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Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :
 
Simple rule: propose the papal name the next pope will take. Whoever posts the correct name first on this thread, wins this game.

Only one guess per punter: if you change your mind and post a new guess on the thread, your previous guess is freed up for someone else to take. Be courteous and point out if this is the case.

(Where a papal name has been used before, see the list here, the correct Roman numeral must be added! If we have pope "Anastasius V" and you guessed "Anastasius", it will not count as a win; and if somebody else said "Anastasius V" after you, they win. The game is to guess the correct papal name.)

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As my guess, I propose Pope Leo XIV.
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
I propose Boniface X

I assume you can guess why [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Lymasa (# 11397) on :
 
I'm going with Hilarius II . The church could use some lightening up.
 
Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :
 
Gregory XVII -- I have no idea why.
 
Posted by Robertus Liverpolitanae (# 12011) on :
 
John XXIV
 
Posted by Schroedinger's cat (# 64) on :
 
Stephen X

I would love for the next pope to call himself Innocent, but that would be too inviting.....
 
Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :
 
Clement XV

[ 23. February 2013, 14:40: Message edited by: Firenze ]
 
Posted by Net Spinster (# 16058) on :
 
Pope Francis as it would be a change.
 
Posted by Ariston (# 10894) on :
 
There's already a thread pretty much exactly like this one in Heaven right now, and, since it's pretty much established at this point, I think it has Threadly Primacy. My powers to bind and unbind may not work in Heaven, but they do here.
Thread CLOSED
—Ariston, Hostifex Maximus
 
Posted by Ariston (# 10894) on :
 
So it seems there's been a conclave, and this thread got elected re-Popened. And so it is.
-A, Decaffeinated Circus Host
 
Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on :
 
Pope Pius X111
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
My logic for Boniface is that the last pope to follow a resignee was called Boniface. Cons being he was roundly accused of simony, pros being he was very important in the development of cannon law.

[ 24. February 2013, 14:50: Message edited by: Doublethink ]
 
Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :
 
Splendid. I am quietly confident of a Clementine succession (what you might call the orange order).

I will get on with scanning the cardinalate to decide on my hot date.
 
Posted by Nicolemr (# 28) on :
 
John Paul III.

You never know...
 
Posted by Dal Segno (# 14673) on :
 
Benedict XVII
 
Posted by Ariston (# 10894) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Doublethink:
My logic for Boniface is that the last pope to follow a resignee was called Boniface. Cons being he was roundly accused of simony, pros being he was very important in the development of cannon law.
That sounds like the infamous Boniface VIII; however, about a century later, there was a Boniface IX, who wasn't any better. I think the name may be cursed.

Oh, and much as I may love Augustine, history and Paddy Power tell me not to bet on it. How about, oh, Innocent XIV? John Paul is currently a name reserved for one person alone, Benedict was just used, John and Paul are associated with the Popes of Vatican II, which a politically conscious pope would realize is still a bit of a political issue, leaving us with Leo (taken), Gregory (Ditto), Pius (also taken, and controversial), Clement (see above), and Innocent. I'm going with the most recently used of the likely choices that's still available. Not the one I think most likely (that'd be Leo or Gregory), but so it goes.

[ 24. February 2013, 21:08: Message edited by: Ariston ]
 
Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :
 
Just a brief reminder that you need to lock in those Roman numerals. [Biased]
 
Posted by balaam (# 4543) on :
 
Victor IV, for reasons on the other thread.
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
Pope Ariston, because he's such a softie and gave in. [Axe murder]

But the serious suggestion, as on the other thread, is Alexander IX.
 
Posted by Ariston (# 10894) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:
Just a brief reminder that you need to lock in those Roman numerals. [Biased]
Forget that, I'm just going to sticky this thread and wait until I win!

Duly edited—make mine Innocent XIV

(Man, all these pope threads mean I have all the Wikipedia lists of papal names and popes by dates on speed dial. Really, if anyone wants to play pontifical trivia, just know that, at this point, you won't win)
 
Posted by jedijudy (# 333) on :
 
OK, I'll play!

Lando II. Just because!
 
Posted by Trisagion (# 5235) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Boogie:
Pope Pius X111
God, I bloody hope so, but more likely Leo XIV
 
Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Trisagion:
quote:
Originally posted by Boogie:
Pope Pius X111
God, I bloody hope so, but more likely Leo XIV
Trisagion, I already booked Leo XIV in the OP... If you want to play, you have to pick a different name.
 
Posted by Jon in the Nati (# 15849) on :
 
While I don't think it will be, I'd like to see Adrian. Adrian VII. It is a good strong name, and recognizable to modern ears. But it is also old enough that it doesn't come with a ton of baggage.

Julius IV wouldn't be bad either. I'm also partial to Felix, but there would be issues with numbering because two of the five popes with that name are now considered antipopes; could be awkward.

Someone upthread said Victor; that would be good too.
 
Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :
 
For convenience, here's the list so far:
 
Posted by ebeth (# 4474) on :
 
Zachary II
 
Posted by Gwai (# 11076) on :
 
Paul VII
 
Posted by piglet (# 11803) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Firenze:
... a Clementine succession (what you might call the orange order) ...
[Killing me] [Killing me] We'll have No Popery Here! [Big Grin]

Being frivolous, I'm going with Sixtus VI (although I don't fancy trying to say it).
 
Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :
 
Anastasius V

I like the name and IV seemed a good egg.
 
Posted by Mary LA (# 17040) on :
 
Martin VI
 
Posted by Heavenly Anarchist (# 13313) on :
 
Julius IV for me please
 
Posted by Left at the Altar (# 5077) on :
 
Trevor I
 
Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Left at the Altar:
Trevor I
[Overused]
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
Well if there are bishops named Trevor, I don't see why there can't be a Pope.
 
Posted by Trisagion (# 5235) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by piglet:
[Killing me] [Killing me] We'll have No Popery Here! [Big Grin]
Or the more less strident more North Down version: No Pot Pouri.

I wasn't playing, IngoB, merely expressing a preference. Your remark has spurred me into choosing a name: Urban IX
 
Posted by Trisagion (# 5235) on :
 
Sorry for the double-post, but in view of BXVI's almost unprecedented abdication, I'll change my pick to Celestine VI
 
Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :
 
Having just listened carefully to the habemus papam of John Paul I, I note that LatA is correct and it would indeed be "Pope Trevor I" and not just "Pope Trevor".

Given that this is not obvious, and given that the Wikipedia list I posted in the OP misleadingly does not list the "I" numeral for the first usage of a name, I think we should relax the "exact Roman numeral" requirement for new names only.

However, [Overused] to LatA for getting it right.
 
Posted by agingjb (# 16555) on :
 
Another, and new, double name?

John Benedict I
 
Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :
 
I've just noticed that in composite names with "John", "John" has to come first or the name sucks. I have no idea why though. Psycho-linguists to the rescue?

Anyway, entries up to this point:
 
Posted by Adeodatus (# 4992) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by agingjb:
Another, and new, double name?

John Benedict I
Or even John Paul Benedict I? Or John Paul George Ringo I?

That's the trouble, there are so many unfortunate names. Innocent and Pius would get sniggers from cynical English-speakers. The only Alexander anybody really knows of is the less than saintly Alexander VI. Sadly Adeodatus is unlikely - people would be saying, "Who does he think he is? God's gift?" Adrian VII might be seen as a reference to the rather louche novel by Frederick Rolfe. And so on and so on.

Since he'll be starting his reign near Easter, I'll go for Paschal III. (There was an antipope Paschal III. What do antipopes do to the numbering of the genuine article?)
 
Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Adeodatus:
Since he'll be starting his reign near Easter, I'll go for Paschal III. (There was an antipope Paschal III. What do antipopes do to the numbering of the genuine article?)
I think that in general antipopes (or indeed, imaginary popes...) are ignored in the numbering, if this is possible. Thus Antipope Benedict XIII does not hinder Pope Benedict XIII. However, the correct Roman numeral is always determined by the last real pope of the same name. Thus Pope John XXI skipped "John XX" believing that there was a bookkeeping error that missed out on a pope, and thereby in fact committed a bookkeeping error himself. But counting then continued with "John XXII" (correct as per "John XXI", even if incorrect concerning the entire series of "Johns").
 
Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :
 
I'm going to go for Marcellus III.

This is on the theory that Cardinal Marc Ouellet is a frontrunner in the papal stakes, and may even want to keep his own name, or some variant thereof.

I may change my mind about this over the course of the next couple of weeks...
 
Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :
 
IngoB, have you said what the prize will be? I'm assuming it will be round-trip airfare, lodging, and front row seats for the enthronement.
[Biased]
 
Posted by North East Quine (# 13049) on :
 
I vote for Pope Malachy I.
 
Posted by JFH (# 14794) on :
 
Hmm. Given the relative likelihood of there being a candidate of African origin who takes it, I could see Pope Augustine I happening.
 
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
Since most of the more likely names are taken, I'm going the sentimental route and choosing Pope Martin Philip I for two of my favorite saints- St. Martin de Porres and St. Philip Neri.
 
Posted by ChaliceGirl (# 13656) on :
 
Are their any popes named Peter since St. Peter (the first Pope?)
 
Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ChaliceGirl:
Are their any popes named Peter since St. Peter (the first Pope?)
Nope.
 
Posted by Earwig (# 12057) on :
 
Well, if Trisaigon's not using it, I'll nab [B]Urban IX/B]. I've always thought Urban is a nice name.

[ 27. February 2013, 14:10: Message edited by: Earwig ]
 
Posted by Earwig (# 12057) on :
 
Ugh. Bad coding, sorry, should be Urban IX.
 
Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :
 
OK then, we have so far:
  1. Adrian VII - Jon in the Nati
  2. Alexander IX - Chorister
  3. Anastasius V - PeteC
  4. Augustine I - JFH
  5. Benedict XVII - Dal Segno
  6. Boniface X - Doublethink
  7. Celestine VI - Trisagion
  8. Clement XV - Firenze
  9. Francis I - Net Spinster
  10. Gregory XVII - Pigwidgeon
  11. Hilarius II - Lymasa
  12. Innocent XIV - Ariston
  13. John XXIV - Robertus Liverpolitanae
  14. John Benedict I - agingjb
  15. John Paul III - Nicolemr
  16. Julius IV - Heavenly Anarchist
  17. Lando II - jedijudy
  18. Leo XIV - IngoB
  19. Malachy I - North East Quine
  20. Marcellus III - Ariel
  21. Martin VI - Mary LA
  22. Martin Philip I - Lyda*Rose
  23. Paschal III - Adeodatus
  24. Paul VII - Gwai
  25. Pius XIII - Boogie
  26. Sixtus VI - piglet
  27. Stephen X - Schroedinger's cat
  28. Trevor I - Left at the Altar
  29. Urban IX - Earwig
  30. Victor IV - balaam
  31. Zachary II - ebeth

 
Posted by Gussie (# 12271) on :
 
Cyprian I . I was going to go for Augustine, but that's been took.
 
Posted by kingsfold (# 1726) on :
 
I wonder if perhaps he might choose to be named after one of the more recent martyrs/more recently canonised.

Say, Maximilian I or perhaps Oscar I if he's South American.

I think I'll go for Maximilian I. OK it's unlikely, but so what?

(Codefix...on a phone, no less. Y'alls owe me serious chocolate.)

[ 28. February 2013, 04:23: Message edited by: Ariston ]
 
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
As much as I admire St. Maximilian Kolbe, I'm not sure I'd want to be named after a recent martyr, though. It might put ideas in some nutball's head. [Help]
 
Posted by TurquoiseTastic (# 8978) on :
 
Pope Peter II

For fans of the St. Malachy prophecies, or a pope a little lacking in humility...
 
Posted by Campbellite (# 1202) on :
 
Pelagius III
 
Posted by Mere Nick (# 11827) on :
 
Ozzie Smith
 
Posted by cor ad cor loquitur (# 11816) on :
 
I vote for Hyginus II. The Curia and the Church could do with a good cleaning.
 
Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :
 
This brings us to:
  1. Adrian VII - Jon in the Nati
  2. Alexander IX - Chorister
  3. Anastasius V - PeteC
  4. Augustine I - JFH
  5. Benedict XVII - Dal Segno
  6. Boniface X - Doublethink
  7. Celestine VI - Trisagion
  8. Clement XV - Firenze
  9. Cyprian I - Gussie
  10. Francis I - Net Spinster
  11. Gregory XVII - Pigwidgeon
  12. Hilarius II - Lymasa
  13. Hyginus II - cor ad cor loquitur
  14. Innocent XIV - Ariston
  15. John XXIV - Robertus Liverpolitanae
  16. John Benedict I - agingjb
  17. John Paul III - Nicolemr
  18. Julius IV - Heavenly Anarchist
  19. Lando II - jedijudy
  20. Leo XIV - IngoB
  21. Malachy I - North East Quine
  22. Marcellus III - Ariel
  23. Martin VI - Mary LA
  24. Martin Philip I - Lyda*Rose
  25. Maximilian I - kingsfold
  26. Ozzie Smith I - Mere Nick
  27. Paschal III - Adeodatus
  28. Paul VII - Gwai
  29. Pelagius III - Campbellite
  30. Peter II - TurquoiseTastic
  31. Pius XIII - Boogie
  32. Sixtus VI - piglet
  33. Stephen X - Schroedinger's cat
  34. Trevor I - Left at the Altar
  35. Urban IX - Earwig
  36. Victor IV - balaam
  37. Zachary II - ebeth

 
Posted by Adeodatus (# 4992) on :
 
If you think about it, all we have to do is hand this list to a passing Cardinal, and the RCC has about another 400 years' worth of papal names.
 
Posted by Bob Two-Owls (# 9680) on :
 
Anterus II?
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
Eugene V, 'cos Eugene's a cool name.
 
Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Adeodatus:
If you think about it, all we have to do is hand this list to a passing Cardinal, and the RCC has about another 400 years' worth of papal names.
Along with a pin.
 
Posted by rolyn (# 16840) on :
 
Knock knock , Who's there ?

The Pope , The Pope who ?
 
Posted by Timothy the Obscure (# 292) on :
 
Nicholas VI--I think there's a great rebranding opportunity there.
 
Posted by agrgurich (# 5724) on :
 
Linus II
 
Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :
 
We have hit 40 names by now, but there may be some mileage yet in first name usages (realistic ones). For example, Daniel I, Jonas I, Lucas I,...
  1. Adrian VII - Jon in the Nati
  2. Alexander IX - Chorister
  3. Anastasius V - PeteC
  4. Augustine I - JFH
  5. Benedict XVII - Dal Segno
  6. Boniface X - Doublethink
  7. Celestine VI - Trisagion
  8. Clement XV - Firenze
  9. Cyprian I - Gussie
  10. Eugene V - Sioni Sais
  11. Francis I - Net Spinster
  12. Gregory XVII - Pigwidgeon
  13. Hilarius II - Lymasa
  14. Hyginus II - cor ad cor loquitur
  15. Innocent XIV - Ariston
  16. John XXIV - Robertus Liverpolitanae
  17. John Benedict I - agingjb
  18. John Paul III - Nicolemr
  19. Julius IV - Heavenly Anarchist
  20. Lando II - jedijudy
  21. Leo XIV - IngoB
  22. Linus II - agrgurich
  23. Malachy I - North East Quine
  24. Marcellus III - Ariel
  25. Martin VI - Mary LA
  26. Martin Philip I - Lyda*Rose
  27. Maximilian I - kingsfold
  28. Nicholas VI - Timothy the Obscure
  29. Ozzie Smith I - Mere Nick
  30. Paschal III - Adeodatus
  31. Paul VII - Gwai
  32. Pelagius III - Campbellite
  33. Peter II - TurquoiseTastic
  34. Pius XIII - Boogie
  35. Sixtus VI - piglet
  36. Stephen X - Schroedinger's cat
  37. Trevor I - Left at the Altar
  38. Urban IX - Earwig
  39. Victor IV - balaam
  40. Zachary II - ebeth

 
Posted by Maureen Lash (# 17192) on :
 
Felix VI
 
Posted by Inanna (# 538) on :
 
I'm going to go for John Luke I. Not only will it keep some continuity with tradition while also adding in some novelty, it will also allow the possibility of some lovely Star Trek references (then Picard could have been named for the Pope, for instance), or for the Holy Father to be played by Patrick Stewart in any subsequent TV drama [Smile]

[ 06. March 2013, 14:32: Message edited by: Inanna ]
 
Posted by jacobsen (# 14998) on :
 
It seemed that the singular popes on Wikipedia were given the numeral 1.

My choice, since I feel the church needs to lighten up alot, is Dionysius II.
 
Posted by Sylvander (# 12857) on :
 
I'll opt for Sylvester IV.

In German "Sylvester" has come to mean Hogmanay -and since unlike the Queen's nobody celebrates the Pope's birthday we would have a party and even fireworks for him every year!
 
Posted by pimple (# 10635) on :
 
Joan II
 
Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :
 
It is likely that one week from now we will already know which one of the following came true:
  1. Adrian VII - Jon in the Nati
  2. Alexander IX - Chorister
  3. Anastasius V - PeteC
  4. Augustine I - JFH
  5. Benedict XVII - Dal Segno
  6. Boniface X - Doublethink
  7. Celestine VI - Trisagion
  8. Clement XV - Firenze
  9. Cyprian I - Gussie
  10. Dionysius II - jacobsen
  11. Eugene V - Sioni Sais
  12. Felix VI - Maureen Lash
  13. Francis I - Net Spinster
  14. Gregory XVII - Pigwidgeon
  15. Hilarius II - Lymasa
  16. Hyginus II - cor ad cor loquitur
  17. John Luke I - Inanna
  18. Innocent XIV - Ariston
  19. Joan II - pimple
  20. John XXIV - Robertus Liverpolitanae
  21. John Benedict I - agingjb
  22. John Paul III - Nicolemr
  23. Julius IV - Heavenly Anarchist
  24. Lando II - jedijudy
  25. Leo XIV - IngoB
  26. Linus II - agrgurich
  27. Malachy I - North East Quine
  28. Marcellus III - Ariel
  29. Martin VI - Mary LA
  30. Martin Philip I - Lyda*Rose
  31. Maximilian I - kingsfold
  32. Nicholas VI - Timothy the Obscure
  33. Ozzie Smith I - Mere Nick
  34. Paschal III - Adeodatus
  35. Paul VII - Gwai
  36. Pelagius III - Campbellite
  37. Peter II - TurquoiseTastic
  38. Pius XIII - Boogie
  39. Sixtus VI - piglet
  40. Stephen X - Schroedinger's cat
  41. Sylvester IV - Sylvander
  42. Trevor I - Left at the Altar
  43. Urban IX - Earwig
  44. Victor IV - balaam
  45. Zachary II - ebeth

 
Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :
 
OTOH, perhaps none of them will have. Could be each cardinal has already scanned this list and mentally deleted every name from his personal repertoire of Things I Will Call Myself When I'm Pope.
 
Posted by Sylvander (# 12857) on :
 
You forgot they don't have internet there and hence no access to the Ship's superior intelligence, imagination and insight.
 
Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :
 
White smoke! We will know soon.
 
Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :
 
Congratulations, Net Spinster!
 
Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :
 
Yes - well done!
 
Posted by TurquoiseTastic (# 8978) on :
 
An absolutely stunning prediction. I am mightily impressed!
 
Posted by Inanna (# 538) on :
 
A Jesuit calling himself Francis... What are the odds of that? I would have expected it if it had been O'Malley. Good call Net Spinster.
 
Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :
 
Indeed, congratulations to Net Spinster for a remarkable prediction!
 
Posted by Net Spinster (# 16058) on :
 
Many thanks for the congratulations. I thought it was a legitimate choice though a long shot. I'm not sure what this particular pope choosing Francis means (though that is more a matter for purgatory I suspect).
 
Posted by Welease Woderwick (# 10424) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Inanna:
A Jesuit calling himself Francis... What are the odds of that? I would have expected it if it had been O'Malley. Good call Net Spinster.
Wasn't Francis Xavier a Jesuit?
 
Posted by Ariston (# 10894) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
quote:
Originally posted by Inanna:
A Jesuit calling himself Francis... What are the odds of that? I would have expected it if it had been O'Malley. Good call Net Spinster.
Wasn't Francis Xavier a Jesuit?
Indeed, one of the first two!

Either that, or this is a papacy for the birds.
 


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