Ship of Fools: Britain and Prophecy

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Posted by Kaplan Corday (# 16119) on :

My wife and I were wondering this morning how the old school dispensationalists and British Israel people are going to deal with Brexit.

For a bit of relief from all the serious political and economic analysis of it in Purgatory's monster thread, perhaps we could share any of their reactions that we might come across - or even use our imaginations to invent some possible examples.

DIY eschatology, anyone?

Posted by Stetson (# 9597) on :

I guess the Holy Lamb of God will now need a passport if he ever again wants to walk upon those mountains green.

[ 25. June 2016, 01:11: Message edited by: Stetson ]

Posted by Eutychus (# 3081) on :

I think they are part of the Leave demographic, so they are probably feeling quite smug.

I have to go and teach a course on Revelation this afternoon. The possibilities of fun are endless.

Posted by Schroedinger's cat (# 64) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Stetson:
I guess the Holy Lamb of God will now need a passport if he ever again wants to walk upon those mountains green.

How dare you suggest he don't reside here permanently? He is English, after all.

Posted by jacobsen (# 14998) on :

He's been here since he planted the Glastonbury Thorn when he travelled over with Joseph of Aramitheia.

Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Eutychus:
I have to go and teach a course on Revelation this afternoon. The possibilities of fun are endless.

I hope you're pointing out to them that the seven-headed beast is actually the early EU, with the woman with the crown of stars being the spirit of it personified, possibly Angela Merkel.

Posted by Enoch (# 14322) on :

This is no joking matter. I heard of somebody recently who had been persuaded to vote leave by 'prophetic' arguments. I have also read something that somebody I know had been sent a few weeks ago arguing in a similar way. A piece that came from a well known campaigning organisation since the result which I thought came perilously close to the same sort of thing.

I would class this as spiritual abuse of one's position.

Posted by Brenda Clough (# 18061) on :

WE do it better here in the states. At least half a dozen of this year's crop of GOP presidential contenders had been (they said) specificlly told by God to run. I trust that the Almighty said nothing about winning.

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

quote:
Originally posted by jacobsen:
He's been here since he planted the Glastonbury Thorn when he travelled over with Joseph of Aramitheia.

Well, he had to pop back to Palestine to be crucified and all. Then he came home again.

Posted by Kaplan Corday (# 16119) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Enoch:
This is no joking matter. I heard of somebody recently who had been persuaded to vote leave by 'prophetic' arguments. I have also read something that somebody I know had been sent a few weeks ago arguing in a similar way. A piece that came from a well known campaigning organisation since the result which I thought came perilously close to the same sort of thing.

I would class this as spiritual abuse of one's position.

Unfortunately spiritual blackmail occurs right across the political spectrum.

Posted by St. Stephen the Stoned (# 9841) on :

quote:
Originally posted by jacobsen:
He's been here since he planted the Glastonbury Thorn when he travelled over with Joseph of Aramitheia.

Here at the Church of Jesus Christ In Albion (founded by Joseph of Arimathea in 33 AD) we welcome the Great Separation from the Whore of Babylon that is the Treaty of Rome. And Brussels, or Brucellosis as we know it.

We would be tweeting joyfully about it, but mobile phones are forbidden us since one of our more elderly Elders discovered that gold is used in their manufacture. Gold has been forbidden since our Foundation, as it was a gift to Our Saviour at His Birth, and belongs to Him alone. (This has held us back over the millennia, as you can imagine. Trading in silver and leather goods is somewhat volatile)

Incense is also forbidden, and myrrh will be banned as soon as we find out what it is.

Posted by Stetson (# 9597) on :

quote:
Originally posted by jacobsen:
He's been here since he planted the Glastonbury Thorn when he travelled over with Joseph of Aramitheia.

Heh. I did a particular You Tube search, making a mental bet with myself that there would be things in the comment section relevant to this thread. Sure enough...

Posted by Rev per Minute (# 69) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:

quote:
Originally posted by Stetson:
I guess the Holy Lamb of God will now need a passport if he ever again wants to walk upon those mountains green.
How dare you suggest he don't reside here permanently? He is English, after all.

That's as maybe, but his Father is Welsh - and Welsh is the language of heaven. Which means that Jesus could play for Wales, but he wouldn't get a place in the current football team!

Posted by Trudy Scrumptious (# 5647) on :

I know this is all quite light-hearted, as it should be here in Heaven, but I have actually heard a lot of discussion of the Brexit vote as a sign of the end times predicted in prophecy, so have started a thread in Kerygmania if anyone's interested in discussing what actual beliefs people might have about Britain and the EU tying in to Biblical prophecy.

Posted by HCH (# 14313) on :

As I understand it, one of the major signs of "end times" in Britain is supposed to be the return of Arthur from his long sleep to save his country in their darkest hour. I know that happened in one of Leonard Wibberley's novels, but I haven't seen any news stories about it otherwise. (Or do people think of Winston Churchill in such terms?)

I seem to recall that before the end, France should return to the rule of reason. I haven't heard about that either.

Posted by Stetson (# 9597) on :

quote:
I seem to recall that before the end, France should return to the rule of reason. I haven't heard about that either.

By "reason", you mean the philosophy of the Enlightenment? If so, I assume that from the p.o.v of Christian End Times theorists, that's supposed to be a bad thing? Fevered visions of wild-eyed masonic marauders staging sacreligious rites in Notre Dame and whatnot.

quote:
As I understand it, one of the major signs of "end times" in Britain is supposed to be the return of Arthur from his long sleep to save his country in their darkest hour.

But what if he's caught between the moon and New York City...?

Posted by The Phantom Flan Flinger (# 8891) on :

quote:
Originally posted by St. Stephen the Stoned:

myrrh will be banned as soon as we find out what it is.

It's a sort of balm......

Posted by Mudfrog (# 8116) on :

quote:
Originally posted by The Phantom Flan Flinger:

quote:
Originally posted by St. Stephen the Stoned:

myrrh will be banned as soon as we find out what it is.
It's a sort of balm......

Good for nappy rash, so I believe. Quite appropriate therefore [Smile]

Posted by Gamaliel (# 812) on :

In case anyone missed it, Babylon Bee had an amusing post on the prophecy thing in connection with the EU

http://babylonbee.com/news/dispensationalists-frantically-adjust-charts-include-brexit-vote/

Posted by Stetson (# 9597) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Gamaliel:
In case anyone missed it, Babylon Bee had an amusing post on the prophecy thing in connection with the EU

http://babylonbee.com/news/dispensationalists-frantically-adjust-charts-include-brexit-vote/

That's barely satire. In fact, I'll bet most pre-mils are incorporating the Brexit into their time-lines a lot more seamlessly than the parody characters in Bee's article. For most of them, I doubt there will be even the slightest hint of an adjustment.

'Twas always thus. Pretty much anything that happens in world politics gets read into pre-millennial narratives. Maybe if Israel somehow ceased to exist(like, its citizens vote in a referendum to disband the country and give all the land to the Palestinians), that might trip them up a bit. And even then, they'd probably find a way around it. (And the British Israel crowd could even say it's the first step toward the Holy Land going back to the real Jews!)

[ 05. July 2016, 15:39: Message edited by: Stetson ]

Posted by Stetson (# 9597) on :

In case anyone is interested in what Hal Lindsey has to say on Brexit.

The video isn't loading on my computer, though I'd wager he's nowhere near breaking a sweat over this.

Posted by Gamaliel (# 812) on :

Sure, and so the 'Higher' end of things don't feel left out, there's also Marian stuff about Britain being Our Lady's 'dowry' and so on ...

Posted by Stetson (# 9597) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Gamaliel:
Sure, and so the 'Higher' end of things don't feel left out, there's also Marian stuff about Britain being Our Lady's 'dowry' and so on ...

I'd be interested to read the logic behind that one.

If the idea is that Britain is the dowry given by Mary to her "husband" God, represented on Earth by the RCC, then the Brexit would seem to be a bit of a snag in that that narrative. I would think that being more removed from the continent would entail being more removed from Catholic influence.

Though I guess there are different ways to read it. If Europe is seen as a bastion of godless socialists and debauched libertines, then Mary might be happy that the UK is moving away from it.

[ 05. July 2016, 17:48: Message edited by: Stetson ]

Posted by Stetson (# 9597) on :

Ah, okay. Just did a google.

I'm still not clear if the "dowry" metaphor is meant to indicate that Mary owns England, and gives it to God(in line with the traditional direction of a marital dowry), or that God has given it to her.

In any case, if there are any significant numbers of Catholics expecting the UK to return to the bosom of Rome any time soon, I'd say the Bonfire festivals need to crank up the sectarian hijinks a little bit. Someone has clearly NOT been getting the message!

[ 05. July 2016, 17:55: Message edited by: Stetson ]

Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Stetson:
In case anyone is interested in what Hal Lindsey has to say on Brexit.

The video isn't loading on my computer, though I'd wager he's nowhere near breaking a sweat over this.

There's a link on that page to the transcript--turns out he's charging $20 for it!
[Eek!]

Posted by Jengie jon (# 273) on :

quote:
Originally posted by HCH:
As I understand it, one of the major signs of "end times" in Britain is supposed to be the return of Arthur from his long sleep to save his country in their darkest hour. I know that happened in one of Leonard Wibberley's novels, but I haven't seen any news stories about it otherwise. (Or do people think of Winston Churchill in such terms?)

I seem to recall that before the end, France should return to the rule of reason. I haven't heard about that either.

No, it is better than that according to Alan Garner (don't ask me where but it connects into some of his Arthurian stuff). At the height of the Battle of Britain the rumor has it of a squadron in white painted planes fighting for the British than came from nowhere and then vanished. Alan Garner tells it better and given his closeness to local stories I suspect it is not entirely of his own imagining.

Jengie

Posted by Matt Black (# 2210) on :

I agree with the comments about Brexit tripping up the dispy eschatology: they usually have a certain grim smugness when things go 'badly' (according to their interpretation of apocalyptic sections of the Bible) eg: Britain being in the EU and people ganging up on Israel, so I don't know how they react to 'good' news eg: Brexit. It must be a bit like the hypochondriac being told by his doctor, "I'm very sorry Mr Sproggins, but we've had the test results back and there's nothing wrong with you."

Posted by Brenda Clough (# 18061) on :

I remember in Garner's Weirdstone of Brisingamen how the king is sleeping in a cave under the tor, in company of two hundred knights and their milk-white steeds. Had not heard the airplane variation!!

Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :

quote:
Originally posted by HCH:
As I understand it, one of the major signs of "end times" in Britain is supposed to be the return of Arthur from his long sleep to save his country in their darkest hour.

Still no sign of Arthur. Things can't be that bad then.

Posted by HCH (# 14313) on :

The Wibberley novel I mentioned is "The Quest of Excalibur", and it is a lot of fun.

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