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Badger Lady
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Over 700 people have died and 800 are injured following a crush outside Mecca during the Hajj pilgrimage.
My father and some other relatives are in Mecca performing Hajj. After some anxious hours this morning we made contact and, thanks be to God, they are all safe and well.
May all those who have died rest in eternal peace ![[Votive]](graemlins/votive.gif)
Prayers that that the physical and mental scars of those injured may heal
Prayers for relatives all over the world waiting for news.
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Arabella Purity Winterbottom
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Piglet
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for those who were injured, those who died and those who mourn.
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Welease Woderwick
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Amen to that.
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Kelly Alves
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Oh, no.
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lilBuddha
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Japes
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Golden Key
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And may they find a workable way to keep it from happening again. (It's happened before.) Not meant as a criticism.
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Erroneous Monk
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I don't know how to thank God for preserving my youngest uncle and aunt, who are on Hajj, without wondering why He didn't protect all the others. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
May their souls and the souls of all the faithful departed, through the mercy of God, rest in peace.
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Doublethink.
Ship's Foolwise Unperson
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Tukai
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Since being crushed or trampled to death seems to be an "every year" hazard of the Hajj, one hopes that Muslim theology reckons that if you suffer this fate you go directly to paradise.
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Badger Lady
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This is in fact the first major crush since 2006 (and the worst for 25 years). After 2006 measures were taken to improve safety in particular around the jamarrat bridge (site where pilgrims thrice 'stone' the devil to commemorate Abraham resisting the devil when he was ordered by God to sacrifice his son).
It is commonly believed that is you die on Hajj you are in a state of purity and will go to heaven.
I do pray that the Saudis, as the custodians of Mecca, learn from this and do everything they can to keep pilgrims safe.
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Penny S
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I have read somewhere else that some routes had been closed to allow VIPs access.
I thought one of the facets of the Hajj was the elimination of social distinctions.
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Brenda Clough
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Alas, one of the first excuses offered was that black Muslims were responsible: Not Nigerians.
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Kelly Alves
Bunny with an axe
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quote:
Originally posted by Badger Lady:
This is in fact the first major crush since 2006 (and the worst for 25 years). After 2006 measures were taken to improve safety in particular around the jamarrat bridge (site where pilgrims thrice 'stone' the devil to commemorate Abraham resisting the devil when he was ordered by God to sacrifice his son).
It is commonly believed that is you die on Hajj you are in a state of purity and will go to heaven.
I do pray that the Saudis, as the custodians of Mecca, learn from this and do everything they can to keep pilgrims safe.
Something I read suggested that the Saudi government told the caretakers of Mecca to stop blaming the pilgrims for not following directions and start rethinking crowd flow design. Sounds like they are taking the matter seriously.
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I cannot expect people to believe “
Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.
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LeRoc
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I have a dislike for crowds that borders on a phobia. Just thinking about what they have gone through makes me unwell. for them and their families.
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Kelly Alves
Bunny with an axe
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I know how you feel. Hajj sounds like a wonderful event to attend with a hang glider, but I would be having palpitations in the crowd around the Kaaba. What a terrifying way to die.
[ 25. September 2015, 23:46: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]
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I cannot expect people to believe “
Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.
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mousethief
Ship's Thieving Rodent
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Didn't they have a crane failure earlier this year near the Qa'aba that killed some people? Sad doings. Lord have mercy.
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Kelly Alves
Bunny with an axe
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Yes. This is exactly why the Saudi Government is so anxious.
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I cannot expect people to believe “
Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.
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Penny S
Shipmate
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There's software that can sort out crowd movements.
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Rossweisse
High Church Valkyrie
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quote:
Originally posted by Tukai:
Since being crushed or trampled to death seems to be an "every year" hazard of the Hajj, one hopes that Muslim theology reckons that if you suffer this fate you go directly to paradise.
I have seen the dead referred to by Muslims as "the martyrs," so those who love them should have that comfort.
It seems to me that the Saudi government could and should do more to improve conditions so as to avoid making any more of them, though.
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Golden Key
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A Saudi mufti/sheikh has a more fatalistic opinion.
Saudi Mufti: Hajj stampede beyond human control. Top religious leader says authorities not responsible for deadly crush, adding that "fate and destiny are inevitable". (Al Jazeera)
Note to Shipmates who have a connection to the Hajj: Below the article are a couple of pictures that might be disturbing.
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Blessed Gator, pray for us!
--"Oh bat bladders, do you have to bring common sense into this?" (Dragon, "Jane & the Dragon")
--"Oh, Peace Train, save this country!" (Yusuf/Cat Stevens, "Peace Train")
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Doublethink.
Ship's Foolwise Unperson
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This is quite a good article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34361122
It looks as if the Saudis have made a massive effort to make things safer over the years.
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All political thinking for years past has been vitiated in the same way. People can foresee the future only when it coincides with their own wishes, and the most grossly obvious facts can be ignored when they are unwelcome. George Orwell
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Welease Woderwick
Sister Incubus Nightmare
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General Advice
Please note that any discussion of the Hajj Tragedy and it's implications or what possibly should have been done or whatever should be elsewhere, probably Purgatory. AS is the appropriate for prayer and support but not for debate.
Thanks.
WW - AS Host
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I give thanks for unknown blessings already on their way.
Fancy a break in South India?
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