea, in which case they have volunteered for the extra work). I am not sure what would happen if an interesting, viable idea were to be suggested by somebody that the H&A's did not trust with hostly powers, however limited.
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RuthW
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quote:
Originally posted by JoannaP:
I am not sure what would happen if an interesting, viable idea were to be suggested by somebody that the H&A's did not trust with hostly powers, however limited.
The H&As could say from the outset that they might in some cases say yes to an idea but ask the person who pitched the idea to suggest other people to be hosts. All boards need at least two hosts anyway, so H&As could make it a requirement that anyone who wants to pitch an idea must first recruit one or two other shipmates to work with them.
[Edited to add verbs. Verbs are good.]
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Tubbs
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Originally posted by passer:
quote:
Originally posted by Doublethink:
Many thoughts occur. But one is - *if* you had a playzone - the meta could just be a single stickied thread on the same board.
That would then presumably not encompass the hosting suggestion? Or can you set up permissions to allow someone to mod a single thread within a board?
You'd only be able to run one idea on a board at the same time as the software only let's you have four Hosts per board. You can't have a Host per thread.
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Tubbs
Miss Congeniality
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quote:
Originally posted by RuthW:
quote:
Originally posted by JoannaP:
I am not sure what would happen if an interesting, viable idea were to be suggested by somebody that the H&A's did not trust with hostly powers, however limited.
The H&As could say from the outset that they might in some cases say yes to an idea but ask the person who pitched the idea to suggest other people to be hosts. All boards need at least two hosts anyway, so H&As could make it a requirement that anyone who wants to pitch an idea must first recruit one or two other shipmates to work with them.
[Edited to add verbs. Verbs are good.]
Having a team of people to work on an idea and do the day to day stuff once the board is up and running would have to be a given. You can't Host a board by yourself. A minimum of three people would be good.
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Alan Cresswell
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It seems fairly obvious that if someone has an idea they want to try out it will only work if there are enough other people willing to give it a try. If the person proposing the idea can't find 1 or 2 others to help with the hosting then that would suggest the number of people who think it's something worth trying is probably too small.
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IngoB
Sentire cum Ecclesia
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quote:
Originally posted by Doublethink:
I was thinking single permenant experimental board, with on it when in use - mini host, Closed Stickie OP explaining the experiment board and open stickied meta-thread. Then as many other threads on the board as it generates.
That's probably a better idea than an additional meta-board. It keeps things tight.
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orfeo
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quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:
Third, I think in terms of advertisement and visibility. A separate board is much more visible than one thread among many on a regular board. If a trial is going to be relevant, you would want a lot of participation. To a a large extent that depends on the pull of the idea itself, of course. But a bit of structural exposure would certainly help.
Just so we're clear, what I had meant was threads within this 'experimental' board, rather than threads on any of the existing boards.
Which is not dissimilar, I think, from what Doublethink has since said.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by JoannaP:
I am not sure what would happen if an interesting, viable idea were to be suggested by somebody that the H&A's did not trust with hostly powers, however limited.
That is the thrust of my post. It would require vetting. Not only would they have to consider who they think might make a viable host, but ascertain if this is true in reality.
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IngoB
Sentire cum Ecclesia
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I don't think that host selection needs to be overthought. If a trial fails due to bad hosting, then it simply fails due to bad hosting. That may be sad, but in the end its just one of many things that can go wrong when an idea is put to the test.
The important point is that hosting can be limited to the "play zone" board (which should be the case). That means any problem remains contained there. It's not like "play zone" host has access to the rest of SoF.
Perhaps there should be a due warning at the top of such a board that it is run by "amateur hosts". And if someone really messes up in that role, the nothing stops the regular H&As from ending the trial early. But that shouldn't stop other experiments by other people from being tried next.
This is really intended as what they call a "sandbox" in computing.
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I like the idea of trying things out experimentally, as previously demonstrated.
We could set the test board up to have time-limited experiments. A queue of ideas could run, with some agreed-upon duration. First runs of an ideas could have the proposer (and up to 2 of their nominees) pantomiming in a Hostly role, with a regular Crew backing them up as required. This would let us skip over the need to fiddle with the control panel too often. If the first run of an idea was suitably interesting, it could graduate to it's own longer-term provisional board with more-carefully vetted and trained Host(s).
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The idea I asked about a few years ago was a Mummers' Play telling the Easter Story, approximately in real time. A sort of revival of the Nativity Play. There were reasons for suggesting it when I did; it was shortly after jlg and Erin's deaths. At the time I had the time to run it, which I don't now.
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I have sometimes felt that the Ship could do with its own music discussion board, where people could discuss anything and everything musical from horrible hymns to the joys of opera and pop music, to the finer details of tonic scales and perfect pitch.
Or there could be a sports board and discuss F1, Wimbledon, the World Cup etc etc in a non-Circus, no-holds-barred sort of way.
I'm not offering to host either of those, it just seems to me that there could be enough interest to sustain separate boards for one or the other.
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Doublethink.
Ship's Foolwise Unperson
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Pagan board ? Alternative lifestyles board ? Crusader board for petitions ? Dating board, building on the intermittent ships dating threads - threads on dating tips, satorial style advice for said date etc - in addition to main thread with lonely heart posts ?
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I think the concept is a good one - it gives a place that new ideas can be explored and proven (or not), without huge amounts of extra work for the existing admins.
It also gives people with ideas a way of exploring them over a reasonable time, without the long-term commitment of a full private board.
Some - most maybe - will die or prove insufficiently popular. But they have been tried, and a few will develop into full-grown boards of their own (private or public), having identified many of the issues or processes needed.
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Firenze
Ordinary decent pagan
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Originally posted by Doublethink:
Crusader board for petitions ?
Be too much like my FB page....
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IngoB
Sentire cum Ecclesia
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I've mentioned this before: I would like to try out a "prayer / spirituality" board, distinct from Ecclesiantics as being concerned with non-liturgical, personal religious activity, and distinct from Kerygmania as not focusing on scriptural discussions.
One thing that is a real concern is that the "play hosts" need to understand the basic problem of copyright and other legal issues (e.g., certain topics like "sex with children" are problematic). Perhaps "play hosts" should be given a formal brief, a little text noting major issue that they need to say they have read and understood. That should help shift legal blame in the worst case scenario. In general I think it would be good if a regular host had an eye on things. Not in the sense of "reading every post", but the play zone should not be entirely left to its own devices. And finally I think there should be statement in the board description telling participants that if they see something untoward, and it is not taken care of by the "play hosts", then they should report to Styx. We have quite a lot of experienced Shipmates, and they should be able to spot things that would not fly on the rest of SoF.
There is a bit of risk there, but I think a mitigating factor is that the experimental board (or rather, its current experimental content) can be trashed at any point in time without a warning. That's unlike the other boards, where one would try to minimise any change and impact.
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Yorick
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quote:
Originally posted by Firenze:
Rhymed couplets. Proper rhymed couplets, with equal syllables and actual scansion.
There's nothing like following a verse form for clarifying the mind.
In fact, that is my suggestion for the new Board content: everything to be written as poetry - both as regards metre and language. One could, of course, discuss the merits of Free Verse - in verse.
Seriously.
I love the thought of doing things like this,
But fear this Shippy crowd will up it piss.
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Yorick
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And since y'all asked, I bagsy the first nomination for a tentative board title.
In keeping with the Ship's general theme of Heaven, Purgatory and Hell, how about: This Mortal Coil. Subtitle: Where great ideas come to life (or shuffle off).
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orfeo
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It's very sweet of you, Yorick, to think that none of the Hosts or Admins have come up with any naming ideas while we lounge around drinking gin...
(I'm sure your suggestion can be added to the mix. But it ain't the first!)
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Hahaha. You're just miffed because mine is awesome.
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Marvin the Martian
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I'm trying to come up with something based around 1 Thessalonians 5:21, but it's not really snappy enough for a board name.
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IngoB
Sentire cum Ecclesia
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How about Grossetesting (Gross-e-testing?), after the English pioneer of the empirical / scientific method and bishop of Lincoln, Robert Grosseteste.
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You and your gross testes.
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Tubbs
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Okay, how about this as a process:
You'd have the idea; polish it; find some other Shipmates to collaborate with you to make it even better and help with the day to day stuff and then pitch it in the Styx.
If there's sufficent interest and the Admins think it's a go-er, then you'd to use the as yet un-named board for a time. You would also get a version of the Hosts Manual, a Host's board to discuss things behind the scenes and some Adminly support.
At the end of the time, we could review ... If the board has been a roaring success, then it could - that's could btw - become a special interest board. If it doesn't, then at least you've had the opportunity to give it a go.
What's not to love?!
Tubbs
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IngoB
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Sounds good to me. The only thing I would add is that the "find collaborators, polish the idea, raise interest" in preparation of a bid would be a lot easier if it could happen in a dedicated thread somewhere (in Styx? Circus?). Trying to do all that by PM would be difficult. I guess that same thread could be used to post a formal bid when things have progressed sufficiently.
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Alan Cresswell
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Ideas for the next (or next but one) idea to try out can probably be thrashed out in the Styx. I would think it would be possible for the proposer and co-hosts to access the "play zone" hosts board when it gets close to putting it in action where fine points of the idea and practicalities of hosting can be thrashed out.
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Firenze
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OR - post a Styx thread about your Idea, which then becomes the venue for notes of interest, suggested modifications, volunteering for hosting etc etc. At the end of whatever period the Admins decide, there is a summary post on each thread stating the finalised idea, plus hosts.
It would avoid the morass of cross posting on a single development thread, and make evident the level of interest in each idea, which would be a useful indicator of which to trial first.
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If this thread is any indication of what the actual board ( s) will look like, the colaberative energy should be exciting in and of itself.
We seem to be going through a creative spurt, collectively!
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RuthW
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Indeed. And since IngoB has taken a lot of flak over the years for making suggestions about how the Ship should be run, flak from me among many others, I want to say I think this idea is absolutely fantastic, and I look forward to seeing how it works out. Thanks for this, IngoB.
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Doublethink.
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Seconded.
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What were you hoping to include in the prayer board IngoB? There are threads on vocations, the prayer thread and fairly regularly threads on being third order Dominicans or Benedictines, as there are a number on the Ship. Those threads tend to end up in All Saints, and then the Daily Offices thread is in Eccles. Would you see your prayer board being a collection of all of these and additional threads?
I wondered if a thread looking at the way the lectionary follows through the life of Jesus might be an interesting addition?
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Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
What were you hoping to include in the prayer board IngoB? There are threads on vocations, the prayer thread and fairly regularly threads on being third order Dominicans or Benedictines, as there are a number on the Ship. Those threads tend to end up in All Saints, and then the Daily Offices thread is in Eccles. Would you see your prayer board being a collection of all of these and additional threads?
My intention is simply to talk about personal (as opposed to liturgical) prayer/spirituality, whatever form that may take. I think vocations is something else, and properly at home in All Saints. Third Order concerns as a general topic I would see in All Saints as well, as a kind of vocation. A question like "How do you live your Benedictine (third order) spirituality daily?" might however be at home in the trial board. Daily Office is kind of borderline, really. Of course, in principle that is clearly the liturgical prayer of the Church. However, most of us are lay people and I would guess that most people saying the Divine Office see that as an essential part of their personal prayer life. So I don't really know... However, this is I think a question that could be asked if the prayer / spirituality board actually becomes a permanent fixture. During the trial phase, I certainly would not intend to pull the Divine Office thread over from Ecclesiantics.
The prayer thread in All Saints I think should stay in All Saints. It really is mostly about practically intercessory prayers for other Shipmates, and that is an All Saints thing. While I would very much like threads including actual prayer, the idea is that the board is more about prayer / spirituality than a venue for specific prayers. So I could well imagine a "Your favourite praise prayers" thread, for example, which is filled with actual prayers people pray in the praise of God. Whereas I wasn't really intending a thread of the kind "Prayers for a change of government in the UK", or the like.
To give another example, I would see it more as a "how and why do you say a rosary" than a "let's start a rosary crusade about X" kind of board. Of course, there could be overlap (somebody posting "I pray the rosary because I have joined this rosary crusade"), but it's about the angle of approach. I would like people to talk about how they pray, why the pray, how they struggle with prayer, what prayers they like, (*) etc., but I don't particularly intend to organise their prayers towards some goal. I hope you get my drift.
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Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
I wondered if a thread looking at the way the lectionary follows through the life of Jesus might be an interesting addition?
Lectionary as such sounds fairly Ecclesiantics to me, to be honest. If you however wanted to start a thread how reading the lectionary with this emphasis in mind inspires you, then that would be something for this trial board. It's really intended as a kind of "what else do you do to catch the Holy Spirit, other than the 'standardised' Church bits" catch-all.
(*) Or indeed other forms of spirituality, like wearing a cross, using holy water, putting religious art in one's house etc. There is lots of spirituality to be discussed besides prayer.
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Indeed. And since IngoB has taken a lot of flak over the years for making suggestions about how the Ship should be run, flak from me among many others, I want to say I think this idea is absolutely fantastic, and I look forward to seeing how it works out. Thanks for this, IngoB.
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re: a prayer board. Actual prayer needs are well served in AS. Discussion of corporate prayer fits well in Ecclesiantics.
But, I agree with Ingo that there is no obvious space for discussion of personal prayer - whether that's praying the rosary, Daily Office, or good old evangelical quiet times. So, I think that there might be legs in a board where personal prayer and devotion could be discussed.
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I don't see why discussion of personal devotions can't be taken in Ecclesiantics - it is after all a worship practice. Arguably, significant parts of the Daily Office discussions relate to personal devotions.
ETA: The Prayers that really move you thread could be seen as a current example.
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ChastMastr
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
But, I agree with Ingo that there is no obvious space for discussion of personal prayer - whether that's praying the rosary, Daily Office, or good old evangelical quiet times. So, I think that there might be legs in a board where personal prayer and devotion could be discussed.
Yay! This does sound cool. ![[Smile]](smile.gif) Thanks, IngoB!
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