Ship of Fools: Canon Glyn Webster

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Posted by Vaticanchic (# 13869) on :

Downing St today announced the new appointment to the See of Beverley: Canon Glyn Webster of York Minster.

At 61 he's getting on, isn't he? (Many of us ordained in our middle 20s had the usual hassle from older folk about being too young, but hooray that swings both ways.) His wisdom in the role will be most welcome, especially his experience in "keeping up with friends & holidaying as often as possible in Italy"!

We wish him well. I'd be interested to know views and opinions on the appointment and prospects for the future.

Posted by Thurible (# 3206) on :

First thoughts?

Old [sic]
Mainstream
Trained at Cranmer

Thurible

Posted by Angloid (# 159) on :

I don't know anything about him (though hints given on the cathedral website as well as by Vaticanchic suggest a convivial personality), but it's interesting that as Acting Dean of York he will be succeeded by the Minster's first woman dean.

Posted by Vaticanchic (# 13869) on :

Yes, clearly a traditionalist, yet probably more mainstream than expected. I don't know the chap, but I hope someone will come on here with a bit of personal insight/news.

He's a bit older, isn't he.

I wonder who was the oldest bishop ever to be ordained into office? Ironic he'll be following a suffragan with "antediluvian" episcopal orders.

I wonder how the CABAL who appoints these type of fellas swung Glyn into the picture?!

Posted by Mamacita (# 3659) on :

Nothing about liturgy here, so it's off to Purgatory. Hang on to your birettas.

Mamacita, Eccles Host

Posted by sebby (# 15147) on :

Hes does appear to be 61 - but that shouldn't matter. One of the most well loved and dynamic vicars arrived here at 61 - and stayed till he was 94. He had the longest period of his ordained life after 60.

There have also been a number of deacons and priests ordained in their 60s recently in England.

Pope John XXIII of Vatican II fame, was 77 on his election.

The liberally minded Pope Leo XIII (elected 1878) was pope in his 90s.

I suspect the age thing will become irrelevant with the advent of anti-ageist legislation, increasing longevity (61 is the new 51), a fairer and more scientific understanding of the process of aging, the church's gradual understanding that we need leaders of various ages.

Posted by Alogon (# 5513) on :

>"keeping up with friends & holidaying as often as possible in Italy"!

Like Canon Stanhope in Barchester Towers? That's not the happiest image, but I suppose it's better than the Proudie couple.

[ 29. August 2012, 23:04: Message edited by: Alogon ]

Posted by Egeria (# 4517) on :

If he can do the job well, his age is as irrelevant as the color of his hair.

Posted by AngloCatholicDude (# 16476) on :

Bless Canon Glyn Webster and I am much over joyed with his appointment. He is slightly old which is quite good in a sense as he won't have a long term in office.

He was trained a Cranmer Hall which is slightly alarming but saying that we've had traditionalists clergy come from Wycliffe Hall, Westcott House and Cuddesdon and they've turn't out fine.

He has worn a Double Breasted Cassock on the numerous occasions I've seen him, it may be purely that he works inside a Cathedral and feels comfortable in that.

He is not a member of SSC, is he a member of Forward in Faith? It will be interesting to see (+)Glyn Beverley in a Zucchetto and Mitre

PLEASE ALSO PRAY FOR +Whitby, +Blackburn and the long awaited +Fulham which is the next announcement due in the coming weeks.

Posted by Ahleal V (# 8404) on :

quote:
Originally posted by AngloCatholicDude:
...we've had traditionalists clergy come from Wycliffe Hall, Westcott House and Cuddesdon and they've turn't out fine.

The last time I bumped into a group of traditionalist clergy at Mass (at least one of them was SSC) I did a double-take when they said they'd all trained at Westcott House, so it's probably more common than we think. Though probably less so, these days!

And I heard the story of one guy (circa 2008) who trained at Wycliffe, but ended up going to Pusey House...

x

AV

[ 30. August 2012, 14:52: Message edited by: Ahleal V ]

Posted by Vaticanchic (# 13869) on :

quote:
Originally posted by AngloCatholicDude:
PLEASE ALSO PRAY FOR +Whitby, +Blackburn and the long awaited +Fulham which is the next announcement due in the coming weeks.

Any ideas who's in the mix for this lot? Fulham would be a London priest, I'm guessing, or at least one who's spent some time there.

Beverley's always been a bit of a gamekeeper's job, I suppose. Is Glyn known around the region?

Posted by lowlands_boy (# 12497) on :

quote:
Originally posted by AngloCatholicDude:

<snip>

He has worn a Double Breasted Cassock on the numerous occasions I've seen him, it may be purely that he works inside a Cathedral and feels comfortable in that.

<snip>

Coming from a thoroughly low church background, I find observations of this sort fascinating. Is there some dictionary somewhere on the ship or elsewhere that describes exactly what wearing a double breasted cassock (insert other ecclesial garb here) is supposed to signify about someone?

Posted by Anselmina (# 3032) on :

To me 61 sounds like a great age for a bishop. Hopefully, lots of good solid parish experience behind him; young enough to be relatively healthy, old enough to have good experience of life and people. I know loads of people in their early sixties who are just in their prime for all kinds of active work and ministry.

I don't know if any of this applies to Canon Webster. But age shouldn't be a bar to bishophood.

Posted by Vaticanchic (# 13869) on :

quote:
Originally posted by lowlands_boy:

quote:
Originally posted by AngloCatholicDude:

<snip>

He has worn a Double Breasted Cassock on the numerous occasions I've seen him, it may be purely that he works inside a Cathedral and feels comfortable in that.

<snip>
Coming from a thoroughly low church background, I find observations of this sort fascinating. Is there some dictionary somewhere on the ship or elsewhere that describes exactly what wearing a double breasted cassock (insert other ecclesial garb here) is supposed to signify about someone?

AC clergy use Roman-cut cassocks (single-breasted) without a second thought. As the PEVs are usually, though not necessarily, AC - then this might be remarkable.

Posted by Angloid (# 159) on :

It's not so much the cassock he wears, as the fact that his ministerial experience seems entirely MOTR (or cathedral, which is more or less the same thing.) Interesting health-care background.

It seems that he is very much part of the mainstream which is surely good news. If the anti-OoW integrity is to have any integrity (IYSWIM) it needs to show that it is comfortable with ordinary Anglicanism as well as the exotic fringe.

Posted by Earwig (# 12057) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Vaticanchic:
Beverley's always been a bit of a gamekeeper's job, I suppose. Is Glyn known around the region?

Not sure what you mean by a gamekeeper's job, but Glyn is a real Yorkie. He's been an active figure in the Diocese for all his years in ministry, and I hope he continues to be - Beverley is also a suffragan in the Diocese of York. He was until recently our Diocesan chair of the House of Clergy, and is Prolocutor of the Convocation of York, so a lot of clergy in the North will know him.

He seems to me as very much part of the mainstream CofE, and someone as much at home in an evangelical as will as an Anglo-Catholic setting.

He's very pastorally inclined, well liked by many people, and has a lovely sense of humour. I wish him every success in the role.

[ 31. August 2012, 11:37: Message edited by: Earwig ]

Posted by leo (# 1458) on :

quote:
Originally posted by lowlands_boy:

quote:
Originally posted by AngloCatholicDude:

<snip>

He has worn a Double Breasted Cassock on the numerous occasions I've seen him, it may be purely that he works inside a Cathedral and feels comfortable in that.

<snip>
Coming from a thoroughly low church background, I find observations of this sort fascinating. Is there some dictionary somewhere on the ship or elsewhere that describes exactly what wearing a double breasted cassock (insert other ecclesial garb here) is supposed to signify about someone?

For me, it would signify that my paunch has grown too big to be accommodated by single-breasted cassock!

Posted by pete173 (# 4622) on :

Glyn is a great appointment and should give some comfort to Northern Trad Caths that they're not being neglected.

Fulham is on the way.

Posted by Stephen (# 40) on :

You mean they've promoted you? [Biased]

'Going up' in the world? [Big Grin]

Posted by +Chrism (# 17032) on :

quote:
Originally posted by pete173:
Glyn is a great appointment and should give some comfort to Northern Trad Caths that they're not being neglected.

Fulham is on the way.

I totally agree Glyn is a great appointment and he's seems like someone who is in it for the long run and won't jump ship, if the going gets tough.

We Trads Caths in all over, thank you all for your continued support

Posted by pete173 (# 4622) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Stephen:
You mean they've promoted you?
'Going up' in the world?

I've spent quite enough time in London Diocese doing two jobs (still trying to stop being Acting Archdeacon!) I suspect that Fulham would be a bridge too far - both for that constituency and for me!

Posted by +Chrism (# 17032) on :

Now that would be amazing if we saw Suffragan See of Fulham on the Number 10 website and this below it:

The Queen has approved the nomination of the Right Reverend Peter Alan Broadbent MA DipTh to the Suffragan See of Fulham, in the Diocese of London.

Does anyone why the Canon Glyn's consecration is in the January and not before the end of the year

Posted by Earwig (# 12057) on :

quote:
Originally posted by +Chrism:
Does anyone why the Canon Glyn's consecration is in the January and not before the end of the year

There's only him and one other Canon running the Minster at the moment - if Glyn left before the new Dean was installed, the poor Precentor would have everything on his shoulders! I think it's a practical decision.

Posted by Vaticanchic (# 13869) on :

Plus there's only so many saints' days on which to ordain there chaps.

Posted by Vaticanchic (# 13869) on :

As I said in the OP, I wish Glyn well. Clearly, he's a good and decent man and he's been a busy-little-bee. But is there anything else that can be said?

Posted by Albertus (# 13356) on :

Is there anything else that needs to be said?

Posted by Vaticanchic (# 13869) on :

Yes, please.

And why isn't he going to Whitby?

Posted by Organ Builder (# 12478) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Vaticanchic:
But is there anything else that can be said?

If there is something you want said (as there seems to be), then perhaps you could stop being coy and say it.

Posted by Vaticanchic (# 13869) on :

I don't know the guy at all, but I'd love to hear from somebody who does! He must be more than a lovely man. Does he get angry? Is he funny? Does he hate & shout at clergy in "silly hats" like his predecessor?

In another thread, someone suggests Houlding is going to Fulham. Now, there's an oddbod - great. I like genuine people - characters with strong faith, so does the world out there, and I wonder if Glyn is such a man.

Posted by Albertus (# 13356) on :

Well, neither of us could be said to know him, but Mrs A has been a great fan of him at a distance ever since she saw him on a BBC documentary a few years ago, striding round York in a Paul Smith scarf and having a party to celebrate switching on the Christmas lights outside his house in the Close. I did hear him preach once and he took as, as it were, his text from Joan Collins.
I rather like that kind of thing.

Posted by Earwig (# 12057) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Vaticanchic:
I don't know the guy at all, but I'd love to hear from somebody who does! He must be more than a lovely man. Does he get angry? Is he funny? Does he hate & shout at clergy in "silly hats" like his predecessor?

In another thread, someone suggests Houlding is going to Fulham. Now, there's an oddbod - great. I like genuine people - characters with strong faith, so does the world out there, and I wonder if Glyn is such a man.

I know Glyn, and as I said above:

quote:
Originally posted by Earwig:
He's very pastorally inclined, well liked by many people, and has a lovely sense of humour.

I've never seen him angry or shouting at anyone! I wouldn't call him an oddbod. He has a strong faith and is very caring. He started out as a nurse and I think there's something of that that's never left him. He's outgoing, gregarious and generous, and widely loved at the Minster.

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