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Posted by IntellectByProxy (# 3185) on :
 
Why do I wish I were gay?

As a white heterosexal male I am the last demographic left who doesn't have a pressure group.

It's impossible (politically) for me to be the subject of racism, sexism, or sexalism.

Nobody cares (politically) about my views, and nobody defends me (politically). I can't be politically incorrected.

If I were to start a group championing White Heterosexal Male's rights, I would be called a nazi.

Arse.

[ 10. March 2003, 00:36: Message edited by: Erin ]
 

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Posted by Kitten (# 1179) on :
 
I'll bet you really want to be gay so you can have a bus
 

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Posted by Nightlamp (# 266) on :
 
This looks like a dead horse walking, but I will keep it open for now in case something new and interesting is said.

Nightlamp
Hellhost
 

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Posted by Pyx_e (# 57) on :
 
IbP said

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I wish I were gay

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Originally posted by Nightlamp:
This looks like a dead horse walking
Nightlamp
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Originally posted by Pyx_e:
IbP said

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I wish I were gay

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If it is any comfort I thought you were.
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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
As a white heterosexal male I am the last demographic left who doesn't have a pressure group.

It's impossible (politically) for me to be the subject of racism, sexism, or sexalism.

Nobody cares (politically) about my views, and nobody defends me (politically). I can't be politically incorrected.

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Originally posted by Jesuitical Lad:
Discrimination against the mentally subnormal goes on all the time, so I can't really see what you're complaining about.

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:

Incidentally Warrior Tortoise assumed I was gay until she checked my bathroom and found that I did not own any Jean Paul Gaultier shower gel. Apparently thats the defining factor. That and the fact that my wife's stuff is in there too.

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
It's impossible (politically) for me to be the subject of racism, sexism, or sexalism.

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Originally posted by chukovsky:

How do you feel about show tunes?

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Originally posted by chukovsky:
I think show tunes existed before shower gel... however, maybe before there were either, then just washing was enough to prove you were gay?

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Well... either gay or not English.

Maybe you don't want to be gay, you just want to be French... there's not much difference between the two. The French men all kiss each other and carry little handbags... and probably use Jean Paul Wotsisface gel de douche (hey - it even sounds French).

How about it - why not give up trying to be gay and just be French?
 

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Posted by IntellectByProxy (# 3185) on :
 

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Originally posted by anglicanrascal:

How about it - why not give up trying to be gay and just be French?

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:

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Originally posted by chukovsky:

How do you feel about show tunes?

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I find them very inspiring and uplifting, why?

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You have tendancies. You could get in touch with them if you want

How good are you at colour co-ordination without your wife's help? And have you ever expressed an interesting in interior design and the like?

Tubbs
 

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Posted by Nunc Dimittis (# 848) on :
 
ROFLMAO
 

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Posted by strathclydezero (# 180) on :
 

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Originally posted by Nightlamp:
This looks like a dead horse walking, but I will keep it open for now in case something new and interesting is said.

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:

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Originally posted by chukovsky:

How do you feel about show tunes?

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I find them very inspiring and uplifting, why?

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You have tendancies. You could get in touch with them if you want

How good are you at colour co-ordination without your wife's help? And have you ever expressed an interesting in interior design and the like?

Tubbs

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
What does all this mean?

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Umm... you have no life? Or no intellect? Or are missing something else?

Aren't you the guy who admitted to having no dick, or at least a very very small one? Praps you're really a woman, but no one told you?

Viki
 

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Posted by Mrs Tubbs (# 440) on :
 
It means that you have an inner gay man or a highly developed feminine side

Tubbs
 

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Posted by IntellectByProxy (# 3185) on :
 

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Originally posted by sarkycow:
Aren't you the guy who admitted to having no dick, or at least a very very small one? Praps you're really a woman, but no one told you?

Viki

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Yes I am that guy, but I said that more for the purposes of exciting narative than for any real reason. The size of my penis is quite inconsequential to my political viability.

If there were a pressure group campaigning for equal rights for small-penissed people then it might become an issue. But there isn't. Oh woe.
 

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Posted by Dolphy (# 862) on :
 

 

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Posted by IntellectByProxy (# 3185) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mrs Tubbs:
It means that you have an inner gay man or a highly developed feminine side

Tubbs

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Inner gay man?
As in 'Do you have any gay in you? would you like some?' ?

My left side is quite feminine, but it's not highly developed. It's kind of a closet femininity. I always choose paints with my left eye, but pick up the tins with my right hand.
 

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Posted by ThatsMrJuice2U (# 3076) on :
 
Maybe it all has to do with the Barbara Striesand CD's that were "accidentally" discovered in IBP's collection.
 

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Posted by Dolphy (# 862) on :
 
Tangent: My post was in reference to Sarkycow's post. Tangent over.
 

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Posted by Mousethief (# 953) on :
 

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
If there were a pressure group campaigning for equal rights for small-penissed people then it might become an issue. But there isn't. Oh woe.

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You could always start one. Hang around hot rod shows and custom car conventions.

Reader Alexis
 

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Posted by IntellectByProxy (# 3185) on :
 
Look guys, much as I appreciate the constant references to my anatomy (and I do, I really do) I made an off-the-cuff comment to Erin after she equated the size of a guys nob to his driving ability.

From that small seed appears to have grown an entire cult. The cult of the small nob.

Now I don't want everyone to think that every thread I start must eventually come round to talking about my genitalia. This was a politically motivated thread, not a confessional one.

And anyway, my wife reads these things and I don't want to upset her
 

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Posted by bessie rosebride (# 1738) on :
 

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
Sexualism. And I am not illiterate, I travel around all the time.

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Hey, it's a wonderful thing if this is a "coming out" thread...

but I'm quite worried about this statement. What does literacy have to do with travel?
 

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Posted by IntellectByProxy (# 3185) on :
 

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Originally posted by bessie rosebride:

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
Sexualism. And I am not illiterate, I travel around all the time.

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Hey, it's a wonderful thing if this is a "coming out" thread...

but I'm quite worried about this statement. What does literacy have to do with travel?

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
I always choose paints with my left eye, but pick up the tins with my right hand.

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So you're bi! Even better!
 

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Posted by IntellectByProxy (# 3185) on :
 

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Originally posted by ChastMastr:

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
I always choose paints with my left eye, but pick up the tins with my right hand.

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So you're bi! Even better!

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
Look guys, much as I appreciate the constant references to my anatomy (and I do, I really do) [but] I don't want everyone to think that every thread I start must eventually come round to talking about my genitalia.

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
It's very complicated I know. But very very funny in my head.

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I'm so happy for you.. ...pathetic.. I'll be agreeing with this post by Jesuitical Lad, then:

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Discrimination against the mentally subnormal goes on all the time, so I can't really see what you're complaining about.

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
And anyway, my wife reads these things and I don't want to upset her

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:


And anyway, my wife reads these things and I don't want to upset her

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
Sexualism. And I am not illiterate, I travel around all the time.

And again posted by IBP:
Literacy has nothing to do with travel.

I was making a pun based on the word 'Itinerate' which means 'travelling around' and 'Illiterate' which means 'Unable to read'

It was an oxymoron, you see I claimed not to be illiterate siting as evidence my extensive travel. Which showed I had misread 'illiterate' as 'itinerate' and therfore confirmed that I was, in fact, illiterate.

It's very complicated I know. But very very funny in my head.

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Not an oxymoron, but a non-sequitur
 

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Posted by IntellectByProxy (# 3185) on :
 

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Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
And anyway, my wife reads these things and I don't want to upset her

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Are you saying that she doesn't know you are genitally challenged?

[BTW - I got the pun]

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And since, Mr. CatInASafe, you know both me and my wife, you might be on hand to lend a little therapy...

Glad you got the pun. Glad somebody got the pun. Now I know it's not just me whose mentally subnormal. Solidarity Brother.
 

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Posted by Edward Green (# 46) on :
 
I believe the saying is ' do you have a gay bone in your body - would you like one? '.

Anyway as a Lesibian trapped in a Gay Mans body I really can't comment.
 

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Posted by IntellectByProxy (# 3185) on :
 

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Originally posted by Rhisiart:
Not an oxymoron, but a non-sequitur

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A non-sequitur can constitute an oxymoronic point of view.
 

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Posted by Jesuitical Lad (# 2575) on :
 

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Originally posted by Edward Green:
I believe the saying is ' do you have a gay bone in your body - would you like one? '.

Anyway as a Lesibian trapped in a Gay Mans body I really can't comment.

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Originally posted by Edward Green:
I believe the saying is ' do you have a gay bone in your body - would you like one? '.

Anyway as a Lesibian trapped in a Gay Mans body I really can't comment.

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:

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Originally posted by Rhisiart:
Not an oxymoron, but a non-sequitur

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A non-sequitur can constitute an oxymoronic point of view.

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Discrimination against the mentally subnormal goes on all the time, so I can't really see what you're complaining about.

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[Fixed your code even though you don't deserve it ]

[ 21. November 2002, 21:24: Message edited by: sarkycow ]
 

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Posted by IntellectByProxy (# 3185) on :
 

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Originally posted by Anselmina:
<Pedant alert> And 'nob' is spelt with a 'k'. <Alert over>

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Originally posted by Wandering with Hope:
Why would ANYONE want to be discriminated - hated - and - misunderstood?

People have died - been beaten - been shunned by family and friends all in the name of discrimination.

But yet this is what you wish you had -

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
As a white heterosexal male I am the last demographic left who doesn't have a pressure group.
If were to start a group championing White Heterosexal Male's rights, I would be called a nazi.

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
At my university, my department waived tuition fees for women to attract more to engineering. That means that the guys were discriminated against because they were £4500 down on the girls by the end. How is that right?

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[cynical, hate-my-job-although-I'm-not-an-engineer mode] Yeah, but they'll probably have made up more than that measly £4500 after a few years of employment. [/cynical, hate-my-job-although-I'm-not-an-engineer mode]

{learn to use preview post.}

[ 21. November 2002, 18:55: Message edited by: Nightlamp ]
 

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Posted by Beethoven (# 114) on :
 
and yes, preview post would have been my friend if only I'd remembered to use it
 

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Posted by ken (# 2460) on :
 

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
As a white heterosexal male I am the last demographic left who doesn't have a pressure group.

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It's impossible (politically) for me to be the subject of racism, sexism, or sexalism.

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Nobody cares (politically) about my views, and nobody defends me (politically). I can't be politically incorrected.

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If I were to start a group championing White Heterosexal Male's rights, I would be called a nazi.

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Arse.

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Well, actually, now you come to mention it - the real reason us middle-aged, white, straight males are jealous is that we know that EVERRYBODY ELSE GETS OFF MORE.
 

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Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :
 
Admits to being seriously undersized, and wants to be gay. What do you rate his chances at, shipmates?
 

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Posted by bessie rosebride (# 1738) on :
 

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Originally posted by Beethoven:
[cynical, hate-my-job-although-I'm-not-an-engineer mode] Yeah, but they'll probably have made up more than that measly £4500 after a few years of employment. [/cynical, hate-my-job-although-I'm-not-an-engineer mode]

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Amen, Preach It!
 

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Posted by IntellectByProxy (# 3185) on :
 

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Originally posted by Ariel:
Admits to being seriously undersized, and wants to be gay. What do you rate his chances at, shipmates?

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Originally posted by Jesuitical Lad:
Actually, given the higher probability of offspring amongst heterosexuals, I'm beginning to wish IntellectByProxy were gay too.

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Originally posted by Ariel:
Ah, but if you're not gay, you won't have seen very many, will you.

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You're VERY clever
 

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Posted by incurablyGeek (# 3207) on :
 

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
Incidentally Warrior Tortoise assumed I was gay until she checked my bathroom and found that [...] my wife's stuff is in there too.

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NOT a defining factor.
 

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Posted by Nell (# 3380) on :
 
I have often wondered why so many of the teenage boys I teach, choose to adopt ultra conservative (at best) attitudes towards other groups within society. From their conversation many young boys seem to
(i) despise gays and lesbians
(ii)think racist language and jokes are acceptable
(iii)have warped and unpleasant attitudes towards girls and women

I have tended to put this down to a) the strong desire in teenagers to rebel against society and its norms and values b) an attempt to 'shock' me/others c)Ignorance and d)repeating values learnt at home.

This may cover it, but I am inclined to think
part of the problem is also to do with their perception of themselves, and their place in society. Young white boys from low social groups seem to feel disengaged from society, and uncertain about their 'role'. I think they would resent the assumption on this thread that white males have'power' and so don't need any voice. In some sense they may also feel blamed as a group for all societies ills past and present.

I think, could they but express it, many of them, and even many men in our society may feel a little like intellect-by-proxy. Is it fair, or even wise to dismiss these feelings out of hand just because we may not agree ourselves?
 

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Posted by IntellectByProxy (# 3185) on :
 
Thanks Nell,
I know what you mean.
I think the whole thing of young boys despising everything that isn't a young boy is probably a bravado issue as much as anything else.

The question is, why is making fun of anything thats not whiteheterosexalmale accepted as increasing ones bravado?
What is it about society that STILL gives that kind of attitude a forum?
 

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Posted by Nell (# 3380) on :
 
OK, I haven't really got the hang of this have I -My post was a bit too purgatorial. Not very hellish. Sorry. Misjudged tone of thread
Note to self: when in Hell next, jump up and down, shout/scream/rant.
(practicing)

 

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Posted by Merseymike (# 3022) on :
 
I havent got any JPG shower gel.

I must be a hettie!!

Oh, but then I love show tunes, and the Sound of Music, and the Eurovision Song Contest, and Streisand, and I have a cat.

And I live with a bloke and have done for 10 years.

Shucks. I must be gay after all.

PS : Not everyone who's gay has seen loads of dicks either. Rugby and footy players have probably seen more, and of course, they're all macho heterosexual straights, aren't they?
 

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Posted by IntellectByProxy (# 3185) on :
 
Yeah, but who gives a damn. Hopefully the first few posts will keep it alive in hell.

At least people seem to have lost interest in my under carriage.

 

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Posted by IntellectByProxy (# 3185) on :
 
Hey MerseyMike, I was wondering if you'd turn up.
My (gay) friend and I came up with a great term for that forgotten demograohic, the heterosexuals...

He now refers to them as 'Wainthrops'. As in 'Hetty Wainthrop Investigates'.

Which will mean shag all to anyone who is not British.
 

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Posted by coffee jim (# 3510) on :
 
Yes, this society does value victimhood to a disturbing extent. And all males are discriminated against in modern UK society when it comes to working with children - 2 females alone with a child is fine, 2 males definitely ain't. And no, you can't be 'proud to be white', although my mate Mohammed can declare himself proud to be Pakistani.And my friend Shea can, as a gay man, engage in horseplay with women (e.g. whipping their arses with wet towels) which would get a straight man condemned as a pervert. But fuck it, you've just got to live with it. If being a victim is important (which, Intellect by Proxy, I imagine it isn't really, just an excuse for a fun thread) then maybe society's failure to recognise you as a victim makes you the biggest victim of all.
P.S. I hate that spelling 'nob'. It does have a k.
What do people think of 'cum' to mean spunk? Annoying, or useful? Hey, maybe we could have a tangent on irritating words for genitals and their emissions?
 

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Posted by IntellectByProxy (# 3185) on :
 

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Originally posted by coffee jim:
Hey, maybe we could have a tangent on irritating words for genitals and their emissions?

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A lady friend of mine calls her vagina a 'spangle-patch'

Apparently this can be a verb or a noun:-
'Hey guys, are you up for a bit of spangle-patching tonight?'

It makes me shudder.
 

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Posted by Nell (# 3380) on :
 
Intellect by proxy - I think we posted at the same time.
Ok - my answer to your question
Many teenagers seem to lack self confidence and a sense of self worth.

Some girls get depression, anorexia, or pregnant
Some boys get bravado, machismo, agression, bigotry??(I don't really understand boys and don't pretend to,and I was rather hoping that a man would shed some light on this phenomenon for me!)

However, whilst often teenagers are able to develop into confident and secure adults, many young adult white males retain feelings of resentment towards other groups in society, whether these feelings are openly expressed or not.
Why? I think it is because if you are a young white male you may often feel villainised by the media, education, history, and society as a whole.
It is not a healthy situation and we must address this issue.

(now I'm going to get hellish)
What really annoys me is when we,as the educated elite, are too busy seeing the 'trees' of supposed politically incorrect comments, and utterly miss out on the 'wood' ie the reasons why feelings are held, and the implications if we ignore or deride them.
 

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Posted by coffee jim (# 3510) on :
 
So, Nell - teenage girls get lovely victim disorders, and teenage boys get nasty aggressor disorders, yeah? Sugar and spice and all things nice... Anorexia, bulimia and self-harm are on the rise in boys as well (though not yet pregnancy).
 

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Posted by IntellectByProxy (# 3185) on :
 
Amen sister(brother)
And just about everyone on this thread has therefore proven themselves to be the educated elite. Well done to you all.

I do think that your point on Villanisation is valid to some extent, but I think that theres a much deeper subconcious thing going on too.

The reason, in my opinion, why boys get bigotted even if they are not, is that the biggest bullies at school are the ones with the worst upbringing.
Worst upbringing suggests to me parents who exhibit bigotry, machismo and bravado (possibly to cover up their short comings)
And if the biggest bullies are doing it, other boys will do it to avoid being bullied. And so the wheel of life keeps turning.

Why mostly boys?

Dont know. Is it? I knew some really nasty girls at school.
 

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Posted by Merseymike (# 3022) on :
 
Beatrix Campbell has written some good stuff on this - the problem is the way masculinity is constructed and the fact that many young men just don't have the ready made roles within industrial society which once existed
 

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Posted by Nell (# 3380) on :
 
(adoptes Hattie Jacques voice and raised eyebrows)
Boys, Boys!

Surely you know that the only acceptable way which which to refer to genatalia of either the male or female variety is the term 'bits'

As in 'good gracious, what remarkably small bits you seem to have'


 

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Posted by ChastMastr (# 716) on :
 

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Originally posted by Ariel:
Admits to being seriously undersized, and wants to be gay. What do you rate his chances at, shipmates?

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You'd be surprised. I could easily imagine an AOL chatroom called tiny genitalia m4m. God knows they have everything else on there.

David
you could even call it a teeny weenie, or nano-banano, or ickle pickle, or...
 

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Posted by Nell (# 3380) on :
 
coffee jim,
Interesting point about victimhood. Being ignored and having your views derided may make some white males feel they are victimised in not being recognised as victims???!! Some of course, are regarded as victims because of their membership of a social underclass. But I get the sense that you are not convinced of this as a valid perspective. Actually I think it is not victimhood, but resentment for the percieved blaming of 'all' white men. (For problems from patriarchy, to colonialism, to crime and criminality.)

As to your points on problems affecting boys/girls, I am well aware that I was making generalised remarks. I did not intend to reinforce stereotyped views of what teenage boys/girls have to cope with. Furthermore, I take the point that some teenage girls are incredibly bitchy and can be violent bullies. But I still maintain that it is rarer for a teenage girl to hold and express manifestly extreme viewpoints towards other groups in society, than it is for a boy to express these views.
 

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Posted by chukovsky (# 116) on :
 

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I'm gonna be a great dad. I have scalextric.

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You know, I think they have cream for that now, but you may want to go to that special clinic at the hospital - I think it's men on Tuesdays.
 

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Posted by JimT (# 142) on :
 
Great news, Intellect! Move to the United States, become a citizen, and enroll in graduate work other than Business Administration!

I am an upper middle class, 47 year old, heterosexual male who was heavily recruited by graduate programs at the elite universities in the US specifically for my demographics! Two university administrators told me that it is virtually impossible for top universities to find white male US citizens for their graduate programs other than MBAs (Master of Business Administration). "Probably for the first time in your life, your demographics are working for you, not against you," one of them said, smiling.

Sadly, you must however deal with the economic stigma of "student." It amuses and bemuses me that I have a terrible time with utilities, movers, doctors, grocers, bankers, and a whole host of people who react with horror when I say that I am a "student" with no income and no current loan or rent payment history (I own my house and car). I offer money in escrow, payment in advance, whatever they like; all to no avail. Cash is the worst: "The government will think I'm laundering money for a drug dealer!" I may reinstate my corporation and put myself on sabattical with an income just to get around the hassles.

That, or start flipping burgers in the Student Union and run up a couple thousand dollars on an 18.3% credit card.
 

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Posted by coffee jim (# 3510) on :
 
Okay, this is not very hellish....
Nell, your point is fair enough, I just start itching when people seem to be pushing a 'teenage boys are Something to Worry About, teenage girls are Achievers on an Uphill Struggle' line. I've heard a few interesting (and non-exclusive) explanations for the identity crisis among young males (the first applying specifically to white heterosexual ones):
- straight white young males have nothing to 'kick against'.They're not told (explicitly at least) that their gender, sexuality or ethnicity makes them inferior, so they can't gain a sense of achievement and community by 'proving them wrong'.
- there are so many male identities for sale these days. Some time ago 'you either fitted in or you didn't' (question to older Ship members - is this true?), but now you can be a bad boy, family man, boffin, hedonist, ascetic etc. None of these will be accepted by everyone, and the diversity of possible roles can result in confusion and depression.
- ornamentalism. I've read about this in extracts from Susan Faludi'd book Stiffed (no, I haven't read it). The argument seems to be that modern society is increasingly 'ornamental', in that how you appear is far more important than what you do. So it's not enough to be a competent steelworker if you can't dress well and hold a conversation. Women and gay men cottoned onto this trend earlier (indeed were forced to), while straight men got there late, and now it's screwing a lot of them up. If anyone has read the book and thinks my interpretation is a load of balls, let me know.
And I don't know for sure that anorexia, bulimia and self-harm are increasing among boys. The former and latter probably are, but I don't know about bulimia.
 

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Posted by St. Sebastian (# 312) on :
 
Moo, you know ChastMastr doesn't do THAT, so IBP needn't watch his backside. Given the criteria for gayness (shower gells and all that)I'm quite worried I'm going to get a suprise inspection from Gay Central. I've not gels of any kind, no colognes, my apt looks like wild animals live there and I'm not a very snazzy dresser (though I would be if I had money and someone else to do the ironing). Also, I've missed my Quota of seducing young boys into my deviant lifestyle for the second quarter in a row! I just know they're going to take away my pink card and probably my toaster oven as well!
 

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Posted by Nell (# 3380) on :
 
Thanks for your informative post jim - I think that all three of the theories you mention ring somewhat true and get at the heart of the issues. In addition I would include a lack of strong role models. In my experience, many young boys don't learn what it is to be a 'man' (whatever that means) due to lack of men in their lives. I can honestly say that I believe many of these boys (and girls) suffer because they really need a father and they don't have one around. Maybe some absent fathers are absent due to lack of belief that they are needed? (Vicious circle develops)

An interesting question is, given that there does seem to be a crisis of confidence and identity among young white males, what, if anything should we do about it?
Should we direct attention and resources in this direction?

I'd be interested to hear what folk think.
 

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Posted by ChrisT (# 62) on :
 
Bloody stereotypes. The problem has been caused by a complete lack of decent role models for the last 30 years (can I be really Hellish and say since Womens Lib kicked in, and in some arenas went too far?). And even those young white heterosexual males - like me - who are beginning to find out about where they fit in this twisted world, find out too late that it doesn't matter what they do say or think, that the stereotype is too strong to break out from.

Apparently I am a selfish, shallow, money-driven, shag-anyone-and-toss-them-aside kind of guy, because I am white, heterosexual and in my twenties. For everyones sakes, world, open your eyes!

And what to do about it? Dunno really, but it involves a hell of a lot of unlearning.

*expecting to get flamed for the Womens Lib comment*

In fact about that comment it is compatible with my posts in the Romance thread. My point is not to push women down in any way (I worship one of them, more fool me) but to encourage young men to stand up and be who they should be. Let's get some confidence in ourselves back, boys - and not that arrogant proud confidence, but the inner assurance that motivates us to be better people and ake a positive difference in the world.
 

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Posted by ChastMastr (# 716) on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by St. Sebastian:
I just know they're going to take away my pink card and probably my toaster oven as well!

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quote:

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Originally posted by ChrisT:
The problem has been caused by a complete lack of decent role models for the last 30 years

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quote:

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(can I be really Hellish and say since Womens Lib kicked in, and in some arenas went too far?).

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quote:

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Originally posted by ChastMastr:
You'd be surprised. I could easily imagine an AOL chatroom called tiny genitalia m4m. God knows they have everything else on there.

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quote:

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
Look guys, much as I appreciate the constant references to my anatomy (and I do, I really do) I made an off-the-cuff comment to Erin after she equated the size of a guys nob to his driving ability.

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You like constant references to your genitalia, do you.

Well, take it from an expert, this is conclusive proof that you are gay.

All the other stuff is window dressing -show tunes, deodorant, interior decorating.

Talking about SIZE - definite proof of queenery!
 

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Posted by Erin (# 2) on :
 
Okay, wait just a minute. I didn't equate the size of anyone's wee-wee to their ability to drive. I simply recognized that men hold firm to the belief that if you let another man cut you off in traffic, it is proof that his is bigger.
 

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Posted by Eanswyth (# 3363) on :
 
I get a couple of e-mail adverts each week offering to enlarge my penis size. Being that I have no penis at all, this is making me feel really inadequate.
 

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Posted by sarkycow (# 1012) on :
 
Eanswyth, perhaps if you took the adverts up on their offers, you might not feel so inadequate?

Viki
 

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Posted by Eanswyth (# 3363) on :
 
Do you know how many pills I would have to take to turn my girlie bits into a respectable penis? With that many pills in me, I would rattle like a pair of maracas. Now, other than mariachi fans, how many women would find that attractive? So now I have a penis, a rattly tummy, and the derisive laughter of women. No thank you.
 

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Posted by Moo (# 107) on :
 

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Originally posted by St. Sebastian:
Moo, you know ChastMastr doesn't do THAT, so IBP needn't watch his backside.

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quote:

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You poor little thing.

Everybody's so mean to you.

Moo

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Posted by Degs (# 2824) on :
 
Of course IBP. if you want reasurance you could always give this a try.
 

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Posted by daisymay (# 1480) on :
 
Well now,

Your score is 118
LEVEL 6 -- MOSTLY FEMININE
People are starting to place bets that you are gay. You do a lot of things and have a lot of behaviors that are the stereotypical gay feminine traits. You enjoy exploring your feminine side. Most people just assume you are gay, and go on with it, which is just fine with you.


 

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Posted by Stoo (# 254) on :
 
God... i'm a level five:

quote:

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Your Mom already knows. Smart girls in the office already know that you like to sleep with men. Your straight acting traits are few and far between as your feminine traits start to surface. You tend to be a real sensitive guy that gets along great with the female posse at work.

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(this'll get this thread closed for sure)

Stoo (straight - honest!)
 

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Posted by daisymay (# 1480) on :
 
Never mind, Stoo, I'm gayer than you.

But about my masculine side?

And what level does the rating go to? 10?
 

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Posted by JimT (# 142) on :
 
I am totally pissed off! I tap dance, sing, act, talk effusively about my feelings, and encourage others to do the same. My mother is gay. I have lots of gay friends. Many people think I'm gay. What did I score? Level 1!

I dutifully checked off "sing," "dance," and the fact that many friends label me "sensitive." Did I get any credit? No! So I drink beer and watch (American) football. So what. Those check boxes need to be weighted. I don't sing "Happy Birthday" off key, I sing a capella French Renaissance music. Jesus don't these people know anything? I am very gay-acting, very. And they gave me level one. Idiots!

This site does not understand that peoples' "gaydar" looks for one, secret smoking gun that "never fails." Trip that trigger, cross that threshold and you are gay, gay, gay. People don't look for a preponderance of evidence.
 

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Posted by The Coot (# 220) on :
 
Please be gentle with IntellectByProxy. I think his posts are hilarious.

btw, if anyone wants a yahoo group (with pics) on blokes with small willies, I have a link.
 

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Posted by Canucklehead (# 1595) on :
 
YEAH BABY! Score 13, level 1. Can anybody beat that without cheating?
 

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Posted by kenwritez (# 3238) on :
 
Whew! I came out as a Level 3: Mostly Masculine! Good thing bald guys like me never have to worry about hair gels, and I'm glad I resisted those Barbra Streisand CDs at the swap meet last month!
 

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Posted by Laudate Dominum (# 3104) on :
 
Well, I'm level 9, score 194, "The Ultimate Feminine" which is good because I am indeed very feminine, what with being a girl and all....
 

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Posted by Scot (# 2095) on :
 

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Originally posted by Erin:
I simply recognized that men hold firm to the belief that if you let another man cut you off in traffic, it is proof that his is bigger.

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Not at all. If some guy tries to cut me off, I let him. Then I pass him while making obscene gestures out the window with both hands.

[Both hands out the window?!? What does he steer the car with?]


 

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Posted by babybear (# 34) on :
 
Ah, I came out as level 5.

On the Quiz for women I scored at level 4.

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LEVEL 4-- FEMINIST

Gloria Steinem is more than a hero to you-she is a Goddess! You threw away your DD36 bras years ago along with all the other symbols of female cultural slavery and oppression. You spend your weekends rescuing cats from the pound and you attend regular meetings of "WOMYN: Life Without Sperm"!

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So who on earth is Gloria Steinem, and how do you make babies without sperm?

bb
 

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Posted by Degs (# 2824) on :
 
Stoo, I scored Level 5!!!!!

You should worry......unless you'd like to meet up for a drink sometime without all those other troublesome Manchester shipmates?
 

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Posted by IntellectByProxy (# 3185) on :
 
Sorry Guys,

Your score is 40

LEVEL 2 -- VERY STRAIGHT ACTING

Hardly anyone would be able to pick you as a homo boy. All your actions are carefully crafted in a way that they never appear to be considered too fem. Only a fellow level 2 -- buddy might suspect you with the proper gaydar and it's just the way you like it.

Sorry if you're all really disappointed
 

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Posted by IntellectByProxy (# 3185) on :
 
Although I HAVE just given a female colleague advice. I may be sliding.
 

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Posted by Mrs Tubbs (# 440) on :
 
Well I'm a LEVEL 1-- VERY FEMME Looks like my consciousness could do with a raise

Tubbs

PS IBP, how are you at dancing?
 

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Posted by IntellectByProxy (# 3185) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mrs Tubbs:
PS IBP, how are you at dancing?

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quote:

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Originally posted by babybear:
So who on earth is Gloria Steinem, and how do you make babies without sperm?

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quote:

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Originally posted by Ariel:
You spend your weekends rescuing cats from the pound ..."

I don't think so.

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Why, don't you like cats?
 

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Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :
 
If that is a serious inquiry, may I refer you to the thread on the Dead Cats forum, I mean Dead Horses.
 

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Posted by daisymay (# 1480) on :
 
On BB's women's one I got:

Your score is 11

LEVEL 4-- FEMINIST

Gloria Steinem is more than a hero to you-she is a Goddess! You threw away your DD36 bras years ago along with all the other symbols of female cultural slavery and oppression. You spend your weekends rescuing cats from the pound and you attend regular meetings of "WOMYN: Life Without Sperm"!

Don't think so somehow - it's very USA based and I just guessed some questions.

maybe that's my masculine side emerging.
 

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Posted by simon 2 (# 1524) on :
 
I was listening to the soothing sounds of slayer this morning when Guilt of Being White came around on the track list, I thought I'd post a link to the lyrics here, as they will contribute nothing to the thread.

http://www.darklyrics.com/lyrics/slayer/undisputedattitude.html#6
 

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Posted by ken (# 2460) on :
 
I got to be a Tomboy
 

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Posted by OgtheDim (# 3200) on :
 

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Originally posted by Nell:
I have often wondered why so many of the teenage boys I teach, choose to adopt ultra conservative (at best) attitudes towards other groups within society. From their conversation many young boys seem to
(i) despise gays and lesbians

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Methinks many of them only despise lesbians publically.
Secretly...well....they probably want to...ahem...watch.

(the whole idea of being defined by the act of sex makes me too)
 

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Posted by IntellectByProxy (# 3185) on :
 
We have always been defined by the act of sex.
Genders are defined by sex, which means that inequality is defined and sustained by sex.

Why is sex so important to this society?
 

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Posted by Scot (# 2095) on :
 

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
Why is sex so important to this society?

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Since Mrs. IBP is still unaware of your diminutive dick, I must assume that you haven't tried sex yet. Have a go and then you'll understand why it is important.
 

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Posted by IntellectByProxy (# 3185) on :
 
Mrs. ByProxy seems to be most happy by the size of my dick, my jiggling technique, and the many other aspects of my romantic inclinations in the bedroom (and elsewhere) which are too numerous, exciting, and patented to go into here.
 

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Posted by IntellectByProxy (# 3185) on :
 
Incidentally, Scot, the picture in your profile scares the bejesus out of me.

Just thought I'd mention that.
 

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Posted by Scot (# 2095) on :
 

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
... which are too numerous, exciting, and patented to go into here.

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quote:

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
Incidentally Warrior Tortoise assumed I was gay until she checked my bathroom and found that [...] my wife's stuff is in there too.
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NOT a defining factor.

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quote:

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Originally posted by CorgiGreta:
If I were a guy, he could turn me gay.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Scot:

quote:

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Originally posted by CorgiGreta:
If I were a guy, he could turn me gay.

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Thanks CorgiGreta. That is by far the strangest compliment I've ever gotten!

As for any questions of a more <ahem> personal nature, I'll have to refer everyone to the missus.

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Really, ScoT! Oh, come now; I think you're mature enough to handle a simple question or two from some of our more...ah...enquiring Shipmates, no? (wink, wink; nudge, nudge)
 

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Posted by Thumbprint (# 3056) on :
 
quote:

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Originally posted by CorgiGreta:
If I were a guy, he could turn me gay.


Thanks CorgiGreta. That is by far the strangest compliment I've ever gotten!

As for any questions of a more <ahem> personal nature, I'll have to refer everyone to the missus.


Really, ScoT! Oh, come now; I think you're mature enough to handle a simple question or two from some of our more...ah...enquiring Shipmates, no? (wink, wink; nudge, nudge)

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This man knows where his bread is buttered (sorry Ken daaahling! )He's wisely deferring questions about his personal attributes to the ultimate authority!

T.

[Time to go study the FAQ on UBB code and put in some practice in the Styx?]

[ 25. November 2002, 15:18: Message edited by: frin ]
 

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Posted by Thumbprint (# 3056) on :
 
This man knows where his bread is buttered (sorry Ken daaahling ) He's wisely deferring questions about his personal attributes to the ultimate authority

T.

(reads better without all the previous quotes from others - patience please, I'm still figuring out how to post )
 

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Posted by sarkycow (# 1012) on :
 
[Hostly note]

Hi thumbprint; welcome to the Ship, and to Hell in particular. If you want some practice with quoting, then pop over to the Practice thread in the Styx. Check your PM's for a quick explanation from me about how to quote etc too (At the top of your page should be two buttons - New Topic and Post A Poll. Below them is a link 'My Profile'. Click on that to access your PMs )

Viki, hellhost
 

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Posted by chukovsky (# 116) on :
 

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Your score is 138

LEVEL 7 -- VERY FEMININE

It's kinda assumed 'Oh, yeah he's gay'. Your consistent behavior leads anyone you come in contact with to think that you're more than likely a fun loving homo boy. You're the life of the party and your hands are moving and talking as much as your mouth. You clothes are so perfect that sometimes they look fake.

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quote:

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LEVEL 2-- SOMEWHAT FEMME

You embrace all sorts of womanly things but like to make a statement by not shaving your legs during winter! Once in a while you even let your armpit hair grow! Your idea of a good time is shoe shopping (even though you know that you have too many pairs) but you've also been known to change the oil in your car.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Thumbprint:
This man knows where his bread is buttered (sorry Ken daaahling ) He's wisely deferring questions about his personal attributes to the ultimate authority

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Is that 'Thumbprint' as in 'so much under the thumb he's got a thumbprint on his head', Scot?
 

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Posted by Scot (# 2095) on :
 
Say what you like, IBP. At least I know firsthand why sex is a big deal.
 

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Posted by Mousethief (# 953) on :
 
I must be blind (three blind mice...) but I scanned the thread and couldn't find the link to the gayness test website. Can somebody re-post it so I can confirm (or deny) my sexuality?

Thanks,
Reader Alexis
 

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Posted by Degs (# 2824) on :
 
Here you go Mousethief, try here
 

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Posted by Thumbprint (# 3056) on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:

quote:

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Originally posted by Thumbprint:
This man knows where his bread is buttered (sorry Ken daaahling ) He's wisely deferring questions about his personal attributes to the ultimate authority

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Is that 'Thumbprint' as in 'so much under the thumb he's got a thumbprint on his head', Scot?

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You must be joking right?

You've obviously never READ any posts from Scot if you think he can be easily manipulated!
 

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Posted by IntellectByProxy (# 3185) on :
 

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Originally posted by Scot:
Say what you like, IBP. At least I know firsthand why sex is a big deal.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Thumbprint:
Is that 'Thumbprint' as in 'so much under the thumb he's got a thumbprint on his head', Scot?

You must be joking right?
You've obviously never READ any posts from Scot if you think he can be easily manipulated!

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Ah, but by answering on his behalf you appear to have been hoisted by your own petard.

I can reccommend some great creams to sort out that nasty red spot on his forhead you know, just so the neighbours don't know...
 

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Posted by TonyK (# 35) on :
 
Well I suppose I'm glad:-
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Your score is 17

LEVEL 1 -- EXTREMELY STRAIGHT ACTING

No one would expect you as being gay because your actions never show even a hint of femininity. You carry yourself in a macho, masculine manner at all times. You're hung up on 'guy things' and if you dance at a club your feet and hands barely move. Your idea of a good time is probably watching WCW wrestling.

No to the last - and I only slightly blurred one answer - honest!
 

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Posted by ChastMastr (# 716) on :
 

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Originally posted by TonyK:
Well I suppose I'm glad:-
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Your score is 17

LEVEL 1 -- EXTREMELY STRAIGHT ACTING

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And is therefore in high demand among those guys who are into "straight acting" chaps.

(dangles toaster enticingly in the direction of the OP's poster)
 

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Posted by golden key (# 1468) on :
 

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Originally posted by ChastMastr:


(dangles toaster enticingly in the direction of the OP's poster)

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Ah, is that the current recruitment reward?

(Thinking of an episode of "Ellen".)
 

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Posted by Mousethief (# 953) on :
 
Score: 68
Level: 4
Somewhat straight acting.

Reader Alexis
 

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Posted by Scot (# 2095) on :
 

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
I can reccommend some great creams to sort out that nasty red spot on his forhead you know, just so the neighbours don't know...

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quote:

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Originally posted by Scot:
You are so right Karl!

I got the shit beaten out of me in gradeschool because I was a skinny white nerd with Coke-bottle glasses.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Karl - Liberal Backslider:
And - what a surprise - if you'd read Sophs' thread on her friend at school, you'd know I have a lot of concern about bullying as well.

Marvellous isn't it. People are hospitalised, even murdered for their sexuality. Black people suffer considerably higher levels of unemployment. But we have an equal whinge because someone asks why all our subcontractors are WASPS? In the words of your sig., Scot, Spare me.

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quote:

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My point was that everyone has problems. People get murdered for all sorts of reasons. Guess what - those reasons are generally all bad.

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quote:

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Originally posted by MR PINK:
I'll tell you the best reason for being Gay. Getting rippred off for your "Pink Pound" in any number of Bars & Clubs for a pint of so called acholic beverage. Since coming out I have accepted that you're definetly paying for the company you keep (& the god awful Jukeboxs in said establishments).

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quote:

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:

The police in the UK have a quota of black people they must have on each force. Which is fine if the local demographic has a similar proportion, but in Cumbria (which has pretty close to no black people) the police force actually had to bus black police in from manchester to fill their quota.

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quote:

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
Well, I must admit to being a bit naughty and repeating something somebody told me without first checking it out.
I am surprised you say it is illegal under british law though, as many other forms of 'positive' discrimination are ok.

I mentioned ages ago that my university engineering department waived tuition fees for women to attract more to engineering. I think that's very wrong.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Rhisiart:
All forms of positive discrimination are illegal under English law: however, some forms of positive action (such as encouraging women or ethnic minorities into professions where they are under-represented) are allowed.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Rhisiart:
All forms of positive discrimination are illegal under English law: however, some forms of positive action (such as encouraging women or ethnic minorities into professions where they are under-represented) are allowed. Before repeating Daily Mail-type assertions on 'political correctness gone mad', may I suggest you start with this site to check your facts - or is a government organisation too 'politically correct' for you?

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quote:

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Originally posted by Scot:

quote:

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Originally posted by Rhisiart:
All forms of positive discrimination are illegal under English law: however, some forms of positive action (such as encouraging women or ethnic minorities into professions where they are under-represented) are allowed.

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Argument by redefinition of terms is intellectually weak and morally questionable. I would have much more respect for the proponents of ideas like this if they would simply admit that they are in favor of some sorts of discrimination.

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Muslims remain behind blacks, homosexuals and Jews in the numbers of reported hate crimes. There were 2,899 incidents against blacks in 2001, about the same as the year before, and just over 1,000 against Jews, down slightly from the year before. Almost 1,400 incidents involved crimes against homosexuals, and whites were targeted in 891 cases, the FBI said.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Scot:

quote:

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Originally posted by Rhisiart:
All forms of positive discrimination are illegal under English law: however, some forms of positive action (such as encouraging women or ethnic minorities into professions where they are under-represented) are allowed.

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Argument by redefinition of terms is intellectually weak and morally questionable. I would have much more respect for the proponents of ideas like this if they would simply admit that they are in favor of some sorts of discrimination.

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quote:

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Originally posted by IBP:
And don't accuse me of 'Daily-mail type assertions', you don't piss around with words like that. Call me a dickhead, but don't use 'daily-mail' against me, it's so cheapening.

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Please don't assume that I am against positive action, I am not, but it is difficult to find a philosophical standpoint in which you disagree with discrimination, and yet agree with positive 'action' of the type shown by my university. This is a philosophical argument, not a real one.

Positive action almost always disadvantages one group, and that is not a good thing (but it may be necessary)

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quote:

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
I think I am about an 80 hetty, that is I don't want to have sex with a guy, but the idea doesn't bother me, and I think some men are very good looking.

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quote:

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Originally posted by golden key:
Ah, is that the current recruitment reward?

(Thinking of an episode of "Ellen".)

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quote:

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Originally posted by ChastMastr:
You will also, of course, need a copy of the Gay Agenda, should you decide to Join Us.

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Who told them about my work routine?
 

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Posted by Merseymike (# 3022) on :
 
Why do some people try and minimise the known discrimination faced by black and gay people by placing all sorts of red herrings into the picture?

Homophobia and racism exists, and trying to dismiss it by talking about 'political correctness' is always something I am suspicious of
 

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Posted by Elizabeth of Tenth Street (# 3555) on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Merseymike:
Why do some people try and minimise the known discrimination faced by black and gay people by placing all sorts of red herrings into the picture?

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quote:

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Originally posted by Rhisiart:
If it does disadvantage another group - were there places denied to men because of the bursary scheme offered to women? If so, it may have been discrimination. If, however, these were extra places which were funded in order to improve women's participation, then the men did not lose out.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Merseymike:
Why do some people try and minimise the known discrimination faced by black and gay people by placing all sorts of red herrings into the picture?

Homophobia and racism exists, and trying to dismiss it by talking about 'political correctness' is always something I am suspicious of

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quote:

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Originally posted by chukovsky:
Most adults don't get beaten to a pulp for holding hands with their significant other in public. Has this ever happened to a straight man?

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quote:

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
....If I were racist I would hate black people. I do not hate black people.

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quote:

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
If I were politically correct I would call a black person (according to my do-it-yourself inclusive language pamphlet I had to study for a student job at university) a 'coloured person' which almost every black person I know finds offensive and patronising.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Karl - Liberal Backslider:

It's not that you (and me) get perks. It's that we don't get particular types of shit.

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I'm sounding like Erin.)

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Oh, and you're not even beginning to sound like Erin. You have to have a point, first. Or a clue.
 

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Posted by The Wanderer (# 182) on :
 
[Tangent] The impression I get from films, TV and this thread is that US schools are far more violent than than UK establishments. From my limited perspective I don't think getting beaten up is a common hazard in the UK - it happens, but I don't think it's common - whereas I get the picture that it's a daily occurence across the Atlantic. Have I got the picture wrong about over there, or am I hopelessly naive about over here? [/Tangent]
 

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Posted by Erin (# 2) on :
 
Karl, you say the sweetest things.

The Wanderer, here are some statistics about violence in American schools. It looks like the average is about 12~15% of students who report ANY sort of victimization (not necessarily assault and battery).
 

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Posted by Karl - Liberal Backslider (# 76) on :
 
Wanderer - probably both. It was a daily possibility for me. I am a little suspicious of statistics on the grounds that this sort of thing goes unreported. I doubt there's some "school violence" gene with a higher frequency in the US. You're probably less likely to find a UK school kid with a gun, but that's down to ownership laws; a seperate issue altogether.
 

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Posted by simon 2 (# 1524) on :
 
I too got smack downs at school for a long time, till I swapped schools and decided I was going to be one of the cool kids and was from then on.

My brother experienced postitive discrimination when apllying for university in the UK. He applied to a good engineering dept and was given a high acceptence offer, while a girl we knew was given a really low acceptance offer from the same dept. Now this might not be out of the ordinary, if it was not for the fact that my brother is a very talented individual and the girl involved was not. I have a slight insight into the method used for making offers at unis and would say where there is a lack of female applicants it is very possible that girls are given prefferential treatment.

There is also prefferential treatment for students from state schools (which is a good thing), the reason being (I speak for the dept I work in only) is that if a student can achieve straight A grades at a 'bog standard comp' then chances are they are brighter than somebody who was hot housed at Eton or Harrow. BTW such prefferential treatment does not seem to have had much effect on our intake
 

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Posted by IntellectByProxy (# 3185) on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by tomb:

quote:

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If I were politically correct I would call a black person (according to my do-it-yourself inclusive language pamphlet I had to study for a student job at university) a 'coloured person' which almost every black person I know finds offensive and patronising.

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Well that's the biggest pile of horseshit I've read in a long while. If you were really being "politically correct," presumably you would have enough intelligence to apprise yourself of a person's--or group's--preferred appelation, then use it. Thinking that "coloured person" is somehow less offensive because of some twisted assumptions you have made--or, dear God, read in a booklet--about what constitutes "political correctness" is just plain stupid.

It seems to me that the first step to becoming political correct is "getting a clue."

But the real test to card-carrying true-believer political correctness, IBP, is when you become convinced that somebody or some group different from you actually has something to teach you. And then you set out to discover and actually celebrate what that might be because you know that your life will be enriched thereby.

That's political fucking correctness.

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quote:

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
Incidentally, I read in a copy of 'The Sun' I picked up on the train this morning (no, honestly, I really DID pick it up on the train) that the governments 'diversity and inclusion' watchdog has banned the use of the word 'homosexuality' as it is offensive to people who are, well, homosexual.

Now gay people officially have to be referred to as 'people who manifest attractions to their own genital group' or something equally fatuous.

Now I find that offensive (but then, I'm not gay so can't really comment)

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quote:

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
Incidentally, I read in a copy of 'The Sun' I picked up on the train this morning (no, honestly, I really DID pick it up on the train) that the governments 'diversity and inclusion' watchdog has banned the use of the word 'homosexuality' as it is offensive to people who are, well, homosexual.

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Originally posted by Gill H:
Otpotts?

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Originally posted by Degs:
If the government are so concerned about not causing offence perhaps they'd like to bin Section 28!!

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I must admit to being very ignorant of this , can you explain what Section 28 covers, and why it is objectionable please...?
 

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Posted by MR PINK (# 2979) on :
 
SEction 28 was bought into being because the then government was worried that too much emphasis was being placed on the promotion of Homosexuality in schools ect and this was a bad thing as it wasted Local auuthority money on doing so. The fact that that the government was Conservative and they had just suffered an electoral backlash in the recent conucil elections doesn't really come into it.

What it means is that Teachers/Social Workers?Youth Workers ect can't tell you about resources such as the local gay drop in or that it's ok to Gay or that it's a perfectly valid life choice as by doing so it'll corrupt "family values" (whatever they may be)

Funnily this tagged onto the Criminal Justice bill as the govt wanted to get this dreadful mish mash of legistration into law asap and with scant regard as to its consquences (more Gay bashing, less responsible, sex education the rise of HIV (due to the fact you Local authorities can't actually fund local gay health projects) & they say igorance is bliss.
 

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Posted by Degs (# 2824) on :
 

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
I must admit to being very ignorant of this , can you explain what Section 28 covers, and why it is objectionable please...?

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Originally posted by MR PINK:
I'd like to think that when section 28 is repealled (with the emphasis on when) we'll be seeing classes dedicate to the apprecation of Steps & How to make the Souffle rise.

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
Do you have to like steps to be gay?

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Most definitely not!!

As for wanting to know the best method for getting up I don't think that is a uniquely gay issue.
 

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Posted by IntellectByProxy (# 3185) on :
 

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Originally posted by Degs:

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
Do you have to like steps to be gay?

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Most definitely not!!

As for wanting to know the best method for getting up I don't think that is a uniquely gay issue.

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Is that a personal attack, or a corporate one?
 

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Posted by Mousethief (# 953) on :
 
In the Flintstones' theme song we are promised that "we'll have a gay old time." Is this TV show banned under Section 28?

PS I'm a step(father) -- does that make me gay?

Reader Alexis
 

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Posted by tomb (# 174) on :
 

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originally posted by the well-named "Intelligent by Proxy"
...You obviously don't read very well, or had not bothered to take the time to do so, and you insult my intelligence in a way which almost (but not entirely) makes me fail to have much respect for your post.

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
I must admit to being very ignorant of this , can you explain what Section 28 covers, and why it is objectionable please...?

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Good grief, I know what Section 28 is, and I'm an American!

Glad you owned up to your ignorance, but my word ...
 

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Posted by Degs (# 2824) on :
 

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:

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Originally posted by Degs:

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
Do you have to like steps to be gay?

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Most definitely not!!

As for wanting to know the best method for getting up I don't think that is a uniquely gay issue.

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Is that a personal attack, or a corporate one?

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It wasn't an attack at all1 Hence the

Good grief!!
 

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Posted by IntellectByProxy (# 3185) on :
 

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Originally posted by tomb:
The problem is that you don't write very well. Generally, people who engage in writing ironically aren't simultaneously afflicted with terminal earnestness.

And, dear me, do I dare say it? Oh, why not! I don't much care whether you "respect" me or not.

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Originally posted by Degs:
As for wanting to know the best method for getting up I don't think that is a uniquely gay issue.

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Is that a personal attack, or a corporate one?

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It wasn't an attack at all1 Hence the

Good grief!!

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Good grief, I was harking back to the sub-plot to my threads in which people always seem to be discussing my sexual prowess and penis size (for some reason ) I was being sarcastic
 

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Posted by Degs (# 2824) on :
 
Oh Lord! More smiley confusion!!!
 

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Posted by daisymay (# 1480) on :
 
28 never hindered us giving information or teaching about homosexuality - but we didn't have step classes or souffl`e (how do you get that ` to hover over the e ? ) competitions.

And the girls tended to fall romantically in "love" with the gay men teachers.
 

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Posted by chukovsky (# 116) on :
 

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but we didn't have step classes or souffl`e (how do you get that ` to hover over the e ? ) competitions.

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Originally posted by daisymay:
28 never hindered us giving information or teaching about homosexuality - but we didn't have step classes or souffl`e (how do you get that ` to hover over the e ? ) competitions.

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Originally posted by The Former Mr PInk:
(are Abba songs regarded as Showtunes thesedays?)

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Originally posted by The Former Mr PInk:
Someone told me the otherday I couldn't possibly be Gay as I had no desire to see Mama Mia (are Abba songs regarded as Showtunes thesedays?) and spent my saturday evenings either playing or dancing to records by black americans.

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Is your signature deliberately misspelled ?
 

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Posted by Merseymike (# 3022) on :
 
Next you'll be telling me that you don't like The Sound of Music, and own a Play Station.


 

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Posted by IntellectByProxy (# 3185) on :
 

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Originally posted by Merseymike:
Next you'll be telling me that you don't like The Sound of Music, and own a Play Station.

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Originally posted by Merseymike:
Next you'll be telling me that you don't like The Sound of Music, and own a Play Station.

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I have never seen The Sound Of Music, and I aspire to a Playstation. What can this mean?

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Originally posted by Merseymike:
Next you'll be telling me that you don't like The Sound of Music, and own a Play Station.

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I have never seen The Sound Of Music,

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Where have you been?

There is no escape.

[Damn right there's no escape. Go practise code and learn how to get it right.]

[ 04. December 2002, 12:49: Message edited by: sarkycow ]
 

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Posted by Merseymike (# 3022) on :
 
Intellect : have no fears. You're not gay. Gay men know every line of the Sound of Music down to the last wimple, and we would never, never , even consider buying a play Station - the ultimate hettie boys toy


 

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Posted by Nightlamp (# 266) on :
 
Hettie is that the opposite to homo?
 

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Posted by St. Sebastian (# 312) on :
 
Mersey, when did we stop calling them Breeders? When you say "Hettie" I think of old film stars. Clearly I've missed a newsletter or two from Gay Central. And I loved my Playstation 'til my ex got rid of it so I would "put attention to ME!" (meaning, of course, him). But then, I'm an indifferent dresser and loathe the gym so clearly my gay gene is not fully functional.
 

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Posted by tomb (# 174) on :
 
In all the time I have been coming to the Ship of Fools, this has got to be the most weird-ass thread I have ever encountered.

From the initial post to all the pseudo-purgatorial Section whatever-number speculation, we now descend to Abba.

And show tunes.

Any straight guy with even modest pretentions to sensitvity is eventually confronted with the myth that gay men are the arbiters of taste, popular culture, and "cool."

Then the cognitative dissonance sets in.

Really now, what male, regardless of the ambiguity of his sexuality, is gonna allow himself to be seduced by another guy during a romantic interlude spiced up by pink zinfandel and Julie Andrews singing "I could have danced all night"?

And if they had any doubts, my God, listening to "Dancing Queen" would be enough to send you to the doctor to get testosterone injections until you had hair growing out of the back of your eyeballs.

I propose a new pogrom against gay people. It won't be based on their Unnatural Sexual Practices, but upon the fact that they have Horrible Taste.
 

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Posted by The Former Mr PInk (# 2979) on :
 

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Originally posted by Merseymike:
Gay men know every line of the Sound of Music down to the last wimple,

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Originally posted by tomb:
I propose a new pogrom against gay people. It won't be based on their Unnatural Sexual Practices, but upon the fact that they have Horrible Taste.

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Originally posted by tomb:
Really now, what male, regardless of the ambiguity of his sexuality, is gonna allow himself to be seduced by another guy during a romantic interlude spiced up by pink zinfandel and Julie Andrews singing "I could have danced all night"?

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Originally posted by Merseymike:
Gay men know every line of the Sound of Music down to the last wimple.

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A very good friend and fellow shipmate and I have taken this a stage further!

It is possible to sing the 'Gloria in excelsis' in Latin to the tune of 'Eidelweiss'!

I'm glad I'm not straight!
 

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Posted by Pyx_e (# 57) on :
 
I'm glad your not straight too.

P
 

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I'm glad I'm not straight!

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Originally posted by Degs:
A very good friend and fellow shipmate and I have taken this a stage further!

It is possible to sing the 'Gloria in excelsis' in Latin to the tune of 'Eidelweiss'!

I'm glad I'm not straight!

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Originally posted by tomb:
And if they had any doubts, my God, listening to "Dancing Queen" would be enough to send you to the doctor to get testosterone injections until you had hair growing out of the back of your eyeballs.

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Fortunately some of us have better taste than that. There's always the Village People.

David
actually likes Abba but would also like hair to grow out of the back of his eyeballs
 

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Posted by tomb (# 174) on :
 

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Originally posted by tomb:
Really now, what male, regardless of the ambiguity of his sexuality, is gonna allow himself to be seduced by another guy during a romantic interlude spiced up by pink zinfandel and Julie Andrews singing "I could have danced all night"?

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Only one old enough to have seen her in the original London stage production of My Fair Lady, from which she was bounced when the film was made. "I could have danced all night" isn't in TSOM. Trust me - I know every word of both musicals.
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IntelligentByProxy dribbled:
And I didn't say I didn't respect you; I said I didn't respect your post because of your flagrant mis-reading of mine and your consequent drivel.

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IBP then salaciously inquired:
Exactly how many gay people have you eaten, Tomb? And is it a representative sample (so to speak)?
In your experience do black gay people taste different to white gay people?

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Did they even have Zinfandel in those days?

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IBP then salaciously inquired:
Exactly how many gay people have you eaten, Tomb? And is it a representative sample (so to speak)?
In your experience do black gay people taste different to white gay people?

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In my experience, everybody, regardless of their sexual preference or race, tastes like chicken.

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Eat shit and die, IBP.

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Originally ranted by IntellectByProxy:
Why? Does shit taste like chicken too?

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Come on Tomb we need to know all about your unhealthful sexual practices. You are among friends.

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Originally posted by sarkycow in a fit of extreme illiteracy -
[Unhealthful? So not only do you have a small todger, but you also can't code, or speak English properly?]

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Originally posted by RooK:
Please say that you were temporarily delusional because of an unfortunate combination of crack cocaine and psychotropic mushrooms,

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Originally posted by RooK:

and don't actually consider that to be any sort of worthy comeback.

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One would think that the logical separation between culinary and sexual practices could be automatically assumed unless otherwise specified.

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Originally posted by Pyx_e:
I'm glad your not straight too.

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Thank you for what I assume is an affirmation!
 

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Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :
 

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Originally posted by RooK:
Please say that you were temporarily delusional because of an unfortunate combination of crack cocaine and psychotropic mushrooms,

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No, double cappuchino with sugar.

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No, I was reposting to the lowest common denominator.

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I never assume anything. Coprophiliacs are a wierd bunch.

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No, I was reposting to the lowest common denominator.

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Please don't do that. Someone might misunderstand the practice, and try to use your post as a denominator, thence causing this thread to approach infinity.

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
Coprophiliacs are a weird bunch.

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NOT! ON! THE! LIST!!!

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(...I'm a sadist.)

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Posted by Genie (# 3282) on :
 

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
Coprophiliacs are a weird bunch.

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NOT! ON! THE! LIST!!!

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Being a lover of obscure words, I just looked it up.

I have finally found a use for that smiley!


YUCK! The practises of fallen humanity are often bizarre, but some are just plain revolting.
 

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Posted by coffee jim (# 3510) on :
 
Chastmastr,
What 'list'?
 

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Originally posted by coffee jim:
Chastmastr,
What 'list'?

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"Being a lover of obscure words, I just looked it up."

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CM's List? Oh, you don't know what a treat you're in for, do you, coffee jim?

[hoping CM answers here, because it would bug sarky]

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If I get bugged in Hell Ruth, I shall toast you. that oughta lighten my mood somewhat. And you did say that admins will do anything to help hosts cope

Viki
 

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Posted by Sine Nomine (# 3631) on :
 
....but one hopes not to have to use "Coprophiliac" very often.

(although that does remind me of a story about a guy in New Orleans with a glass coffee table who....never mind.)
 

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Posted by da_musicman (# 1018) on :
 
Is this list one full of names for bizarre Sex practices?
 

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Posted by St. Sebastian (# 312) on :
 
I read that as "Corporphilliac" and thought it might refer to someone who could only have sex at the whim of huge multinational corporations.

Why did someone make a list of bizarre sex practices? Why? Why, oh Lord? My mind is scarred enough by some of the things I've stumbled across on the internet. I can't take much more.
 

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Posted by tomb (# 174) on :
 
The last time I ran into that word or condition, the Vet prescribed pills that she said would discourage the dog from taking an, er, unhealthy interest in the cat's litter box.

I guess the pills were supposed to work like the antibuse they give alcoholics to make booze taste nasty.

They didn't. The dog just threw up afterward.

So much for a tidy universe where medication fixes everything.




[replaced a pronoun w/ a substantive for clarity]

[ 13. December 2002, 02:33: Message edited by: tomb ]
 

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Socrates said that one should always assume an acquaintance is of a higher intellectual class than oneself until they prove otherwise.

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Socrates said that one should always assume an acquaintance is of a higher intellectual class than oneself until they prove otherwise.

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So, you're taking the interpersonal advice of someone who was killed for being a mouthy jerk? Clever you.

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I'd like to suggest that, however clear it can sometimes seem, people's intelligence is not directly tied to their posting on an internet bulletin board. Of course, it is the posts that we must interact with here - but to assume anything beyond the posts themselves --might-- not be wise. The possibility that you really are an engineer, clearly the highest class of intellect in the mundane world, is plain evidence for my case.

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Is the list that thing 'The Deviant's Dictionary', perchance? Or something of Chast's own devising (if it's written in verse that would be a bonus)?

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
I take the interpersonal advice of one of the greatest recognised thinkers of any age. Whether you agree with him or not, if you regard his advice as being invalid I suggest that this lodges you with the barbarian illiterati who condemned him. Clever you.

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The persona I ascribe to you is based entirely on your postings (which, by the way, are full of wit and insight)

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'Engineer' comfortably encompasses people from washing-machine maintenance guys to stealth aircraft designers, and you don't know which end of the scale I am, so be careful about making assumptions. I know everyone's got to have a hobby, but keep it in check.

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The recognised correct English construction is

'it is the posts with which we must interact here'

Just thought I'd mention it.

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What 'list'?

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The possibility that you really are an engineer, clearly the highest class of intellect in the mundane world, is plain evidence for my case.

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Which common trait speaks most highly of this esteemed profession, I wonder? The exquisite fashion sense, the finely honed social skills, or the ability to look past the minor details of any situation and see the big picture?

Perhaps the most impressive thing about engineers is the fact that they are able to write compelling prose without needing to ever consult Strunk and White or the Chicago Manual of Style.

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The recognised correct English construction is

'it is the posts with which we must interact here'

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Since this is a "rule" with which I am unfamiliar, is it possible that it is a more traditional form not conventionally obeyed in North America?

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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
Socrates said that one should always assume an acquaintance is of a higher intellectual class than oneself until they prove otherwise.

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So, you're taking the interpersonal advice of someone who was killed for being a mouthy jerk?

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This might be your only good shot at me so far, but I think it's accidental. I'm guessing that it's possible you haven't clued in that I'm an engineer, and so was waving my own ego about back there.

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