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Posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe (# 5521) on :

A Republican member of the US Congress has proposed that children who receive free school lunches should sweep the floor as payment.

Hey, I have an idea. Why don't we make members of Congress sweep the floor to earn their keep? After all, the present Congress is on track to become the most unproductive Congress in modern history.

Posted by no prophet (# 15560) on :

How about send your congress people's kids to the wars they love so much? And maybe send the representatives as well. Failing, visit them some with some Christmas drones. Cruise missiles being so last year.

Posted by deano (# 12063) on :

Oh change the record No Point. You’ll bet telling us next that asking kids to sweep up is a war crime.

Posted by Mere Nick (# 11827) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:

Hey, I have an idea. Why don't we make members of Congress sweep the floor to earn their keep? After all, the present Congress is on track to become the most unproductive Congress in modern history.

I'd rather have Congress sweep floors than pass bills.

Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :

I just posted "Are there no workhouse?" on his Facebook page. [Devil]

Posted by Mere Nick (# 11827) on :

When I was in school there were always a few kids who helped the janitors. It took just a few, so I doubt there would be enough work to go around.

Posted by no prophet (# 15560) on :

quote:
Originally posted by deano:
Oh change the record No Point. You’ll bet telling us next that asking kids to sweep up is a war crime.

Playing the bagpipes out of your ass again I see hasbeeno.

Posted by Porridge (# 15405) on :

Not a Jack Kingston original, I'm afraid. Gingrich suggested the same or similar in the last Republican clown-car Flurry For Republican Presidential Nominee.

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

Don't say anything bad about right-wingers, fascists, or slavers. Deano will have a shitfit.

Posted by Anglican_Brat (# 12349) on :

quote:
Originally posted by deano:
Oh change the record No Point. You’ll bet telling us next that asking kids to sweep up is a war crime.

Dear me, I thought kids went to school to learn, not be extra janitors.

The reason we feed them is because a well-fed stomach is essential for learning.

Posted by Mere Nick (# 11827) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Anglican_Brat:

quote:
Originally posted by deano:
Oh change the record No Point. You’ll bet telling us next that asking kids to sweep up is a war crime.
Dear me, I thought kids went to school to learn, not be extra janitors.

The reason we feed them is because a well-fed stomach is essential for learning.

The ones that did it when I was in school stuck around did their work after school was over.

Posted by no prophet (# 15560) on :

"Mark" is a short film about the life of 10 year old boy who is one of 28,000 homeless children living in Orange County California.

It's just under 4 minutes.

This isn't hellish, but these are my thoughts and comments:

These kids are everywhere, so are their families. It's warmed up to -27°C here this afternoon. The shelters all relaxed their rules on crowding and intoxication this week, with the cold. We hit -39°C earlier in the week. The Salvation Army and Food Bank put out an appeal and they now have enough, actually more than enough.

People are basically good if you allow them to be and show them what are truly advocating. Those who aren't, it's binary isn't it? Either stupid or evil. I go with stupid even when they are evil. Gives me hope.

Posted by Twilight (# 2832) on :

He's a mean one, Newt Gingrich

Posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe (# 5521) on :

Newt Gingrich is working now as a commentator on CNN. How CNN could think that anyone would have the slightest interest in listening to anything such a blowhard might have to say is beyond me -- unless they're interested in giving Faux News a run for their money.

Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Twilight:
He's a mean one, Newt Gingrich

Wonderful! (unfortunately)

Posted by Wilfried (# 12277) on :

quote:
Originally posted by no prophet:
"Mark" is a short film about the life of 10 year old boy who is one of 28,000 homeless children living in Orange County California....

This New York Times Magazine article has been making waves lately.

Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :

Jesus wept.

Posted by Mere Nick (# 11827) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
Newt Gingrich is working now as a commentator on CNN. How CNN could think that anyone would have the slightest interest in listening to anything such a blowhard might have to say is beyond me -- unless they're interested in giving Faux News a run for their money.

He's on Crossfire. And blowhard Piers Morgan has his own show.

Posted by deano (# 12063) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
Newt Gingrich is working now as a commentator on CNN. How CNN could think that anyone would have the slightest interest in listening to anything such a blowhard might have to say is beyond me -- unless they're interested in giving Faux News a run for their money.

Yes, I'm quite sure the subtleties of selling advertising airtime is beyond you.

Posted by no prophet (# 15560) on :

quote:
Originally posted by deano:
Yes, I'm quite sure the subtleties of selling advertising airtime is beyond you.

You mean that fact and news are prostitutes for hire.

Posted by deano (# 12063) on :

quote:
Originally posted by no prophet:

quote:
Originally posted by deano:
Yes, I'm quite sure the subtleties of selling advertising airtime is beyond you.
You mean that fact and news are prostitutes for hire.

I mean that the mere fact that Gingrich is on CNN will ensure that limp-wristed socialists like you No Point will watch him just so you can be offended by him. You will, sheep-like, tune in just to hear him mock you. Then you will get angry.

Thus CNN can sell the airtime to companies selling vegan suppositories and plastic shoes and so forth.

Posted by no prophet (# 15560) on :

No CNN here. Its an American thing.

You just called socialists a euphemism for homosexuality or effeminacy

quote:
limp-wristed

you really are a toad, a terrible disgusting toad.

Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :

No, no, no. deano means it is because his own wrist is strengthened every-time he watches the Newt.
costing him a fortune in tissues, though.

Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :

quote:
Originally posted by no prophet:
You just called socialists a euphemism for homosexuality or effeminacy
quote:
limp-wristed
you really are a toad, a terrible disgusting toad.

What did a toad ever do to you, no prophet, that you would insult them like that?

Posted by no prophet (# 15560) on :

quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
No, no, no. deano means it is because his own wrist is strengthened every-time he watches the Newt.
costing him a fortune in tissues, though.

He masturbates while watching Gingrich?

Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :

quote:
Originally posted by no prophet:

quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
No, no, no. deano means it is because his own wrist is strengthened every-time he watches the Newt.
costing him a fortune in tissues, though.
He masturbates while watching Gingrich?

Now that's what I call a fetish. [Eek!]

Posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe (# 5521) on :

quote:
Originally posted by deano:
I mean that the mere fact that Gingrich is on CNN will ensure that limp-wristed socialists like you . . . will watch him just so you can be offended by him. . . . CNN can sell the airtime to companies selling vegan suppositories and plastic shoes and so forth.

No, deano dear, I change channels the instant the newt darkens my screen. And I don't wear plastic shoes or use suppositories of any provenance.

Posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard (# 368) on :

You son of a bitch deano.

Posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard (# 368) on :

I really want to say with gritted teeth after watching scenes of the Kinder Transport you fucking son of a bitch. You disappoint me so, I don't get this angry. It's conflation with the fucking Nazis who, you'll be glad to know, make me viscerally rethink my pacifism.

But I just watched a representation of our Lord dying for the Nazis, the Jews, you and me.

So please forgive me, you .... and I wrote the word I NEVER use and even Jesus couldn't shame me in to retracting it.

But He did. Not shame, something else. Me too.

[ 22. December 2013, 20:58: Message edited by: Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard ]

Posted by Mere Nick (# 11827) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
And I don't wear plastic shoes or use suppositories of any provenance.

If you do use suppositories, though, be careful around the cops. That's probable cause these days.

Posted by deano (# 12063) on :

quote:
Originally posted by no prophet:
No CNN here. Its an American thing.

You just called socialists a euphemism for homosexuality or effeminacy
quote:
limp-wristed
you really are a toad, a terrible disgusting toad.

CNN is available on Freeview, Sky and a whole host of other channels. I don't watch it. Prefer Fox meself.

Anyhoo No Point, it seems to me that you have just done the very thing you have accused me of doing. Let mne walk you through it slowly...

1) I said Socialists were limp-wristed. That is all. I made no connection between limp-wristedness and homosexuality. As far as I know no homosexuals are limp-wristed.

2) You did. You made a connection between limp-wristedness and homosexuality. You naughty homophobe.

I don't know any gay people with limp-wrists. Perhaps you do, or perhaps you are just falling back onto stereotypes with which you are fluent.

Either way it seems to me that the only people who have made any kind of connection between limp-wristedness and homosexuality are you and a few others like you, socialists all, which is amusing.

When did you start becoming a homophobic bigot No Point?

[ 23. December 2013, 13:32: Message edited by: deano ]

Posted by deano (# 12063) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard:
I really want to say with gritted teeth after watching scenes of the Kinder Transport you fucking son of a bitch. You disappoint me so, I don't get this angry. It's conflation with the fucking Nazis who, you'll be glad to know, make me viscerally rethink my pacifism.

But I just watched a representation of our Lord dying for the Nazis, the Jews, you and me.

So please forgive me, you .... and I wrote the word I NEVER use and even Jesus couldn't shame me in to retracting it.

But He did. Not shame, something else. Me too.

Are you addressing the above to me MPC? 'Cos if you are I don't give a shit. I hope I have upset you because I despise you. I hope you fall back into the grip of fundamentalism from which you are struggling to extracate yourself.

I have never forgiven you for denying Christianity to soldiers, and I hope that you have a seriously unpleasant life for that reason.

Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :

Oh - let me add Ian Duncan Smith to this thread for being a complete cunt as well...

Posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe (# 5521) on :

quote:
Originally posted by deano:
CNN is available on Freeview, Sky and a whole host of other channels. I don't watch it. Prefer Fox meself.

You would.

quote:

I don't know any gay people with limp-wrists.

You need to get out more.

Posted by no prophet (# 15560) on :

hasbeeno: We get that you're a narcissist, a jerk, and a troll. Go read about yourself somewhere else. You and your lizard.

http://forum.ship-of-fools.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=005264#000000

Posted by deano (# 12063) on :

quote:
Originally posted by no prophet:
hasbeeno: We get that you're a narcissist, a jerk, and a troll. Go read about yourself somewhere else. You and your lizard.

http://forum.ship-of-fools.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=005264#000000

... but not a homophobe No Point. I'll leave that to you.

Posted by comet (# 10353) on :

quote:
Originally posted by deano:
Are you addressing the above to me MPC? 'Cos if you are I don't give a shit. I hope I have upset you because I despise you.

"oh yeah? well, I don't care what you think, you big poopyhead! Did you hear me?!? Your opinion means nothing to me! Goddamn it, are you listening to me?"

You're just too fucking cute, deano. You'll do more for the Liberal Cause™ than Fox News and Sarah Palin combined. Treehuggers Anonymous is going to make you their poster child.

Posted by deano (# 12063) on :

quote:
Originally posted by comet:

quote:
Originally posted by deano:
Are you addressing the above to me MPC? 'Cos if you are I don't give a shit. I hope I have upset you because I despise you.
"oh yeah? well, I don't care what you think, you big poopyhead! Did you hear me?!? Your opinion means nothing to me! Goddamn it, are you listening to me?"

You're just too fucking cute, deano. You'll do more for the Liberal Cause™ than Fox News and Sarah Palin combined. Treehuggers Anonymous is going to make you their poster child.

I doubt it. They don't know who I am you slow-witted bag of hormones.

Posted by no prophet (# 15560) on :

The real problem with people who brush off the evil they express, is the effects of their attitudes.

You crossed a line deano, you know it, and you don't care. Then you project it outward.

Posted by deano (# 12063) on :

quote:
Originally posted by no prophet:
The real problem with people who brush off the evil they express, is the effects of their attitudes.

You crossed a line deano, you know it, and you don't care. Then you project it outward.

No. I know you are hard of thinking, but as I said, I never made any kind of connection between limp-wristedness and homosexuality.

YOU DID.

Now you are trying to wriggle out of it you homophobic bigot. You hide it well and bury it deep but it's there and now and then it comes up to the surface.

Posted by Porridge (# 15405) on :

quote:
Originally posted by deano:

quote:
Originally posted by no prophet:
The real problem with people who brush off the evil they express, is the effects of their attitudes.

You crossed a line deano, you know it, and you don't care. Then you project it outward.
No. I know you are hard of thinking, but as I said, I never made any kind of connection between limp-wristedness and homosexuality.

YOU DID.

Now you are trying to wriggle out of it you homophobic bigot. You hide it well and bury it deep but it's there and now and then it comes up to the surface.

Sorry, oh leano-of-brain, but you are wrong.

But we forgive you, since preadolescents can't be expected to own college-level dictionaries.

[ 24. December 2013, 00:25: Message edited by: Sioni Sais ]

Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :

Obviously he meant the "soft flabby ineffectual" definition. Anyone could tell that. Not.

And anyone who leapt to the more common "Usually Disparaging and Offensive.(of a man or boy) exhibiting feminine characteristics; effeminate; homosexual" one is free game for a round of "I know what you are but what am I?" from ol' deano. What fun. [Roll Eyes]

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

quote:
Originally posted by deano:
I never made any kind of connection between limp-wristedness and homosexuality.

Well, if you'd prefer us to believe that you're a complete idiot who has managed to get through his life without ever hearing limp-wristedness as a metaphor for homosexuality, rather than a juvenile bigot, you can make that choice.

Posted by EtymologicalEvangelical (# 15091) on :

It pains me to spring to deano's defence, but I can understand how someone can use the term 'limp-wristed' to denote effeminacy in men, without necessarily implying any connection with homosexuality. Of course, the term is usually associated (disparagingly) with reference to gay men, and someone would have to be a bit naive to think they could use the term without that connotation, but c'mon, let's not be semantic fascists. We've got one resident fascist; we don't really need any more...

The definitions I have seen include (which I notice someone else has already mentioned):

Ineffectual; effete.

Usually disparaging and offensive: (of a man or boy) exhibiting feminine characteristics; effeminate; homosexual.

Soft; flabby.

Take your pick.

This conversation rather reminds me of my unforgivable sin against liberal fascism some time ago when I dared to use the past participle of the perfectly ordinary English verb "to retard". Apparently I sparked Armaggedon with that act of iniquity, and only deep contrition in sackcloth and ashes could save the world from total annihilation!

[ 23. December 2013, 21:46: Message edited by: EtymologicalEvangelical ]

Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :

Course effeminate is assuming that being female like is somehow bad.

Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Doublethink:
Course effeminate is assuming that being female like is somehow bad.

My thought, too.

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

EE, the stupidity lies not so much in trying to use the phrase to denote something other than homosexuality. It lies in carrying on as if using it to denote homosexuality was a complete surprise and a strange invention of another Shipmate.

Posted by no prophet (# 15560) on :

I will admit that I am highly sensitive and touchy re matters of discrimination and also that I'm not sorry about it. The responses of Doublethink and Orfeo have it exactly.

Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Doublethink:
Course effeminate is assuming that being female like is somehow bad.

In much the same way, left-handedness is seen as something dodgy.

Posted by EtymologicalEvangelical (# 15091) on :

quote:
Originally posted by no prophet
I will admit that I am highly sensitive and touchy re matters of discrimination and also that I'm not sorry about it.

Unless, of course, it involves discrimination against and lack of sensitivity towards soldiers suffering from post traumatic stress disorder.

And then we see the true no prophet. Gutless.

(BTW, as far as I am concerned, courageous soldiers are at the front of the queue for sympathy and sensitivity. People like you are at the end.)

Posted by Mere Nick (# 11827) on :

quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:

quote:
Originally posted by Doublethink:
Course effeminate is assuming that being female like is somehow bad.
In much the same way, left-handedness is seen as something dodgy.

It depends on who is coming up to bat. Without some lefties in the bullpen you're SOL.

Posted by deano (# 12063) on :

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:

quote:
Originally posted by no prophet
I will admit that I am highly sensitive and touchy re matters of discrimination and also that I'm not sorry about it.
Unless, of course, it involves discrimination against and lack of sensitivity towards soldiers suffering from post traumatic stress disorder.

And then we see the true no prophet. Gutless.

(BTW, as far as I am concerned, courageous soldiers are at the front of the queue for sympathy and sensitivity. People like you are at the end.)

We finally find common ground EE.

Posted by Porridge (# 15405) on :

quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:

quote:
Originally posted by Doublethink:
Course effeminate is assuming that being female like is somehow bad.
In much the same way, left-handedness is seen as something dodgy.

Of course it is. Fact is, we're all pretty dodgy. Get over it.

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by deano:

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:

quote:
Originally posted by no prophet
I will admit that I am highly sensitive and touchy re matters of discrimination and also that I'm not sorry about it.
Unless, of course, it involves discrimination against and lack of sensitivity towards soldiers suffering from post traumatic stress disorder.

And then we see the true no prophet. Gutless.

(BTW, as far as I am concerned, courageous soldiers are at the front of the queue for sympathy and sensitivity. People like you are at the end.)
We finally find common ground EE.

Didn't you guys find the very same common ground a month ago on another thread? Ah yes, two threads, one here, one in Purgatory, but on the same topic.

C'mon people, show some imagination.

Posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard (# 368) on :

God bless you deano.

I have NEVER denied the Christianity of soldiers, I have ALWAYS made that perfectly clear. You are my brother despite your vile, anti-Christian politics. And because of them. Been there. Soldiers are saints as far as I'm concerned. Whether Christian or not. Doing what they have to do because Christianity has failed them.

If you want to believe that I believe otherwise despite consistently saying the opposite, I feel much more sorry for you in your bitter delusion.

What I deny is the Christianity of soldiering.

Happy Xmas - Martin

Posted by no prophet (# 15560) on :

quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
Unless, of course, it involves discrimination against and lack of sensitivity towards soldiers suffering from post traumatic stress disorder.

And then we see the true no prophet. Gutless.

(BTW, as far as I am concerned, courageous soldiers are at the front of the queue for sympathy and sensitivity. People like you are at the end.)

Occupational choice versus who you are as born. Rather different. I may be an asshole, but I am not an unwiped asshole. Further, I explained that I had personalized a particular soldier's conduct, and my family's history of being refugees and of family members who committed wartime atrocities and were victims of atrocities themselves. Do you require any further explanation? Or just forgetting to wipe your's?

Posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe (# 5521) on :

quote:
Originally posted by no prophet:
Occupational choice versus who you are as born. Rather different. . . . Or just forgetting to wipe your's?

Surely that apostrophe was a slip of the finger? That's what you get for taking it out of your ass.

Have you never heard the expression "Didn't understand fully what he was getting into?"

Posted by piglet (# 11803) on :

quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:

quote:
Originally posted by Doublethink:
Course effeminate is assuming that being female like is somehow bad.
In much the same way, left-handedness is seen as something dodgy.

Sinister, even. [Big Grin]

Posted by Molopata The Rebel (# 9933) on :

Anyhow, coming back to the original topic. What's wrong with children making a contribution at school? This comes just as we're trying to get the short Molopatas to complete at least some small chores around the house.

However, it's not the ones receiving free school meals who should be singled out for janitor duty, but rather those who are not. In fact, it could be a particularly valuable educational lesson for those kids who have servants at home.

Posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe (# 5521) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Molopata The Rebel:
In fact, it could be a particularly valuable educational lesson for those kids who have servants at home.

I don't think you'll find very many public school children in the USA whose families have "help".

It's one thing to expect schoolchildren to pick up after themselves in the lunchroom, but quite another thing to expect them to scrub out toilets and mop floors.

Posted by Palimpsest (# 16772) on :

The Congressman was proposing poor students do janitorial work. Well off kids would not be asked to do that in his world.

It would be one thing to propose that all children should be given jobs as part of their education. That's not what he's saying.

Requiring only poor children to work to pay for public school assumes they don't have the same job other children have, which is to get an education and become non poor. That's more than a full time job by itself.

They also are required to attend school, which would make this an involuntary penalty for being poor. The rich children, meanwhile, would be getting a free education on my tax dollar with no obligation.

As a child I went to private schools and camps on scholarships and was happy to work in recompense for the ride. I would not feel the same about being asked to do that in the public school system.

Posted by Mere Nick (# 11827) on :

I don't know for sure, but I'm fairly certain that the kids who did janitorial work at my high school were being paid. I doubt folks would be doing it for free. I don't know if they were related to other folks working at the school.

Wouldn't it be easier to just include the cost of lunch for all the kids in the school budget instead of all the trouble it takes to figure out who gets free or reduced and then accounting for lunch room receipts? In college were all issued meal tickets with a magnetic strip. You couldn't figure anything out about the financial situation of a student's family by watching him get something to eat.

Posted by Palimpsest (# 16772) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mere Nick:
I don't know for sure, but I'm fairly certain that the kids who did janitorial work at my high school were being paid. I doubt folks would be doing it for free. I don't know if they were related to other folks working at the school.

The one time I was asked to clean litter from the school as an ongoing job, there was no mention of payment.

quote:

Wouldn't it be easier to just include the cost of lunch for all the kids in the school budget instead of all the trouble it takes to figure out who gets free or reduced and then accounting for lunch room receipts? In college were all issued meal tickets with a magnetic strip. You couldn't figure anything out about the financial situation of a student's family by watching him get something to eat.

There's an ongoing debate over giving things to the poor rather than putting in extensive checks to make sure the poor aren't "misusing" the things. You can rigorously check that welfare recipients don't spend the money in ways you don't want or risk misuse. Typically, the social service worker needed to due the rigorous checking gets paid a much larger civil service salary then the welfare recipient, and you end up with cases where the requirements prevent the needful from getting anything. One radical solution is to just give the poor money and let them spend it on what they need. The few experiments that have been done have shown that the loss due to misuse is less than the cost of rigorously preventing misuse.

Unfortunately, this is tied up in the rhetoric about welfare queens and the political rhetoric of the undeserving poor. Some people don't want to help the poor unless the poor are really humble and thankful for whatever they get.

Posted by Leorning Cniht (# 17564) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Palimpsest:
There's an ongoing debate over giving things to the poor rather than putting in extensive checks to make sure the poor aren't "misusing" the things.

About the only way you can "misuse" a free school lunch is by throwing it around the canteen. In fact, feeding all children school lunch has to be about the least susceptible to misuse of all benefits out there - I suppose there's always a chance that someone will sell his plate of pasta to another child, but that's about it.

Posted by Welease Woderwick (# 10424) on :

The throwback to The Poor Laws always amuses and angers me - and in UK [and thus many of the ex-colonies] it dates back at least to the dissolution of the monasteries, before the First Poor Law of 1600[?]. These days you get Fat Cats in Westminster and the media, most of whom are Not Exactly Poor, talking twaddle about benefit claimants abusing the system yet they say nothing about the old cronies system of how the remuneration of directors of large companies are determined.

I'm a Quaker and a pacifist and I sometimes think Bloody Revolution is the only way to go - or at least a decent increase in the tax burden of the wealthiest 5% of the population.

Posted by Palimpsest (# 16772) on :

The other issue with the school lunch program is that the funding for it is complicated. It includes Federal subsidies that vary depending on what percentage of the school children are poor and need lunch subsidy. This is further complicated by the US system of having schools be funded by the local district. This allows people who care about education for their children to move into a district with a tax rate but leaves the schools that get most of the poor children relatively underfunded and dependent on that federal subsidy.

[ 13. January 2014, 18:54: Message edited by: Palimpsest ]

Posted by Soror Magna (# 9881) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mere Nick:
I don't know for sure, but I'm fairly certain that the kids who did janitorial work at my high school were being paid. I doubt folks would be doing it for free. I don't know if they were related to other folks working at the school. ...

Wow. You don't know, but you're fairly sure, you doubt and you don't know. Well, I happen to know for sure that picking up litter was and is a common detention punishment in high school, and no, students did not get paid for picking up litter while on detention.

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