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Posted by Ian Climacus (# 944) on :
 
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The online editor of conservative publication Quadrant has said it would have been preferable for the Manchester bomb to be exploded in the ABC’s Q&A studios on Monday night, blowing up host Tony Jones and the panellists.

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"Life isn’t fair and death less so. If there had been a shred of justice that blast would have detonated in an Ultimo TV studio. Unlike those young girls in Manchester, their lives snuffed out before they could begin, none of the panel’s likely casualties would have represented the slightest reduction in humanity’s intelligence, decency, empathy or honesty."

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Classy. Real classy. Using an horrific tragedy to try and further your views.
 
Posted by mr cheesy (# 3330) on :
 
Allison Pearson, Telegraph columnist tweeted:

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We need a State of Emergency as France has. We need internment of thousands of terror suspects now to protect our children. #Manchester
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"We had to pull nails out of children's faces." Don't bother your little heads about it. Keep calm and carry on... #manchesterattack
Presumably she's trying to get a show on LBC after Hopkins is fired.

US journalist David Leavitt got the prize for the stupidest, most callous tweet by saying something I'm not going to repeat here. Prick.

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But even leaving aside all these tossers who rake up the usual bollocks in these kinds of occasions, we've got a very serious problem of journalists doorstepping and abusing victims.

One parent tweeted about how his facebook feed was filled with friend requests from journalists, how a couple had found his mobile number and one had even pushed a hand-written note through his letterbox. And he didn't even know at that stage if his child was alive or dead.

It isn't just the gutter press, it is everyone. The BBC, Sky and the "quality" newspapers have to fill airtime and pages, so they're desperate to find people to talk to even whilst they're in shock.

Most people with an atom of sense can see that this is not good for people. Most people with humanity can see that there is no news story which is worth someone's mental health. Most people have already had enough of hearing and seeing this shit.

Surely to fucking goodness. Surely it is time that journalist refused these pointless tasks, surely it is time that they woke up to the idea that "protecting sources" includes protecting them from the public gaze when they're in the midst of a crisis.
 
Posted by Erroneous Monk (# 10858) on :
 
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Originally posted by mr cheesy:
Allison Pearson, Telegraph columnist tweeted:

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We need a State of Emergency as France has. We need internment of thousands of terror suspects now to protect our children. #Manchester
and

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"We had to pull nails out of children's faces." Don't bother your little heads about it. Keep calm and carry on... #manchesterattack

To quote, entirely out of context, the title of her crappy book, I don't know how she does it.
 
Posted by Martin60 (# 368) on :
 
Do just what the deranged losers want, yeah sure. Until we achieve universal social justice where deranged losers can't arise, we need to LEARN from this, that the cost is too high. Worst case we're now losing people at the rate of order of magnitude (OOM) a hundred a year and that has GOT to be politically worth another billion on very British, softly-softly counter-terror. Every year. Freedom COSTS.

In Europe we're losing the same OOM a year - Nice, Berlin, Stockholm, London - mainly for the want of water filled bollards. A billion for the whole of Europe would plug that gap.

[ 24. May 2017, 11:00: Message edited by: Martin60 ]
 
Posted by Gee D (# 13815) on :
 
We read Quadrant for years. Rarely would we agree with the political opinions ( and some of the literary ones as well) but the articles were well argued and we would respect that. Not any more; this is beyond the pale.
 
Posted by Brenda Clough (# 18061) on :
 
I suggest that, if you cancel your subscription or whatever, you tell them you're doing it and why. This is an area where silently bearing your disgust is not effective. Pipe up, point out their error, and then leave.
 
Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :
 
You’re right, Ms Pearson, France is exactly like that. In President Le Pen’s brave new France, we’re interning and deporting terror suspects all over the place.

Oh wait…
 
Posted by Eutychus (# 3081) on :
 
True, but I'm not enamoured by Macron's proposed extension of the state of emergency through to November or by talk of a proposed new "security to deal with the terrorist threat" Act (link in French).

I was hoping he might revoke the state of emergency after the general elections.
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
I was thinking how effective internment without trial was in Northern Ireland. It probably put a decade on the "troubles" and was a major recruiting tool in itself.
 
Posted by quetzalcoatl (# 16740) on :
 
Yes, imagine interning 3000 jihadists somewhere in the UK. It would become a magnet for every nutter in the world, and the UK would become a magnet for terrorist attacks.

But I wonder if journalists like this are not being serious, but just wanting attention, as with Hopkins. It's me-me-me really, look at me being outrageous.
 
Posted by Dark Knight (# 9415) on :
 
Unfortunately, Franklin's despicable piece (it's not only wrong, it's dreadfully written - more adjectives than a Greek epic) achieved what I presume was its end - to build the notoriety of the Quadrant, and to become well known. Now, it is leading the news (including on Aunty), instead of occupying its rightful place in the reading list of the odd far right fruitbat.
 
Posted by Alan Cresswell (# 31) on :
 
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
Yes, imagine interning 3000 jihadists somewhere in the UK.

Except we wouldn't. Because there aren't 3000 jihadists in the UK to intern. It would be interning 3000 muslims based on some form of profiling. If they did the profiling very well that 3000 might include 3 actually jihadists. Though by the time they get let out there will be more than 3 jihadists, and their friends and family who have seen innocent people locked up without trial will be much more sympathetic to the jihadists.
 
Posted by Gee D (# 13815) on :
 
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
I suggest that, if you cancel your subscription or whatever, you tell them you're doing it and why. This is an area where silently bearing your disgust is not effective. Pipe up, point out their error, and then leave.

You're someone's big sister, aren't you? You're not mine.
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
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Originally posted by Gee D:
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
I suggest that, if you cancel your subscription or whatever, you tell them you're doing it and why. This is an area where silently bearing your disgust is not effective. Pipe up, point out their error, and then leave.

You're someone's big sister, aren't you? You're not mine.
If you are going to cancel your subscription on the basis of principals, it is less effective if they do not know why.
 
Posted by Leorning Cniht (# 17564) on :
 
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
Yes, imagine interning 3000 jihadists somewhere in the UK.

Except we wouldn't. Because there aren't 3000 jihadists in the UK to intern.
Probably not. By my count, in the last decade seven people have committed terrorist acts with an Islamist motivation, and a couple of dozen or so additional Islamists have been arrested / deported / convicted for planning terror acts.

That's 30 people. It seems unlikely that that's as little as 1% of the jihadists out there. I could believe 10% - so if someone were to claim that the UK had something on the scale of 300 jihadists, I'd be prepared to accept it, but I don't think I'd believe a bigger number.
 
Posted by Alan Cresswell (# 31) on :
 
Recently the BBC reported 850 Britons who had travelled to Iraq and Syria to fight for ISIS. About half of whom have returned. Are those returnees jihadists, or ex-jihadists who have come to see ISIS as wrong? I'd be willing to push the upper limit of the number of jihadists in the UK to 1000. It all depends on how you define "jihadist".
 
Posted by Leorning Cniht (# 17564) on :
 
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
It all depends on how you define "jihadist".

True. And there's a difference between going to Syria to shoot at Assad's soldiers and going to Manchester to blow up children. But you've persuaded me that I should increase my upper limit somewhat.
 
Posted by simontoad (# 18096) on :
 
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Originally posted by Dark Knight:
Unfortunately, Franklin's despicable piece (it's not only wrong, it's dreadfully written - more adjectives than a Greek epic) achieved what I presume was its end - to build the notoriety of the Quadrant, and to become well known. Now, it is leading the news (including on Aunty), instead of occupying its rightful place in the reading list of the odd far right fruitbat.

Quadrant was never that, even if it might be going that way on its politics pages. It is a well-respected journal and has been around for many years. It publishes literary criticism and poetry, among other things, but has always been known for its conservative stance. The Poet Les Murray edits its literary section. Many many well-respected mainstream Australians have contributed to Quadrant over the years.
 


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