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OK, I have been away for a few days. The company was generally OK, however there was one dinner time conversation that went somewhat awry.

One gentleman was rather reminiscent of Chris from Eggheads (who I am sure is actually very nice). However he came over as very arrogant and grumpy. He was also a West Ham fan (make of that what you will, but so was Alf Garnett).

At dinner, he asked a little about what people thought of the EU referendum. I should have known that he just wanted to tell us what to do, but I actually didn't have a chance to say anything.

Please bear in mind that I was on retreat, so not really in a mood for a fight.

He explained that he had received a prophecy in the mid Nineties. It was very clearly saying that we should not be involved in the EU, because it was a corrupt and evil organisation. There was a lot of other Hal Lindsey crap as well. He explained how this had been confirmed (which was meaningless - post-justification of what he wanted to believe).

He said that we should be out of the EU because their legal system was humanist (I am not sure what he things the UK legal system is based on. It is just as bad). And he was on a mission to convince people that God had told him this, so they should vote to leave.

Given the fact he seemed to think Nigel Farage was rather too centrist, I am sure that he really wanted to stay in before God revealed this to him.

He owns a Christian bookshop, which is to my mind a good reason to buy my books online.

Then another member of the dinner group explained that just before the election, He had a word that "God wanted a Right-Wing government".

I am sure that the fact that this goes against the entire tenor of the Bible was irrelevant, because this was a Prophetic Word. That happened to also confirm with his particular viewpoint.

That wasn't a word from God. That was YOUR OWN DESIRES.

I do believe that God can talk to people, that he can give prophetic words to people. But when you head God confirming your own beliefs and ideas, that is more likely to be your own self.

Really, read the fucking bible before you start to claim what God is saying. He has pretty much said it. The God that you are talking about is a vile, manipulative, obnoxious monster, and I want NOTHING to do with him.

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Well, that's odd. I received a prophesy during the 90s that the UK's only hope of not becoming the spawning ground of the Anti-Christ was to join a federal Europe and become a republic.

We can't both be right.

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I can only guess at the look you gave them. I hope you didn't give them any money.

(Were either of these individuals called Boris, by any chance?)

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The last time Europe thought god was doing the talking it's citizens set about killing each other in large numbers.

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They do think Boris is a great person, of course.

I also find it interesting that he has clearly assumed that this word from 20 years ago is unchanged. He has not, apparently, ascertained whether God might want us in Europe now.

No I am not jealous, actually. I do think God talks to me at times, and has been of late. It it not anything like as clear, and it is taking me a long time to see if this is a message from God. It is not a medieval-worded word that I can quote.

And these examples are just blatant cases of people finding God in their arses. But there are many cases where this approach is used to oppress and demean people. "God told me" so often means "You should do this". If you say "Kindly fuck off you arrogant bastard", the response is that "Nothing to do with me, I am just telling you what God says".

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I no longer believe that the creator of the universe talks to me inside my head, so I would probably just have advised him to seek psychiatric help.
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It has been said: You know God has spoken to you when he ends up hating the same people you do.

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Most of the Republican candidates were told by God to run.
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quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
I do believe that God can talk to people, that he can give prophetic words to people. But when you head God confirming your own beliefs and ideas, that is more likely to be your own self.

More likely? Yeah.

Though for a while I was trying to convince people that G-d really, really didn't want us to go into Libya, and I'm not convinced I was wrong.

(OTOH, I was also more likely to frame the argument in terms of how going into Libya was a really bad idea, because a lot of the people I know start looking at you like you have three heads if you start going on too much about G-d.)

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Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
It has been said: You know God has spoken to you when he ends up hating the same people you do.

I've always heard that as 'you know you've successfully created God in your own image when it turns out he hates all the same people you do.'

But OK.

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As the very wise Milton Jones put it: wherever someone begins a sentence with "God says..." they're either about to be very right or very wrong.

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quote:
Originally posted by saysay:
quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
I do believe that God can talk to people, that he can give prophetic words to people. But when you head God confirming your own beliefs and ideas, that is more likely to be your own self.

More likely? Yeah.

Though for a while I was trying to convince people that G-d really, really didn't want us to go into Libya, and I'm not convinced I was wrong.

Now that is fine. It is a conviction that you have formed from a belief, some investigation, and believe that this seems to be something that God wants.

That is a whole different level from saying "God told me that we must not invade Libya, and if you disagree you are wrong because God told me". That is abusive bullshit.

I meant to add that the chap came to the retreat house I was at to go on "Prayer walks". As far as I could tell, these were just what most people would call "A Nice Walk", but I presume that would count as pleasurable, so it has to be a Prayer Walk so it sounds spiritual instead.

In truth, I have known a number of people of his sort before. They have always seemed to me to be unbelievable cranio-rectally inserted. Theirs is a God worthy of real hate.

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I would dearly love to ask some of those GOP nominees (Jeb, Carson, Santorum) what God is saying about their candidacy these days.

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You always have the option of saying, "God just told me he told you no such thing, and he's pissed off that you said he did."

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
I would dearly love to ask some of those GOP nominees (Jeb, Carson, Santorum) what God is saying about their candidacy these days.

Apparently God never told them they would win, just that they should run. It might just be another indication of God's sense of humor.

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God's plan for Europe collapsed with the fall of the Habsburgs. Since then we can do nothing but mark time before the end.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
I would dearly love to ask some of those GOP nominees (Jeb, Carson, Santorum) what God is saying about their candidacy these days.

Apparently God never told them they would win, just that they should run. It might just be another indication of God's sense of humor.
Imagine how scary it is to hear God say "Run!"

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How about, "God told me you are not my wife , as you did not know how to hear me properly at that time, ". He was also told that this meant he could do what ge liked, and he did.

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quote:
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Well, that's odd. I received a prophesy during the 90s that the UK's only hope of not becoming the spawning ground of the Anti-Christ was to join a federal Europe and become a republic.

We can't both be right.

Unless God is just playing with you both for laughs...
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quote:
Originally posted by Adeodatus:
quote:
Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
I would dearly love to ask some of those GOP nominees (Jeb, Carson, Santorum) what God is saying about their candidacy these days.

Apparently God never told them they would win, just that they should run. It might just be another indication of God's sense of humor.
Imagine how scary it is to hear God say "Run!"
As long as He sounds like Christopher Eccleston...

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Adeodatus:
Imagine how scary it is to hear God say "Run!"

As long as He sounds like Christopher Eccleston...
Better than to hear Matt Smith say that.

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quote:
Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
I would dearly love to ask some of those GOP nominees (Jeb, Carson, Santorum) what God is saying about their candidacy these days.

Apparently God never told them they would win, just that they should run. It might just be another indication of God's sense of humor.
It's either that or "God wanted me to win, but this Godless nation has once again rejected his chosen path".

When there is always an answer, and you are always right, it sounds much more like fatalism than anything else.

If your "word" comes true, that is Gods choice. If it doesn't, sinful people are thwarting Gods plans. Other people, of course.

Incidentally, this chap wrote a book and made some money out of it, it would seem. So he has done OK (Earthquake in the City, in case anyone is interested, or has read it). Of course he was very reluctant to write the book, and God had to encourage him to do so.

Which, in all honestly, I don't believe. He runs book shops. Of course he wanted his name on a book there. As long as it sold well enough, because success is everything.

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And these examples are just blatant cases of people finding God in their arses.

Off to the quotes file......

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The usual rule of thumb I start out with when people say God spoke to them is largely similar to what a couple of comments here have said: "Does it sound like something that person would have said/done anyway?" If someone's got a long history of Harold Camping impersonations, the next time they say that God's told them the end is nigh, I'm less inclined to believe them.

What gives me the real problem is some the biblical precedents, in particular Abraham & Isaac.

While Abraham may not have been known as a child killer, he passes the 'existing prejudice' test, but proposing that he murder his son is just plain madness. It's often dressed up as faithful obedience, but the whitewashing in the epistle of James imposes on the Genesis narrative a story that just isn't there in the Torah.

If anyone says God told them to take their child up a mountain and kill them, 21st century liberal me would be on the phone to the police as soon as possible. I may be just incredibly thick, but I can't tell what the discriminating factors are between someone who has genuinely been called by God to do something odd, potentially dangerous, and the fuckwits like this guy. I'm inclined to think of a lot of biblical characters as deluded loons who belong in the same bucket.

And no, I don't think hindsight counts as a suitable discerning factor. [Roll Eyes]

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Actually, Abraham going to sacrifice his son was probably not as socially heinous then as it would be now. I believe many faiths and communities would engage in child sacrifice of some sort.

If someone said it today, I would call the police and expect them to be put into psychological care.

I suppose my take on the "them or God" is that if their argument is that God is agreeing with them, I am suspicious. If it is that they are having to agree with God, then I might listen. Of course, false humility can make this difficult to determine, but that is why you need to know them better.

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quote:
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Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:

And these examples are just blatant cases of people finding God in their arses.

Off to the quotes file......
It worked for Balaam...

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In that period, throughout much of the world, you were perfectly cool killing your children. Romans did it all the time. It did not even have to be a baby (exposed on the hillside), you could off your grown son. It was also okay to kill your wife -- plenty more where those came from. Your slaves were meat puppets. Do anything you want to them -- rape, lending them for sex to all and sundry (remember Leah and Rachel's handmaidens), prostituting them and keeping the cash, starring them in sex shows, cutting off their hair and selling it to wigmakers, impregnating them and then selling the offspring off as slaves -- all cool. Your peers, men and fellow slave owners all, would nod and yawn.
Abraham's faith was not in the possible killing of Isaac. It was that Isaac was the only son on deck, the bearer of the promise of future offspring.

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Some even read the story as a rebuke to the common practice of child sacrifice-- i.e. Abraham, following the cultural norm, "hears" God telling him to sacrifice Isaac. But the true "hearing God" comes when he sees the ram and realizes a better way.

But that may be a revisionist reading...

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For what it's worth, my own experience of God is that he's perfectly fine with telling you to do something and allowing you to draw all the wrong conclusions from it, and THEN turning your worldview upside down a bit later with a second instruction.

Looking back, you can see that he never actually told you the things that you assumed as corollaries (e.g. He says, "Go, sacrifice your son" but does not say "He's going to wind up dead"). The first instruction is enough to get you on the path he wants you to take, and if you freak out because you've jumped a conclusion too far, he's okay with that a lot of the time. Which drives me freaking insane.

Of course, you get the second instruction at the right time (which is to say, to make the result come out to whatever God intended all along); you just don't get it early enough to spare your sanity.

God can be extremely annoying. Anybody else and I'd be saying fucking annoying, but I have some inhibition left.

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As the gay Muslim Rumi - 'Roman' - said 800 years ago: silence is the language of god, all else is poor translation.

I can testify to that in my recent conversion to pacifism, not by the sword, except that of the Spirit, behind the marred visage of Christ looking mutely back at me in my mind's eye.

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As the gay Muslim Rumi - 'Roman' - said 800 years ago: silence is the language of god, all else is poor translation.

I've just found a new sig. Thanks.

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[Smile] My senility is such that I was talking wi' t' missus yesterday about being pruned of superstition in my faith, about hanging on to Baby when the bathwater is gone, wondering if it was a postmodern phenomenon and Rumi for one got there 800 years ago.

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The last time Europe thought god was doing the talking it's citizens set about killing each other in large numbers.

Really? Please explain, I can't think of any large scale killings within Europe that were instigated or even explained/justified by anyone thinking god was talking.
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Originally posted by Sipech:
The usual rule of thumb I start out with when people say God spoke to them is largely similar to what a couple of comments here have said: "Does it sound like something that person would have said/done anyway?" If someone's got a long history of Harold Camping impersonations, the next time they say that God's told them the end is nigh, I'm less inclined to believe them.

What gives me the real problem is some the biblical precedents, in particular Abraham & Isaac.

While Abraham may not have been known as a child killer, he passes the 'existing prejudice' test, but proposing that he murder his son is just plain madness. It's often dressed up as faithful obedience, but the whitewashing in the epistle of James imposes on the Genesis narrative a story that just isn't there in the Torah.

If anyone says God told them to take their child up a mountain and kill them, 21st century liberal me would be on the phone to the police as soon as possible. I may be just incredibly thick, but I can't tell what the discriminating factors are between someone who has genuinely been called by God to do something odd, potentially dangerous, and the fuckwits like this guy. I'm inclined to think of a lot of biblical characters as deluded loons who belong in the same bucket.

And no, I don't think hindsight counts as a suitable discerning factor. [Roll Eyes]

I agree with Rabbi Sacks who says Christians get this story wrong. It is not about Abraham being faithful it is about YHW being totally opposed to human sacrifice. The whole point is that child sacrifice was common amongst the people of Abraham but YHW wanted to show that he didn't want human sacrifices.
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or to pull in another religion;
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Probably best not offered as a rebuttal to the person in the original post during the meat course if there are sharp knives.

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quote:
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Originally posted by Sipech:
The usual rule of thumb I start out with when people say God spoke to them is largely similar to what a couple of comments here have said: "Does it sound like something that person would have said/done anyway?" If someone's got a long history of Harold Camping impersonations, the next time they say that God's told them the end is nigh, I'm less inclined to believe them.

What gives me the real problem is some the biblical precedents, in particular Abraham & Isaac.

While Abraham may not have been known as a child killer, he passes the 'existing prejudice' test, but proposing that he murder his son is just plain madness. It's often dressed up as faithful obedience, but the whitewashing in the epistle of James imposes on the Genesis narrative a story that just isn't there in the Torah.

If anyone says God told them to take their child up a mountain and kill them, 21st century liberal me would be on the phone to the police as soon as possible. I may be just incredibly thick, but I can't tell what the discriminating factors are between someone who has genuinely been called by God to do something odd, potentially dangerous, and the fuckwits like this guy. I'm inclined to think of a lot of biblical characters as deluded loons who belong in the same bucket.

And no, I don't think hindsight counts as a suitable discerning factor. [Roll Eyes]

I agree with Rabbi Sacks who says Christians get this story wrong. It is not about Abraham being faithful it is about YHW being totally opposed to human sacrifice. The whole point is that child sacrifice was common amongst the people of Abraham but YHW wanted to show that he didn't want human sacrifices.
Similar to what I said upthread... so there are at least some Christians who read it that way.

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Originally posted by rolyn:
The last time Europe thought god was doing the talking it's citizens set about killing each other in large numbers.

Really? Please explain, I can't think of any large scale killings within Europe that were instigated or even explained/justified by anyone thinking god was talking.
WW1?

Is it a myth that priests on both sides encouraged young men to fight because it was God's will?

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Originally posted by Evangeline:
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Originally posted by rolyn:
The last time Europe thought god was doing the talking it's citizens set about killing each other in large numbers.

Really? Please explain, I can't think of any large scale killings within Europe that were instigated or even explained/justified by anyone thinking god was talking.
I would have thought the 30 Years War - though admittedly that became less religious and more of a Habsburg/Bourbon slugfest as it went on. But it was extremely devastating.
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Originally posted by Evangeline:
quote:
Originally posted by rolyn:
The last time Europe thought god was doing the talking it's citizens set about killing each other in large numbers.

Really? Please explain, I can't think of any large scale killings within Europe that were instigated or even explained/justified by anyone thinking god was talking.
http://www.cathar.info/cathar_wars.htm#crusade

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Protestant_martyrs_of_the_English_Reformation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Catholic_martyrs_of_the_English_Reformation

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AIUI, the Nazi ideology had at least a veneer of Christianity. Dunno if anyone actually thought that God was behind it.

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Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
OK, I have been away for a few days. The company was generally OK, however there was one dinner time conversation that went somewhat awry.

One gentleman was rather reminiscent of Chris from Eggheads (who I am sure is actually very nice). However he came over as very arrogant and grumpy. He was also a West Ham fan (make of that what you will, but so was Alf Garnett).

At dinner, he asked a little about what people thought of the EU referendum. I should have known that he just wanted to tell us what to do, but I actually didn't have a chance to say anything.

Please bear in mind that I was on retreat, so not really in a mood for a fight.

He explained that he had received a prophecy in the mid Nineties. It was very clearly saying that we should not be involved in the EU, because it was a corrupt and evil organisation. There was a lot of other Hal Lindsey crap as well. He explained how this had been confirmed (which was meaningless - post-justification of what he wanted to believe).

He said that we should be out of the EU because their legal system was humanist (I am not sure what he things the UK legal system is based on. It is just as bad). And he was on a mission to convince people that God had told him this, so they should vote to leave.

Given the fact he seemed to think Nigel Farage was rather too centrist, I am sure that he really wanted to stay in before God revealed this to him.

He owns a Christian bookshop, which is to my mind a good reason to buy my books online.

Then another member of the dinner group explained that just before the election, He had a word that "God wanted a Right-Wing government".

I am sure that the fact that this goes against the entire tenor of the Bible was irrelevant, because this was a Prophetic Word. That happened to also confirm with his particular viewpoint.

That wasn't a word from God. That was YOUR OWN DESIRES.

I do believe that God can talk to people, that he can give prophetic words to people. But when you head God confirming your own beliefs and ideas, that is more likely to be your own self.

Really, read the fucking bible before you start to claim what God is saying. He has pretty much said it. The God that you are talking about is a vile, manipulative, obnoxious monster, and I want NOTHING to do with him.

That's not God. It's the other chap. I try never to judge God by the quality of some of the muppets he's attracted.

I always look suitably innocient at this point then ask them:

a) have they tested "this word of knowledge" against Scripture and which Bible verses do they think support it

and

b) have they discussed it with wiser brothers and sisters

All these are things you're supposed to do with Words. Nine times out of ten, they haven't done that. Because those random thoughts that flow through your heads that chime in with your own ideas and prejudices are obviously from God. Obviously!

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Originally posted by Tubbs:
I try never to judge God by the quality of some of the muppets he's attracted.

Another one for the Quotes file.

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The Bible is enough of a ragbag that you can find a text to support nearly anything you contemplate, up to and including murdering Canadians and taking their women.

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The Bible is enough of a ragbag that you can find a text to support nearly anything you contemplate, up to and including murdering Canadians and taking their women.

True, but then you apply the Love God, Love Your Neighbour test and you can't.

If you love God you wouldn't murder anyone or steal their women as that's two commandments you've broken right there. And if you love your neighbour as yourself, you wouldn't murder them or steal their women either.

You have got away with it if it wasn't for that pesky Jesus. No murdering or women stealing for you!

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This policy moves you away from proof-texting, and over to the spirit of Jesus. Which, for all we know, is a big fan of (nutbar philosophy here). The nice thing about texts is that they are right there, in print. And the loosey-goosey quality can be worked in your favor. You can always find a painful and annoyingly apposite text, right from the mouth of Jesus, about how refugees should the take in and hungry people fed.

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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
This policy moves you away from proof-texting, and over to the spirit of Jesus. Which, for all we know, is a big fan of (nutbar philosophy here). The nice thing about texts is that they are right there, in print. And the loosey-goosey quality can be worked in your favor. You can always find a painful and annoyingly apposite text, right from the mouth of Jesus, about how refugees should the take in and hungry people fed.

Exactly. On an unrelated topic but to your point, one very conservative evangelical writer was forced to conclude this:


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"Nuanced biblical attacks on American slavery faced rough going precisely because they were nuanced. This position could not simply be read out of any one biblical text; it could not be lifted directly out of the page. Rather, it needed patient reflection on the entirety of the Scriptures; it required expert knowledge of the historical circumstances of ancient Near Eastern and Roman slave systems… and it demanded that sophisticated interpretive practice replace a commonsensical literal approach to the sacred text." -Mark Noll, The Civil War as a Theological Crisis .


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Originally posted by Tubbs:
I try never to judge God by the quality of some of the muppets he's attracted.

Another one for the Quotes file.
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Originally posted by Tubbs:
That's not God. It's the other chap. I try never to judge God by the quality of some of the muppets he's attracted.

I always look suitably innocient at this point then ask them:

a) have they tested "this word of knowledge" against Scripture and which Bible verses do they think support it

and

b) have they discussed it with wiser brothers and sisters

All these are things you're supposed to do with Words. Nine times out of ten, they haven't done that. Because those random thoughts that flow through your heads that chime in with your own ideas and prejudices are obviously from God. Obviously!

Tubbs

Yes, the problem is that (as others have said) you can find passages to support almost anything. Look at WBC.

Have they tested it? Well yes, and they have interpreted the testing as confirming their original ideas. They test with other people who agree with them (because any others are obviously in opposition to God).

If I had been in a mood for a fight (I was trying hard not to be combative), I would have told them that their God is a vile loathsome being who I want nothing to do with. And seen where they go from there.

As I posted on twitter last week "If you God thinks I am shit, I want nothing to do with your God. My God thinks I'm awesome". TO me that is all it is about. Their God is a waste of space. Why would I be interested in that being, when I know a God who is far more fun.

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Forgive me for repeating a story I've told before, but it seems relevant to this Thread.

Some years ago I was helping on a Christina camp for teenagers. At the precamp meeting we'd discussed various practical issues, and were praying for the week ahead. A lad's name came up, one of the regulars, who was widely seen as a Problem because he was unspiritual (and who I found a lot more palatable than many of the spiritual stars who turned up).

One of the other leaders had a vision of a vulture, but before he could give the interpretation I jumped in: "Thus says the Lord. The vulture is my creature; he may look ugly to you but he is perfectly designed to keep the desert free from infection. Do not look on people with the eyes of prejudice, but with the eyes of my love."

An awkward silence followed.

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