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Originally posted by Trisagion:
Because it was crass liturgical archaeologism and it made the Baby Jesus cry, as any fule kno

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As I always say, Thank You Trisagion!
 

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Posted by Trisagion (# 5235) on :
 
You're welcome.
 

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Posted by Edgeman (# 12867) on :
 
It was also hard to wear- On many occasions, Ash Wednesday 2008 for example, it slipped off or would not stay properly folded.
 

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Posted by Jon in the Nati (# 15849) on :
 
It was obviously an attempt to imitate the Eastern omophorion. But Western metropolitans have not worn the omophorion for the better part of a thousand years. I always did wonder why Benedict, a paragon of liturgical taste and correctness in the Roman Rite, would have chosen to wear something so odd and out of context. Any idea, Trisagion (et al) where it came from and why it was utilised?
 

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Posted by CL (# 16145) on :
 

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Originally posted by Jon in the Nati:
It was obviously an attempt to imitate the Eastern omophorion. But Western metropolitans have not worn the omophorion for the better part of a thousand years. I always did wonder why Benedict, a paragon of liturgical taste and correctness in the Roman Rite, would have chosen to wear something so odd and out of context. Any idea, Trisagion (et al) where it came from and why it was utilised?

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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
For the real story, rather than hate-projections and fanciful spot-the-bogeyman, see here.

I saw a rather magnificent paper by Archbishop Piero Marini, before JPII died, about trying to identify strong symbols for the Petrine ministry which were not imperial and regal, such as the tiara, but pastoral. The pallium and the ring were key elements in that. JPI had the mitre placed on his head instead of the tiara, which was a bit odd because he was already a bishop. A distinctive pallium for the Successor of Peter would be a good symbol.

That principle has been continued - today the Pope was given a distinctive pallium. As Trisagion suggests, the original distinctive one for BXVI was a bit contrived, based on ancient mosaics. It did not sit well, and looked rather clumsy. So it was replaced in 2009 (I think!) with a newer, smaller, but still distinctive design (following Abp Piero Marini's principle of a distinctive papal pallium).

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I'm sure that's all quite true, but the newest pallium is also quite "contrived" with the use of a larger size yoke and red crosses. I never did understand why the larger, omophorion style pallium first used by Pope Benedict was not, as in the east, affixed a few crucial points with small, nearly invisible, buttons and loops that keep the whole rig in position. Even a tiny applied point of velcro would have served the purpose.

Of course I say this because the modern pallium of the Roman church appears to be nothing more than a reduced, decorative survival of a once noble vestment. Fortunately, that same vestment can still be seen in use for the Divine Liturgy among the Orthodox and other churches of the east.

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Posted by Galilit (# 16470) on :
 
Dear little lamb-ies are shorn specially for the wool which is then woven into a pallium.
They are brought to Rome live and blessed and then shorn.
I was thinking about this yesterday as I saw the pallium being applied/placed/pinned.
It is hardly primavera (Italian for "spring") in Tuscana - poor wee things!

[ 20. March 2013, 07:54: Message edited by: Galilit ]
 

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Posted by Chapelhead (# 21) on :
 
Triple tiara - interesting observations about communicating the symbolism of the garment. I rather like the fuller, more scarf-like version of the pallium, partly because I think it looks prettier, and because it looks more like an adaptation of a 'real' garment than the more stylized version that looks more like a currently used. But I can see how looking like a scarf could obscure the symbolism of the garment.

Not that it is of the slightest significance, but the other reservation I have about yoke-like garments is that this is starting to look a bit like this. Death cookie anyone?
 

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Posted by leo (# 1458) on :
 

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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
the original distinctive one for BXVI was a bit contrived, based on ancient mosaics. It did not sit well, and looked rather clumsy. .

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