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Martin60
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Thanks to the works of Brian McLaren, not without a struggle over the past six years, I have totally taken on board the concept of the trajectory of revelation in Christ beyond His time and therefore beyond His classical Jewish mores.
I therefore accept full inclusion and no distinction in sexual orientation in marriage.
What about sexual activity outside a committed, blessed, formalized relationship?
Does the trajectory take us there? In treachery it doesn't. Anything else?
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I presume dragging oneself to hell, a hand's breadth at a time is also okay with you?
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lilBuddha
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Seriously, np?
Masturbation = damnation?
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Martin60
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Hell, like heaven, is now. And that activity is not without negative possibilities (addiction, escalation, dangerous enhancement (autoerotic asphyxiation, nitrous oxide), pornographic sexual objectification and exploitation, fetishism ... apparently) and consequences, not the least and most explicit of which is tristesse, dysphoria.
More so, altogether, than sex with a partner, I'd have thought. For Christians.
But no, I wasn't thinking of that.
More (...) casual sex, prostitution, sex before marriage, sex therapy as in the excellent The Sessions, that sort of thing.
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lilBuddha
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Every thing you list is practiced by married people.
If anything, prostitution is more a result of the stigmatization of casual sex.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Seriously, np?
Masturbation = damnation?
It's the #1 sexual activity. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Prostitution? I think it's about lack of money, no other money earning skills, the repetition compulsion, sorrow, and people exploiting others. It's not about damnation either.
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Prostitution? I think it's about lack of money, no other money earning skills, the repetition compulsion, sorrow, and people exploiting others. It's not about damnation either.
Those are reasons people become prostitutes. I was speaking of the customer base, which Martin appears to be equating with casual sex.
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Martin - a question. Why are you asking us this?
You seem to be aware that there are potential downsides. So there are to everything. Any answer is surely going to involve the assessment of potential benefits vs. potential detriments and deciding on that basis.
Or is it? There are surely different ways of looking at this. Perhaps the way we look at things and the way we frame the issues is going to tell you more about yourself, and your desires/fears than the outcome of your examination. We are all masters of finding and retro-fitting reasons to justify doing what we want to do, after all.
And what trajectory?
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
I was speaking of the customer base, which Martin appears to be equating with casual sex.
I have to confess to not knowing what Martin's driving at with this thread. It has though already thrown up an interesting juxtaposition.
Say we compare a couple meet on a night out, end up in bed never to meet again, with another couple who have met purely on a business transaction of sexual exchange. Are we to automatically assume that one is hard pressed for money and the other unable to procure sexual activity in the aforementioned way?
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by rolyn:
quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
I was speaking of the customer base, which Martin appears to be equating with casual sex.
I have to confess to not knowing what Martin's driving at with this thread. It has though already thrown up an interesting juxtaposition.
Say we compare a couple meet on a night out, end up in bed never to meet again, with another couple who have met purely on a business transaction of sexual exchange. Are we to automatically assume that one is hard pressed for money and the other unable to procure sexual activity in the aforementioned way?
No one has said anything about assumption, so I'm not sure what you are on about.
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Originally posted by Martin60:
Does the trajectory take us there? In treachery it doesn't. Anything else?
Martin, given that some of us—perhaps many of us—haven't read much Brian McLaren, perhaps you could explain what you mean about a trajectory. And about "treachery."
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
I presume dragging oneself to hell, a hand's breadth at a time is also okay with you?
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...don't knock masturbation. It's sex with someone I love
In a class at a certain conservative seminary we were taught "there's nothing wrong with masturbation. You just won't meet very many interesting people that way"
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Martin60
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Who's talking about damnation? Except as a metaphor for how we feel in this life.
no prophet's flag is set so... was being droll.
lilBuddha. Aye. Including married Christians. I think autoeroticism lends itself to greater sadness. Especially in marriage. Christian marriage.
I'm placing prostitution and casual sex outside the bounds of conservative Christian approved sex.
Most perceptive Honest Ron Bacardi.
And that's two of you (Hi Nick!) who don't know what I'm on about with trajectory. My unrealised assumption! Sorry.
The trajectory of the law for Christians from the New Testament, the trajectory of Christian morality since the New Testament. I gave the example of the inclusion of LGBTQETC having been easily reached by the trajectory from two thousand years ago.
What else in human sexuality do we need to not just understand, tolerate, but accept, embrace in the other, liberate for our children?
Treachery is when we're in a relationship and behave as if we weren't. Betrayal of trust. Faithlessness.
That can NEVER be right. No trajectory gets us there.
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lilBuddha
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The only objective disadvantage casual sex has over a committed relationship is disease. And that is assuming a lot on the committed relationship.
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Don't know what you mean by "objective" in this context. The casual sex means only a transitory relationship (if that be a fair label for it) and no much for emotional intimacy. It'd be more efficient to masturbate and probably more loving.
Now I'm of the mind that casual sex is generally risky and in many cases destructive to the emotions and the spirit. I wouldn't call that position subjective, nor objective, but reasoned, and formed by many convergent opinions, from multiple societies and cultures.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Now I'm of the mind that casual sex is generally risky and in many cases destructive to the emotions and the spirit. I wouldn't call that position subjective, nor objective, but reasoned, and formed by many convergent opinions, from multiple societies and cultures.
Casual sex is no more risky than on a single-incident basis than relationship sex. Where it is more risky is in number of partners. The more partners one has, the greater risk of disease.
Everything except disease is, or crosses over into, subjective moral territory.
The condemnation of casual sex is part of the "destructive" attribution.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Casual sex is no more risky than on a single-incident basis than relationship sex. Where it is more risky is in number of partners. The more partners one has, the greater risk of disease.
Everything except disease is, or crosses over into, subjective moral territory.
The condemnation of casual sex is part of the "destructive" attribution.
Also the more partners you have, the greater your chance of getting a sociopath or abuser.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Casual sex is no more risky than on a single-incident basis than relationship sex. Where it is more risky is in number of partners. The more partners one has, the greater risk of disease.
Everything except disease is, or crosses over into, subjective moral territory.
The condemnation of casual sex is part of the "destructive" attribution.
Also the more partners you have, the greater your chance of getting a sociopath or abuser.
The promotion of marriage as "special" or "sanctified" can make leaving an abusive relationship more difficult.
Swings and roundabouts on that one.
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All abusive relationships are hard to leave. I would want to see some kind of data on whether the difficulty of leaving an abusive marriage outweighs the greater likelihood of getting involved with an abuser that comes with a greater number of partners. You claim so. That doesn't prove it.
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lilBuddha
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Marriages were hard to leave even after they became easier legally. What changes that is acceptance.
Now, there will be people look for abusive relationships, though subconsciously. I do not see how that changes within or without marriages.
IME, those who stay in abusive relationships are most often doing so because o their previous life experience, not because they randomly wound up in one.
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I'm talking about odds. The psychology of abuse doesn't enter into it.
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lilBuddha
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Of course it does. Even in casual sex, there is attraction and choice. It isn't roulette
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That weakens, rather than strengthens your case. Abusers tend to be more charming, not less, than your average potential lover.
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lilBuddha
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And people who go into long term relationships aren't subject to charm? What, you used a spreadsheet to determine if you would marry your wife?
Now, tell me which two go together:
- Casual sex
- Abusive Relationship
- Long-term Relationship
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Never the fuck mind. You want to go on believing that someone who dates 100 people has the same chance of meeting a sociopath as someone who dates 5, go right ahead. My patience for banging my head against a wall has come to an end.
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lilBuddha
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Casual sex doesn't mean fucking every stranger that walks by.
It means sex outside of a committed relationship.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Do you think casual sex is healthy?
Sex has risks. How you manage those risks is a large factor in how healthy it is from an epidemiology concern.
Emotional health is also a management issue, but is complicated by how one views sex.
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Do you think casual sex is healthy?
Depends on who's having it. In my case, I'd say it's healthier than any marriage could be. I've never suffered as a result of casual sex, but the real relationships ... ouch. That includes a couple of sexless relationships, mind. Others obviously have very different experiences.
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Which is probably why, religious dogma aside, society in general is judgmental of casual sex. Can't bear the thought of someone else having more fun than it.
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Originally posted by rolyn:
Which is probably why, religious dogma aside, society in general is judgmental of casual sex. Can't bear the thought of someone else having more fun than it.
Nah.
As a student and young teacher I had endless opportunities for casual sex. Apart from the first couple of years as a student when I found it fun (due to novelty value) I didn't bother at all.
Give me deep committed relationships any time.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Sex has risks. How you manage those risks is a large factor in how healthy it is from an epidemiology concern.
Emotional health is also a management issue, but is complicated by how one views sex.
If you're male, you should get the HPV vaccine, which is generally pushed for women/girls. Cancer risks 15 or so years after exposure.
On the emotional side, it is not how you "view" sex only, it is how you experience it emotionally. It is certainly possible to seek physical release alone - along the lines of defecation - but this would seem to not be what we would term "good sex". Is it judgemental to consider that emotional experience of another person within sex is better than sex without?
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rolyn
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Maybe some of us are cut out for it and some are not.
I count myself in the 'not' category.
From what little I know of casual sex, gleaned from those who pursue it, is that it has it's own set of rules and if you don't want to risk burnt fingers then don't play.
I see no reason why a succession of casual encounters cannot be as rewarding as sex in a committed relationship. It just strikes me as a fair bit of hassle, but then I'm guessing those who go in for it could easily say the same about being permanently tied to one person.
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Humans are wired for companionship. Most people will gravitate towards relationship.
It isn't casual sex or relationship, but casual sex when not in a relationship. Most often, anyway.
Sex can be done for pleasure with no other motive. Comparing it to defecation shows how deep social conditioning can be.
Yes, there is often an emotional component to sexual encounters, but there is nothing that says this cannot be fleeting. Ever meet someone in a platonic situation and share a connection even though you have never seen them before and never intend to again?
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Sex can be done for pleasure with no other motive. Comparing it to defecation shows how deep social conditioning can be.
Disagree with this analysis. It is a release parallel to defecation. I'm not a Freud pan per se but that was one his insights. It also has a biological-structural basis, consider anal eroticism and sexual activities.
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Yes, there is often an emotional component to sexual encounters, but there is nothing that says this cannot be fleeting. Ever meet someone in a platonic situation and share a connection even though you have never seen them before and never intend to again?
This is arguing by the exceptional. This of course happens, but isn't the common everyday experience. I could accept that human "nest parasitism" (having a father raise a child not his in the human case) probably has some evolutionary basis, though so much of what humans do with children is social and cultural and we are far beyond simply laying an egg in some other bird/species' nest.
I might ask how it is that humans continue to marry? In jurisdictions like Canada where common-law/living together is almost identical in law to marriage, people still marry.
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Sex can be done for pleasure with no other motive. Comparing it to defecation shows how deep social conditioning can be.
Disagree with this analysis. It is a release parallel to defecation. I'm not a Freud pan per se but that was one his insights. It also has a biological-structural basis, consider anal eroticism and sexual activities.
Freud was fucked in a lot of his theories by his own kink.
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
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lilBuddha:
Yes, there is often an emotional component to sexual encounters, but there is nothing that says this cannot be fleeting. Ever meet someone in a platonic situation and share a connection even though you have never seen them before and never intend to again?
This is arguing by the exceptional. This of course happens, but isn't the common everyday experience. [/QB]
It is how humans work. Spend some convivial time with people there will be a connection.
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
I might ask how it is that humans continue to marry? In jurisdictions like Canada where common-law/living together is almost identical in law to marriage, people still marry. [/QB]
Are you suggesting marriage is inborn?
Trends do not change instantly and religion still exerts an influence.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Humans are wired for companionship. Most people will gravitate towards relationship.
It isn't casual sex or relationship, but casual sex when not in a relationship. Most often, anyway.
Sex can be done for pleasure with no other motive. Comparing it to defecation shows how deep social conditioning can be.
Yes, there is often an emotional component to sexual encounters, but there is nothing that says this cannot be fleeting. Ever meet someone in a platonic situation and share a connection even though you have never seen them before and never intend to again?
People leave the social connection/ peer play aspect out of sex all the time, even in committed relationships. Which is dangerous, if you asked me.
Non mammals express kinship and comeraderie in all sort of ways- calls, feeding behavior, grouping. Mammals depend on physical contact-- touch, grooming, tussling, cuddling-- to cement kinship and comeraderie. It is necessary in all healthy relationships, even brief ones. One glance at any study about chimps and bonobos will show transitory affectionate sex happens all the time.
There is a grey area where the need to cuddle transitions into the desire for sex-- we can either be wracked with guilt when that happens or keep it in perspective as a larger expression of mammalian endorphin dependency.
Why the hell shouldn't a brief friendly encounter count as affectionate peer play? It's not how everyone is wired, but who cares?
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( I should say, who cares as long as the people involved are clear on all of the above?)
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
( I should say, who cares as long as the people involved are clear on all of the above?)
Communication is such an important thing in all relationships. Lack of communication is a major, if not the major, source of pain.
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Or labouring under a misapprehension. Like --because a person was married they thought shit wasn't going to happen but then guess what.... it did.
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Er. Don't know how that above post got there, thought i,d deleted it, Ho hum never mind.
Meant to say.... I agree, and indeed we are giving off communication singnals all the time and not just with words, like with the old saying --'actions speak louder than words'. In long term relationships we can sometimes become careless with small actions by taking the other for granted.
If we are to call it a culture of casual encounters/one-night-stands, (where all parties have no current attachment), then it can, in a strange way, strengthen one's faith in human nature. There does appear to be less bad feeling where unattachment is involved. Pressure or tension in a LTR is often present through fear of the attachment ending.
I don't believe it should be an either/or thing. People should be free to choose what is right for themselves where personal relationships are concerned, though some may wish to argue this ought not be the case when children are involved.
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So casual sex is to be glossed over or even encouraged in congregations? In older youth groups? Mature 16 year olds plus? Or one shouldn't defaecate on ones own doorstep?
There are no social, relational, psychological consequences as long as everyone has HPV shots?
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God I hate people sometimes.
Yes, Martin, everyone should fuck everything possible at all times. Viagra and Addyi dispensers on every street; condoms, dental dams and contraceptives air dropped and Japanese hotel-style capsule rooms in every park so no opportunity to stick, lick or swallow is missed.
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Rolyn has a good line - it's not either/or. People go through periods where casual sex suits them, often when young. Then they often calm down a bit. Watch out for the mid-life crisis though, when fucking everything that moves can seem awfully attractive, as the man with the scythe looms up at the window. This happened to me when I was 30, 40, 50, 60, and fucking hell, 70.
Do Christians still condemn casual sex? I suppose some of them do. Envy is a terrible thing (joke).
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And I'm not sure it's anybody's business, but the participants. If none of the parties involved is cognitively afflicted, or under age, or starving, or stoned/drunk out of their mind, or being blackmailed because the villain holds the mortgage, then they are able to give a full and informed consent.
And if they are able to give full consent, then where does anybody else come into it?
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quetzalcoatl
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I thought that Christians are supposed to tell other people how to live? OK, just another joke before bedtime.
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Martin60
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
God I hate people sometimes.
Yes, Martin, everyone should fuck everything possible at all times. Viagra and Addyi dispensers on every street; condoms, dental dams and contraceptives air dropped and Japanese hotel-style capsule rooms in every park so no opportunity to stick, lick or swallow is missed.
I think that's over egging the irony pudding old stick.
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lilBuddha
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I don't think it was any more egregious than your comment.
Of course, you could choose to engage rather than caricaturise...
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Martin60
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After you mate. One may have used irony oneself, so the questions stand.
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SvitlanaV2
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
Do Christians still condemn casual sex?
The trouble is, it's hard to argue that casual sex is something that Jesus would justify (let alone engage in), and even the most liberal Christians generally seem unwilling to make a theological case for it.
Christians who compartmentalise their faith probably find it easier to reconcile that faith with a life that involves casual sexual behaviour. Otherwise, maintaining a diplomatic silence is what the rest of us have to do if we don't want to make a fuss about something that's culturally acceptable. But that's not a theology as such.
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