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Firenze

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Chez Firenze is not doing Christmas this year. No tree, no decorations, sending no cards, buying no presents. We'll go to friends' on Christmas day and have a nice - but not especially seasonal - meal.

Early days yet, but I have to say that I am quite liking it - and might very well continue on this course even after the immediate circumstances no longer obtain.

Anyone else Just Not Bothering? Or otherwise opting out of the Norm?

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I have to erect and decorate the holiday tree at work. So I said that if anyone wanted to have the tree at home, they had better plan to do the work themselves. There have been no takers.

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Good idea Firenze - I would if I could!

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Firenze

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I wonder if what's stopping us is a possibly unfounded belief in others' expectations?

- I must do this because my family expect it

- I suppose we'd better visit, she'll be expecting us


I mean, once you're past the age of expecting Santa to bring you presents, are we all not just engaged in a strenuous charade of what we think others think?

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I don't do putting up decorations - I let others do that if they want to. I buy the minimum of presents, and few if any cards.

So I largely opt out, but I join in other peoples Christmases.

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I do this when I spend Christmas at home, though occasionally I spend Christmas with family and so am then part of their Christmassy stuff. There was a time when my dad would always pressure me to come to his house for Christmas, and I would go reluctantly. Then I realised it was because he was worried about my being alone for Christmas - the cultural assumption that it's terrible to be alone for Christmas. That assumption is quite pressurising - because people do always ask how you've spent Christmas, and if you say you spent it alone, they feel sorry for you! So sometimes I would visit family for Christmas purely to avoid being pitied!

But when I realised that my dad was concerned about my being alone, then I explained to him that I prefer being alone, and that I don't like Christmas celebrations and get togethers, and I prefer quiet. He didn't really believe me until I got a diagnosis of Aspergers and then I told him that people on the autism spectrum don't like Christmas - which is a sweeping stereotype of the kind I hate, because everyone is different, and some do like it, of course. But it is a stereotype that is out there, and it does apply to me, and I didn't know what else to say to make him believe me. And it turned out that was just the right thing to say (commonly-held stereotypes are apparently more convincing than my own self-insight!). And now I can have Christmas alone and not celebrate it, and my dad is okay with that, so I don't feel guilty.

I explained I prefer to see him at other times of the year which are not Christmas and are just normal days with no expectations or crowds, and he actually agreed, and then confided in me that he prefers a quiet Christmas alone too - he doesn't mind seeing my sisters and my aunts and uncles, and he has the get-togethers because they are the socially expected thing to do, but he prefers being alone really, same as me. [Smile]

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I like that there is a thread for this, by the way. It's nice to know I am not the only one, and to not be frowned on! [Smile]
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Our Christmas will be minimal in places. No tree, no presents to put under it. Exterior decorations will likely be a wreath on the door. While some of our neighbors spent hours stringing lights around their houses, if we have any at all it will be a couple electric candles left burning in a high window as a sign of welcome to travelers.

Our families are scattered across the continent. A couple relatives live nearby, and we'll get together for dinner. Another two live ~4 hours away, and one of them might show up (but not both - they don't get along.)

We're happy to host the occasion. In fact, we prefer it that way for a number of reasons: not having to drive home afterwards, the lack of yappy animals underfoot, and the ability to enforce proper sanitation during dish washing make it a more pleasant experience, both during and afterwards.

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Hmm. I do enjoy decorations, a tree etc (I just enjoy decorating generally so it's not a big effort) but certainly prefer to have all that alone. I like seeing people and exchanging gifts, but in the week between Christmas and New Year rather than on the day itself. I prefer to go to a New Year party rather than a Christmas one.

I currently do not live alone and financially may not ever be able to do so - more and more young people have to share houses for longer and longer - and that's quite a stressful thought.

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I've spent Christmas alone on several occasions in the past due to a variety of circumstances. But this year I'll probably be spending it alone due to a disagreement between my niece and me over the attention (or, more precisely, the lack thereof) I show toward her children. To be honest, I'm not thrilled about the prospect of being alone on Christmas day this year, but I'll make the best of it.

I haven't sent cards for years. Everyone knows that I'm thinking of them and wishing them the best without the necessity of fattening the coffers of the greeting card industry.

I put a poinsettia out on the porch and a wreath on my door, but other than that there will be no decorations.

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There is the creeping commercialisation of Christmas here but, as yet, it is small beer compared to the Major Festivals here like Vishu [April] and Onam [August/September] so it is a lot easier to ignore it all beyond going to Midnight Mass. The day itself will not be marked as particularly special - as I gave both Himself and Herself big pressies for their birthdays this year but stressed they are for Christmas too I only have a few cakes to buy and that will be it. I won't be alone on the day but I won't be doing anything special either.

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I have a tree, and will send some cards (and enjoy getting the few that I still do), but the day itself I'll spend alone and happily so. A glass of champagne late morning, my choice of what to eat (lamb this year, I think, or possibly fillet of beef), DVDs or reading, as the mood takes me.

I do wonder if this isn't at least partly a reaction to my mother's insistence on "family Christmas" with all in attendance (including siblings' spouses, and their own families' wishes be damned) - until it no longer suited her, when we were allowed to make our own arrangements.

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Have never owned decorations of any kind, don't send cards or anything like that. I spend my Christmas travelling around the country, trying to show my face at least once and dishing out a few presents.

It wouldn't be so bad, if it weren't for the fact that the combination of bad weather and engineering works makes travelling anywhere a real pain. Plus, my mother has an edict that no one is allowed to spend Christmas day (as though it's any more special than any other day) by themselves. In order to meet this stipulation, it means having some unnecessary inconvenience immediately either side of the day itself. So this year, Christmas Eve will mostly be spent in the charming environs of Victoria Coach Station. [Help]

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Read this thread to see what you were all on about. Going now.

I like Christmas, I like my family around me (here or theirs, I don't mind) Mr.N and I spent the last two Christmas days on our own, and it was HORRID.

But don't like Christmas creep or commercialisation. Just ignore that.

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Firenze

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Ah, the Christmas travelling... I can remember some journeys would have had even the Magi turning back.
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I usually have a low-key Christmas - decorations consist mostly of received cards strung across the saloon of my houseboat - and my family are not a rapacious present-coveting lot! All the ghastly commercialisation simply passes me by (though I like the current trend to have blue lights on houses - a suitable colour for Advent).

I do enjoy the Christmas services at Our Place - mostly fairly traditional - and the free dinner for needy/lonely peeps held after the Christmas morning Family Mass.

Alas, a sudden onset of illness (probably long-term) which prevents me from driving means that I will not be able to take any part in our worship and activities (and I may be in hospital anyway). Never mind - there is a lively little MOTR church in my village, within easy walking distance, so I may have a chance to try it out again (haven't been to a service there for yonks).

Christmas Day may well be spent alone, but that suits me fine. It'll be nice and peaceful, and I can listen to what carols/Christmas music I like on CDs or the radio!

I.

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Welease Woderwick

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I have sort of planned by Christmas Day musical entertainment - Verdi's Falstaff - a fairly fun little number and really not at all Christmassy.

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I have a tree with fairy lights - I love Christmas decorations, they brighten up dull winter days and dark evenings - but that's about it so far.

There was a time years ago when I hated spending Christmas alone, and felt utterly miserable - it made me feel that I'd totally failed in life - but now I quite enjoy the peace and quiet of a low-key Christmas. I don't have to eat stodgy food I don't enjoy, watch TV in a stuffy room, pacify anybody, or wear clothes I don't want to wear. I'm not going to be disturbed (I hope) and with no public transport running I won't feel obliged to travel anywhere. I can legitimately catch up on reading and DVDs, and not feel that I ought to be doing something else.

One year I had spaghetti bolognaise for Christmas lunch, another year it was a prawn curry. It was what I wanted. This year it may well be roast duck in plum sauce with fried rice.

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I'm afraid I'm the wrong person for this thread - I really rather enjoy the whole social bit of Christmas, but I can understand people who don't.

The complicated choreography of family doesn't apply to us, as D's work means that Christmas is a working day*, so we haven't spent Christmas with family for many years. While a part of me would love to be with my sister and her mob (who always sound very jolly when we phone them), I'm happy for us to do what we do - church in the morning, pressies and GIN when we get home, and traditional Christmas dinner with friends in the choir in the evening.

* If we had a pound for every time D's been asked "are you going home for Christmas?" (he hasn't been "home" for Christmas for about 40 years) we could retire ... [Mad]

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Ah, Christmas travelling! We once had crisps as Christmas lunch, in a motorway services car park.

However, church in the am, then just the 2 of us, a bottle or so of something or somethings, a rib of beef, crackers and Christmas pud, then the Queen and Doctor Who.

What's un-Christmassy about that? Lovely!

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Confession: I sometimes yearn for a Christmas alone. I would seriously love it - for at least half a day, anyway, but then I would probably feel the need to go and serve at some community function, unless I was physically unable to do so.

What would I do if I COULD have Christmas all to myself?
Midnight mass, a lit candle in a window and lots of reading, I think. Maybe watch all of Anne of Green Gables or some other marathon that takes a big chunk of dedicated time with no interruptions. And a very long nanna nap.

The down side would be the phone calls that would probably torpedo this daydream of mine unless I made sure all the phones were offline for the day too!

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Welease Woderwick

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I think I recall rightly that Quentin Crisp's perfect Christmas included the phone off the hook, along with a locked door, ignoring the bell and GIN.

[How many years is it now since phones actually had hooks?]

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These days one can simply unplug the phone line, but otherwise I think QC has it right!

Hah Bumhug, as they say.

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quote:
Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
I think I recall rightly that Quentin Crisp's perfect Christmas included the phone off the hook, along with a locked door, ignoring the bell and GIN.

[How many years is it now since phones actually had hooks?]

In his latter (ie post fourth marriage) years Jeffrey Bernard used to have Christmas Lunch at The Dorchester. He found that their burger and chips, with side salad and a bottled of champagne made a fine festive dinner.

I think JB had a good idea there.

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It's years since I had a Christmas in my own home - the decorations stay in the box, as I often don't hit the home base until well after New Year, by which time it seems a bit late.

But I do enjoy it, on the whole. One day I hope to host Christmas for friends, but who knows when that will happen?

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Other than going to church on Christmas morning I usually spend the whole of Christmas Day and Boxing Day on my own. I have no close family and no friends that I can spend Christmas with. On the whole I prefer it that way.

I don't buy or receive any presents - except for Secret Santa at work - and I only send a handful of cards, so all the talk about Christmas shopping and being too busy and the stress of visiting family that i hear all around me just isn't an issue for me.

I find the whole Christmas period difficult for lots of reasons. For the last 15 or so years a cloud of dread seems to descend on me around Christmas and (especially) New Year but spending the actual day on my own is pretty much OK usually.

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I used to get that feeling of foreboding in the run-up to Christmas, but after checking with my Dad, we agreed that it was probably a hangover from my mother's death, which happened early in the New Year. Apparently Hiroshima survivors have a similar, but probably much worse, feeling as August approaches. Winter being a time when the old, the young and the fragile die, it's not surprising that there's a sense of impending calamity about the season.
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Firenze

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Mind you 'A green Christmas is a full churchyard' as my grandmother used to say. Frequently.

Maybe it is, as Donne says both the year's and the day's deep midnight.

It is entirely proper to be affected by the death or dwindling of everything we live by - flowers, leaves, colour, heat, light. I am enough of a pagan to feel the Solstice really is a Thing.

Part of the unChristmas might just be the space to acknowledge things this year has irrevocably taken away - but then to see the return, if not of hope (that's over), but of peace.

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A benefit of being one of the longer-term employees of the office: last night I Did Not Go™ to the office Christmas party. A couple of people commented on this and I told them straight up that it was because I didn’t want to. It felt good.

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I tried that one year but failed ignominiously - my boss could be very directive at times!

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Firenze

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Very true. If there is one thing reconciling me to the grave above all else, it's not having to go to the office Christmas party. That, and not having to cook or eat turkey.
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There's absolutely nothing to stop you eating Something That Isn't Turkey™ - if it was my choice, I'd much rather have venison. Or beef, or lamb, or chicken ... [Big Grin]

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Firenze

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Nothing does stop me. The point was the Office Christmas Dinner so often was mass catering turkey...
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Just to add that both Mr F and I are enjoying the unStress of not buying each other presents.
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quote:
Originally posted by Firenze:
... the Office Christmas Dinner so often was mass catering turkey...

I wonder if it was that sort of thing that put me off it; I've had some fairly duff "turkey dinners" which may explain why I'd rather have almost anything else.

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My son insists I go to his fiancée's family Christmas lunch, along with another few strays. I strongly suspect it will be turkey and Christmas pudding, neither of which I like much at all. I could perhaps eat a slice of turkey but no way do I eat plum pudding.

I. am quite happy to be by myself, even if I get something fancy to eat which I probably would not bother with normally. Some really good prawns or other seafood, good salad, mangoes and peaches etc and some good prosecco and Brown Bros port or muscat to finish and I will be perfectly happy.

I think they feel guilty about leaving me. There are other places I could go but am perfectly satisfied to be by myself.

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It's the assumption that because it is Christmas one is obliged to be sociable! I have nothing [or not too much] against being sociable but why am I expected to be sociable on someone else's terms?

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Went to Handel's Messiah. Wonderful. That is enough Christmas music.

We have snow. Wonderful. The week before Xmas we go skiing. Little cabin in the forest by a frozen lake with deer, coyotes, wolves about. The bears are sleeping. I shall bake bread. We shall drink and mull both wine and thoughts. I have a hankering for fresh artichokes eaten leaf by leaf. And fondue, both the broth and cheese. I think if it makes you happy Baby Jesus is happy too. I shall raise a glass, a fork, a leaf and a ski to the Little Beggar.

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I'll be convalescing from surgery. Just a few tweaks to my sinuses but I don't know how I will feel and so I have no plans. It's great!

most years I've gone away to a sunny clime and this year I could do with getting away, Cumbria (where I live) has been bereft of sunshine and inundated with wet stuff coming out of the sky.

I do have a couple of invites. I may climb Hellvelyn if I'm up to it and the weather is ok. I may go to another friend, but I just don't know.

It's a full moon on xmas day so I will certainly take the time to honour that.

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quote:
Originally posted by Beenster:
I'll be convalescing from surgery. Just a few tweaks to my sinuses but I don't know how I will feel

If my experience is anything to go by, fine - once they take the several yards of cotton wool out of your nose.

You may be instructed to inhale steam, which is quite pleasant, particularly if you put a few drops of essential oils in the water.

In fact, I may go and snort some peppermint and lavender later just for the fun of it.

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Thanks Firenze, I was rather hoping I would skip out looking like Emma Watson but I somehow doubt it. I've underplayed it a tad, I need a septorhinoplasty along with a drainage of a cyst in my sinuses. I've got a stack of gin which will aid recovery along with arnica for bruising and other homeopathic remedies.
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Best of luck, Beenster. Thirty years ago I had a deviated septum op, and the breathing holes at the back of the nose were enlarged. The results were only supposed to last for twenty years, but the improvement is still there. May you have as good a result, after the first three days of thinking you'll suffocate every time you try to swallow, and of course the removal of what feels like a mile of continuous Tampax from the site of operations. It's really worth doing. [Votive]

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Thanks ! I'm just being a bit high maintenance about it all. I need to get over myself :-)
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Hope it goes okay, Beenster. I have an option of getting some surgery on my septum and my turbinates and nasal valves to help me breathe better, and it sounds like very good surgery, but I'm a wimp about such things, so I've opted not to have it. I'd be high maintenance about it if I were going to have it too! :-)
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Being high maintenance about anything like knives or needles or dentists is perfectly okay with me - at the moment Herself is having daily injections and even somebody else having stuff done makes me cringe!

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quote:
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... I need to get over myself :-)

Indeed you do not - your health (and that of your septo-rhino-whatsits) is very important.

Hope it all goes well. [Smile]

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My knee is getting better [Yipee] 3 or 4 months ago I fell down the steps and hurt my knee and it is s-l-o-w-l-y getting better. The physio visit was painful, but when I was upright and walking home afterwards it didn't hurt.

Beenster, be kind to yourself. As Wodders said anything with sharp, pointy things is horrible. I think that discomfort in any part of the head feels worse because it's harder to separate from it.

Huia

Copied over to Aches and Pains thread where it belongs.

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Sorry [Hot and Hormonal] I thought I was on the Aches and Pains thread.

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Meanwhile, back at the loneliest time of the year for some of us . . .

A local church recently put on a service called "Blue Christmas." Quoting from their website:
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For some, Christmas Day is the most difficult. . . . [W]e invite you to reflect on the pain, loneliness, anxiety or sadness you may feel. With words of lament, prayer, moments of silence, and reflective music, we will acknowledge the pain in our world and seek God’s presence and healing. . . . [Y]ou will find hope and comfort in knowing that you are not alone.
I wish I had known about this early enough to go to it. I think it's a wonderful idea.

On a more cheerful note, I have an invitation to go to my sister's for dinner and conversation on Christmas day. I did tell her that I didn't think I could handle the nieces and nephews and grand-same, and she understands.

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Just want to thank people so much for good wishes. I can't say how great the nursing staff were and how kind people have been.

The op was a lot shorter than was planned due to theatre availability. I was given the option of having a rush job with no reconstructive surgery (ie keep the shape of my nose) or come back another time. Or, come back and change shape of nose. His ego was out of this world which is a good thing in a surgeon as you know they really care about doing a first class job.

So minimal collaterol damage. No bruising. No tampax up my nose. Just a tender nose and bit bloody looking - too sore to clean up.

Everyone was amazing tho. I feel so lucky and humbled to have been the recipient of such kindnesses.

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