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mr cheesy
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Is it open season on religious leaders to address the UN - or is it just the Holy See that can do that (even though it actually has Observer rather than Full member status)?
Could/can the Dalai Lama, a proposed Muslim Caliph, etc do this? Should they?
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Mudfrog
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Is he there as Bishop of Rome or as the Head of State of the Vatican?
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mr cheesy
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Good question. I assume as Head of State of the Holy See.
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Augustine the Aleut
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Originally posted by mr cheesy:
Is it open season on religious leaders to address the UN - or is it just the Holy See that can do that (even though it actually has Observer rather than Full member status)?
Could/can the Dalai Lama, a proposed Muslim Caliph, etc do this? Should they?
Obviously not, as he's been the only one to do so. In any case, lots of folks have addressed the General Assembly, including senior UN staff, and various Nobel prize winners.
As far as the Dalai Lama is concerned, the likelihood of his appearance is nil, and any suggestion would certainly be vetoed by the People's Republic. As there is no Caliph around so we'll see what happens when one arises (the Ottoman claimant hasn't claimed his throne, let alone its religious role) although I suppose that King Salman could wear his cap as Guardian of the Holy Places.
The Aga Khan also carries a role as a religious authority, but his juridicial status provides much room for discussion (the Aga Khan case of 1866). Although France accords him semi-sovereign status, he travels with a UK passport (and is also a Canadian citizen).
Anglican primates can rest assured that their crowded timetables, all slotted for power-point presentation review and redrafting meeting agendas, will not be put under pressure by repeated invitations to address the General Assembly.
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Forthview
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This is not the first time that a pope has addressed the UN Assembly. Certainly Pope Paul VI
was invited to do so many, many years ago.
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Augustine the Aleut
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Originally posted by Forthview:
This is not the first time that a pope has addressed the UN Assembly. Certainly Pope Paul VI
was invited to do so many, many years ago.
Thank you for the correction-- I should have been clearer in that I was referring to current figures. J2P2 also addressed the Assembly, no?
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Stetson
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Originally posted by Forthview:
This is not the first time that a pope has addressed the UN Assembly. Certainly Pope Paul VI
was invited to do so many, many years ago.
According to a Trivial Pursuit question I remember, he did in fact address the Assembly, in French. Which would not have been that unusual in those days, given that it was the lingua france of diplomacy.
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Hedgehog
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From the Pope's address (edited as indicated by the asterisks to get to the relevant parts):
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Once again, following a tradition by which I feel honored, the Secretary General of the United Nations has invited the Pope to address this distinguished assembly of nations.
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This is the fifth time that a Pope has visited the United Nations. I follow in the footsteps of my predecessors Paul VI, in 1965, John Paul II, in 1979 and 1995, and my most recent predecessor, now Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI, in 2008.
So the Pope is going as an invited guest speaker, not as the "Head of State of the Holy See." As Augustine the Aleut mentioned, lots of different people have been invited to address the UN.
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Hedgehog
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Sorry! I should have provided a link to the full text of his speech. So you don't have to trust that I cut-and-pasted appropriately! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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