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Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
You can try it out here using your Ship user name and password.

Note that you'll need a recent version of Sun java. If you get a message to the effect that your browser doesn't know what to do with jnlp files, you need to upgrade here.*

The first time you use the café, the software will install itself on your machine. After that it should start up much more quickly.

Tell us what you think on this thread - we plan to tweak the interface ahead of the official April 1st launch. The main thing we want to check at this point is that the server is stable.

* ... if you are running Windows or Linux. For Mac users it will either just work or just not work, and in the latter case you need to pay $$$ to Apple in order to be able to use the software that everyone else gets for free.
 
Posted by Late Paul (# 37) on :
 
It's good. Nice clean simple interface. I'm not a huge fan of the speech bubbles thing but that's an aesthetic taste thing.

For the few minutes I was there it was stable. Quick too - the old digichat had a tendency to "pause" or be sluggish scrolling at times.

When I clicked on the Welcome button I got an empty square character instead of what I presume was supposed to be an accented e, in "Welcome to the Café", which is odd because the same character showed up fine in the chat window itself when Melon used it.

It's good to have the café back. Thanks to Melon, Gwaelod, Simon and everyone else involved.

[Big Grin]
 
Posted by amber32002 (# 11142) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Melon:
You can try it out here using your Ship user name and password.

Note that you'll need a recent version of Sun java. If you get a message to the effect that your browser doesn't know what to do with jnlp files, you need to upgrade here.*

The first time you use the café, the software will install itself on your machine. After that it should start up much more quickly.

Tell us what you think on this thread - we plan to tweak the interface ahead of the official April 1st launch. The main thing we want to check at this point is that the server is stable.

* ... if you are running Windows or Linux. For Mac users it will either just work or just not work, and in the latter case you need to pay $$$ to Apple in order to be able to use the software that everyone else gets for free.

Excellent - it works! Well done the team...

[ 15. March 2008, 09:56: Message edited by: amber32002 ]
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
Well, it didn't crash the whole time I was in there and the croc leather seats were very comfortable.

I like having our own avatars to take with us - that's the best feature.
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Come and join us now - holding up nicely.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
It's still up and running and working well.
 
Posted by sophs (# 2296) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Melon:
* ... if you are running Windows or Linux. For Mac users it will either just work or just not work, and in the latter case you need to pay $$$ to Apple in order to be able to use the software that everyone else gets for free.

Is this gonna be the case when the cafe goes live? 'cos if so...that sucks.

(The software, not Melon)
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
Yes - take it up with the leader of the Cult of Mac.
 
Posted by AdamPater (# 4431) on :
 
[Frown] not working with Debian "iceweasel" or "iceape" versions of Firefox.

Downloaded, installed and verified Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_05-b13, but the jnlp file is still not recognised. Must be my bad somewhere.
 
Posted by Real Ale Methodist (# 7390) on :
 
Very smooth sailing, I was subject to sudden streams of messages coming through all at once, but I presume that was just people "speaking" at the same time.

I think it is a bit much for my machine when I have everything else running in the background, mind. I will pop in again soon.
 
Posted by The Wanderer (# 182) on :
 
I'm afraid I'm getting nowhere too. When I register a box appears saying "Attempting connection to host" with a bar beneath it, but nothing happens after that - not even any green creeping up the bar. And on the original frame there is a little box that looks as though it wants me to tick it, but the instructions next to it are grey on blue, and I can't read them sadly.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
You have to load the new software on the link above first

I had to,

and then you download the cafe stuff
 
Posted by Real Ale Methodist (# 7390) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by sophs:
quote:
Originally posted by Melon:
* ... if you are running Windows or Linux. For Mac users it will either just work or just not work, and in the latter case you need to pay $$$ to Apple in order to be able to use the software that everyone else gets for free.

Is this gonna be the case when the cafe goes live? 'cos if so...that sucks.

(The software, not Melon)

Mine just worked, I never intentionally downloaded/bought it. I am running an old iBook G4 with Leopard.
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
Working here - and lots of fun too!
 
Posted by Jon J (# 11091) on :
 
Mine's working (Windows XP with Firefox). Love the layout. A job very well done.
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
Old Mac hardware should work fine, but you need a fairly recent version of OS X - I think 10.4 is the earliest that has a recent-enough version of java. Just be glad Gwaelod didn't use any java 1.7 features, as Steve Jobs refused to ship that with Leopard...

Wanderer, that sounds like a port issue. You need to open port 25424 of your firewall for TCP traffic.

AdamPater, Firefox uses completely different file associations to the rest of Linux, for reasons that have never been clear to me. Note that our software doesn't run in the browser at all - the browser passes it over to Java Webstart, and, if you save the desktop shortcut, you can then run it without starting your browser at all.
 
Posted by AdamPater (# 4431) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Melon:
AdamPater, ... if you save the desktop shortcut, you can then run it without starting your browser at all.

I don't understand. Do you mean to save the .jnlp file? I can read it with a text editor, and see that it is a lot of xml, but I have no idea what to do with it.
 
Posted by The Wanderer (# 182) on :
 
quote:
You have to load the new software on the link above first
Done that.
quote:
and then you download the cafe stuff
How?

quote:
Wanderer, that sounds like a port issue. You need to open port 25424 of your firewall for TCP traffic.
WHAT??? Can you put that more simply for a pc moron?
 
Posted by BroJames (# 9636) on :
 
I've just been aboard the Café [Cool]

It seems really stable. I like the interface. The only thing I wasn't sure about was how to leave. Do you just quit the Café app?

I'm running a Mac G4 iBook, OS X 10.4.11 with Java version J2SE 1.5.0_13.

Brilliant work everybody. [Smile]
 
Posted by ebeth (# 4474) on :
 
It appears to be working for me.
 
Posted by BroJames (# 9636) on :
 
DP to add that after I quit the Café app I relaunched Java Web Start which gave me the opportunity to create a desktop app. from the Café app 'Faverolle'. I think this option may have been offered when it first downloaded - but I didn't want to do it at that point. I have done now.
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
Wanderer, the first thing to try is turning off your firewall and seeing if that makes a difference (and then turning it back on).
 
Posted by AdamPater (# 4431) on :
 
There.. discovered what javaws is, and found that I can come in directly using it, or by explicitly associating .jnlp with javaws in firefox/iceweasel.

Unless I've done something silly in doing so [Help]
 
Posted by Rowen (# 1194) on :
 
went in, but lost it.
will talk to computer nerd friend asap.
looked good though.
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
Does anyone know what kind of Java I should download for Ubuntu Feisty Fawn?
 
Posted by Arrietty (# 45) on :
 
Got in OK but no-one said hello - I don't suppose I can blame the software for that though. [Biased]
 
Posted by Arrietty (# 45) on :
 
Everyone's talking to me now. [Smile]
 
Posted by pooka (# 11425) on :
 
Woooohooooo! It's working fine for me. Thank you for the hard work everyone. I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. [Overused]
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
Whatever you are running, the answer is "Sun Java", because none of the other versions do Java Webstart properly. I'm using Ubuntu myself, although I think I installed java manually from the Sun website rather than via adept/synaptic.
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
Arrietty is talking to me. Can I blame that on the software?
 
Posted by Arrietty (# 45) on :
 
I can't see what I'm typing in your private room so it looks like the anti-Arrietty feature has kicked in.

The log says

quote:
Chat rect 4835 4835
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<speech from="a495">yeah</speech>'
Consuming speech
Bubble not null
Chat rect 4832 4832
Buffer position = 0
<speak>well a private room allows a private convo between more than two people</speak>

<speak>oh</speak>

<speak>I can't see what I'm typing now</speak>

ETA - I can't move rooms either so it looks as if I've been frozen out.

Not for the first time. [Snigger]

[ 15. March 2008, 12:45: Message edited by: Arrietty ]
 
Posted by Gwai (# 11076) on :
 
Is very cool!
I love keeping my avatar with me.
If comments are wanted: The small text is, at least on my screen, too small to read happily, even if you have quite good eyes.
 
Posted by AdamPater (# 4431) on :
 
One annoying feature is that the private conversation windows snatch focus. This interrupts one's typing very inconveniently. Some conversations need to be separated!

Otherwise great... seemed very robust and fun. It's nice to 'see' friends again.
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Melon:
Whatever you are running, the answer is "Sun Java", because none of the other versions do Java Webstart properly. I'm using Ubuntu myself, although I think I installed java manually from the Sun website rather than via adept/synaptic.

Thanks Melon. The instructions on the Sun website looked a bit complicated for me - so I went to the Ubuntu pages. Seems to be working fine so far.
 
Posted by DaisyM (# 9098) on :
 
Got in when I did the java download thingie
Very nicely arranged! Looks like people were doing the quick tour--or else only my avatar showed up in any rooms except the bridge!

Not being a computer geek, i can't even imagine the amount of work this took, but thank you, thank you!

[Overused]
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
If you put up the list of rooms you can see the number of people in each room, and double click on the name to join them.

We've created a room and are all in there atm. [Smile]
 
Posted by Nigel M (# 11256) on :
 
User Acceptance Testing seems to be Looking Foolish and ready for April 1!

If there's an option for any Requests for Change - the small type option comes up too small to read on screen.

Otherwise, the window came up OK on Ubuntu with Firefox.

Well done!
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
Please do post your feedback here. I can't promise that we'll make any changes you suggest, but I can pretty much guarantee that we won't make any changes you don't suggest...
 
Posted by Pânts (# 999) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Late Paul:
It's good. Nice clean simple interface. I'm not a huge fan of the speech bubbles thing but that's an aesthetic taste thing.


 
Posted by davelarge (# 186) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Late Paul:
It's good. Nice clean simple interface. I'm not a huge fan of the speech bubbles thing but that's an aesthetic taste thing.

It's more than that - the bubbles take up so much space. I think it'll be awkward to follow a conversation if there's more that three or four people in a room at once.

Edited to add - If others like the speech bubbles, then how about an option to turn them off (like the decaff option)?

[ 15. March 2008, 14:20: Message edited by: davelarge ]
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
To switch the bubbles off or change them so you can see more of the conversation, you can:

 
Posted by Gracious rebel (# 3523) on :
 
OK dumb question, how do I find out what my password is? I'm permanently logged on here and I have no idea what it is!! I must have had it sent to me in an email sometime, but I can't find it.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
Has the answer

The cafe doesn't let you post url links
 
Posted by Ags (# 204) on :
 
Not dumb! Log out of the Boards, then try to log in again. Follow the 'Lost Password' link & the lovely Erin or one of her minions will email it to you. [Smile]

(X-posted!)

[ 15. March 2008, 14:42: Message edited by: Ags ]
 
Posted by Gracious rebel (# 3523) on :
 
that's rather scary though, having to log out ... I mean what if I can't get back in again!!?!
 
Posted by Gwaelod (# 6140) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Melon:
Just be glad Gwaelod didn't use any java 1.7 features, as Steve Jobs refused to ship that with Leopard...

Leopard comes with 1.5. 1.6 is what most people will be running on other systems. 1.7 isn't quite out yet for anybody. 1.6 is still in testing by Apple.

The software won't work with Mac OS 10.3 and lower. For all other Mac users it should just work. It's because Apple manage Java for the OS, and not Sun.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
If you follow the link, it says anywhere you have to sign in will allow you to click on the lost password link.

and how to change your password to one you remember
 
Posted by amber32002 (# 11142) on :
 
When people change rooms, it says they've left. Any chance of a different message to show they've swapped rather than abandoned chat altogether?
Many thanks [Smile]
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Gwaelod:
1.6 is what most people will be running on other systems.

Well, yes, because otherwise they'd have to develop one version of the code for Macs and another version for everyone else. Full story here.
 
Posted by davelarge (# 186) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
To switch the bubbles off... you can:

I thought that I tried that and the bubbles persisted. Maybe I'm wrong, I'll have to go and check...
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
The bubbles persist, but they have more room to bubble.
 
Posted by Living in Gin (# 2572) on :
 
Seems to work well for me, although I haven't tried all the features. Well done!
 
Posted by RuthW (# 13) on :
 
The bubbles take up way too much room, even with the decaff option -- it's the vertical space they hog that bugs me -- too much of the conversation disappears too quickly up the screen. Otherwise, fabulous! [Yipee]

[ 15. March 2008, 16:20: Message edited by: RuthW ]
 
Posted by Flausa (# 3466) on :
 
Minor thing. Can you capitalize the "m" in "Ship's mess" so that it matches the other titiles?
 
Posted by Gort (# 6855) on :
 
Works great! Congrats to the Ship's codecrunchers! Nice touch with the Molly and Gambit tributes! [Cool]
 
Posted by Flausa (# 3466) on :
 
Just got this error message and was booted:

quote:
Unexpected disconnection (java.io.EOFException)
java.io.DataInputStream : readByte at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 119
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1



[ 15. March 2008, 16:29: Message edited by: Flausa ]
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
I've finally been kicked out with same error message as Arrietty got, and trying to sign back in got:
quote:
O Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect)
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : socketConnect at line -2
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : doConnect at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connectToAddress at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 97
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1


 
Posted by frin (# 9) on :
 
I also got disconnected at the same point. When I tried to reload the programme I got this error message after entering user name and password:

IO Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect)
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : socketConnect at line -2
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : doConnect at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connectToAddress at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 97
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1
 
Posted by Autenrieth Road (# 10509) on :
 
I was just on the Cafe at the same time as Curiosity killed... and I got this:
quote:
Unexpected disconnection (java.io.EOFException)

java.io.DataInputStream : readByte at line -1

uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 119

java.lang.Thread : run at line -1

I hadn't done anything either immediately before it happened, it just popped up. Well, I had unplugged my laptop to carry it into the livingroom, but that doesn't seem like it ought to cause anything.

[ 15. March 2008, 16:35: Message edited by: Autenrieth Road ]
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Autenrieth Road:
I was just on the Cafe with Curiosity killed... and I got this:

code:
Unexpected disconnection (java.io.EOFException)
java.io.DataInputStream : readByte at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 119
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1

I hadn't done anything either immediately before it happened, it just popped up. Well, I had unplugged my laptop to carry it into the livingroom, but that doesn't seem like it ought to cause anything.
We were both booted out at the same time. I haven't tried to get back in. (I take it as a sign that I have other things to do!)
 
Posted by Autenrieth Road (# 10509) on :
 
Oh look, I'm getting the same error message when I try to reconnect as Curiosity killed... and frin. Did Curiosity kill... the cafe, or has the cafe been frinished [Biased] ?
 
Posted by Lowly Worm (# 11663) on :
 
Oh good, it's not just me who's been rejected, then. I was starting to develop a complex; feeling lowly, as it were...
 
Posted by Jengie Jon (# 273) on :
 
Another one who cannot log back in. Same sort of message.

Jengie
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
It had indeed died. It's back again now. I blame it on Gort's message of congratulation.
 
Posted by Gort (# 6855) on :
 
[Hot and Hormonal] I thought it was because I exited the ship's chat a little too abruptly and caused it to capsize or something.
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
Actually, that's more likely to have done it. I knew it had to be your fault, I just didn't know why.

I have a newer version of the software to try - I'll install it a bit later.
 
Posted by Gort (# 6855) on :
 
[Sigh] I've never been known for delicacy. [Frown]

[is there a prefered method of exit? I simply closed the window.]
 
Posted by amber32002 (# 11142) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Melon:
Actually, that's more likely to have done it. I knew it had to be your fault, I just didn't know why.

I have a newer version of the software to try - I'll install it a bit later.

I'd suspected the capsizing was because of one of those submarines that gets lost...but it's all working again now (fingers crossed)
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
Gort, seriously, closing the window should be fine, but the problems we've been chasing over the past few months have been related to disconnections, so I wouldn't be surprised if this one is too.

(edited to make a bit more sense)

[ 15. March 2008, 17:28: Message edited by: Melon ]
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
but you wanted us to see if we could break it [Smile] just to see if the bugs were fixed, didn't you?
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
Indeed, and it's doing a lot better than on any of the previous trials, so I'm not entirely suicidal.
 
Posted by Gort (# 6855) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Melon:
Gort, seriously, closing the window should be fine...

Wheew. The timing of the crash and my exit was just too obvious. I'll try lingering over goodbyes next time!
 
Posted by Gort (# 6855) on :
 
I've found the problem!
quote:
O Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect)
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : socketConnect at line -2
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : doConnect at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connectToAddress at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : disconnect all at Gort logoff -1

Remove that "disconnect all" line in the code and you should be good to go!
 
Posted by jlg (# 98) on :
 
I still can't past the big blue box. *sigh*
 
Posted by amber32002 (# 11142) on :
 
I still hold to my original theory, or how else do we explain this [Paranoid] :

IO Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect) IO Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect)
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : socketConnect at line -2
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : doConnect at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connectToAddress at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : zzzttzzt...Captain, confirmed heading at six zero degrees... depth 3metres, 2 metres, 1 metre, surfacing…arrghh!!!…Dive Dive Dive! Emergency! Zzzstzzzt…
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : disconnect at line -1

 
Posted by Jon J (# 11091) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by amber32002:
I still hold to my original theory, or how else do we explain this [Paranoid] :

IO Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect) IO Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect)
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : socketConnect at line -2
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : doConnect at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connectToAddress at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : zzzttzzt...Captain, confirmed heading at six zero degrees... depth 3metres, 2 metres, 1 metre, surfacing…arrghh!!!…Dive Dive Dive! Emergency! Zzzstzzzt…
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : disconnect at line -1

I need to stop staring at the screen quite so intently - I'm reading PlainSocket as SockPuppet, I keep wondering "how do they know?"

[ 15. March 2008, 18:39: Message edited by: Jon J ]
 
Posted by amber32002 (# 11142) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jon J:
quote:
Originally posted by amber32002:
I still hold to my original theory, or how else do we explain this [Paranoid] :

IO Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect) IO Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect)
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : socketConnect at line -2
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : doConnect at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connectToAddress at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : zzzttzzt...Captain, confirmed heading at six zero degrees... depth 3metres, 2 metres, 1 metre, surfacing…arrghh!!!…Dive Dive Dive! Emergency! Zzzstzzzt…
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : disconnect at line -1

I need to stop staring at the screen quite so intently - I'm reading PlainSocket as SockPuppet, I keep wondering "how do they know?"
Sonar feedback, probably [Paranoid]
 
Posted by Spiffy da WonderSheep (# 5267) on :
 
Yay Cafe!

...Crap, now I have to learn how to install things on my twee Linux machine.
 
Posted by Ags (# 204) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jlg:
I still can't past the big blue box. *sigh*

Nor me!
Tried it with Firewall on - no.
Off - no.

Meh [Frown]
 
Posted by Lowly Worm (# 11663) on :
 
YAY! I'm in now. Looks fun. [Big Grin]

Small problem... My avatar isn't showing up for me... about half the people in the room can see it, and the other half cannot.

Any suggestions?
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
I, and a few others, had problems with the private message popping up when typing in the main discussion and half the message ending up in the private message box. It happens when the private message is answered.

Also, would it be worth adding information about Gambit and Miss Molly in the bar and chapel? I've had a couple of conversations with people not knowing who Gambit in particular was.
 
Posted by Chelley (# 11322) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ags:
quote:
Originally posted by jlg:
I still can't past the big blue box. *sigh*

Nor me!
Tried it with Firewall on - no.
Off - no.

Meh [Frown]

I had that trouble - and was apparently logged in a few hours ago even though my blue box window kept closing. I downloaded the new software and now it's working fine.
 
Posted by Chelley (# 11322) on :
 
Did closing the window log me out, by the way? (Couldn't see a logout button!)
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
yes you are out
 
Posted by Auntie Doris (# 9433) on :
 
It's working for me now.. very snazzy!!

Auntie Doris x
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
OK, I have to ask: Why is the cafe named after a chicken?
 
Posted by Fool of a Took (# 7412) on :
 
quote:

Received XML = '<xcr:message category="term" message_id="bad_command_attribute_type">The user attribute is of the wrong type</xcr:message>'
Disconnected
Unexpected disconnection (java.io.EOFException)
java.io.DataInputStream : readByte at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 119
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1

My user attribute appears to be of the wrong type.
[Frown]

I feel so... snubbed.
 
Posted by Ann (# 94) on :
 
I'm running Win XP with Firefox. I get as far as the blue login, put my name and password (and I've checked it against the Firefox Password option) and nothing happens.

I have NoScript - would that make a difference and, if so, what should I put in the whitelist?
 
Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :
 
Overall, quite nice already!

A couple of suggestions:
But the big one:

 
Posted by Spiffy da WonderSheep (# 5267) on :
 
Gave up on trying to figure out how to install anything on my EEE since the terminal window on a 7 inch screen is not kind to my old eyes.

But the good news is my Mac lets me on. YAY!
 
Posted by Siren's Call (# 13347) on :
 
I too keep getting an error:

"Unexpected disconnection (java.io.EOFException)
java.io.DataInputStream : readByte at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 119
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1"

It doesn't appear that Gort signed off or Scotty tried to beam me up.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
OK crunch again - error message:
quote:
Unexpected disconnection (java.io.EOFException)
java.io.DataInputStream : readByte at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 119
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1


 
Posted by Lynn MagdalenCollege (# 10651) on :
 
Well, I had a fun little 20-30 minutes and then got bumped out with:
quote:
Unexpected disconnection (java.io.EOFException)
java.io.DataInputStream : readByte at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 119
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1

for what it's worth.

Gotta go learn Hebrew, so I'll play more later!
 
Posted by Spiffy da WonderSheep (# 5267) on :
 
I got tossed overboard with this missive:

quote:
Unexpected disconnection (java.io.EOFException)
java.io.DataInputStream : readByte at line 243
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 119
java.lang.Thread : run at line 613

Then I tried to get back and got this one:

quote:
IO Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused)
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : socketConnect at line -2
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : doConnect at line 333
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connectToAddress at line 195
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connect at line 182
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : connect at line 430
java.net.Socket : connect at line 520
java.net.Socket : connect at line 470
java.net.Socket : <init> at line 367
java.net.Socket : <init> at line 180
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 97
java.lang.Thread : run at line 613

It occured just about the time my online game automator for Kingdom of Loathing (also JAVA based) finished a run.
 
Posted by Arrietty (# 45) on :
 
I was inactive for quite a while - oer an hour - and it didn't boot me, but just after a burst of activity from me it chucked me out with this error message:

quote:
Unexpected disconnection (java.io.EOFException)
java.io.DataInputStream : readByte at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 119
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1

and the last bit of the logger said:

quote:
Consuming speech
Bubble not null
Chat rect 4936 4936
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<speech from="a821">God loves me now!</speech>'
Consuming speech
Bubble not null
Chat rect 4938 4938
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<user_counts>
<user_count roomid="reception" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room1" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room2" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room3" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room4" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room5" n="8"/>
<user_count roomid="room6" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room7" n="0"/>
</user_counts>'
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<speech from="a864">EXACTLY!!!</speech>'
Consuming speech
Bubble not null
Chat rect 4938 4938
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<user_counts>
<user_count roomid="reception" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room1" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room2" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room3" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room4" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room5" n="8"/>
<user_count roomid="room6" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room7" n="0"/>
</user_counts>'
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<speech from="a840">bye AD (too late)</speech>'
Consuming speech
Bubble not null
Chat rect 4936 4936
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<user_counts>
<user_count roomid="reception" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room1" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room2" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room3" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room4" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room5" n="8"/>
<user_count roomid="room6" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room7" n="0"/>
</user_counts>'
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<speech from="a821">But that rmeinds me, I have to get to the 7-11 and purchase a powerball ticket</speech>'
Consuming speech
Bubble not null
Chat rect 4938 4938
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<user_counts>
<user_count roomid="reception" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room1" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room2" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room3" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room4" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room5" n="8"/>
<user_count roomid="room6" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room7" n="0"/>
</user_counts>'
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<user_counts>
<user_count roomid="reception" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room1" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room2" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room3" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room4" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room5" n="8"/>
<user_count roomid="room6" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room7" n="0"/>
</user_counts>'
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<user_counts>
<user_count roomid="reception" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room1" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room2" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room3" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room4" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room5" n="8"/>
<user_count roomid="room6" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room7" n="0"/>
</user_counts>'
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<speech from="a840">gambling is not seeding, spiff</speech>'
Consuming speech
Bubble not null
Chat rect 4938 4938
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<user_counts>
<user_count roomid="reception" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room1" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room2" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room3" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room4" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room5" n="8"/>
<user_count roomid="room6" n="0"/>
<user_count roomid="room7" n="0"/>
</user_counts>'
Disconnected
Unexpected disconnection (java.io.EOFException)
java.io.DataInputStream : readByte at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 119
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1


 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
Message when I tried to get back in was:
quote:
IO Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect)
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : socketConnect at line -2
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : doConnect at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connectToAddress at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 97
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1

prolly a good thing really - I need to concentrate on the other multitasking option
 
Posted by sabine (# 3861) on :
 
I just got tossed, too--same error message.

sabine
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Same for me...
 
Posted by aj (# 1383) on :
 
EXTREMELY FRUSTRATED

Emma can log in without a hitch, but I can't. Same computer (Mac 10.4 with current version of Java).

Is it fussy about passwords with numbers in them?

I've tried while both logged-in and logged-out of the Ship.
 
Posted by Arrietty (# 45) on :
 
Attempting to reconnect gets me:

quote:
IO Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect)
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : socketConnect at line -2
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : doConnect at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connectToAddress at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 97
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1


 
Posted by luvanddaisies (# 5761) on :
 
me too, also, similarly, as above.
[Waterworks]
 
Posted by Jon J (# 11091) on :
 
And me, but it worked perfectly this morning.
 
Posted by sabine (# 3861) on :
 
Maybe it has to get up early tomorrow.
[Smile]
sabine
 
Posted by aj (# 1383) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by aj:
EXTREMELY FRUSTRATED

Emma can log in without a hitch, but I can't. Same computer (Mac 10.4 with current version of Java).

Is it fussy about passwords with numbers in them?

I've tried while both logged-in and logged-out of the Ship.

I tried changing my password to something without numbers, but no help. Pressing `connect' does nothing - no progress bar, no nothing.

Entering my username incorrectly, or entering any old gibberish throws up the error boxes.

[ 15. March 2008, 22:27: Message edited by: aj ]
 
Posted by ebeth (# 4474) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Arrietty:
Attempting to reconnect gets me:

quote:
IO Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect)
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : socketConnect at line -2
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : doConnect at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connectToAddress at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 97
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1


Logged on and chatted fine this morning and now I get this message when I try to log in.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
we broke it again, aj and ebeth, so no-one can play until someone comes and sorts it out again
 
Posted by Emma. (# 3571) on :
 
Ah that would explain it...

I've just tried to log in on my nice shiny laptop and it won't let me in [Waterworks] I thought as I had managed to get in earlier it would let me in... but no ....
 
Posted by luvanddaisies (# 5761) on :
 
Did we all fall overboard at the same time then?
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
Looks like we did luvanddaisies.
 
Posted by luvanddaisies (# 5761) on :
 
At least it was egalitarian then. I feel somehow better knowing I wasn't the only one who got unceremoniously chipped into the swirling deep.
 
Posted by DaisyM (# 9098) on :
 
I was on about 3 times earlier today and just now I twice got the same lovely message the rest of you have been getting.
 
Posted by Potoroo (# 13466) on :
 
Me too [Frown]
 
Posted by Gwaelod (# 6140) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by rufiki:
OK, I have to ask: Why is the cafe named after a chicken?

All my coding projects of late have been named after the breeds of my chickens. I'm currently building a CMS called Orpington.

I'm going to need some more hens soon or else I won't be able to take on any new projects.
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
Nice. [Cool]
 
Posted by jedijudy (# 333) on :
 
I tried at lunch time to get in, and again now that I'm home from w*rk. (Halleluia)

This is all I've gotten so far:


IO Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect)
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : socketConnect at line -2
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : doConnect at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connectToAddress at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 97
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1


[Waterworks]
 
Posted by Jillyb (# 4610) on :
 
same as above [Frown]
 
Posted by jlg (# 98) on :
 
As was stated earlier, the Cafe is down and broken for the moment. Since I suspect that melon and others who know how to fix it are all in time-zones such that they are asleep, it won't be up again for quite some hours.
 
Posted by Emma-Jean (# 7165) on :
 
Me too! *sniff*

And I've been waiting all patiently and everything!
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Ok, we're open for business again.
 
Posted by aj (# 1383) on :
 
Very frustrated.

Emma can log in from either of my Macs, but I can't. Has my username and password been blacklisted or something? I changed my password yesterday to one without numbers, wondering if it would work, but no luck. Does the Cafe update its password records straightaway?

I got my Ship password emailed to me to make sure I had the right one.
 
Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :
 
Re those of us permanently logged in who don't remember our passwords:

Go to My Profile, then click on View/Change Profile. In the Password box, clear out the old password and type a new one. BUT make sure you've typed it correctly and written it down--it doesn't ask you to confirm it. THEN try logging out and back in.

{Thought we should save Erin and/or the server some work.) [Biased]


BTW, I can't get into the cafe from this computer--it can't handle higher levels of Java. I do have another, and will try from there.

[ 16. March 2008, 10:27: Message edited by: Golden Key ]
 
Posted by aj (# 1383) on :
 
My username is only three characters long and is the one I've always had AFAIK. Is this too short for the Cafe's log-in system?

Here's what happens:

1) Enter username, enter password (having just done a Ship log-out-log-in to confirm password works).

Check logging box.
Press connect.
Nothing happens whatsoever.

2) Enter username slightly differently - e.g. ship-registered-email username (which is eight characters). Enter password.

Check logging box
Press connect
Error log box appears, as per the description of others.


Same result whether I try on a Mac or PC. It's all working fine for Emma on either machine.
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
Spiffy, I think the café should 'just work' with Firefox on the EeePC - St Pixels LIVE certainly does. Last night I tried the café using Kubuntu installed on an EeePC and that worked too, once I had installed Sun Java (although you can't change rooms because the menu falls off the bottom of the screen).

AJ, I'll have a look at the username/password thing.

Everyone else, it looks like there are still some kinks to be got out of the server software, although it's holding up a lot better than last time we tried with real users. The problem is almost certainly on the level of what happens when someone disconnects, gets disconnected, has a power cut or whatever. There are quite a large number of possibilities, and the documentation about what happens in each case is vague (and, in some cases, wrong), so it's probably going to be a case of proceeding one crash at a time.

The good news is that Pease is going to set up the café so that it restarts itself in the case of sudden death, as well as recording its suicide note. Once he does that the café shouldn't be down for more than half an hour at a time, and we should also get the diagnostics we need to fix the problem.
 
Posted by DaisyM (# 9098) on :
 
Again, bless you Melon, Pease and all the others who are working on this!!
BTW: 've been using Firefox as my browser, and didn't have a problem until the error messages everyone was getting.

[ 16. March 2008, 11:57: Message edited by: DaisyM ]
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
Has it gone again, or is it just me not getting in?
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
Gwaelod did the client-side programming (the bit you get to see) on the basis of Simon's artwork. Pease tidies up the mess we keep making of his server.
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
It had gone, but it's back now.
 
Posted by DaisyM (# 9098) on :
 
Kind of like the Holy Spirit--the wind that blows where it wills!!!!

[Big Grin]
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Thanks for all the work, Monsieur Le Melon and may pease be with you, and us. [Cool]
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
AJ, it looks to me like short usernames and passwords should be ok. If you have any exotic characters in your password you might want to try removing them (although anything you can see written on a US/UK keyboard at least really ought to be ok).

You might like to make your password a little longer too while you are there, especially having given several large hints about it on this thread [Smile]
 
Posted by Gwaelod (# 6140) on :
 
It seems odd though that AJ gets an error when the password is incorrect, but nothing when it isn't. Doesn't sound like a username / password issue to me. Probably more to do with firewalls etc.
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
But Emma isn't getting that problem, on the same machines, presumably on the same Internet connection.
 
Posted by Emma-Jean (# 7165) on :
 
Okay now I get a different error message, something about "Unexpected disconnection (java.io.EOFEexcetion)"....etc.

Re: names, having a hyphen in my name isn't a problem is it?

I'm on a mac, which I just got a little over a week ago, my first mac, maybe I'm just clued out about something, but so far I haven't been able to get in, hmph.
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
Hyphens would have been a problem - I've added hyphens and underscores to allowed characters in usernames - they should work after the next restart, ie the next time it crashes or when Pease restarts it in a while.

If anyone has other non-alphanumeric characters in their username, please drop me a PM.
 
Posted by Ann (# 94) on :
 
If I put in my name (my registered name and screen name are the same), nothing happens.

If I put an 'e' on the end, I get a logging report (which obviously tells me that is doesn't know the name/password combination).

I've just tried random letters for the user name - the report doesn't fire until there are at least four letters (for me).
 
Posted by Anselm (# 4499) on :
 
Bloody fantastic job.
Thanks for all your hard work on this.
 
Posted by Fineline (# 12143) on :
 
I went into the chatroom today. I like it a lot, and find it much better than the old one, because it shows the avatars, so it's not confusing to keep track of who is posting. I like that it is easy on the eyes and has options to make the font bigger. Thanks to everyone who made this chatroom. [Smile]
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
All comments appreciated. Remember - official opening April 1st.
 
Posted by jlg (# 98) on :
 
Is it possible it expects at least four characters in a username? Since Ann, aj, and I can't get past the big blue box?
 
Posted by luvanddaisies (# 5761) on :
 
ok, not in cafe atm bucause am at w*rk and really would get nothing done if I was, but am taking a 5 minute concentration break.
Thought I'd share my thoughts, exciting as they aren't, on the refurbished cafe.

The Look strikes me as very good - fits well with the look of The Ship, and the room names are good.

i also like the real community feel that naming the chapel after Miss Molly and the bar after Gambit gives. If there is a space where that could be explained, perhaps with links to relevant limbo-ed threads, that might be really helpful for and interesting to newbies.
It's also clear to read and intuitive to navigate.

I really like having people's avatars display - it's like seeing their 'faces'.

Am using a Mac laptop, running Tiger, browsing with Safari, and had no problem getting in or anything up until something in the cafe called 'time' on a bunch of us last night [Big Grin] .

Clever, clever people who made it! [Overused]
 
Posted by Gwaelod (# 6140) on :
 
Okay, I think I've got to the bottom of the 'login with small usernames' issue. There's now a slightly updated version on the server - when you next run the cafe software it should automatically update.
 
Posted by Ann (# 94) on :
 
Woo-hoo! Thanks, Gwaelod!

And I love the Welcome message!

I think I've used up my quota of exclamation marks for this month.
 
Posted by Siren's Call (# 13347) on :
 
That changed the error that I'm getting. It now says "Unknown error: the user attribute is of the wrong type."

Could be the apostrophe in the user name.
 
Posted by Ags (# 204) on :
 
I'm in! Cool. Nicely done, you guys. [Overused]
 
Posted by sophs (# 2296) on :
 
I love the room names.

[Smile]
 
Posted by Late Paul (# 37) on :
 
Just crashed on me. Before it did it was very slow. It's not my internet connection which is fine otherwise.
 
Posted by Gwaelod (# 6140) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Siren's Call:
Could be the apostrophe in the user name.

Very likely, mark will know what data the server is receiving here, and why it is reporting this error. I would wait until he is around again to check.
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
I've just restarted the café with a few changes to which user names are accepted (and a capital M for Mess for whoever wanted that).
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
Late Paul, our experience with St Pixels LIVE suggests that ISPs sometimes do silly things with chat-type packets that don't affect web surfing or email. (We get the same symptoms with both the café and St Pixels LIVE, sometimes, for some users, despite the server software being written in different languages by different people.)
 
Posted by Late Paul (# 37) on :
 
(hoping this gets through)

Speed's fine again now, but now the boards are slow and I have now failed twice to post to this thread.
 
Posted by Eutychus (# 3081) on :
 
OK, it works here, but at least on my display the "small" font is illegible.

Can the chat window be made bigger and the icons smaller? There's not much room for text and I imagine that if there are quite a few people having a discussion, it's going to be really hard to keep track with so few sentences being visible at once.

In the meantime, congratulations for getting the whole thing afloat!
 
Posted by aj (# 1383) on :
 
All working now...

Thanks folks
 
Posted by Jillyb (# 4610) on :
 
I'm enjoying a nice chat in the new cafe but there seems to be a problem with the scrolling - it seems to slow down then stop altogether for a while then everything whizzes past and it's moving again.

Also, if you doubleclick to change rooms a message comes up saying room change failed yet you are in fact in the room you clicked on.

It's good to have a cafe again [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Gwaelod (# 6140) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Eutychus:
Can the chat window be made bigger and the icons smaller? There's not much room for text and I imagine that if there are quite a few people having a discussion, it's going to be really hard to keep track with so few sentences being visible at once.

The Decaff option makes the icons so small you can't see them - this maximises the space for text. I will look at the font size settings in the next release of the software.
 
Posted by jlg (# 98) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Gwaelod:
Okay, I think I've got to the bottom of the 'login with small usernames' issue. There's now a slightly updated version on the server - when you next run the cafe software it should automatically update.

Hurrah! I was finally allowed in. Thanks so much.
 
Posted by Eutychus (# 3081) on :
 
Here's my take on the PM problem (having played around with this with Curiosity Killed...).

If you open a PM with someone, hitting 'return' when the PM window is active grabs any text the other person was typing in the main café text entry box. It puts everything they type after you hit return in the PM window and leaves the first part languishing in the main café text entry box. It's a great way to interrupt anyone you choose [Two face]
 
Posted by Eutychus (# 3081) on :
 
Some more comments:

Not having selectable text (let alone links) is a pain because you can't refer people easily to threads under discussion. Also some discussion at present about making the "rooms" view the first one you encounter to get a good overview.
 
Posted by Gracious rebel (# 3523) on :
 
Well I finally plucked up courage to change my password to something I knew (using Golden Key's method) and I got in fine. Agree about the chat boxes taking up lots of room - I tried small text but it was unreadable!

Nice interface though. Well done. I was never a cafe user before, but since ours has been offline I've begun to dabble in chat on another site, so feel a bit more comfortable about this sort of environment now - I'll probably be back!
 
Posted by DaisyM (# 9098) on :
 
yes, nice to see you and your socks there, gr
 
Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :
 
Thanks for all the hard work! [Smile]

I just tried the new cafe. It's pretty, though all the bright colors will take some getting used to.

Nice to have multiple rooms again, and nice touch with Molly and Gambit.

A few problems, IMHO:

--The text in the text box at the bottom doesn't enlarge when you choose the "very large" setting for text. I could barely see what I was typing. It was giving me a headache, so I left.

--On the room list, there's no defined place to click. Nothing underlines or lights up, and the pointer doesn't change. Confusing.

--There aren't any emoticons.

--No sound.
 
Posted by monkeylizard (# 952) on :
 
WOW! I like it. Very nice.

Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems that the only way to know everyone who's in the Cafe is to visit each room and see who's in it, one room at a time.

It could be helpful once a large number gets in to see a listing of users in each room w/o having to enter/leave each one.

Can the rooms list on the left be made to expand and show the shipmates in each room?
 
Posted by Late Paul (# 37) on :
 
Some sort of way of marking your status would be helpful - if you could mark yourself as "away" or "brb" or similar it would let others know that you were not actively watching that window rather than simply ignoring them.
 
Posted by Siren's Call (# 13347) on :
 
My issues have been resolved. Thank you for all of your hard work.
 
Posted by jedijudy (# 333) on :
 
WooHoo!!! Well done!
You who put the Cafe together are "Da Bomb"! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Emma-Jean (# 7165) on :
 
I got in! I got in! Sooo pretty, I like. Especially the Gator Lounge, reminds me of those fun times when Erin would come into the cafe to play with a troll [Smile]
 
Posted by Autenrieth Road (# 10509) on :
 
Wierd. I was trotting through the rooms quickly (for fun: to see their descriptions), and got stuck in Ship's Mess. I'd gone Bridge, Bar, Locker, Bilge, Chapel, Mess, and tried to click on Lounge, but didn't get transported to Lounge. The rooms all do turn yellow when I mouse over them.

In the room list it says there's 1 in Chapel, which I'm wondering if it's me. There are 2 on the Bridge (same 2 as when I came in I expect), and 0 everywhere else -- including 0 for Mess where I am currently!

The main window isn't responding to things I type to Chat, or trying to move rooms. The top buttons: The Rooms, Who's Here?, and Welcome all work, as does Decaff. The logger is only posting very abbreviated forms of what I'm trying to do, instead of the lengthy gobs of stuff it listed when I changed rooms successfully. It has a full listing for me for Chapel, but only partial for Mess, and then goes ultra-brief.
 
Posted by Autenrieth Road (# 10509) on :
 
Closed the Cafe, came right back in, everything's working again (ran around the rooms twice but this time everything is fine).
 
Posted by Penny Lane (# 3086) on :
 
Looks good. Once I looked up my login info, I had no prob getting in.
 
Posted by jlg (# 98) on :
 
Two comments:

The color contrast on the blue scroll-bar isn't clearly contrasted enough. I keep trying to pull it down and then realize the little bubble I'm looking at is the actual active part, not the 'future' I'm attempting to access.

I noted previous complaints about the slowness of the scrolling and while I'm not exactly sure about what the others were experiencing, I think I'm experiencing the same 'hesitations'.

When I was in with only one other active shipmate, all comments appeared so quickly after hitting ENTER that I was amazed. With four of us interacting I feel like I'm posting in glue.
 
Posted by Potoroo (# 13466) on :
 
I was able to get in! Thank you, all who made the new Chat Ship possible.

The conversation box seems very small...I agree with Eutychus:

quote:
Originally posted by Eutychus:
Can the chat window be made bigger and the icons smaller? There's not much room for text and I imagine that if there are quite a few people having a discussion, it's going to be really hard to keep track with so few sentences being visible at once.

In the meantime, congratulations for getting the whole thing afloat!


 
Posted by Eleanor Jane (# 13102) on :
 
Awesome- well done all who created it! It's working really well technically, basically no glitches at all.

Just one thought- does anyone else see the Ship as a big old fashioned wooden sailing ship? I'm sure people have mentioned nice piratical things like walking the plank, and pirates and rum and stuff... If so, maybe we could change the picture from a modern(ish) looking steamer.

Feel free to keel haul me if you don't like that idea... [Smile]

EJ
 
Posted by jlg (# 98) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jlg:
With four of us interacting I feel like I'm posting in glue.

It picked up again, but when I wanted to scroll back to check on what someone had said, it was Molasses Land once again. The others reported no problems.

I'm using Windows XP Home Edition (2002?) and Mozilla Firefox (of some vintage) and at least Java 1.5 (might be Java 1.6 - I haven't been able to determine whether it successfully loaded or not).
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
A few people have mentioned the 'slowing to a crawl after scrolling back' problem. Could those who have done so describe the symptoms (and also what operating system they are using)?
 
Posted by Dee. (# 5681) on :
 
Cool

I got in,

of course there is no one around to say hi to...but its really cool and I will be back for a yarn at some stage.
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Cafe has held up well all day. More invited to come in and bash it about a bit... [Biased]
 
Posted by sabine (# 3861) on :
 
I know others have posted about the speech bubbles, but I think they are going to keep me away from the cafe.

If there are more than two people posting, the bubbles disappear in a split second, so it's very hard to keep reading. Some things just get lost. And scrolling up to read just means that you lose what's currently being posted. And if you have more than a two-word response to type, the original post is lost to sight.

Is there any way to make more space for the posts?

It has not been a very satisfying experience for me, and I don't feel much like repeating it.

And I used to love chatting. [Frown]

sabine

[ 17. March 2008, 18:00: Message edited by: sabine ]
 
Posted by Autenrieth Road (# 10509) on :
 
Do you have it in a very small window sabine? I make mine as tall as the computer screen, and somewhat wider (though not full width) than it first shows up. So quite a few bubbles can fit at once, even with longer replies in them.

I agree in general the more responses can be fit vertically the better. I'm in love with the visuals of the new cafe though so I haven't yet gotten to a point where I feel like stuff is scrolling off too fast (which can happen either because lots of people are posting, and/or because one is doing other things at the same time and catching up in spurts, rather than watching each post like a hawk).
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Yes, your window must be minimised Sabine because I can comfortably view 10 sentences at any one time on my screen. [Confused]
 
Posted by frin (# 9) on :
 
Perhaps the room list ought to have a note that double clicking a room lets you enter it.

'frin
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Melon:
A few people have mentioned the 'slowing to a crawl after scrolling back' problem. Could those who have done so describe the symptoms (and also what operating system they are using)?

If you scroll back placing your curser in the white space it is slow motion. If you grab the slider with your curser and scroll it is normal.
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by lily pad:
quote:
Originally posted by Melon:
A few people have mentioned the 'slowing to a crawl after scrolling back' problem. Could those who have done so describe the symptoms (and also what operating system they are using)?

If you scroll back placing your curser in the white space it is slow motion. If you grab the slider with your curser and scroll it is normal.
Sorry, is normal speed when clicking on white space and is slow motion when clicking on the up and down arrows. When I leave the arrow depressed, it scrolls by very slowly.

I am using Firefox.
 
Posted by caty the southerner (# 11996) on :
 
Just been thrown overboard:

quote:
Cannot read XML from server (org.xml.sax.SAXParseException: Element type "user_coun" must be followed by either attribute specifications, ">" or "/>".)
com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.DOMParser : parse at line -1
com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.jaxp.DocumentBuilderImpl : parse at line -1
javax.xml.parsers.DocumentBuilder : parse at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : processData at line 296
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 138
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1


 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
Is the cafe dead for others atm?
 
Posted by caty the southerner (# 11996) on :
 
I can't get back in, Sioni
 
Posted by Autenrieth Road (# 10509) on :
 
Nope. I did have a slow patch just now, but don't know if that was my computer. By the time I did my "workarounds for forcing my other windows to display when one window is hogging focus and doing nothing", and cycled back to the cafe, it was normal again.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
Cafe is fine for me and a few of us in there - caty, you are showing as in the cafe!
 
Posted by Balaam (# 4543) on :
 
caty, your avatar uis still in the café.

You probably can't get in because the software thinks you're already there.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
caty, you've just shown as leaving now
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
Am I there? I can't get back in.

(nb, I'm using Firefox)
 
Posted by Balaam (# 4543) on :
 
Why do you enter a room by single clicking the map, yet double clicking the room name. A little inconsistant, especially as double clicking the map produces an error message.
 
Posted by caty the southerner (# 11996) on :
 
And now I can get back in. Hooray!
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
No Sioni, you aren't in the cafe
 
Posted by Eutychus (# 3081) on :
 
Doesn't work from my laptop.

The first time I tried it crashed the whole system.

The second time, it downloaded the app but then refused to open it because it could not verify the certificate with no corrective action (that I could find) possible.

Tried turning on and off my firewall to no avail. Running the latest version of Java, XP and Firefox.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
All Good from here. Brief visit - I won't be around much for a good while yet - thesis, day job, that sort of thing. [Disappointed] But well done, it's looking great and I look forward to the launch. [Overused]
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
Think IngoB has broken it this time - we've lost the main cafe but still have a private chat up!
 
Posted by Lookin (# 10855) on :
 
or did have ...

sorry curiosity ... thing went even weirder on me, so signed out

only now i cant sign back in, it wont seem to let me

L
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
I signed back in OK though
 
Posted by Lookin (# 10855) on :
 
k, i am back in too now, and all normal again
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
Just managed to do the same thing. IngoB set up a room with an odd name. I switched between The Rooms and Who's Here? menus and got stuck there. I had no headings, no chat window, just the avatars of those on board and the bit that lets you post on the chat board. I could set up private chat, and the stuff I posted in the box apparently appeared in the chat room, but I couldn't see anything of it.

Signing out and signing in again fixed it
 
Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
Just managed to do the same thing. IngoB set up a room with an odd name.

It's a reproducible error: just use a very long room name (I used a few hundred random chars). Then when anyone clicks on "Who's there" (including the person owning the room), one is dumped into a corrupt window as described by Curiosity killed...
 
Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :
 
If someone logs out while in a private chat, and reconnects, the old private chat window remains (for the person staying in), but is not reconnected to (by the person reconnecting). If either person tries to re-start the chat, it opens a new window (without closing the old one). Bug or feature?
 
Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :
 
When the cafe is fully up and running, will people be able to sign in as guests?

We need this--both for members who've gotten disconnected and can't get back in, and for new visitors.

Also...could the Decaff version of the cafe be *more* decaf?


Thanks!
 
Posted by Spiffy da WonderSheep (# 5267) on :
 
*is presently testing out the Ship's Mess. And is lonely.*
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
If IngoB says the window is corrupt, I think we should believe him [Devil] .

The server software is still crashing from time to time, but Pease has set up a daemon to check if it is running and restart it. So, if you can't get in, the chances are that it will be back within the hour. We're working on fixing the problem at the root of the crashes.

We're going to be talking about what to put on the cafe v2 to do list tomorrow, so do continue to post your thoughts and concerns.

[ 18. March 2008, 08:58: Message edited by: Melon ]
 
Posted by Late Paul (# 37) on :
 
Having used a few times now I have the following suggestions for v2:



 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
When I could get in I could not find an EXIT button! Maybe it was me, but I like them so that I can definitely get out and feel that I haven't left a ghost.

Could we have a 'Ship's Brig' please: Anyone who has been planked recently or under suspension could be named to inform les autres.
 
Posted by Autenrieth Road (# 10509) on :
 
Agree that the PM window grabbing focus is really annoying. I liked how the old cafe gave you the little message saying "so-and-so wants a private convo, click here". And then the window would go where you wanted it instead of always popping to the top whenever the other person typed. But maybe there are UI considerations about how best to alert people to and engage them in private convos?
 
Posted by Eleanor Jane (# 13102) on :
 
Also, what about the thing from the raft which says "Eleanor Jane is typing a rely". Might help during those long pauses where you wonder whether you've offended someone or they're wandering somewhere else on the Ship or they're talking to their children or whatever.

Might also help in conversations with lots of people so you can all take turns nicely. [Smile]

EJ
 
Posted by Potoroo (# 13466) on :
 
I second Eleanor Jane's idea:
quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Jane:
Also, what about the thing from the raft which says "Eleanor Jane is typing a rely". Might help during those long pauses where you wonder whether you've offended someone or they're wandering somewhere else on the Ship or they're talking to their children or whatever.

And I also agree with the provision of sound, so that when you're reading threads you know when someone else has arrived in the Chat Cafe...
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
Sorry AdamPater - my daughter and I were using the cafe in preference to msn and I was just about to log off so reading something else!

Sound please and urls to work.
 
Posted by Gwaelod (# 6140) on :
 
Small update this morning to fix the tiny font size bug.

'Small' is now readable.

More updates to follow.
 
Posted by Anselm (# 4499) on :
 
nice "small font"

Now, would it be possible to write into the program's code a way of filtering out the boring conversations?

On second thoughts, I'm not entirely sure where that would leave me...I probably wouldn't be able to read my own posts.
 
Posted by Lowly Worm (# 11663) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lowly Worm:

Small problem... My avatar isn't showing up for me... about half the people in the room can see it, and the other half cannot.


To The Powers that Be:

My avatar is still being flaky. In the cafe, my avatar is visible to only a few people. To the rest of us, it appears as a blank face. It's independent of decaf mode. And because it does appear to some people (as the lowly worm), I know that the software is recognizing it to some extent.

Also, I'm able to see other avatars just fine, as can the other people who are unable to see my avatar.

Is anyone else having any similar avatar issues?

It just seems curious that it's visible to some and not to others. Let me know if there's any troubleshooting you'd like me to try on my own system to narrow down the source of the problem.

-Lowly
 
Posted by Gwaelod (# 6140) on :
 
Lowly Worm,

I'm not sure exactly what the issue is with your avatar, but I do notice it is quite different than most. It is in a slightly funny format and is 176Kb in size. That's quite a lot for such a small image (most of the others are less then 4Kb) you could store it in a lossless format for less.

The software loads JPEGs using system libraries, I guess some cope with the quirky format better than others.

It's also stored in a different place on the server than most, although I'm not sure why that would cause a problem.
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
Just tried it out. Looks great. Can live with the speech bubbles (but there were only three of us in there, it may be different with lots of shipmates all talking). The private message grabbing the focus is a problem though. It's one thing if half your public message ends up in a private conversation, but worse if one private conversation steals another private one just as you hit return.

JtW.
 
Posted by Cruella (# 13502) on :
 
I made it there twice but was alone on The Bridge and no one else anywhere else on the ship.....

someone hand me a hanky....sniff...I feel sooo alone....
 
Posted by Cruella (# 13502) on :
 
must be my weird timezone or...
oh my!....
could it be...

ICEBERG!!

[Help]
 
Posted by Lowly Worm (# 11663) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Gwaelod:

I'm not sure exactly what the issue is with your avatar, but I do notice it is quite different than most.

Well, that would explain all my issues and feelings of being different, then.... [Biased]

But seriously... thanks for looking into this. I'll start exploring new avatar options.

~Lowly
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Hi folks,

Reading this thread, I'm looking forward to when I finally get my new machine in May (£700 budget from family)... will finally be able to join all of you - and get to some midweek meetings at St Pixels.

At the moment, I can't comment on the UI, unless I saw some screenshots...
 
Posted by Eutychus (# 3081) on :
 
Small text is legible when launched from IEX but not when launched from Firefox!

The wizards tell me that I can't get in on my laptop because some java recognition certificates or some such are missing from the hardware. Can anyone tell me how to go about restoring these?
 
Posted by Gracious rebel (# 3523) on :
 
I use Firefox and the small text is now legible for me. doesn't make that much difference though, as the avatars still take up the same space - could they be made to vary in size with the text size perhaps?
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
I really like the random focus-grabbing feature - I have learned so much about the private lives of St Pixels users that way.

Gwaelod, Pease, Simon and I came up with a to do list for the next rehash of the café, so at least some of you should be happier soon.
 
Posted by Gracious rebel (# 3523) on :
 
Just realised that my last comment is totally irrelevant, for although I use Firefox as my default browser, the cafe is launched in its own application isn't it? Confused at what Eutychus said now!
 
Posted by luvanddaisies (# 5761) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lowly Worm:


But seriously... thanks for looking into this. I'll start exploring new avatar options.

~Lowly

keep it as the famous worm though, Lowly - every time I see your avatar it makes me smile [Big Grin]
He's one of my all-time favourite characters - the little worm with the hat and the tie and the shoe [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Gracious rebel (# 3523) on :
 
Shoe, what shoe? [Confused]
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Gracious rebel:
Just realised that my last comment is totally irrelevant, for although I use Firefox as my default browser, the cafe is launched in its own application isn't it?

Yes, unless your different browsers are launching different versions of java, which is possible though unlikely (at least with Windows).
quote:
Confused at what Eutychus said now!
Don't worry, this is perfectly normal.
 
Posted by Eutychus (# 3081) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Melon:
quote:
Confused at what Eutychus said now!

Don't worry, this is perfectly normal.
My mind reels with sarcastic replies.

My first thought was, as Gracious Rebel says, that the browser shouldn't make any difference, but after getting "tiny" again after an update, I thought I'd try and see. The first launch today from a link on Firefox led to a download of the latest version, and I swear the first time I opened it thereafter the "small" was still tiny - it was the first thing I checked. So I tried again via IEX, got another download and lo! "normal" small size. I logged out and logged back in via the Firefox-based link to get a screengrab to prove my point, but too late - the "tiny" had become "small".
 
Posted by luvanddaisies (# 5761) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Gracious rebel:
Shoe, what shoe? [Confused]

Lowly Worm has a shoe - visible here, he drives an apple car, and his best friend is Huckle the Cat, and they all live in Busytown.
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
My guess is that you get one download copy per browser, so you are not necessarily looking at the same version of the software in each browser. Also, Java Web Start gets bored quite quickly if the website doesn't respond at once, so sometimes you don't get upgrades the first time.
 
Posted by Pânts (# 999) on :
 
There was no one in there. [Waterworks]
 
Posted by Arrietty (# 45) on :
 
I was in earlier and there was no-one else in then either. [Waterworks]
 
Posted by Esmeralda (# 582) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
When I could get in I could not find an EXIT button! Maybe it was me, but I like them so that I can definitely get out and feel that I haven't left a ghost.

Me too. All I could do was close the window. Am I missing something? (or is that one of those things that doesn't work for Mac users?)
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
Can people who wander in remember that there is no sound on the cafe? When in the cafe, if you are doing something else you don't get a warning that someone has arrived or said anything.
 
Posted by duchess (# 2764) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Pânts:
There was no one in there. [Waterworks]

I used an old mac at my brother's house last night...and after a decade, the java gui popped up and I logged right in with my dynamic, unique custom logo. [Big Grin]

But nobody was in there... [Frown]

Good Friday, but still! [Disappointed]
 
Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Esmeralda:
quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
When I could get in I could not find an EXIT button! Maybe it was me, but I like them so that I can definitely get out and feel that I haven't left a ghost.

Me too. All I could do was close the window. Am I missing something? (or is that one of those things that doesn't work for Mac users?)
Me three, and I'm on a PC.
 
Posted by Arrietty (# 45) on :
 
Why would you need an exit button?

You do know it's not a real room, don't you?

ETA - is leaving a ghost or not leaving a ghost anything to do with an exit button?

[ 23. March 2008, 00:07: Message edited by: Arrietty ]
 
Posted by Janine (# 3337) on :
 
In there now -- looks promising. Will enjoy it when there's sound. Speech bubbles not so bad if you're using the whole monitor screen.
 
Posted by Janine (# 3337) on :
 
Would be good if one could use copy-and-paste to add a quote or a url to a conversation.
 
Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :
 
It works fine on my iMAC. I didn't need to download anything. I like the speech bubbles, I guess, but I miss the sounds when people enter.
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
There's no exit button, and just closing the window shouldn't leave ghosts. (They should happen less than with digichat anyway. They are most likely to happen if your ISP goes on a go-slow, so that it takes a while for your disconnection to get as far as the server. This happens sometimes with ISPs that optimise their connections for web traffic by collecting up small packets of information rather than sending them as they arrive. TalkTalk is notorious for this.)
 
Posted by A Feminine Force (# 7812) on :
 
Well done, all chat cafe programmers! Really cute interface, functions well. Thank you so very much for your dedication and perseverence.

LAFF
 
Posted by Pânts (# 999) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
Can people who wander in remember that there is no sound on the cafe? When in the cafe, if you are doing something else you don't get a warning that someone has arrived or said anything.

Why are you in there if you're doing something else?
 
Posted by Gracious rebel (# 3523) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Pânts:
quote:
Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
Can people who wander in remember that there is no sound on the cafe? When in the cafe, if you are doing something else you don't get a warning that someone has arrived or said anything.

Why are you in there if you're doing something else?
Well actually I think curiosity killed lives in there! [Biased]
(based on the flimsiest of evidence I admit - I've only been in twice myself, and she was there both times)
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
Pânts, if I wander into the café and find no-one there, then staying there until someone arrives is an option, but not staring at a boring screen waiting for their arrival. So I go off and do something else.

We found a way of alerting people that there were others in the Café - by sending them a private message that pops up on top of the page they are viewing.
 
Posted by bbio (# 13236) on :
 
any idea anyone what


IO Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection timed out: connect)
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : socketConnect at line -2
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : doConnect at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connectToAddress at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 97
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1

might mean - as I can't get in.
 
Posted by A Feminine Force (# 7812) on :
 
I got that error when I thried to log in after being booted. I relaunched the browser and logged back in just fine. Don't know if that fixed it or if it was just a fluke.

LAFF
 
Posted by A Feminine Force (# 7812) on :
 
Sorry to double post, but may I put in a request for a sound alert when someone posts to the cafe? I missed saying goodbye to Wesley J today because I was looking for Curiosity's picture in All Saints.

LAFF
 
Posted by bbio (# 13236) on :
 
Thanks for suggestion, but I still hget the same error.

Anyone else any ideas?

This is frustrating!!
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
He'll live, will Wesley J. [Biased]

They're working on it, AFF.

Sorry, bbio, couldn't say what is wrong. I'm sure someone more knowledgeable will be here shortly.
 
Posted by bbio (# 13236) on :
 
I now get exactly the same error with Internet Explorer.

Ideas welcome.

I'd like to get some of the people here.

[Smile]
 
Posted by bbio (# 13236) on :
 
ummm - last line should have read - get to KNOW some of the people here!! [Hot and Hormonal]
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
same thing happened to me, AFF.

Also, we were trying to share links in the cafe today and discovered that it doesn't hyperlink anymore.
 
Posted by Cruella (# 13502) on :
 
is 0420 (if I have my GMT sorted with this crappy time change sorted out) and I'm in Cafe for a little bit if anyone is around.
 
Posted by Cruella (# 13502) on :
 
hmmm, another question occurs to me...
when new people arrive can I see them as they arrive? There's no "refresh" anf F5 doesn't do a thing to reload the page soooo....how would I know (in absence of sounds) if someone else shows up, other than closing and re-starting (and restarting takes forever because the program insists on installing each time), how can I know I'm not in Ship Cafe limbo?

[ 24. March 2008, 03:28: Message edited by: Cruella ]
 
Posted by Autenrieth Road (# 10509) on :
 
You don't have to do a screen refresh as far as I am aware.

People logging in show up automatically. If you are displaying "Who's Here", their icon will automatically appear there. Even if you're not viewing "Who's Here", or if you're in Decaff, when they enter a bubble will come up in the talking area saying "So-and-So enters". And usually they will then say something having entered, and what they say will also show up.

If you arrange your windows to be able to see an appropriate strip of the talking window, the movement of the window contents can sometimes catch your eye in the current absence of sounds.
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
As Autenreith Road says, it's not a browser application, so screen refreshes aren't something you need to worry about. The next reworking of the interface will make seeing who is around at the same time as chatting a little easier.
 
Posted by Anselm (# 4499) on :
 
I was wondering if it was possible to link the cafe to the boards in such a way so that when someone enters the cafe- everyone on the boards is notified so that they can join if they want... perhaps the icons for the cafe that are installed on people's desktops could flash...

well, it was just a thought...
 
Posted by Jonah the Whale (# 1244) on :
 
My connection broke suddenly when I was in the cafe (wireless problems) and now I can't get back in. I get the login screen but can't get anywhere with it. I presume it thinks I'm still in there. This is my error message (but I changed the password and userid).

Socket thread started
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<contexts>
<user_context xmlns:xcr="http://xcruciate.co.uk" id="a799" name="reception"/>
</contexts>'
Context changed event fired
<commands/>

Round trip = 100 milliseconds
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<abilities>
<user_ability xmlns:xcr="http://xcruciate.co.uk" id="a800" name="visitor"/>
</abilities>'
No consumer for nodes with name of 'abilities'
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<xcr:available_commands>
<xcr:command name="commands"/>
<xcr:command name="describe_commands"/>
<xcr:command name="describe_command"/>
<xcr:command name="registered"/>
<xcr:command name="unregistered"/>
</xcr:available_commands>'
New commands incoming
Command list complete for current context
New commands event fired
<registered pass="qwertyuiop" user="Jonah the Whale"/>

Round trip = 300 milliseconds
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Very swish - but I second whoever said the speech bubbles are a bit of an issue.

Nice to see the cafe back =)

DT
 
Posted by Cruella (# 13502) on :
 
OK, forget my "refresh" question last night. I saw people show up tonight at will (and thanks all for the great chat!)

Would be nice to have sounds on enter. But would be nicer to figure out how to half minimize the Cafe (I can't do that in either IE or Firefox) I have to half screen here and that's really annoying. But I can live with it.
 
Posted by Lynn MagdalenCollege (# 10651) on :
 
Sound would be nice - both for entrances and for posts.

It would also be nice if some of the smilies were enabled... and have we lost the ability to post links (or perhaps I didn't try the right thing!) - but thank you, to all you hard workers - you rock!
 
Posted by Legodude_uk (# 5671) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jonah the Whale:
My connection broke suddenly when I was in the cafe (wireless problems) and now I can't get back in. I get the login screen but can't get anywhere with it. I presume it thinks I'm still in there. This is my error message (but I changed the password and userid).

8< snip

Just had a similar problem to Jonah, was in, wireless connection dropped briefly, can't get back in now...

Socket thread started
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<contexts>
<user_context xmlns:xcr="http://xcruciate.co.uk" id="a1193" name="reception"/>
</contexts>'
Context changed event fired
<commands/>

Round trip = 188 milliseconds
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<abilities>
<user_ability xmlns:xcr="http://xcruciate.co.uk" id="a1194" name="visitor"/>
</abilities>'
No consumer for nodes with name of 'abilities'
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<xcr:available_commands>
<xcr:command name="commands"/>
<xcr:command name="describe_commands"/>
<xcr:command name="describe_command"/>
<xcr:command name="registered"/>
<xcr:command name="unregistered"/>
</xcr:available_commands>'
New commands incoming
Command list complete for current context
New commands event fired
<registered pass="qwertuiop" user="LDuk"/>

Round trip = 390 milliseconds
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<xcr:message category="term" message_id="registered_login_failed">Login attempt failed</xcr:message>'
Disconnected

(password and ID changed)

Thanks for all the work, looks great in there...but add me to the "not sure about the speech bubbles" list
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
The last log looks a lot to me like the password was wrong.

Cruella, you can resize the window using the usual controls top-right, or probably by dragging it to the desired size from the bottom righthand corner.
 
Posted by Legodude_uk (# 5671) on :
 
Password was right, it has allowed me back in now...although there is no-one to talk to [Frown]
 
Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :
 
Please, sirs, may we have some sound?
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
By memory, if you try to login when the server thinks you are logged in, the server will refuse your login and kick the previous version of you. In other words, if you get thrown out for whatever reason, it's worth having two goes at getting back in.

[ 25. March 2008, 16:35: Message edited by: Melon ]
 
Posted by monkeylizard (# 952) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Anselm:
I was wondering if it was possible to link the cafe to the boards in such a way so that when someone enters the cafe- everyone on the boards is notified so that they can join if they want... perhaps the icons for the cafe that are installed on people's desktops could flash...

well, it was just a thought...

Neat idea. Perhaps the "Recent Visitors" section on the boards homepage could have the names in bold if that shipmate is also in Cafe.
 
Posted by Gracious rebel (# 3523) on :
 
Yes it would definitely be nice to be able to see if there is anyone in there already (and also who is there) before you log in, as logging in takes quite a while, and is a waste of time if there is no-one there who you want to talk to.
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
But if we do the notifications and everybody works on that basis, no-one will ever log in again...
 
Posted by Beautiful_Dreamer (# 10880) on :
 
It works, but tell me....which are the busier times? It has been a while since I chatted with Shippies so I don't really remember when the most people are in.

And I like the idea of being able to see who's in before logging in. Would that work on Mac and PC browsers? Are there any browsers the chat rooms don't work well with (since I have a Mac and a PC both)?
 
Posted by Arrietty (# 45) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Melon:
But if we do the notifications and everybody works on that basis, no-one will ever log in again...

You always get a few people who are always logged on in case they miss something. [Snigger]
 
Posted by Call me Numpty (# 3012) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by sophs:
quote:
Originally posted by Melon:
* ... if you are running Windows or Linux. For Mac users it will either just work or just not work, and in the latter case you need to pay $$$ to Apple in order to be able to use the software that everyone else gets for free.

Is this gonna be the case when the cafe goes live? 'cos if so...that sucks.

(The software, not Melon)

I'm on a MacBook and it 'just works' for me... which is rather good.
 
Posted by Gort (# 6855) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sir Kevin:
Please, sirs, may we have some sound?

Really, Sir Kevin! You should give up that AOL account.

"You've got mail!"
 
Posted by Pure as the Driven Yellow Snow (# 9397) on :
 
I have () in my user name which the cafe seems to reject. or me. At any rate, I can't come in.
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
I'll help you not to get lost in the brackets in the next update.
 
Posted by Jahlove (# 10290) on :
 
Just having a quick look using someone else's puter (mine is not fancy enough to run the java required for this cafe). No-one here though [Frown]

Strange not to have sounds & just a tiny box for typing & net links not showing *live & clickable*
 
Posted by Eleanor Jane (# 13102) on :
 
Anyone want a chat? I've got a few minutes to fill...

EJ
 
Posted by Emma-Jean (# 7165) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Doublethink:
Very swish - but I second whoever said the speech bubbles are a bit of an issue.

Nice to see the cafe back =)

DT

Why is it that you don't like the speech bubbles? I think they're actually kind of fun.
 
Posted by Anselm (# 4499) on :
 
Well, the cafe is working so well that I now have to exercise self control in using it.

I second the suggestion of others about automatic hyperlinks - would be helpful. As would an option of notification sounds when someone posts.
quote:
Originally posted by Melon:
But if we do the notifications and everybody works on that basis, no-one will ever log in again...

Well, I was kind of joking - but if I knew that there was this facility, then I would actually be more likely to log in (and stay in) since I would know that others could see that I was now in - kind of like sending up a flare.
Normally I am just waiting in the cafe for someone else to coincidentally log in. Not that I lurk there or anything...I do have real life outside the ship...somewhere...if I could only remember where I left it...

Another option would be to hook the Biblical Curse Generator up to the cafe so that if there is only one person in there it will start generating curses. That way the person has something to interact with...
ok -just a thought.
 
Posted by luvanddaisies (# 5761) on :
 
I, personally, would find it irritating to have a sound whenever someone posted if it weren't possible to turn it off- but would find it helpful to have a sound when someone new appears in the cafe.
Were sounds to be added at some point, would it be possible to make it possible to opt out of one or the other (as opposed to just pressing 'mute' and opting out of both!)
 
Posted by jlg (# 98) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Anselm:
Another option would be to hook the Biblical Curse Generator up to the cafe so that if there is only one person in there it will start generating curses. That way the person has something to interact with...

Hey, I like this idea! I would modify it to continue spitting out a random curse (irrespective of number of avatars in the cafe) whenever the conversation was inactive for more than a couple of minutes. It could be useful for those occasions when you find yourself alone in the Cafe with only one other shipmate who isn't known to you, trying to make polite conversation.
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Anselm:
Another option would be to hook the Biblical Curse Generator up to the cafe

Hold that thought...
 
Posted by Gwaelod (# 6140) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Melon:
Hold that thought...

Did you need any encouragement?
 
Posted by Gwai (# 11076) on :
 
If so, I'll provide some [Big Grin] . It's a very good idea!
Or was that not what you meant.
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
I'm kicking around the idea of a bot-writing competition.
 
Posted by luvanddaisies (# 5761) on :
 
We could have a bot that spouts forth selected gems from the SoF quotes file.

I'll get my coat on now then...
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
Yes, or from the SOF marketing straplines thread. Then you could add in the Unix "fortune" phrases, just to confuse people [Big Grin] .
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by rufiki:
Yes, or from the SOF marketing straplines thread

We have another use for the best of that thread, rufiki and they will appear soon. [Cool]
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
Like tomorrow soon???
 
Posted by ErinBear (# 13173) on :
 
It looks good - I could at least get in there! But I was the only one present, so I don't know yet how it will work for a proper chat. It sounds exciting, though! Thanks for all the hard work which has gone into this.

Blessings,
ErinBear
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by rufiki:
Like tomorrow soon???

Not quite - too much else to sort out first. It's going to be a long night, just like 10 years ago.
[Eek!]
 
Posted by lapsed heathen (# 4403) on :
 
Good Luck with the new launch.
The new cafe's exelent, nice to have the board avatars, would like some bells and whistles, it helps when youre running multiple windows or a stay on top button?. Smileys and hot links espicaly the linky thing would add to an already cool cafe.
 
Posted by Tubbs (# 440) on :
 
Cut and pasted from the Technical thread:

quote:
Originally posted by The Wanderer:
The new layout is working very well for me - but I still can't get into the Cafe. I click on the link, enter my username (which isn't Wanderer IIRC) and password, and nothing else happens. Where am I going wrong?

Tubbs
 
Posted by JennyAnn (# 3131) on :
 
I'm sorry - I've broken the cafe.

quote:
IO Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect)
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : socketConnect at line -2
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : doConnect at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connectToAddress at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 97
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1IO Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect)
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : socketConnect at line -2
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : doConnect at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connectToAddress at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 97
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1

and it won't let me back in.

J
 
Posted by Lookin (# 10855) on :
 
i managed to get back in after a couple of minutes jenny ann, but no one else was there ... (someone else logged back in to say bye)

i have to get off and get ready for work now, so cant try again, but will do tomorrow.

maybe its decided to have a sleep due to the record amount of visitors passing through this afternoon [Smile]
 
Posted by JennyAnn (# 3131) on :
 
Ahhh, I see.

I thought it might be a sign I should so some more work!

Jen
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
The café died an hour or so ago, which was quite good as I planned to kill it anyway in order to do some minor updates...

Tubbs, maybe you were trying when the server was down, or, alternatively, I get that effect when I put in the wrong password (or maybe your username/password contains some character currently being rejected by the server).
 
Posted by Tractor Girl (# 8863) on :
 
Taking it that is why I am being told my user name has the wrong attribute, will try later.

Melon, thanks for all your hard work on this though - it is v.much appreciated
 
Posted by luvanddaisies (# 5761) on :
 
Well, there were 21 in there a few minutes ago, but I've just fallen overboard.

Can't get back in at the moment, but will towel down and try again later.

was running pretty smoothly up to then though.
 
Posted by GrahamR (# 11299) on :
 
I keep getting:
quote:
java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.Core
at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(Unknown Source)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source)
at com.sun.jnlp.JNLPClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
at com.sun.javaws.Launcher.doLaunchApp(Unknown Source)
at com.sun.javaws.Launcher.run(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)

Which I hope is enlightening to someone else...
I'm running Windows 2000 and Firefox
[Waterworks]
 
Posted by Scarlett (# 1738) on :
 
I just visited briefly and quite enjoyed it. I'm delighted that when I sign in with my real name (as I do for the Ship), it recognizes me as Scarlett....all dressed up with my dogsbody icon. [Cool]

I'll be peeking in more often.
 
Posted by luvanddaisies (# 5761) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by luvanddaisies:
Well, there were 21 in there a few minutes ago, but I've just fallen overboard.

Can't get back in at the moment, but will towel down and try again later.

was running pretty smoothly up to then though.

'Later' was successful - hooray.
 
Posted by Tumphouse (# 11321) on :
 
I can not get in! I try to log in, seem to be recognised, am immediately disconnected. Bother
 
Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :
 
Having mucho fun in the Gator Lounge right now. I like this new cafe [Big Grin]
 
Posted by The Wanderer (# 182) on :
 
I logged in, waited for ages, and then got a string of commands showing why I couldn't be connected. I tried to copy them, so I could paste them here, but nothing worked until I'd deleted the window they were in. Any thoughts?
 
Posted by Gwaelod (# 6140) on :
 
I've just uploaded a new version of the software that allows for clickable links in speech bubbles.

Just make sure you post proper links including the http:// bit - www.ship-of-fools.com on its own won't work.
 
Posted by Eutychus (# 3081) on :
 
Thanks a lot - that will be a big improvement!

[ 02. April 2008, 18:12: Message edited by: Eutychus ]
 
Posted by GrahamR (# 11299) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Gwaelod:
I've just uploaded a new version of the software that allows for clickable links in speech bubbles.

It also seems to have allowed me to get into the cafe as well- thanks!
 
Posted by The Wanderer (# 182) on :
 
I can't copy it, but what I get when I try to access the cafe is this:

Socket thread started
IO Error (java.net.SocketException: Malformed reply from SOCKS server)
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : readSocksReply at line -1
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 98
jave.lang.Thread : run at line-1

I hope I write that out correctly - and I really hope someone can tell me what to do to get into the Cafe. I'm on Firefox, if that makes any difference.
 
Posted by Gwaelod (# 6140) on :
 
'Malformed reply from SOCKS server'

Suggests you're using a proxy server somewhere along the line. Are you trying to access the cafe using a work's connection, a university or some other shared setup?
 
Posted by The Wanderer (# 182) on :
 
Yes, mine is a work's connection - which I am allowed to use for my own needs as well. Does that mean I'm stuffed?
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
OK, it's crunched

quote:
Unexpected disconnection (java.io.EOFException)
java.io.DataInputStream : readByte at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 120
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1

is the message
quote:
IO Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect)
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : socketConnect at line -2
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : doConnect at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connectToAddress at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 98
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1

when I tried to reconnect
 
Posted by Chelley (# 11322) on :
 
Ah, it wasn't just me then!
 
Posted by The Weeder (# 11321) on :
 
Just got bumped. Tried to get back in with my old name and my new name, but neither works. But relieved I am not the only one!

[ 02. April 2008, 22:35: Message edited by: The Weeder ]
 
Posted by Berkeley's Balm (# 11091) on :
 
Well and truly crunched!
 
Posted by Caty. (# 11996) on :
 
Yes, I was booted out too.
 
Posted by Berkeley's Balm (# 11091) on :
 
I'm back in!
 
Posted by Ancient Mariner (# 4) on :
 
Unlike Gambit to empty the bar...

[Biased]
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
Don't think it was Gambit throwing us out, except because people were leaving.
 
Posted by Gwaelod (# 6140) on :
 
Ooh, Melon will be pleased. He's been willing the thing to crash for ages now [Smile]
 
Posted by Bullfrog. (# 11014) on :
 
OK, so I just changed my name to Bullfrog.

Out of curiosity, I tried to sign on using my new name. When that didn't work immediately, I tried signing on with my old name (mirrizin), and noticed that both had somehow signed onto the chat cafe (universalist was the only one to witness this feat).

Since name change amnesties happen once every blue moon or so, I'm not sure this will be a long term problem, but it is kind of funny.

ETA: and then my new handle signed off as my old one signed on. Peculiar...

[ 03. April 2008, 03:46: Message edited by: Bullfrog. ]
 
Posted by Late Paul (# 37) on :
 
Bullfrog - you have a login name (which you chose when you registered and which never changes) and a display name (which is what is displayed on the boards and can be changed, but only during name-change amnesties).

When I log in to the cafe I use my login name, which isn't "Late Paul", but everyone sees me as "Late Paul".

That doesn't explain why you saw two of yourself though.
 
Posted by Chelley (# 11322) on :
 
Having a little break and trying to get in the cafe - but it won't open - is it just me?
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
It was working, but it isn't now because I've just killed it. Should be back with the right welcome text for the various rooms and support for brackets in usernames in the next 10 minutes or so.
 
Posted by Berkeley's Balm (# 11091) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Late Paul:
Bullfrog - you have a login name (which you chose when you registered and which never changes) and a display name (which is what is displayed on the boards and can be changed, but only during name-change amnesties).

When I log in to the cafe I use my login name, which isn't "Late Paul", but everyone sees me as "Late Paul".

That doesn't explain why you saw two of yourself though.

That's right, I never use my display name to log into the cafe, its always my login name which I use to er....log into the boards.
 
Posted by Berkeley's Balm (# 11091) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Wanderer:
I can't copy it, but what I get when I try to access the cafe is this:

Socket thread started
IO Error (java.net.SocketException: Malformed reply from SOCKS server)
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : readSocksReply at line -1
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 98
jave.lang.Thread : run at line-1

I hope I write that out correctly - and I really hope someone can tell me what to do to get into the Cafe. I'm on Firefox, if that makes any difference.

I use Firefox, and I've never had any problems logging in except at the times when no one can get on. My Firefox spell checker doesn't recognise 'Firefox' - oooh the irony!
 
Posted by Jason I. Am (# 9037) on :
 
I had no problem getting on last night using Firefox as well. It was using a MacBook.
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
It's back now, with the right text in the right places.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
My daughter could get into the cafe from uni server from their halls - not sure if she can now as she's been home for the past couple of weeks. But she certainly was helping me test it during the testing period.

We were chatting in the cafe in preference to msn as a better format to use.
 
Posted by AdamPater (# 4431) on :
 
I do just want to say, it's been a hoot visiting people in the/a Cafe again. The immediacy of chat is great, and fills in the humanity that is easily missed in posts of frozen text.

Thanks all.
 
Posted by Eutychus (# 3081) on :
 
Just remembered a feature of the Goringe café that would be nice: a "recent" tab which told you the last ten or so recent visitors and how long ago they left...
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
Cafe now crunched - well I'm out
 
Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :
 
Me too - I tried to reconnect 5 times: no joy.
 
Posted by Peppone (# 3855) on :
 
Me too: just annoying script screen, then nothing happens.
 
Posted by Peppone (# 3855) on :
 
...but now I'm back in.
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
It died for the third time with the same error. I've just killed it yet again to install a patch that we hope will fix that particular bug. Should be back in the next ten minutes or so.
 
Posted by Berkeley's Balm (# 11091) on :
 
Can't log on at the moment - is anyone else having problems?
 
Posted by Chelley (# 11322) on :
 
Yep. I still can't log on either.
 
Posted by Bean Sidhe (# 11823) on :
 
Me too, an "unexpected error"
 
Posted by Chelley (# 11322) on :
 
It's a conspiracy to make me go and clean the bathroom and sort out the cupboards! [Paranoid]
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
The error is:
quote:
IO Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect)
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : socketConnect at line -2
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : doConnect at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connectToAddress at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 98
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1

should anyone want to know.
 
Posted by Chelley (# 11322) on :
 
Aha... I'm in! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
Scroll up... It took a bit longer than ten minutes, but it's back now.
 
Posted by Chelley (# 11322) on :
 
Yep, saw that! Thanks Melon - you must be putting a lot of time into all this - it's appreciated!
 
Posted by Legodude_uk (# 5671) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Legodude_uk:
quote:
Originally posted by Jonah the Whale:
My connection broke suddenly when I was in the cafe (wireless problems) and now I can't get back in. I get the login screen but can't get anywhere with it. I presume it thinks I'm still in there. This is my error message (but I changed the password and userid).

8< snip

Just had a similar problem to Jonah, was in, wireless connection dropped briefly, can't get back in now...

Socket thread started
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<contexts>
<user_context xmlns:xcr="http://xcruciate.co.uk" id="a1193" name="reception"/>
</contexts>'
Context changed event fired
<commands/>

Round trip = 188 milliseconds
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<abilities>
<user_ability xmlns:xcr="http://xcruciate.co.uk" id="a1194" name="visitor"/>
</abilities>'
No consumer for nodes with name of 'abilities'
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<xcr:available_commands>
<xcr:command name="commands"/>
<xcr:command name="describe_commands"/>
<xcr:command name="describe_command"/>
<xcr:command name="registered"/>
<xcr:command name="unregistered"/>
</xcr:available_commands>'
New commands incoming
Command list complete for current context
New commands event fired
<registered pass="qwertuiop" user="LDuk"/>

Round trip = 390 milliseconds
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<xcr:message category="term" message_id="registered_login_failed">Login attempt failed</xcr:message>'
Disconnected

(password and ID changed)

Thanks for all the work, looks great in there...but add me to the "not sure about the speech bubbles" list

Just fell out the cafe again (or got booted, if peeps don't like the Baron Knights they only had to say...) and I'm still getting a similar error to this one when trying to get back in...
 
Posted by Legodude_uk (# 5671) on :
 
Fell overboard again, and can't get back in...

Night all...
 
Posted by Gwaelod (# 6140) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Wanderer:
Yes, mine is a work's connection - which I am allowed to use for my own needs as well. Does that mean I'm stuffed?

Probably yes. It depends how friendly you are with IT.

You need to be able to avoid using the proxy server for this application.
 
Posted by Chelley (# 11322) on :
 
Hey people in there I was talking to a little while ago! My computer/cafe window decided to freeze and do its own thing for ages after I posted the flickr link so I didn't get anything after that! It's only just let me do anything - stupid machine! Will try and get back in...
 
Posted by Robert Armin (# 182) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Gwaelod:
quote:
Originally posted by The Wanderer:
Yes, mine is a work's connection - which I am allowed to use for my own needs as well. Does that mean I'm stuffed?

Probably yes. It depends how friendly you are with IT.

You need to be able to avoid using the proxy server for this application.

Thank you for the answer. I shall retire and weep into my motley.
 
Posted by Blaise (# 13556) on :
 
I'm new, so may just be doing something wrong here. And I'm not techy, so please bear with me.

When I try to use the Cafe I get a window asking if I want to 'find' or 'save'. Whichever option I choose, I then get a page saying that Windows/Nicrosoft can't open the file.

Any tips please?
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
Blaise, it sounds to me like you need to upgrade to the latest version of Sun java, as that version will know what to do with a jnlp file (the thing you are currently being invited to save).
 
Posted by Blaise (# 13556) on :
 
Thanks; I'll try that.
 
Posted by Autenrieth Road (# 10509) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Gwaelod:
You need to be able to avoid using the proxy server for this application.

How come?

/s/
Curious
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
Because it won't work [Cool]

Basically, proxies play tricks with IP traffic that tend to break applications like chatrooms that rely on a direct and persistant connection between your PC and the server.
 
Posted by bbio (# 13236) on :
 
I am still stuck with this error - other java stuff works - what is wrong, anyone know?


Socket thread started
IO Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection timed out: connect)
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : socketConnect at line -2
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : doConnect at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connectToAddress at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 98
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
You need to open port 25424 in your firewall?
 
Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :
 
I miss the sounds and the ready-made smileys.
 
Posted by Angus McDangley (# 11091) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sir Kevin:
I miss the sounds and the ready-made smileys.

There are smilies. Ask Curiosity Killed... She's the expert. e.g. : cool : (no spaces)

[ 05. April 2008, 17:12: Message edited by: Angus McDangley ]
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
There are 6 smileys at the last update:
Three you can type using a colon : and
open brackets ( [Frown] ,
close brackets ) [Smile]
or a p [Razz]

The final three you have to type the words in between two colons: wink [Biased] , votive [Votive] , cool. You also get to [Frown] by typing frown between two colons, [Razz] by typing tongue and [Smile] by typing smile all between two colons.
 
Posted by Chelley (# 11322) on :
 
Hello people in there (who I seem to have spent a good part of my days off talking random nonsense with!) - still trying to get my computer sorted - posting this from TeenSon's. I suppose misbehaving computers are a good way of actually getting other things done... but if it carries on much longer it's going to find itself thrown through a window! [Disappointed]
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Melon:
You need to open port 25424 in your firewall?

Umm - what would be the feasibility of adding a passive-mode option to the client? Similar to passive-mode FTP... the client initiates the connection, as it sounds like the server is initiating the connection down that port...

Is that 25424:TCP or UDP?
 
Posted by bbio (# 13236) on :
 
is opening a port in a firewall possible?

and as for what Alex said - well, I guess it is english, but not as I know it!!

How do I access a firewall to open a port?

Or would that be inadvisable for someone who has to ask the question? [Smile]
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
The connection is initiated by the client, which means it works with most firewalls, but particularly fascist ones block outgoing traffic too.
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
Was just in the Cafe, chatting away happily, and new posts stopped coming up (including my own). Logged out and attempted to log back in again, but can't get past the blue screen.
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
This is what the "Logger" says:

code:
 Socket thread started
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<contexts>
<user_context xmlns:xcr="http://xcruciate.co.uk" id="a2128" name="reception"/>
</contexts>'
Context changed event fired
<commands/>

Round trip = 114 milliseconds
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<abilities>
<user_ability xmlns:xcr="http://xcruciate.co.uk" id="a2129" name="visitor"/>
</abilities>'
No consumer for nodes with name of 'abilities'
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<xcr:available_commands>
<xcr:command name="commands"/>
<xcr:command name="describe_commands"/>
<xcr:command name="describe_command"/>
<xcr:command name="registered"/>
<xcr:command name="unregistered"/>
</xcr:available_commands>'
New commands incoming
Command list complete for current context
New commands event fired
<registered pass="[my password]" user="rufiki"/>

Round trip = 292 milliseconds
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<xcr:message category="term"



[ 06. April 2008, 16:38: Message edited by: rufiki ]
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
It's still OK for me
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
rufiki, you've just left, you might be able to get back in now.
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
Rebooted my computer and it's fine now.
 
Posted by _Feh (# 10899) on :
 
I am feeling thoroughly defeated by this new cafe. I can't get in. I download the java program, I checked the ports, I changed my password... I still can't get in. Am I just trying at a bad time?

I keep getting this message that says "Unknown Error: The User Attribute is of the Wrong Type."

And others of the same ilk as those previously posted.

[Waterworks] [Help]
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
_Feh, if there's an underscore in your username I think I can fix that.
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
Nope, I allow _ already. PM me if your login name includes any other unusual characters.
 
Posted by lapsed heathen (# 4403) on :
 
The chatroom thingy 'Faverolle' is on my desktop and when i run it 9 times out of 10 it opens the cafe straight away. Every so often it redownloads the software, why?
And can I bypass this seemingly usless timewaste?

Thanks for the whole thing btw its good to have the cafe back.
 
Posted by Paul M (# 37) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by lapsed heathen:
The chatroom thingy 'Faverolle' is on my desktop and when i run it 9 times out of 10 it opens the cafe straight away. Every so often it redownloads the software, why?

It's not re-downloading it's updating the software. If you notice several times in this thread Melon or Gwaelod will have said that they fixed such and such a bug and have updated the software. When they do that the next time you run it, it automatically updates itself.
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
That's right. You used to download the old café 10 times out of 10 - it's just that it didn't tell you what was going on.
 
Posted by Legodude_uk (# 5671) on :
 
Still getting issues with being kicked out and getting back in... Even tried re-booting, but no success
 
Posted by _Feh (# 10899) on :
 
The only unusual character I use is the underscore. Still can't get in. [Frown]

If it matters, I use Windows Vista and Firefox. And this is the error I get after the "User Attribute is of the wrong type" one:

Unexpected disconnection (java.io.EOFException)
java.io.DataInputStream : readByte at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 120
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1
 
Posted by _Feh (# 10899) on :
 
Sorry to double-post, but I think the problem is my underscore. I may be running the risk of incriminating myself, but I created a puppet by the name of 'chattingfeh', and was able to get in with no problem.
 
Posted by Bean Sidhe (# 11823) on :
 
Cannot get past login
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
I've just killed the server (why do I think of South Park whenever I type that?) When it comes back up in ten minutes or so, it should be a lot less fussy about characters in usernames - particularly first characters, which previously had to be a letter.

It would be helpful if anyone still experiencing 'username of wrong type' connection problems could PM me a list of any wacky characters in their username.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
Melon, did you see that we've had a couple of people dropped overboard and had to reboot to get back in? They didn't look as if they left until just before they arrived again (as in post saying they had left in the chatroom). The only thing that we could think of that might have been happening was that they were distracted (eating) and not posting for a bit.

[eta - y on the end of they]

[ 08. April 2008, 07:30: Message edited by: Curiosity killed ... ]
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
I'm not sure what rebooting would do, but it sounds a lot to me like their Internet connections stop reading data from the server after a while. One partial solution would be to put an inactivity timeout on the café, as we do in St Pixels.
 
Posted by Legodude_uk (# 5671) on :
 
Melon

Just thinking outside the box, would it be possible to set up something that detects the log in attempts and if it finds a match with someone that is already in there it kicks them both out...

That way if we were stuck in the limbo state of being signed in but not there (a bit like lights on but nobody home!) then it would re-set that connection as well??

Just a thought, I guess it could be abused if you knew someone elses log ins and maliciously wanted to get them out of the cafe but that's unlikely...
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
I think that's what it does already. Or maybe I got distracted before writing that bit...
 
Posted by Legodude_uk (# 5671) on :
 
Doesn't seem to otherwise when we attempt to log back in when we fall off it should throw us out...unless there's something else funny going on...
 
Posted by Gwaelod (# 6140) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Melon:
I think that's what it does already. Or maybe I got distracted before writing that bit...

No it doesn't do that yet.

The server is really good at holding onto connections (in a good way). I was connected using my MacBook one evening. I closed the lid and went to bed (the computer then goes to 'sleep' too!). The following day I reopened the lid of the Mac and I was still connected and could chat away.
 
Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :
 
I tried the new cafe again today. A few things:

--I still get a headache, partly because the text box at the bottom is so small and only shows a small font. Is there a way to set that to enlarge when I choose a larger font for the rest of the chat?

--Could the decaf version be made *more* decaf? E.g., get rid of the graphics, especially the avatars? That would make a possibly safer version for those of us who are getting headaches (I'm not the only one), for those accessing via cell phones, and those who just don't want distractions.

--I'm another one bothered by the long time it takes to load the cafe.

--Not a problem; just curiosity: is there a reason the cafe is hooked up to St. Pixel's instead of the Ship?


Thanks!
 
Posted by jlg (# 98) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Gwaelod:
....The following day I reopened the lid of the Mac and I was still connected and could chat away.

I did that on my desktop PC. Popped into the Cafe, said hi to someone, went off to take care of some little chore or something, got distracted, eventually went to bed. The next morning, there was the Cafe (with me in it) just patiently waiting.

(And if anyone from the western US time zones or the antipodes tried to talk to me, my apologies for inadvertently leaving that cardboard cut-out standing there all those hours.)
 
Posted by Bean Sidhe (# 11823) on :
 
24 hours now I've not been able to get into the cafe, I get the login page, enter id and password, and it just loops. Any suggestions?
 
Posted by Paul M (# 37) on :
 
Cafe's acting weird since JoyfulNoise logged in. Can't see any name for her and the part with the avatars doesn't show at all.

She's got an ampersand in her display name - praps that's the problem?
 
Posted by JoyfulNoise & Parrot OKief (# 2049) on :
 
cough cough, splutter. I'm a BLOKE! Her 'indeed'
 
Posted by Paul M (# 37) on :
 
Ooops sorry.

But FYI for the PTBs cafe went back to normal once HE'd left. Definitely something going on there.
 
Posted by Horatio Harumph (# 10855) on :
 
paulm and graham

did you guys just get booted out?

i did, and now i cant get back in for an error message

HH
 
Posted by Horatio Harumph (# 10855) on :
 
ok so we all got booted, but all got back in with in 5 minutes
 
Posted by Patdys (# 9397) on :
 
Thanks Melon

Bracket problem fixed. I'm in.
Your inbox is full btw.
 
Posted by Chelley (# 11322) on :
 
Just popped into the cafe but couldn't say hello as I had no text box! (And yes I did scroll right down in case it was hiding!). [Confused]

[ 09. April 2008, 22:49: Message edited by: Chelley ]
 
Posted by Geneviève (# 9098) on :
 
Worked fine for me just now.
 
Posted by Chelley (# 11322) on :
 
Yes, I think it was my computer/settings. I posted because I didn't want to seem rude to the people in the cafe - appearing and disappearing a couple of times without saying anything!
 
Posted by Joan Rasch (# 49) on :
 
Hmm... just got thrown overboard when my dial-up connection dropped (even tho' I was posting, it apparently registered as 'idle' time). But now I can't log in again with my regular user name - I suspect I'm a phantom.. (Sorry, Sir K & U..)
 
Posted by Anselm (# 4499) on :
 
I have found that the last three times I have been in the cafe, my posting become erratic and disjointed. I begin to get a headache and a sore ribcage.

So, can you do something to stop my kids bugging me by asking me questions and trying to get my attention when I'm on the computer?

I mean...you did such a bang up job on the cafe I thought you might be able to do something else for me...

...just asking.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
OK - this is slightly tangential, but I'll soon be replacing hardware...

Intention is to get a THinkpad R61 (widescreen) preinstalled with Ubuntu Linux - waiting till the end of the month, as Ubuntu 8.10 will then be in production as opposed to beta.

My question - those here who are running Ubuntu - is the required version of Java (1.6?) on their production repositories, or installed as part of the base build when installing 8.1 (or 7.10)?

Also - I'm thinking of getting an ASUS EEE Linux-based unit when the EEE 900 (1Gb memory, 20Gb SSD, 1024 horizontal display, slightly larger keys) comes out. Useful as a more mobile machine when out and about; same price point as an iPod classic but MUCH more usable and customisable - will be applying some mods.. but anyone used one of those against the cafe?

Would be good to hear from Linux users.
 
Posted by Paul M (# 37) on :
 
I run Linux Mint 4 which is based on Gutsy and it installed Java 1.6 out of the box. I've been able to run the Cafe fine.

However I'm not sure which repository the Java install came from.

Mint is great, IMO, but it might be a bit OTT for a slimmed down machine like the Eee PC.
 
Posted by Random Cathoholic (# 13129) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Alex Cockell:
My question - those here who are running Ubuntu - is the required version of Java (1.6?) on their production repositories, or installed as part of the base build when installing 8.1 (or 7.10)?

I'm running Gutsy on my Thinkpad, and I've not had any problem with the Cafe. It Just Works(C)(R)(TM).
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Umm - remind me... Gutsy Gibbon is Ubuntu 7.10? 8.1's Hardy something, isn't it?

I had a natter with ASUS today during my lunch hour - and it would appear that Flash 9 and Java 1.6 are being worked on. 1.5 is supplied out of the box. I'll have to email them tomorrow (all the PC-purchase stuff is being done at work as I'm more likely to be placing the final order during my lunch break) so the assistant I talked to has all the questions to forward on. Turns out that with the 900's 1024x600 display, 20Gb SSD etc - at £329 - would make a nice mobile drivce on steroids (Skype et al will be quite helpful as well - just an annoyingly cramped kbd.. and I'd prefer to wait till the 6-cell batteries are out).

I know it's not the best place to ask - but to those running THinkpads - how much memory? Get the 2nd gig?

(found a good option at linuxemporium.co.uk - the r61i)
 
Posted by Gwaelod (# 6140) on :
 
You need Java 1.5 or above.

Oh, and I updated the software this evening to include more smileys. There's a little menu too so you don't have to remember all the shortcuts.
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
[Overused] Gwaelod
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
But the shortcuts add another dimension in the use of the smileys!

Thank you Gwaelod [Big Grin]

[ 17. April 2008, 22:32: Message edited by: Curiosity killed ... ]
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Alex Cockell:
Also - I'm thinking of getting an ASUS EEE Linux-based unit when the EEE 900 (1Gb memory, 20Gb SSD, 1024 horizontal display, slightly larger keys) comes out... but anyone used one of those against the cafe?

My 701 worked out of the box with the new café, and also works fine now that I've installed Kubuntu on it (I think I downloaded java from the Sun site). I gather that java is not preinstalled on the 2Gb models.

(The emphasis in Xandros is on the second syllable, and, in any case, it became a lot less useful as soon as Asus removed the interface to 'expert' mode, which means you have to hack the system anyway. The first thing I did was add 2Gb of RAM. EeeXubuntu froze on me. Kubuntu installed fine, and, unlike Xandros, you can then install all your favourite Linux utilities using Synaptic or similar. Do we need a heaven thread on Eees?)

[ETA - Alex, you can never have too much RAM with Linux - I upgraded my Thinkpad to 1.25Gb, and today I wouldn't buy a new one with less than 2Gb]

[ 18. April 2008, 11:25: Message edited by: Melon ]
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
[Frown] I so miss sound.
 
Posted by Potoroo (# 13466) on :
 
Zappa, the Cafe booted me... [Waterworks]

Trying to get back in but nothing happening yet! Sorry! [Frown]
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
apparently you're still in there!
[Ultra confused]
 
Posted by Potoroo (# 13466) on :
 
No, it booted me in the middle of typing a question... [Frown] Really sorry!

But if I'm still in there it might explain why I can't get back in?! [Confused]
 
Posted by Ultracrepidarian (# 9679) on :
 
You've just gone, so you should be able to get back. (I think)
 
Posted by Potoroo (# 13466) on :
 
Grrrr! It did it to me again!

Guess I'll have to wait till it shows me as not being there again... [Frown] Then I'll try again.
 
Posted by Ultracrepidarian (# 9679) on :
 
I'll let you know when you disappear again.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
We still love you, tho!
 
Posted by Potoroo (# 13466) on :
 
Thanks, you guys... [Smile] [Smile]

(I was going to use the blush emoticon, but then I noticed it was labelled "hot and hormonal" - so I didn't! Lol)
 
Posted by Ultracrepidarian (# 9679) on :
 
Potoroo is gone, long live Potoroo!!
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
u r out now, pot!
 
Posted by Potoroo (# 13466) on :
 
Sorry guys, it happened a third time...gonna give it up for tonight! It's getting ridiculous.

Thanks for the chat, though! Good night [Smile]
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
Did we break it?
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
It broke yesterday too, when I was trying to post and I wondered if it was some key combination, but tonight I was reading when it died.
 
Posted by Eleanor Jane (# 13102) on :
 
Anyone bored* and feel like a chat?

EJ

*Amusement not guaranteed, amusement is at the discretion of the provider...
 
Posted by PeterJMcC (# 13631) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Jane:
Anyone bored* and feel like a chat?

EJ

*Amusement not guaranteed, amusement is at the discretion of the provider...


 
Posted by Tubbs (# 440) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Jane:
Anyone bored* and feel like a chat?

EJ

*Amusement not guaranteed, amusement is at the discretion of the provider...

Please use the Born to Chat thread in All Saints to tell others that you're in the cafe and wanting to chat. This thread is to report technical problems / make suggestions for improvement etc. Thank you.

Tubbs
Styx Host
 
Posted by Foaming Draught (# 9134) on :
 
I have no problem with the caff, under saintly Linux or evil MS. I'm glad that the text boxes are a more, er, ergonomic size than the initial two byte cells. But I miss two things:

1. Sound, so that I can wander off to make a cup of tea or a crême de menthe frappé and know that there's movement at the station, and

2. the ability to log in without a Ship ID so that I can sus out whether there's a NW US (or Home Counties or wherever) clique hogging the place.
 
Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by PeterJMcC:
quote:
Originally posted by Eleanor Jane:
Anyone bored* and feel like a chat?

EJ

*Amusement not guaranteed, amusement is at the discretion of the provider...


PeterJMcC: It would be a good place for you to be too: On the Born to Chat thread in AS. But on your way over there, stop in at the Welcome thread to introduce yourself!

Introduction thread is here.
 
Posted by Alan Cresswell (# 31) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Foaming Draught:
I miss two things:

<snip>

2. the ability to log in without a Ship ID

The guest login feature on the old Cafe was our biggest source of abuse of the facility. There was no practical way for us to exclude individuals from the Cafe, and we had several instances of people banned from the boards still using the Cafe (and often repeating the same unacceptable behaviour there). Not including a guest login feature removes that potential problem entirely.
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Foaming Draught:
the ability to log in without a Ship ID so that I can sus out whether there's a NW US (or Home Counties or wherever) clique hogging the place.

At some point we are going to implement a system that allows users to see who is logged in without logging in themselves. Popping in and out as guests just to do that was always more than a little irritating for those present.
 
Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :
 
Re guest log-in:

I understand the reasons against it that were mentioned above.

But disallowing it also means that if someone falls overboard (gets disconnected) and their ID doesn't automatically log out, the user won't be able to get back into the cafe until the ID clears. Sometimes that takes hours; and IME it happens often, no matter what cafe software is used.

Without guest log-in, there are apt to be very frustrated users, FWIW.
 
Posted by jlg (# 98) on :
 
Take it as a sign that you should be dealing with something in real life.
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
If the 'frozen' problem persists (and Gwaelod thinks we ought to be able to fix it, although I maintain it's a direct consequence of the architecture of the Internet), we should be able to come up with another way to boot ghosts, eg via the website.
 
Posted by Anselm (# 4499) on :
 
Perhaps we need to install an exorcism smilie to get rid of the ghosts?
 
Posted by Eutychus (# 3081) on :
 
Well I don't know if it was discussing demons, double spacing, or Colour Factor that did it, but I was just unceremoniously booted and couldn't get back in.

quote:
IO Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect)
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : socketConnect at line -2
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : doConnect at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connectToAddress at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 98
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1

I've taken it as a Sign&trade that I should go to bed.

[ETA PM from another user suggests that we all fell out at the same time: about five of us in there]

[ 02. May 2008, 20:41: Message edited by: Eutychus ]
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
We all were Eutychus, but we're back in now.
 
Posted by Foaming Draught (# 9134) on :
 
Ah, now there's a nice big conversation screen (but no interlocutor with whom I may try it out) but my foaming draught has disappeared to be replaced with what I guess is a generic avatar resembling an online chess pawn.

FD
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
I'm in the ship cafe - anyone else around ?

DT
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Oops, missed cusanus - it would really help if you could set a sound for when people enter the room.

DT
 
Posted by MiceElf (# 4389) on :
 
Im sorry if this has been covered already, but I have a problem I didnt have before.

When the cafe was testing I could get in, now it gives me this (edited password and user name)

ocket thread started
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<contexts>
<user_context xmlns:xcr="http://xcruciate.co.uk" id="a1742" name="reception"/>
</contexts>'
Context changed event fired
<commands/>

Round trip = 0 milliseconds
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<abilities>
<user_ability xmlns:xcr="http://xcruciate.co.uk" id="a1743" name="visitor"/>
</abilities>'
No consumer for nodes with name of 'abilities'
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<xcr:available_commands>
<xcr:command name="commands"/>
<xcr:command name="describe_commands"/>
<xcr:command name="describe_command"/>
<xcr:command name="registered"/>
<xcr:command name="unregistered"/>
</xcr:available_commands>'
New commands incoming
Command list complete for current context
New commands event fired
<registered pass="xxxxxx" user="xxxxxx"/>

Round trip = 301 milliseconds
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<xcr:message category="term" message_id="registered_login_failed">Login attempt failed</xcr:message>'
Disconnected

Why what has gone wrong?
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
I have my new laptop now - but no sign of being able to get into the cafe. I am running preinstalled Ubuntu 8.04LTS. What do I do now?
 
Posted by Pooks (# 11425) on :
 
Have you downloaded java?
 
Posted by Miffy (# 1438) on :
 
Well, I'm in. And as an old fashioned steam driven goringe fan, I hate to admit it -but it's not bad. [Biased]
 
Posted by Eutychus (# 3081) on :
 
My laptop is still complaining that it can't validate the certificate. This has led me off on a merry trail of root certificate investigation. I have now found a list of these in IEX but none of them looks like it's the café one. Can anyone enlighten me as to what certificate it uses?

(Melon and Gwaelod, I have the identical problem with WebAsaph, if that sheds any light).

[ 19. May 2008, 18:48: Message edited by: Eutychus ]
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Any chance of sound in the cafe - we could use these they're free.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
There is a way of attracting the attention of someone in the café: if you start a private conversation with the person who has not noticed you have arrived, that private conversation window takes priority and pops up in front of anything else they are working on or reading.

Personally, I only use that technique with people I know reasonably well. The other usual suspect and I are perfectly capable of just sending the message: "Boo!", but we've spent a lot of time chatting in there and have met in real life.
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
I fell overboard! [Frown]
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
As did the other usual suspect
 
Posted by amber. (# 11142) on :
 
I think it's chucked us all out. Says connection refused and gives me a load of code. Drat.
 
Posted by amber. (# 11142) on :
 
It's working again
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
Overboard again
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
Twice in one evening [Frown]

quote:
Unexpected disconnection (java.io.EOFException)
java.io.DataInputStream : readByte at line 250
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 120
java.lang.Thread : run at line 619


 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Just got slung out myself - about the same time.
 
Posted by nathan207017 (# 13668) on :
 
It seems to be working now
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Just crashed out
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
Ah, not just me then.
 
Posted by cattyish (# 7829) on :
 
Is God trying to tell us it's bed time?

Night night all.
cat
 
Posted by Agent Smith (# 3299) on :
 
Me too [Frown]

(Although I should say thank you for all the hard work that has gone into the new shiny cafe - just not posted it before)

[Axe murder]
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
It's back up!
 
Posted by bbio (# 13236) on :
 
No answers yet for the problem I get - any advice welcomed - please?

On trying to get into the cafe I get :

IO Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection timed out: connect)
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : socketConnect at line -2
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : doConnect at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connectToAddress at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 98
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1

What does this mean and what can i do?
 
Posted by Bean Sidhe (# 11823) on :
 
Problems here, I was getting into the cafe fine until I needed to restore my PC and at the same time downloaded XP SP3. Now I get told cannot launch Faverolle due to unsupported JNLP 1.5 when only 1.0 is acceptable... help???
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
Can I put in another pathetic plea for sound please?

It's fine for the usual suspects who attract each other's attention by private conversation, but if someone else wanders in, and we're not paying attention, we have no way of knowing that someone has been and gone.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
And it's just kicked me out, with the usual error messages.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
AAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH!

Just got slung out!
 
Posted by Agent Smith (# 3299) on :
 
Me too [Ultra confused]
 
Posted by nathan207017 (# 13668) on :
 
Yeah I just got the long thing what is all that about?
 
Posted by Advocatus Diaboli (# 5172) on :
 
Canonist overboard!
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
It's been doing this every so often for a while - sending an error message, and giving an error message until it resets itself - which will be within half an hour, which is part of the reason for logging it.

The thing that happened just before it crashed this time is someone left who had been in for a while, left, came back in, and left again, all within quite a short space of time, if that helps any Melon, Gwaelod and pease. There were 6 of us in there just before.
 
Posted by Advocatus Diaboli (# 5172) on :
 
Life rafts ahoy! Back aboard, shippies!
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
OK - it died about half an hour ago, booting Sioni Sais and me out, but it hasn't come back up so far.

Melon, I think the café has worked it out now!
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Just tried - can't get online
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
It's back now.

(As I explained to Curiosity... last night, I accidentally 'upgraded' the café server while trying to upgrade our test site, which would have been good if the upgrade was compatible with the current café, which it isn't. The café continued to work until it crashed, and then it wouldn't restart because the code wasn't there anymore. Pease got the previous setup out of our automatic backups, and normal service should now be restored.)
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
It's crunched twice tonight, and I'm not sure if it's coincidence or not, but both have happened as I tried to post links. [Hot and Hormonal]
 
Posted by fletcher christian (# 13919) on :
 
Well now we know why it happens - and there were two other witnesses!!!!
 
Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :
 
I was one of the two others. I'll run some errands and try later today.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
AAAGGGGHHHH!

Just got slung out again!
 
Posted by fletcher christian (# 13919) on :
 
i'm all wet!
 
Posted by fletcher christian (# 13919) on :
 
just when you think you are out - they pull you back in
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
Booted again [Frown]
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
You alone this time - but I suspect it's happened to me this week. You are currently showing in the café, rufiki.

eta: Now you are not!

[ 05. September 2008, 21:35: Message edited by: Curiosity killed ... ]
 
Posted by theologeek (# 13933) on :
 
I was able to access the ship with no problems, but there was no one there. Ghost ship? Is there a time (gmt) that is more populated, or is it just an issue of on/off service keeping people away?
 
Posted by Horatio Harumph (# 10855) on :
 
hi there
welcome to the ship
i am in the cafe, and so are you, but you seem to having a little sleep ... i will stick around for a few minutes to see if you wake up

[Smile]
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
There are usually people around in the evening to around 11/12 midnight UK time.

We used to be around a lot more during UK daytime, but schools are back now, so I'm not around as much and rufiki has a proper job, so the Usual Suspects are not going to be available during the day.
 
Posted by Random Cathoholic (# 13129) on :
 
Received XML = '<xcr:message category="term" message_id="bad_command_attribute_type">The user attribute is of the wrong type</xcr:message>'


Wubble? [Confused]

I'll have you know that my attributes are all perfectly formed and a joy to behold. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
Booted 15:35pm, Sunday 21st September, UK time:
quote:
Unexpected disconnection (java.io.EOFException)
java.io.DataInputStream : readByte at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 120
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1

just in case it's a different message.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
And again 18:00!
 
Posted by Angus McDangley (# 11091) on :
 
Seems to be working now.
 
Posted by Random Cathoholic (# 13129) on :
 
It still tells me that my user attribute is of the wrong type. I feel so dirty. [Waterworks]

I am using Java 1.6.0_06 on Ubuntu (Hardy Heron).
 
Posted by Mamacita (# 3659) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted in Heaven by fletcher christian:
Can we please have some sound effects for the cafe? I was invited off the ship to another place, and it had sounds. It was so good. It would be great to have sounds in the cafe on the ship here. For one thing, it would help you know if someone has appeared on deck if you are elsewhere. At the moment, many of us just look plain rude without ever meaning to.
So, sign up people..
Sound in the cafe, place your name here for the online petition to get it up and runnning (its already in church of fools)
:church bells ringing sweetly:



 
Posted by cattyish (# 7829) on :
 
I second the desire for sound effects. Another chat room I visit has them and it's good from the perspective of someone who multitasks. I tend to call up said chat screen, then go bake a cake until someone enters.

If there could be one for someone entering and another for someone opening a private chat window with me that would do.

I would expect most cafe users would probably want an off button (or even make it an on button).
 
Posted by Angel Wrestler (# 13673) on :
 
Put me down for hoping for sound effects, too.
 
Posted by Jahlove (# 10290) on :
 
Sound would definitely be stop of the wish-list; also good would be a *Stepped Away/BRB* indicator, a more extensive range of smilies and maybe one of those things that shows if someone is typing a response.
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
I agree. Many thanks for what's been done. Sound and some of the aforementioned further features would be immensely helpful.

This not to annoy the powers that be (and devise the lovely SoF Cafe), but to suggest a more communicative chatroom - right now, it is as if we were blind. Yet we will see the glory of ITTWACCR!

Many thanks. [Overused] [Axe murder] [Angel] [Votive]
 
Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :
 
I'd just like to see it up and running again as I haven't been able to get in in the last two days!
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
It is up and running - there are four of us in there now.
 
Posted by Chelley (# 11322) on :
 
Have tried a few times this evening but can't get in.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
It's being picky then - because Random Cathoholic can't get in either.
 
Posted by Chelley (# 11322) on :
 
Only the chosen ones allowed! [Razz]
 
Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :
 
The little java coffee cup comes up when I download the cafe, but then it disappears! Whose software is faulty, mine or the Ship's?


[Ultra confused] [Disappointed]
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
All ok here.
 
Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :
 
Do I need to upgrade Java? Has mine become obsolete? Should we call Apple?


[Ultra confused]
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Just been booted out!
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
Booted [Frown]
 
Posted by cattyish (# 7829) on :
 
Sploosh! People overboard. Oh well, it's beer and bed time anyway.

Cat
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
There were 8 of us in there - and it sounds as if we all got dumped overboard.
 
Posted by Chelley (# 11322) on :
 
Managed to get in - which I couldn't do earlier!
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
It's on again.
 
Posted by Zeke (# 3271) on :
 
I've spoken to my ISP and the tech support for my computer, and they wonder if anything has been changed on the cafe. Does anybody have any ideas on why we can't get in anymore?
 
Posted by Chelley (# 11322) on :
 
Three attempts and failure! Cafe window opened each time then closed itself and bumped me out! Ho hum.
 
Posted by Chelley (# 11322) on :
 
I think the cafe has barred me!
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
'ello 'ello 'ello: wot's goin' on 'ere, then?

quote:
A communication error occurred: "Connection refused"
The Web Server may be down, too busy, or experiencing other problems preventing it from responding to requests. You may wish to try again at a later time.

[Waterworks]
 
Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :
 
Now it says cannot connect to server: it doesn't recognized St. Pixel's!

[Ultra confused]
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
The St Pixels server was being moved physically from one room to another in the server park. The café appears to be back now.
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Zeke:
I've spoken to my ISP and the tech support for my computer, and they wonder if anything has been changed on the cafe. Does anybody have any ideas on why we can't get in anymore?

Nothing has changed for several months.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Okay, now.
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
booted [Frown]
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
Booted - with only two of us in there.
 
Posted by Eutychus (# 3081) on :
 
code:
IO Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect)
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : socketConnect at line -2
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : doConnect at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connectToAddress at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 98
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1


 
Posted by Oremus (# 13853) on :
 
The Cafe is still closed and I'm dying for a cuppa!
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
I'm finding myself having an RL cuppa. Oh how dull! [Paranoid]

[Well, I suppose I could use one of my newly purchased 'Ship of Fools' mugs. Less dull. [Smile] ]

[ 20. October 2008, 12:46: Message edited by: Wesley J ]
 
Posted by Emma Louise (# 3571) on :
 
glad to see that its not just me! I just tried the cafe and got "connection refused"....!!
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
quote:
code:
IO Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection timed out: connect)
[...]


I'm getting exactly the same data as Eutychus, but with 'timed out', see above.
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
We didn't touch anything.

Honest!
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
What euty said - so I'm hanging out in the cafe in my sig.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
What the hell happened? I was trying to log into the cafe - and not connecting..
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
I can't get in either, Alex, if it is any consolation.
 
Posted by fletcher christian (# 13919) on :
 
Can somebody let us know if there is a huge problem with the cafe?
 
Posted by cattyish (# 7829) on :
 
No cafe [Frown] How will I procrastinate from going to bed?
Cat
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Come to the cafe in my sig - we have three peeps atm
 
Posted by fletcher christian (# 13919) on :
 
Umm... has the person with responsibility for the cafe server been raptured?
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Still down - or appears to be...
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
AGGGHHHH!!!!

Cafe still down!
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Feel free to use the one in my sig - helps if you post on born to chat thread to say you're there, then folk are more likely to join you.
 
Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :
 
The admins and the geeks that do their bidding never actually bloody read this bloody thread, do they? Do they not know that the official Ship's cafe has sunk to the level of a lewd practical joke? It bloody never opens and I have a late-model iMAC with broadband that had no trouble at all getting in earlier this year.


[Mad] [Mad] [Mad] [Ultra confused]
 
Posted by Gort (# 6855) on :
 
Welcome to the wonderful world of custom javascript. [Killing me]
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Had an email from Melon - saying that apparently I need to use port 25424... Huh?

Does this mean we have to open other ports and start asking our ISPs to permit different traffic?

Please could an admin tell us EXACTLY what we have to do now?

Alex
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
I've checked the rules on my router - and I allow all outbound connections, and none inbound.

This has always worked in the past.
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sir Kevin:
The admins and the geeks that do their bidding never actually bloody read this bloody thread, do they?

I deeply resent the suggestion that it has ever even occurred to the geeks to do the admins' bidding!
quote:
I have a late-model iMAC
No wonder you are so bitter and twisted!

I think it should work a bit better now that the server is running. It looks like it was never restarted when we moved servers about a week ago.

Sorry about that, and thanks to Alex for PMing something that made enough sense for me to investigate, rather than assuming that it was yet another "It wasn't me it was my firewall" problem.

[ 25. October 2008, 13:20: Message edited by: Melon ]
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
Well I'm logged in, where's everyone else?! I shall send a small but perfectly-formed gift to the first three shipmates who make it aboard...
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
The lucky winners were Curiosity killed the cat, Christian Fletcher and Alex Cockell. Although I wonder if Curiosity should be disqualified for trying every 15 seconds day and night since the café went down.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
[Ultra confused]

Actually I wasn't complaining as I quite liked having time for real life! And was rather hoping someone was prioritising selling mugs.
 
Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :
 
Still waiting for mugs to make it to this side of the Pond.

[Waterworks]
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Thank you, Melon. Pease be with you.
 
Posted by Jenny Ann (# 3131) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sir Kevin:
The admins and the geeks that do their bidding never actually bloody read this bloody thread, do they? Do they not know that the official Ship's cafe has sunk to the level of a lewd practical joke?

To be honest Sir Kevin, if that's your attitude, I'm glad you can't get in - we'll have a better time without you.

Jen.
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
Actually, it's odder than I thought (the café, not Sir Kevin). Agent Pease is on the case...
 
Posted by Rossweisse (# 2349) on :
 
quote:
Round trip = 219 milliseconds...
Disconnected

Oh, well...

[Waterworks]

Ross
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
Rossweisse, that sounds to me like a firewall problem. You need to open port 25424. Try turning off your firewall (briefly) and seeing if that makes a difference.

Sir Kevin, which version of OS X are you running? On Apples, the version of java is tied to the version of the OS.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
OK - Sk came back to me - and I've done some digging.

SK - you said you bought your Mac back in early 2007 - this would have placed you at any of these levels

Model ; Date of release; OS (early); OS late
iMac (Late 2006 17-inch);Sept 2006;10.4.7;10.4.8

iMac (Late 2006 17-inch CD);Sept 2006;10.4.7;10.4.8, 10.4.10, 10.5.4

iMac (Late 2006 20-inch);Sept 2006;10.4.7;10.4.8

iMac (Late 2006 24-inch);Sept 2006;10.4.7;10.4.8

Looks as though you'd need this module - http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2733... Java for Mac OS X 10.5 Update 2 ... but it doesn't want to play on versions earlier than 10.5.4.

Looks like you may be running version 10.4.something - you'll need to buy a retail upgrade to 10.54 or later.. then reinstall software etc...

Might be a case for a clean install to Leopard..
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Melon - could you go back through the changes made? Was Java 1.4.2 OK at a pinch to get in until a few weeks back - then an uipdate done to match substrate to St P's box? At which point, anyone not running Java 1.5 as a minimum would have been locked out?
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Melon, Pease, what changes were made just before 02 Oct?
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
Absolutely nothing has been updated in the last couple of months.

Java on Macs sucks, because Apple ties it to the version of OS X. If you have an old Mac, you won't be able to use our software, or any other software that uses Java Webstart. If Apple sends out a duff patch for Java, there is very little you can do about it.

We have a user on St Pixels with a Mac on which Apple has so far installed six different versions of Java at the same time. In those circumstances, the only amazing thing is that java ever works.

If you believe that Steve Jobs has your best interests at heart, you should stand by your Mac and blame the rest of the world for not being compatible. If you don't, your options are to either do what Steve Jobs want and shell out for a shiny new Mac every 2 years or move to another platform - any other platform in the world will let you make your own decisions about java.

Installing Leopard might be good enough if your hardware is up to it.
 
Posted by Chelley (# 11322) on :
 
Old boot kicked out!
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
Seems to be working at present.

I think there are three main categories of problem here:
  1. The software crashes. It happens, when it happens it throws everyone out and sends us an email, and it restarts itself 30 minutes or so later. We have rewritten all the code at least once since the version currently running the café, so we don't anticipate trying to fix the current version - we hope to do a wholesale upgrade in the next few months.
  2. Individuals can't get in because of firewall issues, java issues, ISP issues or r-in-month issues. We can only try to fix those problems one case at a time, and, in any case, the problem isn't something we can control
  3. Sometimes Internet connections blip, and chat-type connections are much more sensitive to that than website browsing. That's just life.

So unless the café goes down for everyone and doesn't come back up, as happened last week, or unless it starts going down for everyone several times a day, there isn't a lot to say, which is why I haven't been following this thread that closely.
 
Posted by rebekah (# 2748) on :
 
I can't get into the cafe either. My computer seems to be treating it as a file (a file of which is it quite suspicious too!) and asks me, if I really want to open it, what programme I want to open it with, and I don't know what to reply.

Any suggestions?
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
That's an easy one. You need to upgrade java. Google 'download sun java' and follow your nose.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by rebekah:
I can't get into the cafe either. My computer seems to be treating it as a file (a file of which is it quite suspicious too!) and asks me, if I really want to open it, what programme I want to open it with, and I don't know what to reply.

Any suggestions?

Rebekah - what operating system are you running on your PC... and what version of Sun Java?
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
I'm in, but no one else is (they must see me coming).
 
Posted by Zeke (# 3271) on :
 
Am I understanding correctly? You mentioned to Sir Kevin that Mac OS 10.4.11 is too old to use the cafe? So we need to pay for some kind of sprocket or something from Apple? I sure didn't expect to have this kind of trouble before the thing was even 2 years old! I guess we will have to see how much it costs....apparently we didn't get the latest OS when we bought the computer in the first place. At least this is one of the first situations in which it's actually been a disadvantage to have a Mac.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Zeke:
Am I understanding correctly? You mentioned to Sir Kevin that Mac OS 10.4.11 is too old to use the cafe? So we need to pay for some kind of sprocket or something from Apple? I sure didn't expect to have this kind of trouble before the thing was even 2 years old! I guess we will have to see how much it costs....apparently we didn't get the latest OS when we bought the computer in the first place. At least this is one of the first situations in which it's actually been a disadvantage to have a Mac.

Yup.

You'll have to buy a service pack from Apple (actually, going from 10.4 to 10.5 is like going from XP to Vista).

http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MB576?mco=MTcwNDk1Mw

Will cost you 85 quid.
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
Did we capsize, or did I just fall?
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Option a), m'dear. [Frown]
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
It's back on. As if we didn't have anything else to do... [Disappointed] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Zeke (# 3271) on :
 
I spoke to a person at Apple about Leopard--it costs $129.00, but she says I may get a discount on it if I complain enough about getting an outdated OSX when I bought it.
 
Posted by Emma-Jean (# 7165) on :
 
I just get "Unknown Error: User attribute is of the wrong type", I used to be able to get on though... what's that about?
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
'User attribute is of the wrong type' usually means that there's some exotic character in your user name (which is what you should be using to log on, not your screen name).

OS 10.4 should be able to cope with the café. But...

... my wife failed to get into our French St Pixels service on Saturday and, on my return, it looks like java has broken on my (OS 10.4) Mac. This is probably good news, because, with Gwaelod's help, I might work out what the problem is and how to fix it.
 
Posted by Emma-Jean (# 7165) on :
 
Is it the hyphen then? Is there a way to work around it?
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
PM me your user name and I'll look into it.
 
Posted by Gwaelod (# 6140) on :
 
I've just made a few changes to counteract the bugs Apple introduced in their latest Java 5.0 version, and the Cafe now works with Mac OS 10.4 again.
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
I think the café should now work for those with hypens in their user names.
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Monsieur Le Melon/M Le Pease: Rufiki's posted over here about another Java problem which affects the Cafe. Can you help? Thank you. [Smile]
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
I managed to get into the cafe! The problem appeared to be with the shortcut I had set up. Have now got in using the Java control panel, which is less convenient but at least I know the problem is my end.
 
Posted by Jahlove (# 10290) on :
 
No big deal but just a bit puzzled as to why I can receive *private conversatio*n messages but not initiate them - double clicking an avatar does absolutely nothing.

I have:

Java SE 6 version 1.6.0_07
Mac OS X (10.5.5)
 
Posted by Paul M (# 37) on :
 
I have the same issue, on Linux, but with the same version of Java.

Just adding a datapoint. I rarely want to PM someone anyhow.
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
I cannot replicate that error (Linux with java 6).
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
AAAGGGGGGHHHHH! Just got dumped!
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Indeedy. Rough seas, eh? [Disappointed]

[ETA: Ok again.]

[ 19. November 2008, 22:25: Message edited by: Wesley J ]
 
Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :
 
How come the cafe just blows up in my face and gives error messages instead of opening as it did earlier this week?
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
It is protecting the other users? [Devil]

Apart from the Russian Roulette that is Apple Java support, we've identified an occasional issue on St Pixels where users have ended up running several copies of the software at once. Rebooting your machine (if you don't usually switch it off) would fix that (and switching off your computer would help save the planet, or something, too).
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
It isn't Melon. Sir Kevin has been into the café several times today.
 
Posted by Balaam (# 4543) on :
 
Is there a problem? I was in earlier today on wi-fi, but couldn't get in with a mobile connection. Now wi-fi has stopped working.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
You haven't logged out on the other computer

You are still showing as there.
 
Posted by Emma Louise (# 3571) on :
 
I cant download the cafe on my computer... but I have done in the past!! It went to computer hospital to be stripped and had new things put in it.

When I click on the cafe bit I get asked;

"do you want to save this file or find a program online to open it?" with options of find/save/cancel.

If I save it it then tells me its an "unknown file type" and "cannot open this file" with the option of looking online for the right programme....ARGG

I've tried it in IE and in firefox, same problem...

What should i do?!
 
Posted by KenWritez (# 3238) on :
 
My WinXP PC wants to upgrade its Java to 6.10. Any known issues between the Cafe and this version of Java?
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Ship cafe won't let me login [Frown] Says I am unregistered.

Specifically, it says:

Socket thread started
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<contexts>
<user_context xmlns:xcr="http://xcruciate.co.uk" id="a2731" name="reception"/>
</contexts>'
Context changed event fired
<commands/>

Round trip = 0 milliseconds
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<abilities>
<user_ability xmlns:xcr="http://xcruciate.co.uk" id="a2732" name="visitor"/>
</abilities>'
No consumer for nodes with name of 'abilities'
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<xcr:available_commands>
<xcr:command name="commands"/>
<xcr:command name="describe_commands"/>
<xcr:command name="describe_command"/>
<xcr:command name="registered"/>
<xcr:command name="unregistered"/>
</xcr:available_commands>'
New commands incoming
Command list complete for current context
New commands event fired
<registered pass="x" user="y"/>

Round trip = 328 milliseconds
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<xcr:message category="term" message_id="registered_login_failed">Login attempt failed</xcr:message>'
Disconnected


(Where x is my password and y my username.)

I am using Java 6, only thing that has changed since last time I used the cafe is that I updated my email address in profile and therefore had to change my password back from the auto-generated one once I logged in again.
 
Posted by Balaam (# 4543) on :
 
You don't log in with the username as it appears on the boards, you use the one you registered with.
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Yup, didn't use Doublethink, used the other one.
 
Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Melon:
Apart from the Russian Roulette that is Apple Java support, we've identified an occasional issue on St Pixels where users have ended up running several copies of the software at once. Rebooting your machine (if you don't usually switch it off) would fix that (and switching off your computer would help save the planet, or something, too).

I must do that more often at home. At school, I always shut down the computer for the weekend. I really do try to be green! My house is green and so is the roof and one of the cars.
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Emma Louise:
When I click on the cafe bit I get asked;

"do you want to save this file or find a program online to open it?"

What should i do?!

Install Sun Java.
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
I'm still unable to get into the cafe - and this thread seems to ahve eaten the post I put up saying that [Confused]
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Resaved my profile and password, cafe now working. Not sure why it worked, but it worked.
 
Posted by Gwaelod (# 6140) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by KenWritez:
My WinXP PC wants to upgrade its Java to 6.10. Any known issues between the Cafe and this version of Java?

We're now onto Java 6.11 which I've tested without issues.
 
Posted by Twilight (# 2832) on :
 
It's interesting to know that other Mac users have cafe trouble. The pace of most cafe conversation is uncomfortably fast for me, in any case, but I'm happy to know why I was never able to get to this one.
 
Posted by Gwaelod (# 6140) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jahlove:
No big deal but just a bit puzzled as to why I can receive *private conversatio*n messages but not initiate them - double clicking an avatar does absolutely nothing.

I have:

Java SE 6 version 1.6.0_07
Mac OS X (10.5.5)

I've just been trying this with OS X (10.5.6) with the latest Java update and all seems to work fine. Remember you can't have a private conversation with yourself, not in the Cafe anyway.
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
We were both in the cafe, on Sunday, I think it was, and she had to type in the main chat window to ask me to initiate a private conversation with her. She couldn't begin one with me from her computer. I had no trouble. As I understand it, this is an ongoing thing.

(edited because "was" and "is" are two different things and both words are not required)

[ 23. December 2008, 18:59: Message edited by: lily pad ]
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Just crashed out... and can't get back in.
 
Posted by Jahlove (# 10290) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Gwaelod:
Remember you can't have a private conversation with yourself, not in the Cafe anyway.

Shame [Big Grin]

(srsly tho', that function don't function for me - but, as mentioned, no big deal)
 
Posted by davelarge (# 186) on :
 
The cafe just crashed on me, and won't let me log back in. The error console gives the following message when I try to reconnect:
code:
Socket thread started
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<contexts>
<user_context xmlns:xcr="http://xcruciate.co.uk" id="a189" name="reception"/>
</contexts>'
Context changed event fired
<commands/>

Round trip = 812 milliseconds
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<abilities>
<user_ability xmlns:xcr="http://xcruciate.co.uk" id="a190" name="visitor"/>
</abilities>'
No consumer for nodes with name of 'abilities'
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<xcr:available_commands>
<xcr:command name="commands"/>
<xcr:command name="describe_commands"/>
<xcr:command name="describe_command"/>
<xcr:command name="registered"/>
<xcr:command name="unregistered"/>
</xcr:available_commands>'
New commands incoming
Command list complete for current context
New commands event fired
<registered pass="*****" user="davelarge"/>

Round trip = 1188 milliseconds
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<xcr:message category="term" message_id="registered_login_failed">Login attempt failed</xcr:message>'
Disconnected

(Note that I've blanked out the password field, but what was written there was correct.)

Any thoughts?
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
Sorry you crashed. We are still in. Maybe try again after rebooting?
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
dave - you were showing as still in the café until very recently - you're now showing as left, so you should be able to get back in now.
 
Posted by davelarge (# 186) on :
 
Ah, I tried again just now and it was working fine. No one else there though [Frown]

Sorry about that, one and all. Nothing personal, I promise.

[Edited to add: Also, sorry for borking the thread width with the code in my previous post. [Hot and Hormonal] ]

[ 24. December 2008, 22:10: Message edited by: davelarge ]
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Crashed currently.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
Oh no, it's not!

You're still showing as present though Wes
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Ta - seems to be all right now. [Eek!]
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Fell off, not sure it likes the newest java update - seems a little more unstable lately.
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
And again.
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Again !!!
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
I went to bed last night when I saw that post, but you are still showing as present in the café now, Doublethink.
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Wierd, cos I haven't logged in for hours.
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Working now, apparently XP had swallowed the window without switching off the java appllication - had to go into task manager and do switch to, noticed after I was pm'd and the worked. I wonder if that is a possible solution when you get booted for no reason.
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
K, chucked again and its defintely not XP this time. I think it must be the new java update.
 
Posted by Jahlove (# 10290) on :
 
me too, Doublethink
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
Just got in!

I'm using Firefox.
 
Posted by Emma-Jean (# 7165) on :
 
I just fell overboard and I can't get back in [Frown] Usually if my internet dies I can still get back in but this time no go.
 
Posted by JoyfulNoise & Parrot OKief (# 2049) on :
 
Just strolled into the cafe, did not load properly, just the text entry bar - and posted text hung in middle of a blank screen. Not sure if anyone was in there with me, couldn't see under the tables.
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
I was just there but was all by myself. [Frown] Woe is me.
 
Posted by Foaming Draught (# 9134) on :
 
Look, I know that you think I'm always moaning, but this caff is a disaster. Why on earth did you have to fix something which wasn't bust, and if you just wanted a change, why didn't you obey the golden IT rule of buying something off the shelf which does most of what you wanted?

Is roll-back out of the question for technical reasons, or just to save face?
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
If it's roll-back you want.....
Now, bring back the days of manual typewriters and cranking handles. The 20th century didn't need fixing.
 
Posted by JoyfulNoise & Parrot OKief (# 2049) on :
 
Much as I loved Goringe Cafe,
all for moving forwards and inovation.
[Smile] [Yipee]
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Fallen off again [Frown]
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
Your avatar is still there.
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Jah - your ghost has fallem out.
 
Posted by Jahlove (# 10290) on :
 
<rattles chains>

Gives one a Purpose in Life [Biased]
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Hm... has it just crashed or is it only moi? [Paranoid]
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
Nope, it's the third time it's crashed today. It's A Sign™ I need to do something else.
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Fell off again [Frown]
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Just got booted...
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Me too [Frown]
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Just managed to get back in - you are showing as in Alex, but no one else is.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
And it's back...
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Fell off again - think it was my internet connection this time.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
I just got slung out of the cafe...
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Me too. Meet me in Tumbleweed ?

[ 20. January 2009, 18:57: Message edited by: Doublethink ]
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
It's gone crunch again - The Sign™ to do other things
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
And crunch again - that time I posted a link and there was a horrible feeling of familiarity about it. Three of us in there, one had recently arrived, but hadn't arrived immediately, no-one had left.
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
Not much fun becoming a fatal exception.
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Crunchedychrunch... [Frown]
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
AAAGGGGHHHHH! - Been dumped out again...
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Me too, fucking thing is really starting to piss me off - did it used to crash this often ?
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Got there before you, Alex! [Razz]
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
It's back on.
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Isn't.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Cafe bailed out - some of us are over at DT's while it recovers
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Looks like the cafe doesn't like URLs with spaces...
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Fallen off again.
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
Overboard! Man the lifeboat!
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
Cafe seems quite fine now.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
This crunch there were four on the Bridge, two in the Gator lounge - no urls posted for some time.
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Alex Cockell:
Looks like the cafe doesn't like URLs with spaces...

Can you unpack that?

Following my last visit to the café I've found what I hope will be a source of sounds for the café, although it will take a few weeks to get the microphone and instruments into the same room.

Nothing has changed in the café software for months, so my best guess is that crashes happen more often with more people.

We expect to start work on the next major version of the café software soon. If you happen to be in Prague in March you could hear more about how it will work here.
 
Posted by Yorick (# 12169) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Melon:
We expect to start work on the next major version of the café software soon.

May I be the first to say,

'When will the new Café be available?'

Heh heh heh.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
Melon, the next few times the café crashed it didn't seem related to urls at all, and it's been fine with urls with spaces since, so I'm not sure Alex was right.
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
That's a pity, because it sounded like something we might have been able to patch easily (which, presumably, is why Alex found it an appealing idea).
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Thinks happy thoughts of sounds [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
And crunch - sorry UnShaggy. That time coincided with me posting a link.
 
Posted by UnShaggy (# 82) on :
 
Ah. No worries. Thought it was just me!
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
If people could PM me the links that appeared to coincide with the crash it might make some lights go on. (Or not, but it certainly won't make things any worse...)
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Crashed again - I was about to post this here:
code:
http://www.nzz.ch/images/london
%20schnee%201_defaultFormatImage
_1.1863941.1233588769.jpg .

Sorry about that. Too much snow on the intertubez lines. [Roll Eyes]

[Chopped up for scroll lock.]

[ 03. February 2009, 01:01: Message edited by: RooK ]
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
And Crunch - not sure why that time. I'd clicked on a link to the Ship to a post and was trying to post a reply, but it died before I'd done anything. About 8 or 9 of us in, all on the Bridge.
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
It's back on. I suppose it must have been me this time. - Hope you'll find the bug, Melon. Ta!

NOTE: I've tried above link again - and it crashed once more. So must be it. Good luck!

(I guess it should be back in a moment.)

[ 02. February 2009, 20:44: Message edited by: Wesley J ]
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Still can't get in - going to Tumbleweed
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Back up and running.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
And crunch - for no apparent reason other than I was casting aspersions on the theology or lack of it in the Basque Carol! angelic action in practice?

5 in there, I'd been in a few minutes, but had been chatting, no urls so far as I know.
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
I think I just crashed the Cafe.

It happened just as I pasted this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel%27s_Message

Got back in right away.

Pasted it again.

Crashed again.

Sorry!
 
Posted by monkeylizard (# 952) on :
 
After the Cafe dumps, I can never re-enter until I reboot my PC. I can get the login window to open, but after entering my ID and password, then clicking "connect" I get the following:

code:
IO Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect)
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : socketConnect at line -2
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : doConnect at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connectToAddress at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 98
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1

I get this no matter how long I wait after a crash.
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Seems it doesn't like "%" and/or underscores. Same problem with my link earlier.

(Thanks for fixing the scroll lock, Mr RooK. [Eek!] [Overused] )
 
Posted by monkeylizard (# 952) on :
 
Correction...I was able to get back in this time after a looooong wait of 15+ min. No reboot.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
And I crashed the cafe just now using lilypad's link.
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
What were you doing using my link when I was sound asleep in my bed? Couldn't you wait until I woke up?
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
Gwaelod was there and I thought I'd prove to him that I could crash the café
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
Oh, well then! By all means, feel free.
 
Posted by Gwaelod (# 6140) on :
 
And I've been checking out the posting URL stuff as a result.
 
Posted by Jahlove (# 10290) on :
 
All I typed was *Stroud* [Biased]
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Back on.
 
Posted by Jahlove (# 10290) on :
 
Good game, Good game, hope you're playing this at home
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
Where are you? No one is here. [Frown]
 
Posted by Jahlove (# 10290) on :
 
lily, just got in - said *hi* but then got those ignore/report messages - I could see you but not type
 
Posted by fletcher christian (# 13919) on :
 
you flippin melon
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jahlove:
lily, just got in - said *hi* but then got those ignore/report messages - I could see you but not type

Oh, you were typing and I could see you but you couldn't see you. I even saw the [Biased] at the end.
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by fletcher christian:
you flippin melon

Don't be melon-cholic, Fletcher - y'know, there's still this 'RL' thing out there. [Biased]
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
I can't get in. [Hot and Hormonal]

Melon, why did you crash the Cafe, again?
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Annnnnd.. crunch.
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
Is so not fun. I just got in and there it goes again. [Hot and Hormonal]
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
Oooooo, I am back in. Shhhhh.........don't tell Melon. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Jahlove (# 10290) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Wesley J:
]Don't be melon-cholic, Fletcher - y'know, there's still this 'RL' thing out there. [Biased]

[Ultra confused]
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
Looks like he meant it!
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
Doesn't he always?

[Waterworks]
 
Posted by Jahlove (# 10290) on :
 
[Killing me]
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
Cafe is open!
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
*grrrr*
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
It's only you fell out - it's your connection/set up!
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
*grrrr*
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Sorry, my fault didn't notice the % sign in the link.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Blew the cafe out for me as well...
Where is everyone headed?
 
Posted by Paul M (# 37) on :
 
I'm in the tumbleweed cafe.

The Ship cafe takes a while to come back is that right? (can't connect at the moment)
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
It's up again.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
We're in Tumbleweed's lifeboat...
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
Stone Moses shows how clever he is and Phut! we are kicked out.
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
Mushroom overboard!
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
I did try warning him [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Actually, I think it might have been me again. I typed in, "no its only urls with %s in" and the cafe went bang.

Now unless Stone Moses posted at the same moment with a dodgy url - then it reacted to the combination of the string url and %s in the same post. Without there actually being a url form http://www.stopit%20somemore.html posted.

I am going to Tumbleweed till it settles down from its hissy fit.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
OK, so it was you, Doublethink! (and crash again)
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Retried, yes it was definitely that sentence rather than an url that crashed the cafe.
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Sorry, but wanted to be certain, as previously thought it was wierd urls only. So no one discuss crime statistics in the cafe, as soon as you start mentioning percentages ...
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
But I posted % just before without crashing it, not with anything else, so it's not just the % sign.

And why haven't we discussed crime statistics? We've discussed a fair few other topics. To the embarrassment of some of the café residents.
 
Posted by cattyish (# 7829) on :
 
I'm glad the cafe thread showed up on the front page or I would have been confused [Smile]

Come on cafe, work, I want to boast about our impromtu mini shipmeet.
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
What mini Shipmeet would that be Cattyish?

Were are in here.
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Well ship cafe's still down, five of us are in Tumbleweed and alex has found that %s means string descriptor in printf - http://irc.essex.ac.uk/www.iota-six.co.uk/c/c2_printf_and_scanf.asp .

Hope that helps. (Tumbleweed link is in my sig.)
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
You really broke it this time, it's still down!
 
Posted by Emma Louise (# 3571) on :
 
Ican't get in but I guess its down for everyone then!

*really not impressed with the cafe at the moment*
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Got it!.

Apparently the sequence "%s" was within a line...

Syntax for Printf command denotes %s is the first operand after the free text... so it would appear that the client thinks its sending a null operand... and crashing..

You'll need to parse for it and quote it..
 
Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :
 
I wish people would stop screwing around with the cafe just to shut it down for fun and I wish that it had sound.


[Frown] [Disappointed]

I am moderately angry: will try other cafes parallel to the ship.
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sir Kevin:
I wish people would stop screwing around with the cafe just to shut it down for fun and I wish that it had sound.


[Frown] [Disappointed]

I am moderately angry: will try other cafes parallel to the ship.

No one did that. No one wants the Cafe to shut down. Everyone wants it to work properly. Finding out what is causing it to shut down is the goal.

I wish it had sound too.
 
Posted by Living in Gin (# 2572) on :
 
Not working for me, and I've been using it successfully until now. Here's what I got when I tried to log in:

quote:
IO Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect)
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : socketConnect at line -2
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : doConnect at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connectToAddress at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 98
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1

I'm running Firefox 3.0.6 on Windows XP Pro, Java 6.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
Living in Gin, that's what everyone gets, and it's the normal response when the café is down. It crashed on Saturday evening (UK time) and has not reset itself as it usually does. After it was realised that the café was not stable it was set to reset within about half an hour, but not this time.

We have spotted that one of the things that crashes the café is certain urls being posted. Melon asked, further up this thread and in the café, to note which urls are causing the crash so he can patch whatever the problem is. What you are seeing over the past few pages is people recording what happened before or when the café crashed, and quite often doublechecking to see if it really was that url that caused it.

Sir Kevin, when Gwaelod was in, he was almost certainly checking to see what happened as they hadn't seen it, which is why, after asking you, I posted one of the urls which was known to crash the café to show what was happening. This last time, the café went down with a few of us in there, and when it came up we doublechecked what had caused the problem, crashing the café again, but this time terminally, so it seems.
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
It crashes without there being a dodgy url posted. Will crash to %s in a sentence as well.
 
Posted by Gwaelod (# 6140) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Alex Cockell:
it would appear that the client thinks its sending a null operand... and crashing..

If that were so it would just crash your client, and not the server. The client isn't crashing, it just gets disconnected.
 
Posted by Revelle (# 8554) on :
 
I am much more bored today without my cafe.

[Frown]
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Revelle:
I am much more bored today without my cafe.

[Frown]

Hie thee unto Tumbleweed! See Doublethink's signature.
 
Posted by monkeylizard (# 952) on :
 
I would, but I get some goofy Java error on Tumbleweed (yes, I have the latest version). Triple Distilled's is blocked at w*rk. I guess I'll have to do some of that stuff these people pay me to do...

[ 10. February 2009, 19:15: Message edited by: monkeylizard ]
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
I'll see what I can do about that.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
Bugger ... have only been in a couple of times since I moved to NZ - never anyone there. Thought I would try it tonight (sad and bored ... long story) But
quote:
IO Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect)
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : socketConnect at line -2
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : doConnect at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connectToAddress at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 98
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1

... then I checked this thread. Ah well. Faeces happen. [Frown]


PS ... I have no idea what I'm running!

[ 13. February 2009, 07:17: Message edited by: Zappa ]
 
Posted by Foaming Draught (# 9134) on :
 
I ask again. We had a perfectly good café, with a devoted clientèle, why did you have to bust something which didn't need fixing? Whoever's responsible for this débâcle, are you so concerned with saving face that you won't roll back to a working system, or you can't?
 
Posted by Paul M (# 37) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Foaming Draught:
I ask again. We had a perfectly good café, with a devoted clientèle, why did you have to bust something which didn't need fixing? Whoever's responsible for this débâcle, are you so concerned with saving face that you won't roll back to a working system, or you can't?

IIRC the old cafe used software that had a subscription fee and that was part of the reason for replacing it. So "rolling back to a working system" would involve spending money.
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
If SoF'd like to charge an Cafe access fee, why not.

I'd just like to suggest, and with all due respect and in gratitude, that the Cafe might be made to work again, even in its present, imperfect form. Rather unexpectedly, I've come to like its current form and layout, with its typical SoF feel.

Apart from being more stable, all it'd need would be a few sounds (with the option to turn them off), e.g. for new person joining the chat, person leaving the chat, new message in main room, new private conversation, as well as perhaps a real time indicator, linked to the user's computer time. Finally, an option to sign 'be right back' or perhaps a brief message to write yourself, e.g. about when you'll be back would be warmly appreciated.

I'd like to express once more my gratitude to the Management, and to Melon, Gwaelod and Pease and everyone else involved, for their marvellous work in running the Ship, and I sincerely hope that we shall be able again soon, and to our heart's content, to uphold and strengthen our community via the live SoF Cafe. The Cafe for many is an essential element in building trust and community spirit on the good old Ship (may she sail forever!), and I thus feel its functioning ought to find due, and perhaps urgent, attention in due time.

Thank you very much for kindly considering our hearfelt plea. [Overused]

[ 13. February 2009, 14:36: Message edited by: Wesley J ]
 
Posted by fletcher christian (# 13919) on :
 
Daily weeping and gnashing of teeth begins for those left in outer darkness


[Waterworks]
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
FC, join us in Tumbleweed...
 
Posted by Jahlove (# 10290) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Wesley J:
If SoF'd like to charge an Cafe access fee, why not.


And how d'you see this Cafe access fee working then?
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Thinks for a nanosecond

Badly.

[ 14. February 2009, 19:49: Message edited by: Doublethink ]
 
Posted by Foaming Draught (# 9134) on :
 
OK, let's drop the word "fee". And how d'you see this Café access working then?

FD
 
Posted by Zeke (# 3271) on :
 
I haven't been able to get in the past few times I have tried. I get the same message Zappa posted
 
Posted by Arrietty (# 45) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Foaming Draught:
OK, let's drop the word "fee". And how d'you see this Café access working then?

FD

There's never been a fee for using the cafe as far as I know. There used to be an annual membership fee for using the boards, but that was dropped years ago.

I thought this referred to the software licence fee that SoF would pay for attaching someone else's chatroom software to the site. That would certainly be payable but it's not usually a huge amount. However you wouldn't get the level of customization that there is on this one.
 
Posted by Foaming Draught (# 9134) on :
 
I think I prefer function to customisation. You'll tell me next that ontologically it's a chatroom, and that whether or not one can actually chat is neither here nor there.
 
Posted by Arrietty (# 45) on :
 
I have no view at all on it since it's quite a long time since I went in the SoF chat room - I just have this thing about factual accuracy. [Smile]
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
It should be back now. In addition to crashing in the normal way, every so often it crashes in an "I'm dead but I won't admit it" way. Pease is planning to fix this by using stronger café-killer on restart.

The sounds have been ordered, and I hope we'll have them in the next few weeks.

We've started work on getting our new server code working with the café.

As to the %s error, it's almost certainly speech being interpreted as a printf string somewhere. The odd thing is that we found and fixed a bug like that, but porting that fix to the café doesn't seem to have made any difference. At this point it's likely to get fixed when we swap in the new server code.

I'm not sure what charging a fee to enter the café would change, but if the idea would make some of you feel better I'll be glad to give you my PayPal details.
 
Posted by Chelley (# 11322) on :
 
Thanks Melon [Big Grin]
Yep, it's working and I've wandered in, but there's no-one here so I'll have to talk to myself - either that or go and do something outrageous like work or the ironing!!!
 
Posted by Gort (# 6855) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Melon:
...I'm not sure what charging a fee to enter the café would change, but if the idea would make some of you feel better I'll be glad to give you my PayPal details.

Don't believe him, folks. I once tried to compensate him for services and he made me donate it to an evangelical group. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Chelley (# 11322) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Gort:
he made me donate it to an evangelical group. [Big Grin]

Acolytes Anonymous???
 
Posted by Gort (# 6855) on :
 
[Killing me] I'm not at liberty to say. I've probably embarrassed him enough.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Fell over with the following URL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Children%27s_games
 
Posted by Paul M (# 37) on :
 
Well that didn't last long. It's down again.
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Up again, like a randy politician's trousers after the division bell ...
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Gort:
I once tried to compensate him for services and he made me donate it to an evangelical group. [Big Grin]

I promise that if Grits tries to pay me lots of money I'll make her donate it to a liberal group.
 
Posted by Gwaelod (# 6140) on :
 
I've just uploaded a new version that should automatically update you when you next enter the cafe.

This new version stops the % character from ever being sent as speech so the server doesn't get upset.
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
Gee, Gwaelod, I was sort of enjoying the Cafe until you typed that.
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
All is forgiven. It is working again. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Crashed. Dunno what happened.
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
Must have been you, Wes. We are all still here. (Your avatar is too.)
 
Posted by monkeylizard (# 952) on :
 
Down again? Was in with several shippies, then my entries stopped showing up.

Exited, started again. Just stays on login screen.

the relevant part of the logging window appears to be:
code:
Round trip = 203 milliseconds
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<xcr:message category="term" message_id="registered_login_failed">Login attempt failed</xcr:message>'
Disconnected


 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
We are still in.
 
Posted by Melon (# 4038) on :
 
If you get anything back from the server, it's running. That message looks to me like there was a problem with your username or password.
 
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on :
 
So, is there somewhere on this site to make confessions?

I had just agreed with Sioni that even Myrrh must be right sometimes.

Seems the Cafe just couldn't cope with that and crashed.
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
I thought it was me! I had just tried to register to register on another site - could that have done it?
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
In again!
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Cafe crashed after I posted the following -

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7721718910773009169
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Ah, so it wasn't just me falling out then ...
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
and crunch
 
Posted by Angus McDangley (# 11091) on :
 
Man overboard!
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Not just me then.
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Off to Tumbleweed.
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
SoF cafe is back up.
 
Posted by flags_fiend (# 12211) on :
 
I can't get in the cafe [Frown]
 
Posted by flags_fiend (# 12211) on :
 
Whatever was up with it, it has now let me in [Smile]
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by flags_fiend:
Whatever was up with it, it has now let me in [Smile]

It is Up and I am In. On My Own [Frown]
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Did it crash, or is it only me? I can't seem to get in currently. - Thanks.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
It seems to be working for me, but very, very quiet.
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
All right - thank you muchly.
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Wesley J:
Did it crash, or is it only me? I can't seem to get in currently. - Thanks.

Bummer. Same thing again. I type, no reaction, I leave, and now can't get back in. Wierd. Hm...
[Paranoid]
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
*weird, actually... [Hot and Hormonal]

(Still can't get in. RL beckons...? Eeek!)

[ 16. April 2009, 14:10: Message edited by: Wesley J ]
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
And again. [Roll Eyes] Could it be a link I posted? Hmm... [Disappointed]
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
And again. No link posted this time.

Error message as follows:

code:
Unexpected disconnection (java.net.SocketException: Connection reset)
java.net.SocketInputStream : read at line -1
java.net.SocketInputStream : read at line -1
java.io.DataInputStream : readByte at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 108
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1

Should reset itself in about 15 minutes, I think. - Thanks for looking into this, Ship's techie geeks. [Overused]
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
I'm in.
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
I'm in.

Yeah - seems it's just me who's got that problem at the moment. Ah well.
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
And kicked out again...
 
Posted by Curious (# 93) on :
 
Wes, how could anyone kick you out of the Cafe? Surely you have squatters' rights????

Curious
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
It's me having problems with the café tonight. I've been kicked out three or four times. [Big Grin] - oh well - I'm trying uploading the latest version of Java to see if it helps.
 
Posted by Ye Olde Motherboarde (# 54) on :
 
Everytime I try it, no one is there. <SIGH> [brick wall]
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ye Olde Motherboarde:
Everytime I try it, no one is there. <SIGH> [brick wall]

Beloved in Christ - try this thread and make known to the world that you're available. It's already got 3 pages!

Looking forward to meeting you. [Smile]
 
Posted by Revelle (# 8554) on :
 
Just attempted to get in the cafe.

Says unknown user attribute in a Windows error box, then freezes. Ideas?
 
Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :
 
I'm guessing that it doesn't know you, and is very cold.
 
Posted by Revelle (# 8554) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RooK:
I'm guessing that it doesn't know you, and is very cold.

Me and the cafe have since made up.
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Kicked out again. Ah well...
 
Posted by dorothea (# 4398) on :
 
Booted out. I know I was being uncomplimentary about the 80's but blimey!!!
J
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Booted out - will try again after a short break.
 
Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :
 
Cannot get in. Is it shut down in honour of the community editor's birthday?
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
Nope, it's w*rking fine, but there's no-one in there and won't be either, gainful employment beckons.
 
Posted by monkeylizard (# 952) on :
 
<<crash>> 5:00pm London time on 5/15
 
Posted by monkeylizard (# 952) on :
 
It's back.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Just got booted..
 
Posted by Paul M (# 37) on :
 
not just me then
 
Posted by Qlib (# 43) on :
 
'twas the Youtue link what dun it
 
Posted by Miffy (# 1438) on :
 
me too
 
Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :
 
It's still broken at 22.22 GMT.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Backup cafe at http://trivialrubbish.blogspot.com/ - DT's old raft... while Melon etc get the Bridge restarted...
 
Posted by Balaam (# 4543) on :
 
It could have been my fault.

I got booted by losing wifi. When wifi came back a few seconds later the café was down.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
and crunch - I'd linked some cartoons - but it didn't go as I posted them, just some time later.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
It's back now. The link I posted was http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/cartoon/ - as posted by Traveller in Purg. But it lasted for long enough for Sioni to pick it up.
 
Posted by Paul M (# 37) on :
 
Any news on updates to the cafe? Sound?

Cheers
 
Posted by Revelle (# 8554) on :
 
Just got kicked off. Weeeee
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
Back in.
 
Posted by Angel Wrestler (# 13673) on :
 
*gasp* *cough* *sputter, sputter*

Was it just me who got thrown overboard just now? (May 29)

Something went wrong with my internet connection (it just suddenly stopped) and then when I fixed the problem, the cafe isn't letting me back in.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
You're still showing as in, so you won't be able to get back until you leave.
 
Posted by PentEcclesiastic (# 12098) on :
 
Is the café down? I haven't been able to log in for days. My java is updated too. Any tips?
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
The café has been working fine, however, I found that the latest Java updates caused problems with the café for me, so I uninstalled Java entirely, as it was sitting there in about 7 versions, and reinstalled just the latest version and that seemed to fix that problem.
 
Posted by Malin (# 11769) on :
 
Just got error messages and fell overboard! Can't reenter cafe at moment.???
 
Posted by Malin (# 11769) on :
 
Oh, back in now. [Ultra confused]
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
PLEASE could we have some sound cues or similar? I've missed 3 people today!
 
Posted by Bean Sidhe (# 11823) on :
 
In there now, anyone around?
 
Posted by pimple (# 10635) on :
 
I've had a number of problems with "updates" over the years and sometimes the only way out is to use "system restore". On one of these occasions I might have inadvertently chucked out Java. How do I find out?

Is there a subscription to the Cafe?

[ 02. September 2009, 15:06: Message edited by: pimple ]
 
Posted by pimple (# 10635) on :
 
OK I have installed java 6 and managed to get the first cafe window open. It wants my user name and password. Do i use a separate password for the cafe?
 
Posted by pimple (# 10635) on :
 
FAQs state that every page requiring a user name and password has a "lost password" link.

The one on the door of the cafe ain't. [Help]
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
It's the same password you use to sign into the Ship. And the same sign in name you use to sign in, not your user name. My sign in name is my real name - and I'm really not called Curiosity killed ...

Is your sign in name one of your previous user names?
 
Posted by pimple (# 10635) on :
 
Yep. Goddit. Many thanks. So I can use my real name in the cafe, right?
 
Posted by pimple (# 10635) on :
 
No. Hi. I got there, Typed a message. But how do I send it ? (Honestly, how useless can you get?)
 
Posted by monkeylizard (# 952) on :
 
press "Enter" ?
 
Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :
 
Thanks to CK! maybe I'll come back one day...
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
And crashed...
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
You may have crashed, we have not.
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
[Paranoid]
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
I'm getting this now. Hope that helps for remedial action. Many thanks.
code:
IO Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect)
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : socketConnect at line -2
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : doConnect at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connectToAddress at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 86
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1

ETA: It is says 'Attempting connection to host' - very befitting and eucharistic for a Sunday!

[ 06. September 2009, 07:12: Message edited by: Wesley J ]
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Cafe is working for me - though empty.
 
Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Wesley J:
I'm getting this now. Hope that helps for remedial action. Many thanks.
code:
IO Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect)
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : socketConnect at line -2
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : doConnect at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connectToAddress at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 86
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1

ETA: It is says 'Attempting connection to host' - very befitting and eucharistic for a Sunday!
It did that to me just now too!
 
Posted by Tea gnome (# 9424) on :
 
Arg. Coff, coff splutter. Still giving me error messages. Probably hinting that I should go and be useful.
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Booted me too.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
It's now functioning.
 
Posted by fletcher christian (# 13919) on :
 
You spoke too soon ck; I'm still in though
 
Posted by fletcher christian (# 13919) on :
 
[Waterworks]
My internet keeps dying and now I can't log back in
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Fell off [Frown]
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Back in now.
 
Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Fell out again [Frown]
 
Posted by Revelle (# 8554) on :
 
I just got kicked out, will not let me back in. [Frown]
 
Posted by Think² (# 1984) on :
 
You ghost has left the cafe, might be worth trying to re-enter now.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
Joyful Noise did something very interesting to the Café just now. Arrived with no avatar, no name and I couldn't get the Who's Here? menu up - I was on the rooms menu until they'd left.

The bar came up saying *enters* and *leaves* but no name, no nothing.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Another bug noticed - seems as though the cafe chokes in ampersands etc in the user's Ship name.

User "JoyfulNoise & Parrot OKief" logged into the cafe.. but it didn't show the user's name or avatar.. just blank. I suggest there is an issue around the ampersand character in the ID. Maybe it's one of those characters that may need to be ignored for Cafe logins?

Thanks to all the devs as always.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
Hang on, Alex, JoyfulNoise & ParrotOKief have been in the café fine before now. That's how I know the avatar.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Hmm - not sure as to why. Maybe a change has gone in that caused this regression.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
We had a funny tonight in the café (I was in there after sorting out Secret Santa, honest). Think² was managing to chat to me by pm, but the main room disappeared for her. It looked as if she was logged out but we could continue chatting by pm - both opening and closing the pm window. She still hadn't left as far as the café was concerned when I left just now - some time later.
 
Posted by Imaginary Friend (# 186) on :
 
Boing.

A quick question: Is it possible to stop private message windows from grabbing focus whenever a new message arrives? It's quite annoying!
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Ooops, crashed on me - sorry guys. No Christmas truce here then... [Disappointed]
 
Posted by amber. (# 11142) on :
 
Blast, network dumped me and now I can't restart comms into the cafe.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
You've gone now, you might be able to get back in.
 
Posted by wilson (# 37) on :
 
Is the cafe software still under on-going development? Are there likely to be any upgrades, new features etc? I note that back in February Melon said that sounds had been ordered and they hoped to have them installed in a few weeks. Clearly that didn't happen so I take it there was a problem there?

I'm not nagging, honest! Just curious...
 
Posted by fletcher christian (# 13919) on :
 
<waves>
 
Posted by ecumaniac (# 376) on :
 
Would a Windows-using cafe denizen please help me out? My personal Mac has died [Waterworks] and I can't work out how to install the cafe on the windows laptop I'm using as a stopgap.
 
Posted by monkeylizard (# 952) on :
 
I've just clicked the "Live Chat Cafe" link at the top of the boards. Depending on your browser, you may be prompted to allow pop-ups or perhaps an Active-X control (I can't recall which).

If still no luck, then you may need to manually install Java. Try www.java.com and click the "Free Java Donwload" button. then try the Live Chat Cafe link again.
 
Posted by ecumaniac (# 376) on :
 
Drat, I've got a permissions error. Might be blocked on my work laptop. No cafe for me [Waterworks]
 
Posted by Bean Sidhe (# 11823) on :
 
I've recently done a full restore on my laptop, and now can't open faverolle. I get 'windows doesn't know how to open this file' and none of the downloads MS offers fix the problem. Any ideas?
 
Posted by Japes (# 5358) on :
 
Am in the cafe for the first time in weeks, as have been having phone/internet problems at home... and am all alone! [Waterworks]
 
Posted by Japes (# 5358) on :
 
Apologies. I've just realised I posted on the wrong thread.
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
... and crashed. [Frown]
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Ship developers - this is actually a critical request.

IT appears that Ubuntu's managers have decided to remove Sun Java from their reporistories in Ubuntu 10.04 (the next release of their Linux distribution).

This will immediately put Ubuntu users up on a sandbar as GNU Java is not up to the same place... as soon as they upgrade.

Please could you ensure the cafe works fully with GNU Java (opengdk, I think) as well as Sun's? At least until Sun's product comes back in some form..
 
Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :
 
Café development for issues affecting more than three people are slow going. I suggest avoiding Ubuntu build 10.04 if the Café is really that important to you.
 
Posted by Think² (# 1984) on :
 
I believe it is nearly a year since we were told they were going to put sounds on.
 
Posted by Think² (# 1984) on :
 
Sorry I didn't say hello when you came in pæse, I was on another window.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RooK:
Café development for issues affecting more than three people are slow going. I suggest avoiding Ubuntu build 10.04 if the Café is really that important to you.

It's the next Long-Term Support build, so may I suggest that tests against the IcedTea and OpenJDK version of Java is put on the maintenance list?

This is likely to affect all used of Mint, Dell's next major release of Linux (as they are downstream of Ubuntu LTS) etc.

I'm just giving you all a heads-up.
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
Sorry Alex, but I still don't understand why Ubuntu users won't be able to download their Java directly from Sun - regardless of whether it's in the repositories.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by rufiki:
Sorry Alex, but I still don't understand why Ubuntu users won't be able to download their Java directly from Sun - regardless of whether it's in the repositories.

Easier and safer for all concerned if it's coming from Canonical's repos...

Rather than having to muck about with tarballs...
 
Posted by Jahlove (# 10290) on :
 
regardless of the technical issues involved, bottom line is, and has been since this *redevelopment* - the SoF cafe is not something anyone who is in a position to do anything about it gives a toss about - if they did, there would have been sound at least a long while ago

[ 17. February 2010, 21:03: Message edited by: Jahlove ]
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
A sound demand, methinks. Thank you.
 
Posted by Janine (# 3337) on :
 
I'm in the Ubuntu/Linux/Mint crowd right now. Plan on the big upgrade in the spring.

I haven't had sound since the Cafe revamp however many years back -- and I really need the sound to be able to use it properly. So I don't go to the Cafe much. I used to really enjoy it.
 
Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Alex Cockell:
may I suggest that tests against the IcedTea and OpenJDK version of Java is put on the maintenance list?

Absolutely. And we do appreciate the heads-up.

I apologize for the snark; it just does seem like the Café is very slow to be updated.
 
Posted by Think² (# 1984) on :
 
Linux compatiblility is going to be more of an issue over time, as mass marketed netbooks are starting to come out with it as an OS.
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Alex Cockell:
quote:
Originally posted by rufiki:
Sorry Alex, but I still don't understand why Ubuntu users won't be able to download their Java directly from Sun - regardless of whether it's in the repositories.

Easier and safer for all concerned if it's coming from Canonical's repos...

Rather than having to muck about with tarballs...

No, still not with you. Are you really saying that there's a big risk in downloading a product from Sun Microsystems? A risk so great that our volunteer developers should spend extra time working on this just for the benefit of a handful of users?
 
Posted by wilson (# 37) on :
 
OK - because I am sad and have no life I set up a VM, installed the latest test version of "Lucid Lynx" (i.e. Ubuntu 10.04) and attempted to log in to the cafe.

I had to install openJDK but once I'd done that it worked fine.

Everything seemed ok. I could see everyone, their icons etc. I successfully pm'd Alex so that works. I changed the font size.

I checked and it didn't have Sun Java installed so it's not like it was really using that.

So that's that. [Smile]
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
wilson [Overused]
 
Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :
 
Incidentally, development work on the Café costs money.
 
Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RooK:
Incidentally, development work on the Café costs money.

Pots and pots of it
 
Posted by Think² (# 1984) on :
 
Roughly how much to get sound ?
 
Posted by monkeylizard (# 952) on :
 
[Dr. Evil]
One meeeeelion dollars, muahahaha
[/Dr. Evil]
 
Posted by Tubbs (# 440) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Think²:
Roughly how much to get sound ?

Probably depends on how much else needs to be done in order to get it.

Tubbs
 
Posted by wilson (# 37) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Think²:
Roughly how much to get sound ?

It would be nice to have a response to this because I'd be willing to contribute towards sound in the cafe.

Alternatively, if it would help, I'd be willing to donate some time as a programmer to the effort.
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Question: What happens when St Pixels transfer to a new server and are all re-done, as announced recently? Will the SoF Cafe be lost? (The addy is at stpixels.) [Ultra confused]

Thanks for your comment - whoever it may concern.
 
Posted by pease (# 6) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Wesley J:
Question: What happens when St Pixels transfer to a new server and are all re-done, as announced recently? Will the SoF Cafe be lost? (The addy is at stpixels.)

We'll find a suitable vessl in which to keep it afloat...
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Thanks. So we shall be at pease. [Overused]
 
Posted by Think² (# 1984) on :
 
fallen off again [Frown]
 
Posted by Think² (# 1984) on :
 
*and again*
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
First time I've gone overboard for ages.
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
I fell out, and it won't let me back [Frown] .

ETA: snap!

[ 24. March 2010, 22:24: Message edited by: rufiki ]
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Same here - cafe crashed on me..
 
Posted by Think² (# 1984) on :
 
And me.
 
Posted by Think² (# 1984) on :
 
Fell out.
 
Posted by Think² (# 1984) on :
 
Fell out AGAIN
 
Posted by wilson (# 37) on :
 
Just got booted out and can't get back in.

Will try again in 15mins
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Same here. Cafe crashed.
 
Posted by Think² (# 1984) on :
 
I am giving up for the night - gnight guys.
 
Posted by Think² (# 1984) on :
 
Fell out again.
 
Posted by Think² (# 1984) on :
 
Back in - with the ghost of Wes.
 
Posted by Think² (# 1984) on :
 
Fallen out again
 
Posted by Mamacita (# 3659) on :
 
Sig check
 
Posted by Think² (# 1984) on :
 
Fell off again
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
So you did. Connection problems, praps? [Frown]
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
and splosh
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Fell out suddenly.. what happened?
 
Posted by Japes (# 5358) on :
 
Me, too. Won't let me back in!
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
I'm getting a security warning before the Cafe log-in screen is loading:

quote:
The application's digital signature has an error. Do you want to tun the application? [...] The digital signature was generated with a trusted certificate but has expired.
FYI. Thank you. [Smile]
 
Posted by Gwaelod (# 6140) on :
 
You can quite safely continue to use the software, nothing has changed, except time. Just tick the box to say you continue to trust the software as you have done for quite some time and carry on.

The certificate on the application has expired and a new one was ordered last week. We'll apply it as soon as we get it.
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Thought as much. Many thanks, Gwaelod.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Devs,

Any chance we could have support for https:// clickableURLs in the cafe, as well as http:// ones?

THanks
 
Posted by Think² (# 1984) on :
 
fell out again
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
The Café has just crashed, I suspect - usual exception report - error at line 619 iirc.
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Works fine for me. You might be stuck, however.
 
Posted by Think² (# 1984) on :
 
fell off
 
Posted by Think² (# 1984) on :
 
fallen off again
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
definitely telling me the error is at line 619
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Cafe's just crashed out
 
Posted by dorothea (# 4398) on :
 
Ah..and I thought I'd been evicted!
 
Posted by Think² (# 1984) on :
 
fell off again
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
T2 - we're still in there.
TRy logging in..
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
The cafe locked up completely.. I had to bomb out.. kill Firefox, wait till I could ping the Ship again.. and then get back in. Something REALLY worrying is going on.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
I had to bail out and go wired to check something out - getting VERY slow response form my ISP.

I tried getting back into the cafe - it's not letting me back on.

Please could someone fix it as soon as possible - or advise how long I have to leave it...
 
Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Alex Cockell:
advise how long I have to leave it

We apologize for the inconvenience, Alex. Our crack team of electro-baristas reports that the Café is infested with eels. It'll be at least two days to lure them out, swab the place, and get the servers percolating again.
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
And kicked out. Ah well.
 
Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :
 
Damn eels.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
RooK - you'll probably be amused to know that your eels are now the reason for people going overboard or going silent in the café
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
It can indeed be eelily silent at times.

Though, of course, the Cafe being honoured by Mr RooK's regular presence might be even more entertaining. May or may it not be an eelery.
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
In other news, a Cockney delicacy is currently on the cafe's specials board.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Ship session froze again. Locked me out.
 
Posted by Autenrieth Road (# 10509) on :
 
Just got a curious message as I started the Cafe:

"The application's digital signature has an error. Do you want to continue?"

I said yes and Cafe seems to be working normally. Just thought I'd let TPTB know.

I'll go test and see if I get the error a second time.
 
Posted by Autenrieth Road (# 10509) on :
 
Nope, error didn't happen when I tried the second time. So that's good.
 
Posted by Autenrieth Road (# 10509) on :
 
Ah, it's been pointed out to me this is a known error. Carry on.
 
Posted by cattyish (# 7829) on :
 
I can't get in. Has the Ship hung up some religious symbols at the door of the cafe and prevented Buffy fans from entering? Or is there a force field?

Cattyish, off to bed.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Crashed out at about 12:55. Anyone around to fix it?
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Works for me. No ghosts around.

[ 26. June 2010, 12:19: Message edited by: Wesley J ]
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Brilliant. Now it's my turn. [Frown]

Where's Bob The CafeBuilder when you need 'im! He can fix it. Yes, he can. [Help]
 
Posted by 3rdFooter (# 9751) on :
 
just a minor niggle. If you use the smiley button, it doesn't insert the necessary space between your text and the code for the smiley. You end up with some colons and other characters tacked on the end of your message.
 
Posted by cattyish (# 7829) on :
 
I've been kicked out for the second time ever.
Cat
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
And finally just gone from the café
 
Posted by Japes (# 5358) on :
 
Eek! Japes overboard and it won't let me back in... I'll paddle around for a bit, then try again.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Just got booted out of the cafe
 
Posted by wilson (# 37) on :
 
moi aussi
 
Posted by Curious (# 93) on :
 
I can't get the Cafe log in to show anymore. Haven't changed my computer; haven't deleted anything! Anyone got an idea how I might fix it?
 
Posted by monkeylizard (# 952) on :
 
(assuming Windows, not Mac) I've had it happen before. To solve it I have removed Faverolle from the Add/Remove programs list. Reboot the PC, then connect to the Cafe again. Faverolle will be reinstalled automatically.
 
Posted by Curious (# 93) on :
 
Just tried that - but it doesn't seem to have changed anything. Still can't get a cafe connection [Frown]
 
Posted by Curious (# 93) on :
 
Updated Java - now it all seems to work [Smile]
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
And crashed again. My internet may have briefly lapsed. - Pity you'll need to stay logged out for a bit.
 
Posted by Angel Wrestler (# 13673) on :
 
Just tried to log in and got the following warning message:

Warning - Security

The application's digital signature has an error. Do you want to run the application?

So ... should I continue?

[ 22. August 2010, 22:20: Message edited by: Angel Wrestler ]
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Angel Wrestler:
Just tried to log in and got the following warning message:

Warning - Security

The application's digital signature has an error. Do you want to run the application?

So ... should I continue?

Yep. [Smile]

It's a glitch which hasn't been fixed yet.
 
Posted by Loveheart (# 12249) on :
 
PC crashed, now can't get back in! [Waterworks]
 
Posted by Loveheart (# 12249) on :
 
YAY! [Yipee]
 
Posted by Son of a preacherman (# 4181) on :
 
It's just bombed me out too... and I can't get back in [Frown]
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
'Shroom overboard as well.
 
Posted by Liberty (# 713) on :
 
and me!

I figured it was a sign I should stop procrastinating my errands, but it's thrown us all out, so maybe not.
 
Posted by Quizmaster (# 1435) on :
 
All alone and wanting to talk Greenbelt.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
I've just gone splash
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Got kicked out myself as well.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
I've gone overboard - usual error codes, so I suspect it's chucked us all out
 
Posted by fletcher christian (# 13919) on :
 
yep - me too
 
Posted by Gamaliel (# 812) on :
 
I've just crashed out too ...

I thought it was just me ...
 
Posted by Gamaliel (# 812) on :
 
It seems to be working now. But no-one's there ...
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Looks like the ship just capsized - and uprighted itself...
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Cafe locked up - cannot get back in.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
To H&A - HELP!

I've been locked out of the cafe... and cannot log back in.

Please assist.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
Alex, you're still here as a ghost. You won't get back in until you've left

It's what happens when you have a dodgy connection.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
FOllowing error log.

ava Web Start 1.6.0_22
Using JRE version 1.6.0_22-b04 Java HotSpot(TM) Server VM
User home directory = /home/alex
----------------------------------------------------
c: clear console window
f: finalize objects on finalization queue
g: garbage collect
h: display this help message
m: print memory usage
o: trigger logging
p: reload proxy configuration
q: hide console
r: reload policy configuration
s: dump system and deployment properties
t: dump thread list
v: dump thread stack
0-5: set trace level to <n>
----------------------------------------------------
Config file = jar:http://livechat.shipoffools.com/java/Faverolle/Salmon.jar!/Resources/config.xml
Loading bubble of type speech with prefix = bubble_
Loading bubble of type room_welcome with prefix = g_bubble_
Loading bubble of type room_announce with prefix = w_bubble_
Loading bubble of type system with prefix = y_bubble_
Loading bubble of type warning with prefix = r_bubble_
Setting window colour
Socket thread started
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<contexts>
<user_context xmlns:xcr="http://xcruciate.co.uk" id="a1018" name="reception"/>
</contexts>'
Context changed event fired
<commands/>

Round trip = 100 milliseconds
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<abilities>
<user_ability xmlns:xcr="http://xcruciate.co.uk" id="a1019" name="visitor"/>
</abilities>'
No consumer for nodes with name of 'abilities'
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<xcr:available_commands>
<xcr:command name="commands"/>
<xcr:command name="describe_commands"/>
<xcr:command name="describe_command"/>
<xcr:command name="registered"/>
<xcr:command name="unregistered"/>
</xcr:available_commands>'
New commands incoming
Command list complete for current context
New commands event fired
<registered pass="denim12" user="alcockell"/>

Round trip = 455 milliseconds
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<xcr:message category="term" message_id="registered_login_failed">Login attempt failed</xcr:message>'
Disconnected

Please assist.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
Alex, you're still here as a ghost. You won't get back in until you've left

It's what happens when you have a dodgy connection.

Please could you PM me when I can get back in/
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
You've just left as a ghost.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
AAAAUUUUGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!

I'M SUFFERING MASSIVE PACKET LOSS AND NOT GETTING BACK INTO THE CAFE!!!!!

Please could someone let me know when I can get back in? I have IM clients running and can be got via Facebook as well.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
FAO Hosts and admins.

Please could you advise how long the timeout is before users who have lost comms can log back into the cafe? EG - how long do "ghost" avatars take to time out?

Could this be clearly documented, please?
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
you've left Alex
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
To H&A - I posted when panicked to the Perpetual Cafe Chat Thread on 04 Dec 2010 at around 10:55 - and left my phone number there. Please could you edit and remove my phone number?
 
Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :
 
This has been looked after, Alex Cockell.
 
Posted by Tubbs (# 440) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Alex Cockell:
FAO Hosts and admins.

Please could you advise how long the timeout is before users who have lost comms can log back into the cafe? EG - how long do "ghost" avatars take to time out?

Could this be clearly documented, please?

The Ship - the boards and the cafe - are run by volunteers across several time zones. Issues are dealt with as and when people can get to them. A 24 hour plus wait for a response or a fix is not unreasonable.

I suggest that in future if you're unable to get into the cafe, you go and do something else for a few hours and then try again.

Tubbs
Member Admin

[ 06. December 2010, 14:07: Message edited by: Tubbs ]
 
Posted by mattyou (# 15646) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Tubbs:
quote:
Originally posted by Alex Cockell:
FAO Hosts and admins.

Please could you advise how long the timeout is before users who have lost comms can log back into the cafe? EG - how long do "ghost" avatars take to time out?

Could this be clearly documented, please?

The Ship - the boards and the cafe - are run by volunteers across several time zones. Issues are dealt with as and when people can get to them. A 24 hour plus wait for a response or a fix is not unreasonable.

Indeed. However I think this was more of a technical question regarding the length of the timeout set in the software, if it is so simple an issue as that.
 
Posted by Erin (# 2) on :
 
But we don't know. And honestly, right now the cafe is not a priority for the staff. I'm sorry to say that, but we don't have enough time to manage everything, so we have to devote our time and energy to the areas of greatest traffic. That's not and has never been the cafe. I'm sorry, but for right now that is how it is.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
If I remember correctly from when Melon was setting up the café he set it to reset every half an hour or so. So if you do go overboard, or it crashes, depending where in the half hour cycle the crash is, the whole thing resets in time and everyone can get back in.

And yes, the café is not very well used at the moment so no, it shouldn't be priority.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
For the record, I was simply asking a technical question about the current timeout config.

If it's possible - it would be useful if this could be communicated.
 
Posted by Tubbs (# 440) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Alex Cockell:
For the record, I was simply asking a technical question about the current timeout config.

If it's possible - it would be useful if this could be communicated.

Based on experience in a previous online system support job, how long you're stuck in the system depends on what's happened. Most systems will boot out IDs where there's been no activity after a set time. - between 15 and 30 minutes. Clearing your cache and deleting your cookies may also help. (But it may not).

If you're well and truely stuck for whatever reason, then you may need to be booted out manually. And how long that takes depends on how long it takes someone to get round to it. As all the technical staff are volunteers, this may take a while.

Tubbs
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Tubbs:
quote:
Originally posted by Alex Cockell:
For the record, I was simply asking a technical question about the current timeout config.

If it's possible - it would be useful if this could be communicated.

Based on experience in a previous online system support job, how long you're stuck in the system depends on what's happened. Most systems will boot out IDs where there's been no activity after a set time. - between 15 and 30 minutes. Clearing your cache and deleting your cookies may also help. (But it may not).

If you're well and truely stuck for whatever reason, then you may need to be booted out manually. And how long that takes depends on how long it takes someone to get round to it. As all the technical staff are volunteers, this may take a while.

Tubbs

Umm - I don't believe that clearing cache etc really has much of an impact on Java sessions... only really when browsing. But if it's the case that a timeout has been set (say) for 20 mins... maybe this could be dropped onto an FAQ or help page of sorts?

Means the query is headed off...
 
Posted by Tubbs (# 440) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Alex Cockell:
quote:
Originally posted by Tubbs:
quote:
Originally posted by Alex Cockell:
For the record, I was simply asking a technical question about the current timeout config.

If it's possible - it would be useful if this could be communicated.

Based on experience in a previous online system support job, how long you're stuck in the system depends on what's happened. Most systems will boot out IDs where there's been no activity after a set time. - between 15 and 30 minutes. Clearing your cache and deleting your cookies may also help. (But it may not).

If you're well and truely stuck for whatever reason, then you may need to be booted out manually. And how long that takes depends on how long it takes someone to get round to it. As all the technical staff are volunteers, this may take a while.

Tubbs

Umm - I don't believe that clearing cache etc really has much of an impact on Java sessions... only really when browsing. But if it's the case that a timeout has been set (say) for 20 mins... maybe this could be dropped onto an FAQ or help page of sorts?

Means the query is headed off...

This thread is the nearest you've got to an FAQs and Erin's post suggests that isn't going to change any time soon.

As a rule of thumb, if you are stuck in the cafe as a ghost, then you need to allow at least 30 minutes for the system to kick you out. (Not 20 minutes as per your post).

If you still can't get in, you'll need to wait for someone to reset the system. As per my previous post, a 24 hour plus wait for this to be done is not unreasonable. (And they won't contact any of the cafe users to tell them that stuff is fixed. You don't always get that with the services you pay for!)

Tubbs
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
And splosh!

This is being posted for a couple of reasons - to log times when the Café crashes, and secondly to tell others in the café that there's been a general crash - which is what I suspect has happened from the error report.

<typo>

[ 23. December 2010, 20:08: Message edited by: Curiosity killed ... ]
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
And crash...! [Frown]

Just when we were rehearsing those Carols... [Biased]
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Confirmed - crashed out here...

*coughing, spluttering*
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Crashed. Old traditions continued into a new year. Niiiiice. I think. [Biased]
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
You're the only one crashed - sorry and all that
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
I am unable to log into the cafe for whatever vigil is running - this was also the case at 4:20 today.

Cannot read XML from server (org.xml.sax.SAXParseException: XML document structures must start and end within the same entity.)
com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.DOMParser : parse at line 249
com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.jaxp.DocumentBuilderImpl : parse at line 284
javax.xml.parsers.DocumentBuilder : parse at line 124
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : processData at line 302
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 127
java.lang.Thread : run at line 662

Please could someone in H&A investigate.. and may I suggets that if the intention is for the cafe to be running for a vigil - that a problme-reporting process is left open... maybe one thread int he whole of Styx?
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
Second attempt got me in to a full view of users - and then crashed out.
Cannot read XML from server (org.xml.sax.SAXParseException: The value of attribute "xmlns:xcr" associated with an element type "null" must not contain the '<' character.)
com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.DOMParser : parse at line 249
com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.jaxp.DocumentBuilderImpl : parse at line 284
javax.xml.parsers.DocumentBuilder : parse at line 124
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : processData at line 302
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 127
java.lang.Thread : run at line 662
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
When you were struggling Alex, there were over 50 people in the café and it wasn't coping well
 
Posted by Barnabas62 (# 9110) on :
 
Thanks to all of you who labour on this resource. With commiserations to those who found it hard to "get in" and "stay in", the Cafe was a remarkable place today and later this evening. I caught about half the Wake (which was marvellous), checked in again this eve after a Java update, and all seemed well.
 
Posted by Tubbs (# 440) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
When you were struggling Alex, there were over 50 people in the café and it wasn't coping well

It may not have been designed to support that many people being logged in at once which is why some experienced problems. I'm sorry about that.

BTW, The board software only allows you to open or close the boards - all or nothing!

Tubbs
Member Admin

[ 10. January 2011, 10:26: Message edited by: Tubbs ]
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
... and splash! [Frown]
 
Posted by FooloftheShip (# 15579) on :
 
same here - not waving any more so must be presumed drowning...
 
Posted by Gamaliel (# 812) on :
 
I just fell out of it ... sploosh!
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Back in. [Smile]
 
Posted by noor (# 16215) on :
 
I'm running Chrome - the chat room feature doesn't seem to work with this OS. Any known work-arounds?
 
Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :
 
Not here. I used to be able to chat at school: no more.
 
Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :
 
Welcome Noor. You may wish to post on the newcomer's thread in All Saints. Can you work around Chrome?
 
Posted by noor (# 16215) on :
 
I'm kinda weak working with Chrome right now - I'm beta-testing the Google Cr-48 notebook. I'm not a developer, rather testing as a "typical user". The chat feature works in the Chrome browser in Ubuntu and Windows, but not in Chrome OS. Just wondering if anyone here had some tips.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by noor:
I'm kinda weak working with Chrome right now - I'm beta-testing the Google Cr-48 notebook. I'm not a developer, rather testing as a "typical user". The chat feature works in the Chrome browser in Ubuntu and Windows, but not in Chrome OS. Just wondering if anyone here had some tips.

Do you have Sun Java or OpenJDK installed?
 
Posted by Think² (# 1984) on :
 
grr, could get in earlier today - when I wasn't free to talk - now my &^(&ing pc is not letting me back in.
 
Posted by noor (# 16215) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Alex Cockell:
Do you have Sun Java or OpenJDK installed?

I do not have java yet, apparently- working on it. I've found a walkthrough, but it involves rooting the thing and I'm a little out of my depth with that.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by noor:
quote:
Originally posted by Alex Cockell:
Do you have Sun Java or OpenJDK installed?

I do not have java yet, apparently- working on it. I've found a walkthrough, but it involves rooting the thing and I'm a little out of my depth with that.
Haven't Google packaged Java up put it in their repository?
 
Posted by no_prophet (# 15560) on :
 
Is there a "how to" or a place where errors can be explained for the cafe? 20 odd pages in this thread seemed just a little too much to wade through. I just thought I would try the cafe tonight. I presumed username and password in the Java window is the same as for the boards. Or is a special registration required? Perhaps there is a max number of users/bandwidth problem? I shouldn't think that Java would care much about OS and browser etc. But for full info my OS info from $ cat /proc/version is
code:
Linux version 2.6.35-22-generic (buildd@rothera) (gcc version 4.4.5 (Ubuntu/Linaro .4.4-14ubuntu4) ) 
#33-Ubuntu SMP Sun Sep 19 20:34:50 UTC 2010

Using Linux Mint version of this. Firefox, Arora, Chromium all initiate Java fine the same way. The Java log window reports the stuff below, comment lines by me start with a "#".
code:
  Socket thread started
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<contexts>
<user_context xmlns:xcr="http://xcruciate.co.uk" id="a3033" name="reception"/>

# the id= number changes on attempts.

</contexts>'
Context changed event fired
<commands/>

Round trip = 0 milliseconds
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<abilities>
<user_ability xmlns:xcr="http://xcruciate.co.uk" id="a3034" name="visitor"/>
</abilities>'
No consumer for nodes with name of 'abilities'
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<xcr:available_commands>
<xcr:command name="commands"/>
<xcr:command name="describe_commands"/>
<xcr:command name="describe_command"/>
<xcr:command name="registered"/>
<xcr:command name="unregistered"/>
</xcr:available_commands>'
New commands incoming
Command list complete for current context
New commands event fired
<registered pass="xxxxxx" user="no_prophet"/>

#removed password above

Round trip = 288 milliseconds
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<xcr:message category="term" message_id="registered_login_failed">Login attempt failed</xcr:message>'
Disconnected



[ 07. March 2011, 12:30: Message edited by: Tubbs ]
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
That sort of error comes up when the café has crashed. It does reset every so often so that any crash is not usually permanent. However, that might be a sign in error. I don't normally get a long error message if I sign in incorrectly.

Your sign in is the same as the boards - so for me it's my real name and the password I was sent for the boards. If you did that, do you have an underscore as part of your name? Because not all the extra punctuation and other symbols were set up initially as possible in sign in names.

The café starts getting overloaded at 50 people in there, which sounds unlikely for last night.
 
Posted by no_prophet (# 15560) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
If you did that, do you have an underscore as part of your name? Because not all the extra punctuation and other symbols were set up initially as possible in sign in names.

Don't know about the limitations on the cafe's implementation of java. Underscores are supposed to be allowed with java since a 2006 bug fix for usernames I though. I'm afraid I picked up the underscore habit from the Unix days. I can try again later today. Thanks for the post.
 
Posted by no_prophet (# 15560) on :
 
Nope. I think unless the underscore goes, I probly won't be having any cafe chats. If someone is doing java prg'ing perhaps they can be asked if this is indeed the problem or if they plan to implement the fix for underscores. No knowing what I might be missing otherwise - so just don't tell me! [Biased]
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Stuck as a ghost. [Paranoid]
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Wesley J:
Stuck as a ghost. [Paranoid]

Replaced ethernet cable now, using brandnew one. Now there's hoping...
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
I suspect the café might have crashed - not 100% sure because I've had recent internet connection updates which came with health warnings.
 
Posted by Gamaliel (# 812) on :
 
Well, I fell overboard ...
 
Posted by fletcher christian (# 13919) on :
 
yep, it died
 
Posted by Gamaliel (# 812) on :
 
It's back again now, I've just been in and it's like the Marie Celeste.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
She's back
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
And sploosh...

Cafejust crashed me out.
 
Posted by Enigma (# 16158) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Alex Cockell:
And sploosh...

Cafejust crashed me out.

I'm in now - anyone welcome
 
Posted by rufiki (# 11165) on :
 
1000 posts - is that some sort of record?

I have crashed out. Anyone else?
 
Posted by FooloftheShip (# 15579) on :
 
I am sat htere in solitary splendour, after some considerable period splashing around....
 
Posted by Tukai (# 12960) on :
 
is this computer working?
 
Posted by lunar (# 16251) on :
 
Hi anyone involved, I'm having a prob getting into the cafe. I download Faverolle, but then get a message asking me what program to open it with, but nothing works. I have Windows 7 starter on a Samsung N150 if that helps.
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by lunar:
Hi anyone involved, I'm having a prob getting into the cafe. I download Faverolle, but then get a message asking me what program to open it with, but nothing works. I have Windows 7 starter on a Samsung N150 if that helps.

A couple of us are in, but we're regular users. Try Sun Java 6 but it isn't always straightforward. I'm probably better off with XP!

That's about the limit of my tchnical expertise.
 
Posted by lunar (# 16251) on :
 
Thanks Sioni, I downloaded Java 6 and that sorted it.
 
Posted by Think² (# 1984) on :
 
Fell out.
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
So did I, it looked as if it crashed
 
Posted by Think² (# 1984) on :
 
It is working now
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
I suspect the café has crashed
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
and back now
 
Posted by fletcher christian (# 13919) on :
 
:waves:
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Could it be that the Cafe is now definitely broken? I've just updated java, browser is FF 26.0, Win XP SP3.

quote:
Unable to launch the application!
code:
java.lang.SecurityException: Missing required Permissions manifest attribute in main jar:
http://addressofcafeserver.net/java/Faverolle/Faverolle.jar
at com.sun.deploy.security.DeployManifestChecker.verifyMainJar(Unknown Source)
at com.sun.deploy.security.DeployManifestChecker.verifyMainJar(Unknown Source)
at com.sun.javaws.Launcher.doLaunchApp(Unknown Source)
at com.sun.javaws.Launcher.run(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)

Sadness.

[ 17. January 2014, 19:50: Message edited by: Wesley J ]
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
With latest Java - getting all kinds of security warnings.. certificates are all out of date - and security files aren't there...
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
So - that is it then? Goodbye, thou old and (t)rusty Cafe?
 
Posted by Late Paul (# 37) on :
 
I can get in from my Linux desktop but not my Windows XP laptop. It looks like the latest official Java is more fussy about security which makes sense (they took a lot of flak over some security vulnerabilities a while back).

The "cafe" itself is fine and working as it ever was, it's just persuading java to run it without all the security i's dotted and t's crossed is a bit of a pain.
 
Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :
 
I can always get in, at home on the iMac and at school on the Windows machines, but there's never anyone there!

[Roll Eyes] [Frown]
 
Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
It's the security issues. I'll use the café on the spare laptop which doesn't have anything personal on it, but it's a faff to get it up and running when there's so rarely anyone there. And that laptop is on borrowed time.
 
Posted by Alex Cockell (# 7487) on :
 
I'm on my primary laptop I use for work - not risking it.

I'm on FB and Twitter though..
 
Posted by St. Stephen the Stoned (# 9841) on :
 
I can't get in from my Mac under OSX, but got in using Linux Mint in VBox.

There was nobody there.
 
Posted by Japes (# 5358) on :
 
I can no longer get into the Café since I changed my laptop, and the old one was not keen on letting me in.
 
Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
gave up because Java screws with my machine anyway - the bundling of ASK crap means I will never use it.

But I haven't been a café regular since I left wankydilla at the end of 2006.
 
Posted by pjl (# 16929) on :
 
Recently bought new computer.
Down loaded java 7 and landed straight on the
bridge.
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
I've just been to the Live Chat Cafe again, after having updated Java, and added a security exception to for the (unfortunately...) only http and not https securised Cafe address.

Would it be possible to upgrade the Cafe address to https, and if yes, what would this cost? Access via http Java is deemed very unsafe.

Thanks. [Smile]

(If desired, please feel free to get in touch with me via the board e-mail icon. Ta!)
 
Posted by fletcher christian (# 13919) on :
 
Still can't open the file at all. Does nothing. Hasn't done anything for me on two kinds of Windows and a Mac since 2012. [Frown]
 
Posted by Wesley J (# 6075) on :
 
Indeed. I'm on Win 7, and relucantly had to add a Java security exception, see here on how to proceed. However, I'm hesitant to use this for more than experimental access.

Thus I'd appreciate comments on my earlier enquiry above. Ta. [Smile]
 
Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :
 
The chat functionality is not a high priority for our technical/editorial team, though options are being considered. You can reasonably expect those considerations to be pending for the foreseeable future.

Sorry.
 
Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
Never should have given up the Gorringe.
 


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