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Bibliophile
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I put forward perfectly reasonable arguments, you lose you temper and start swearing and ranting at me and now you're the one complaining about me.
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lilBuddha
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Rather than build your case, you put forth general statements and put the burden of proof on those who disagree. It is a dishonest tactic which puts the burden on the responders without putting forth any real effort yourself.
And your further responses are rinse, lather, repeat. So it is no wonder that you engender wrath.
ETA: Hey, wait! Are you a politician?
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Rather than build your case, you put forth general statements and put the burden of proof on those who disagree. It is a dishonest tactic which puts the burden on the responders without putting forth any real effort yourself.
Perhaps you could give an example of what you mean?
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Porridge
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If your arguments that we live in a feminism-dominated culture are so reasonable, then how do you account for the fact that only 13% of university scientists in the UK are women; that women in the US earn roughly 3/4 what men earn in the same livelihoods; that women, particularly women with children, make up the overwhelming majority (in the US) of those considered by Federal definitions "poor;" why women (despite earning less) are routinely charged more than men for the same services (how different is drycleaning a blouse from drycleaning a shirt? How different is cutting women's hair from cutting men's hair? How different is shortening a pair of men's trousers, often done at no extra charge for the garment, from shortening a woman's skirt (double-digit dollars, where I live)?
If Western society is so feminist-dominated, how do we account for the following:
A few years prior to 1992, a study of more than 22,000 doctors found that taking small doses of aspirin reduces the odds of having a heart attack. This study included not one single woman.
Another study of the effects of diet on breast cancer included . . . not one single woman.
Since women and men differ physiologically, wouldn't it make sense that a feminist-dominated society might demand that diseases affecting women in large numbers, like breast cancer, be studied in women?
Yet an editor of the esteemed (in the US, anyway) New England Journal of Medicine said, in response to such criticisms, "Gender bias is not serious in a way that distorts research. It doesn't serve women well to see sexism where it doesn't exist." This editor, it should be noted, was Marcia Angell, a woman. To quote Carol Tavris, from whose book The Mismeasure of Woman the above information is paraphrased, "Titles [in journal articles] reveal the common practice of basing a study exclusively on men but implying or stating that the results are applicable to both sexes." She goes on to add, "In contrast, almost no one assumes that a study done only on women would apply to men also."
In a society where feminism is culturally dominant, as you assert. how do you explain these data?
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This may sound patronising but ...
Within the ecology of the Ship, Bibliophile is arguing for a minority position while lilBuddha, mr cheesy and I generally are not. This means that if I say something stupid, there's a high chance that someone else will jump in and cover my solecism by saying something sensible, whereas Bibliophile has fewer defenders and has to work harder.
In other words, I think there are very few liberal posters who, without the protection of the herd, would measure up to the high standards of logical debate expected by mr cheesy. Certainly I don't think mr cheesy himself would.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Bibliophile:
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Rather than build your case, you put forth general statements and put the burden of proof on those who disagree. It is a dishonest tactic which puts the burden on the responders without putting forth any real effort yourself.
Perhaps you could give an example of what you mean?
Lol, didn't think you had such a sense of humour.
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Originally posted by Ricardus:
In other words, I think there are very few liberal posters who, without the protection of the herd, would measure up to the high standards of logical debate expected by mr cheesy. Certainly I don't think mr cheesy himself would.
I don't know if I'd agree with"very few", but it certainly doesn't pay to get lazy.
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I guess I qualify as 'liberal', but I've often been in a minority position on a thread (or even a solitary position).
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Ricardus ![[Overused]](graemlins/notworthy.gif) - I think that's spot on.
It'd be possible to have a sensible discussion about to what extent feminism had become a dominant ideology within Western culture (starting with defining feminism). People could rationally come to different conclusions but still explain their views.
I suspect The Ship would be a difficult place to do that though, the opinions are too one-sided and it's too inflammatory (and huge) a subject.
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Ricardus
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LeRoc - So have I for that matter, which is why I weaselled with 'generally'.
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Originally posted by Bibliophile:
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Rather than build your case, you put forth general statements and put the burden of proof on those who disagree. It is a dishonest tactic which puts the burden on the responders without putting forth any real effort yourself.
Perhaps you could give an example of what you mean?
Just in case you didn't get lilbuddha's joke, that is a fine example of what she has just stated.
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Bibliophile
May I say how very Christian it is of you to offer yourself as a martyr to take the ire of shipmates off Tim Hunt. It means they have completely got distracted from the issue of women's involvement in Science. It is one of the swiftest hijackings of an active discussion I have ever seen on Ship of Fools.
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Gamaliel
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Gosh - it didn't take long did it? I wondered how soon it'd be before Bibliolater found himself in Hell.
As soon as I'd read a couple of his posts I thought, 'Ah ah ... I know where you're headed ...'
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One problem here is the idea that one can talk about "feminism" as if all adherents are fighting for exactly the same issues in exactly the same way.
So women who talk about abuse in academia are obviously part of a plot which has a straight-line to women who campaign for abortion. Except, of course, anyone who thinks about this for more than a nanosecond would realise that a woman talking about work conditions in a university might at the same time have strong pro-life views. Or whatever other issue.
Which is clearly bullshit. If a man is a trade unionist, we don't assume he also has strong views about gambling. Why would we?
That's just for instance. Clearly an argument so full of holes that it makes zero sense. Nothing even approaching reality.
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It surely can't surprise one to find Bibliowhatever in hell when all their views read like either a pastiche stereotype or a list of baiting topics. The only real surprise was that it took this long.
Was someone recently made to walk the plank?
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This thought had also occurred to me. It seems to be a curious mixture of undigested thoughts from a teenager and someone who is very familiar with the culture of the ship.
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Gamaliel
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Or someone who doesn't get out as much as they ought to. Or who lives in Idaho.
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Alan Cresswell
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Originally posted by Jengie jon:
completely got distracted from the issue of women's involvement in Science.
Proof positive. Bibliophile is clearly a female scientist. Who else could prove so distracting?
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Ricardus:
This may sound patronising but ...
Within the ecology of the Ship, Bibliophile is arguing for a minority position while lilBuddha, mr cheesy and I generally are not. This means that if I say something stupid, there's a high chance that someone else will jump in and cover my solecism by saying something sensible, whereas Bibliophile has fewer defenders and has to work harder.
In other words, I think there are very few liberal posters who, without the protection of the herd, would measure up to the high standards of logical debate expected by mr cheesy. Certainly I don't think mr cheesy himself would.
Overall, I think your analysis has merit. However, Bibliomightlovebooksbutdoesn'tappeartounderstandtheuseofthebasicunitofabook(words) has not put in the requisite effort to qualify as work.
In order to bolster the case of himsheit, one would have to do the actual work of constructing a real argument to then defend.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Hiro's Leap:
(starting with defining feminism)
The belief that women are people too.
Which I know comes as a shock to many, but there's pretty solid evidence for it.
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Bibliophile
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I think that the definition of feminism as "the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes" is a pretty good one. I've also defined a few more of my terms in my latest post in 'The trouble with girls' thread. I hope that helps.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by Hiro's Leap:
(starting with defining feminism)
The belief that women are people too.
Which I know comes as a shock to many, but there's pretty solid evidence for it.
Someone has to okay Devils Advocate on this ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif) and ask you to cite your evidence.
On a Hell call where the callee has been accused ofnot citing their references it is only fair.
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orfeo
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You know all those phylogenetic studies they can do now? I don't have a link to the source just at the moment, but I'm pretty damn sure I read somewhere that they did one of those on women and discovered their DNA is virtually indistinguishable from that of men.
There's a spot where they seem to have 2 copies of a gene when we only code for 1 copy, but that was in it in terms of difference.
Based on this analysis, scientists are proposing that we be classified as the same species.
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lilBuddha
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Of course women are people! The questions is are men?
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Oh come now, now you're just being silly. Men are people by definition.
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Well, I read somewhere or another that they have this irregular chromosome...
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Well, I read somewhere or another that they have this irregular chromosome...
That's not a bug. It's a feature.
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I think Ricardus's point has merit and overall I agree that conservative posters do have to work harder than liberal ones who can fall back on the support if their more numerous peers.
Unfortunately, Bibliofailure doesn't appear capable of putting in the hard work necessary to hold his own. Watching him clambering out of his trench and into No-man's Land is like watching troops advancing into heavy machine gun fire. He loses half his platoon within the first few yards.
The problem is, he doesn't see it and persists in repeating the same half-baked points over and over thinking it'll get him through the barbed wire. It's not pretty to watch.
There other more conservative posters who can at least lay down a heavier preliminary bombardment or launch flanking attacks. Biblioflounderer just heads straight into the barbed wire oblivious to his own losses.
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And the definition of madness is....doing something which doesn't work. Still doing it....
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I wonder if Bibliowhatsit will respond to the points about sex equality being nominal not actual. If s/he does not, I will suspect that s/he is just baiting people. In fact, many kinds of equality are nominal. I wonder why.
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I suspect that we'll just get the same repeatedly recycled crap, because the textbook Bibliophile is quoting from does not include much actual content.
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Gamaliel
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I doubt if Bibliofacile has access to any text books, still less the capacity to understand them correctly if he has.
He seems to have only one approach to any question, to throw his own unnuanced views at it again and again irrespective of how much evidence or counter-arguments are raised against him.
When he's driving along and comes to a road-junction I expect he simply drives across it and expects everyone else to get out of the way.
As for what books or Bibles he claims to be a 'phile' over, they are probably the comic-book version. I wonder if he's ever read one that hasn't got pictures in?
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
I wonder if Bibliowhatsit will respond to the points about sex equality being nominal not actual. If s/he does not, I will suspect that s/he is just baiting people. In fact, many kinds of equality are nominal. I wonder why.
Right well I'll try again to get this point through again.
Sir Tim Hunt has been removed from various position by Academic institutions following their 'Equalities Policies'
This demonstrates that that these institutions have an 'Equality Policy' which is, however imperfectly, enforced.
A femininist culture would be a culture where the existence of an 'Equality Policy' would be seen as a good thing.
An anti-feminist culture would be a culture where the existence of an 'Equality Policy', however imperfectly enforced, would be seen as a bad thing.
A dominant culture is a culture that has the power to get its way on points like this. So a dominant feminist culture would have the power and desire to keep these policies in place, to keep the Equality Act in place and to discuss strengthening these policies and laws. A dominant anti feminist culture would have he power and desire to abolish these policies and repeal the Equality Act
Neither this academic institution nor, as far as I'm aware, any other academic institution or corporation which has had an equality policy has abolished it, or even seriously talked about abolishing it. Neither is there any serious talk or prospect of the Equality Act being repealed. The only serious talk and prospect is about these rules being strengthened.
Therefore the culture that is getting its way on this point is a feminist culture. Therefore the feminist culture is dominant.
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Oh dear. I'm getting a strong smell of men's rights here. The wimminz have tukken over the world. Men is done wrong, can't have their kids, can't wear the trousers, the wimminz haz wun.
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A dominent culture wouldn't need Acts of Parliament to enforce it.
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Gamaliel
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![[Confused]](confused.gif)
I'm not sure that follows. All it tells us is that feminist reaction against this sort of thing can be influential.
It doesn't mean that feminism is the dominant ideology in our society.
If I may say so, you do tend to put things into simple black-and-white and binary categories.
Someone could pick up on an instance of gender inequality (and there are plenty of examples) and say that a 'patriarchal' anti-feminist note is the dominant one in our society.
I don't believe these things fall out into such neat categories as that. Perhaps it's time you started reading books without pictures in or learning joined-up writing ...
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Bibliophile
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
A dominent culture wouldn't need Acts of Parliament to enforce it.
A non dominant culture wouldn't be able to get such Acts of Parliament passed in the first place.
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Alan's point about acts of parliament is interesting in relation to patriarchy. It's often said that the legal erasure of married women (coverture) is a prime example of patriarchal relations writ into law, but of course this was removed to an extent by the various Married Women's Property Acts of the late 19th century.
But, and it's a big but, the fact that these acts changed the law, doesn't mean that the culture was changed. In other words, women could still be seen as property, although legally they were not.
How you measure cultural change is more uncertain than counting acts of parliament. Thus, we have laws against racist discrimination - does this mean that we live in a non-racist culture? Hardly.
But Bibliomensrights is making a very black and white equation - there are various legal stipulations for sex equality, therefore feminism is dominant. Not so.
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
Oh dear. I'm getting a strong smell of men's rights here. The wimminz have tukken over the world. Men is done wrong, can't have their kids, can't wear the trousers, the wimminz haz wun.
Feminist culture being dominant is not the same thing as women being dominant. Men can be feminist too of course. In fact without the existence of feminist men neither the Equality Act, nor other equality legislation nor any of these 'Equality Policies' would exist in the first place.
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Originally posted by Bibliophile:
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
A dominent culture wouldn't need Acts of Parliament to enforce it.
A non dominant culture wouldn't be able to get such Acts of Parliament passed in the first place.
There were no slaves in the parliament that abolished slavery, just a majority of predominant wealthy men who saw slavery to be immoral and/or economically inefficient.
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Originally posted by Bibliophile:
A femininist culture would be a culture where the existence of an 'Equality Policy' would be seen as a good thing.
Um, no. A feminist culture would be a culture where the existence of an 'Equality Policy' would be unnecessary.
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
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Originally posted by Bibliophile:
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
A dominent culture wouldn't need Acts of Parliament to enforce it.
A non dominant culture wouldn't be able to get such Acts of Parliament passed in the first place.
There were no slaves in the parliament that abolished slavery, just a majority of predominant wealthy men who saw slavery to be immoral and/or economically inefficient.
Exactly. The dominant culture there was an anti-slavery culture. That did not make it a slave culture.
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Exactly. The dominant culture there was an anti-slavery culture. That did not make it a slave culture.
Fuck me sideways.
Have you not considered that the law needed to be changed for the very reason that society was saturated with slavery? If it was not a "slave culture" why did it take Wilberforce and co more than 20 years to pass the abolition legislation?
You're out of your depth, son. Go back to reading your fairy stories or theology books or whatever else it is that you normally do for kicks.
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Bibliophile
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by Bibliophile:
A femininist culture would be a culture where the existence of an 'Equality Policy' would be seen as a good thing.
Um, no. A feminist culture would be a culture where the existence of an 'Equality Policy' would be unnecessary.
Well if I'm getting so wrong than enlighten me then.
If the dominant culture is anti-feminist and if at the same time the 'Equality Policy' and laws exist it means one of two things.
Either a dominant anti-feminist culture wants these 'Equality Policies' and laws to exist
Or A dominant culture does not have the power to stop these policies and laws from existing.
Perhaps you could say which one of these two is the case and why you think it is the case?
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Originally posted by Bibliophile:
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
A dominent culture wouldn't need Acts of Parliament to enforce it.
A non dominant culture wouldn't be able to get such Acts of Parliament passed in the first place.
This isn't how it works. Women didn't vote themselves the right to vote; men voted women the right to vote. In the United States, our congress regularly passes laws that polls show the majority of Americans oppose.
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Gamaliel
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Goodness me, men voted women the right to vote -- therefore we must have a 'feminist' culture ...
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I don't know where you're posting from Bibliophile, but whichever planet it is it appears to have a logic and nuance by-pass culture ...
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quetzalcoatl
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It sounds like part of the right-wing backlash to me. Women/gays/blacks have taken over the world, and men/straights/whites have become the victims of the dominant cultures, which are feminist, homosexualist, pro-black, or however it's expressed.
It has to use very unsubtle concepts like 'dominance' to express this, and has to deny any sense of conflict or contestation. Thus if laws are passed about sex equality, that is feminist dominance, and so on.
In other news, film at 11.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by jacobsen:
And the definition of madness is....doing something which doesn't work. Still doing it....
And this applies to the people arguing with the idiot as well.
It is quite clear that Bookfucker is either a troll or phenomenally dense. Coming to Hell to call it names might be marginally satisfying, but might as well be arguing with an answer machine.
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