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Beeswax Altar
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One, you fucking knew women's ordination was a Dead Horse and you started a thread in Purgatory anyway. The Ship of Fools has simple rules about what threads are started on which boards. You started a thread on the wrong board. Why? You are a fucking moron, that's why.
Two, TEC has ordained women for 40 years. I'm 37. So, since before I've been born, TEC has been ordaining women. We've had one split over the issue of women's ordination. People are still here. Others left after the consecration of Katherine Jefforts Schori. I'm no fan of KJS. I avoid reading anything she says or writes because I know it will be pointless at best and heresy at worse. Whole diocese left after KJS was consecrated. One of the bishops of the diocese at left confessed to voting for her so that he could cause further schism in TEC. I don't know how he live with himself. Obviously, I'm not his confessor. Point is TEC has accepted the ordination of female priests. TEC has accepted the consecration of female bishops. TEC has even elected a female PB, borderline heretic that she is.
At this point, if you or any church believes than ordaining female priests is heresy, you are obligated to get the hell out of he church. Join the ordinariate like any traditional Anglo-Catholic with a modicum of integrity would.
Pretending to be outraged that a perfectly orthodox priest is invited to preach at the installation of the rector at St. Clements simply because she is female is a bit much. If the folks at St. Clements want to stay in TEC and fight for an orthodox presence, I hate to inform you that you will need allies like the abominable priestess in question.
If you aren't a member of TEC and just want to toss bombs at a church you've already left, then you are truly pathetic and need to get a life. Personally, I could care less what you thing about TEC. Like I said, you can fuck off. Who needs you. Go join one of the many always splitting Continuing Anglican parishes and be done with it. Of course, if you've done that, then whey are you starting threads on the wrong board about a church you've already left.
Like I said, mea culpa, if I'm too liberal and you want to stay in TEC (hell if you want to stay in the Anglican Communion) you are truly 100% pure Del Monti fucked.
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Whoa. Good rant.
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Thanks, BA.
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Crap spouted by Beeswax Altar:
One, you fucking knew women's ordination was a Dead Horse and you started a thread in Purgatory anyway. The Ship of Fools has simple rules about what threads are started on which boards. You started a thread on the wrong board. Why? You are a fucking moron, that's why.
Yeah, he's a moron, but there's more to it than that. The whole bit about saying he was posting to ask why this is happening --
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... and whether there will soon be any safe cardinal par*** which limits the exercise of Holy Orders to Men, which Lambeth has affirmed is a valid position amongst good Anglicans. It should have added, except in the American, Canadian.....et al. Churches.
Enlightenment anyone? did the Selection Committee of St Clement's know what it was doing?
-- was also a very passive-aggressive move meant to give offense.
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Like * said, mea culpa, if * 'm too liberal ...
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Holy fucking shit, it's an H&A Day miracle: Ruth and BA are AGREEING on something.
If you've got both of them thinking you're a grade-A moron...
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Gee D
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Perhaps having to compete with women clergy reduces even further his chance of being inducted into a decent par***.
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Honestly, the OP - and (with all due respect) its source - have been the most surprising thing about H&A days. Beats the hell out of Mornington Bible Crescent.
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Crap spouted by Gee D:
Perhaps having to compete with women clergy reduces even further his chance of being inducted into a decent par***.
Unlikely, he just has to tag along in the shadow of Mrs. Mother Beeswax Altar.
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Beeswax Altar
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* 'm actually quite ***** with my current par***. Mrs. Mother Beeswax Altar has had some trouble finding a par***. Part of the problem is people have trouble with seeing a young woman as a priest. Granted, she is 35 which isn't really young except by TEC standards. By TEC standards, Mrs. Mother Beeswax Altar will be young for another 20 years. The other part of the problem is that my wife's gifts and talents aren't suited for ministering to small and aging congregations with just enough energy to do things the way they've always done them. Unfortunately, TEC has lots of those types of par***es. She would thrive as a interim.
To get one of the really plum par***es, one has to be a young*** male with a wife two school age children, and a Labrador Retriever. One must also possess either an earned doctorate or nice hair. Absent either of those, you must be over six feet tall and rock a bald head like Patrick Stewart. Obviously, the more of those traits you have the better the par***.
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Crap spouted by Leaf:
Honestly, the OP - and (with all due respect) its source - have been the most surprising thing about H&A days. Beats the hell out of Mornington Bible Crescent.
Beeswax Altar:
Wait, you found that surprising instead of utterly predictable?
I'm at a loss for words.
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Firenze
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Originally posted by saysay:
I'm at a loss for words.
Oh good.
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Originally posted by Firenze:
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Originally posted by saysay:
I'm at a loss for words.
Oh good.
Yeah. 'cuz incoherent screams, crying, and guttural animal sounds are so much more fun for everyone.
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This is Hell we're talking about, so yeah, sign we've been doing our job.
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Firenze
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Originally posted by saysay:
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Originally posted by Firenze:
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Originally posted by saysay:
I'm at a loss for words.
Oh good.
Yeah. 'cuz incoherent screams, crying, and guttural animal sounds are so much more fun for everyone.
In your case, the rational thought content would probably be about the same.
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IRL I spend most of my time wondering what rich white women are going to get upset about next, because when they get upset, I tend to get the shit beaten out of me.
Doesn't leave a lot of room for rational thought.
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There is a whole chain of missing connections there.
Do you get the shit beaten out of you when they run out of humous ?
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saysay
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Google tells me that 'humous' is either an English spelling of hummus (food involving chickpeas and tahini and other ingredients), or a type of nutrient-rich soil, or a shortening of post-humous that means pre-death, or possibly a whole bunch of other stuff.
Answer: yes, that probably means that somebody is going to hit me for being an idiot and getting it wrong. Possibly sometime after some expert informs the police that 'humous' is a code word for drugs or other contraband. But also possibly after some member of my community decides that the only way to correct me so I can represent the community well is by beating me. Or possibly because someone gets pissed off because they feel disrespected because who-knows-why and they lose their temper.
You just never can tell. That's what makes life so exciting.
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Originally posted by saysay:
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You just never can tell. That's what makes life so exciting.
We can tell all right, but you don't seem to listen. If you persistently talk bollocks then others get irritated, and RL becomes exciting in all the wrong ways. Just stop digging, for your own sake.
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Doublethink.
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Originally posted by saysay:
Google tells me that 'humous' is either an English spelling of hummus (food involving chickpeas and tahini and other ingredients), or a type of nutrient-rich soil, or a shortening of post-humous that means pre-death, or possibly a whole bunch of other stuff.
Answer: yes, that probably means that somebody is going to hit me for being an idiot and getting it wrong. Possibly sometime after some expert informs the police that 'humous' is a code word for drugs or other contraband. But also possibly after some member of my community decides that the only way to correct me so I can represent the community well is by beating me. Or possibly because someone gets pissed off because they feel disrespected because who-knows-why and they lose their temper.
You just never can tell. That's what makes life so exciting.
If people keep physically beating you, I would suggest it is worth leaving - there are organisations that can help you do that.
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saysay
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Originally posted by Doublethink:
If people keep physically beating you, I would suggest it is worth leaving - there are organisations that can help you do that.
To go where?
Where is a place where someone won't physically beat me because they don't like the looks of me? Or they don't like the fact that I think something they disagree with? Or the fact that I won't do something that they want me to do?
Where is this mythical place without strangers you have to interact with, not all of whom have their tempers under control for whatever reason?
The last time I went to church the priest's adult daughter got into a shoving match with someone rumored to have cognitive disabilities and the cops were called.
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Beeswax Altar
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Have you ever thought about moving to a small town in the Midwest?
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saysay
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I tried a small town in the middle of nowhere West Virginia but they tracked me down in order to punish me for my thoughts and perceived intents.
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Wait, hold the phone.
I live in a metropolitan area of six million people. Ten, if you include the other one just up the street from me.
Both halves of this metro area are known for violence and crime. The one just up the street was the setting for two well-known dramas about street violence and murder.
You know how many times I have been in physical altercations with anyone in the years I've lived here?
Zero.
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saysay
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Lucky you.
When I was working at GW I had a student throw a plant at my head because I refused to do a special favor for them; what they were asking wasn't even within my power to do.
It was at the end of a long day when it was 80 + degrees outside and the heat inside was still going full blast so it's possible I had an obnoxious tone in my voice or look on my face.
But no one who knows me can figure out any rhyme or reason to the violence or why complete strangers sometimes come up to me and start yelling at me.
Though at times I think it's possible that they are simply mistaking me for someone else.
Try being a woman who turns down sexual advances from strangers multiple times a day and see how long you can go without a physical altercation.
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saysay, are you sure you want to say all this in Hell?
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Originally posted by saysay:
I tried a small town in the middle of nowhere West Virginia but they tracked me down in order to punish me for my thoughts and perceived intents.
You have to WEAR your tin foil hat, otherwise they can still find you.
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Originally posted by Leaf:
saysay, are you sure you want to say all this in Hell?
Given the threats I probably shouldn't be saying it at all, but there's a limit to how quiet I can keep (IRL I don't talk anymore - but they think that's a threat, too).
SOF's Hell is the nicest place I've been for this sort of thing in/for a long while. No guns, no mace or pepper spray, no physical violence.
So different from public school. And life.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by saysay:
I tried a small town in the middle of nowhere West Virginia but they tracked me down in order to punish me for my thoughts and perceived intents.
You have to WEAR your tin foil hat, otherwise they can still find you.
Fuck you until you've been beaten because you might commit a crime.
As my French sister-in-law said "I don't think they're acting. I think they're scared. I think they somehow think you have superpowers so your thoughts cause bad things to happen, and that's why they're doing what they're doing."
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Well, you could emigrate to another country. Or perhaps a state at the other end of the USA. Or some form of shelter related to whatever characteristic that leads to your being targeted (e.g. Battered women's shelter).
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Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
At this point, if you or any church believes than ordaining female priests is heresy, you are obligated to get the hell out of he church. Join the ordinariate like any traditional Anglo-Catholic with a modicum of integrity would.
Why? Is it impossible for an Anglo-Catholic to both hold that the pope do not have universal jurisdiction and that ordaining female priests is heresy?
Does this mean, then, that the Orthodox Churches have no integrity? Or the Old Catholic Churches who do not ordain women? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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No, but it might mean that those who remain in a church they have long since in reality departed company from, lack integrity. It is a painful thing to discover that a denomination of birth or a denomination that was chosen some time ago has shifted and changed, or maybe we have shifted and changed away from it. The easy option - and yet often the most destructive both to the denomination and ourselves - is to stay in it and convince ourselves that it can be changed by us into the vision of what we think it should be. I think that can often be a selfish and self absorbed approach, especially if we have shifted to a particular position all on our own. In such an instance it takes a certain level of courage to admit that maybe we are in the wrong place and should be somewhere else.
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Originally posted by k-mann:
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Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
At this point, if you or any church believes than ordaining female priests is heresy, you are obligated to get the hell out of he church. Join the ordinariate like any traditional Anglo-Catholic with a modicum of integrity would.
Why? Is it impossible for an Anglo-Catholic to both hold that the pope do not have universal jurisdiction and that ordaining female priests is heresy?
Does this mean, then, that the Orthodox Churches have no integrity? Or the Old Catholic Churches who do not ordain women?
I'm with Beeswax on this one. Which is ridiculous because I never agree with him. Maybe he just says it wrong.
As for Anglicans, most of us ordain women and thank God for that. Those who don't want to, should join some of those other denominations you list.
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