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Thread: Intersection between autism, feminism and abuse - and scapegoating
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Alex Cockell
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Hi folks,
Just a short thought.
Re all the abuse and rape culture threads on the back of the Elliott Rodger thing.. I was wondering why I came under attack from some of the younger feminists..
To the extent of being called a "troll" - nto even making "human", although I believe I was being respectful.
Is there a subtext of ableism running through some feminist schools of thought? So that as a white, heterosexual, Christian, autism-spectrum male, I am, in some eyes, subhuman?
It's a horrible feeling, being deemed a scapegoat by some prominent groups...
Thoughts? Prayer support would be good...
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Pomona
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Originally posted by Alex Cockell:
Hi folks,
Just a short thought.
Re all the abuse and rape culture threads on the back of the Elliott Rodger thing.. I was wondering why I came under attack from some of the younger feminists..
To the extent of being called a "troll" - nto even making "human", although I believe I was being respectful.
Is there a subtext of ableism running through some feminist schools of thought? So that as a white, heterosexual, Christian, autism-spectrum male, I am, in some eyes, subhuman?
It's a horrible feeling, being deemed a scapegoat by some prominent groups...
Thoughts? Prayer support would be good...
Feminists don't call out rape culture because they're ableist. Neither do feminists think that men on the autistic spectrum are subhuman. Troll is not an ableist term but one commonly used all over the internet.
Feminism has issues with ableism in the form of not properly including disabled women within feminism, but calling a man a troll doesn't come into that category. Many, many feminists are disabled.
Seriously, is this a wind-up? ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif)
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Garasu
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Link, anyone?
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Alex Cockell
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Point was I was called "misogynist" on those Hell threads when I believe I an egalitarian - most Aspies are.
I seemed to be declared "creepy", "misogynistic" etc simply for straying from an apparent party line..
It just feels as though I have a mark of Cain because of my chromosomal makeup and neurology - and it confuses me as to why I would be judged that way.
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RuthW
liberal "peace first" hankie squeezer
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Originally posted by Alex Cockell:
Is there a subtext of ableism running through some feminist schools of thought? So that as a white, heterosexual, Christian, autism-spectrum male, I am, in some eyes, subhuman?
No.
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Doublethink.
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Is ruminating about this helpful to you Alex ? Those threads were a while ago, what is the most positive outcome to this thread that you envisage ?
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Pomona
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Originally posted by Alex Cockell:
Point was I was called "misogynist" on those Hell threads when I believe I an egalitarian - most Aspies are.
I seemed to be declared "creepy", "misogynistic" etc simply for straying from an apparent party line..
It just feels as though I have a mark of Cain because of my chromosomal makeup and neurology - and it confuses me as to why I would be judged that way.
It has nothing to do with your autism. People say that you're misogynistic because they think you're misogynistic - I realise you don't think so, but other people can hold those views without it being because you're autistic and they're being ableist.
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Garasu
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So nobody wishes to provide any evidence of anything.
Is a public forum the best place for this?
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Alex Cockell
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IT had been rumbling in the back of my mind for a while - and just needed to get the thoughts down...
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Doublethink.
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Alex, you might find it more helpful to do that in a personal journal. Then you can share that to discuss, if you need to, with someone whom you know and trust - and are able to meet face to face.
[ 14. August 2014, 20:25: Message edited by: Doublethink ]
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mousethief
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Oh God, is this back? Please, hosts, shut it down.
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Welease Woderwick
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I've read through this thread several times and really cannot see it as appropriate for All Saints but then I really can't see immediately where else it can go. I am closing it temporarily whilst we consider this backstage.
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Alan Cresswell
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Alex,
We've been considering this thread backstage. I'll remind you of the earlier advice and warning issued by Spike on the Abuse of Men thread in Hell, not to post on the subjects of rape and abuse. This thread has clearly been a return to those subjects which have not been good for you to discuss, and by extension have created work for the hosts. These subjects bring out the worst in you, and I strongly advice you to refrain from further posts on them.
Needless to say, this thread will remain closed.
Alan
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