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Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :
 
… are taking over the world.

Down our way in foie gras land, the Racist Demagogue Party aka the FN got bloody 40% of the vote. When I go down there next, I’m going to be looking at all the neighbours and the people in the shops and all the rest and thinking, “are you a Nazi sympathiser? Was it you?” This was on a turnout of about 50% I believe so I suppose the one respect in which I can thank Marine the Xenophobic Racist Witch Lepen for doing her civic duty is that all the people who stayed at home in the first round might bother to go and vote in the second to prove that the French are not quite so xenophobic as they look at the minute. I think the FN are generally quite good for democratic participation that way. Still, I hear a result like that and I think, “who are these people?” I don’t personally know anyone who doesn’t view Marine Lepen as basically the most terrifying woman in France, but clearly someone’s voting for her tribe of vicious racists. A lot of someones.

I opened my shutters this morning and saw the tricolor in the neighbour’s window and suddenly I felt a bit bothered about it. We are under attack! Let’s all unite behind the Republic by voting for the most anti-democratic, anti-republican load of demagogues on the ballot! Or something.

Meanwhile the Donald is saying that the US should close its borders to every single Muslim person in the world without exception. And there are people who actually take him seriously.

I am pessimistic about the future of the developed world. Clearly this was exactly the way to stop Daesh destroying our democratic freedoms [Roll Eyes] .

What the hell is wrong with people?
 
Posted by Barnabas62 (# 9110) on :
 
Fear.
 
Posted by Gamaliel (# 812) on :
 
Which is precisely the reaction that ISIS want to achieve. Well done Marine and well done Donald for helping them with that ...
 
Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :
 
And there's that bloke starting up Pegida in Birmingham. [Roll Eyes]

I think we're going to see a lot more of this sort of thing, unfortunately. Donald Trump is seriously worrying, though. Can you imagine, if he ever got in!
 
Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ariel:
Can you imagine, if he ever got in!

I've already done it, so you don't have to.
 
Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on :
 
My Doomsday scenario is Trump as PotUS and Boris as PM...
 
Posted by Alan Cresswell (# 31) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Barnabas62:
Fear.

is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
quote:
Originally posted by Barnabas62:
Fear.

is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
It certainly increased the popularity of the KKK and various right-wing regimes in the 1920's and 1930's (some of which staggered on until the 1980's).

To say that it doesn't matter because those who vote for racists are stupid misses the point. There are many stupid people. They have not all historically voted for racist parties and like more intelligent and better educated people they deserve representation.

Most of all, many racist parties are led by people who have tremendous people skills even if they are not remotely intellectual.
 
Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
My Doomsday scenario is Trump as PotUS and Boris as PM...

Mine is Trump as POTUS and Corbyn as PM with Marine Le Pen running France and Pegida having a good crack at running Germany.
 
Posted by betjemaniac (# 17618) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ariel:
quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
My Doomsday scenario is Trump as PotUS and Boris as PM...

Mine is Trump as POTUS and Corbyn as PM with Marine Le Pen running France and Pegida having a good crack at running Germany.
There're two i's in ruining....

[ 08. December 2015, 12:37: Message edited by: betjemaniac ]
 
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on :
 
My dream is an impermeable wall between Canada and the US to keep all those nutjobs out. With a small one-way door to export all our home-grown nutjobs so they can be with like people. And mostly to keep my newly minted American citizen brother who agrees with those idiots away from me.
 
Posted by Tubbs (# 440) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
quote:
Originally posted by Barnabas62:
Fear.

is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
Yoda?! Well, it would explain alot, but you know how to string a sentence together

Tubbs
 
Posted by Sipech (# 16870) on :
 
One of the more perceptive comments I saw following Trump's delusional train of semi-consciousness was that his extremism risks making some highly xenophobic and racist positions seem more reasonable.

When the nut jobs and fruitcakes of UKIP allow Cameron & Osborne to claim to be 'centrist', then the sheer fuckwittery of Trump could even make Sarah Palin seem like a sage voice.
 
Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :
 
I don’t think Marine Lepen is stupid. I think she is very, very intelligent. That’s what worries me. [Help]

I don’t think the time has come for a Lepen presidency. My prediction for the 2017 presidential election is this: she will make it into the second round in first place ahead of someone from the (non-extreme) right, possibly Nicolas Sarkozy. At this point people will dig out their old “I am ashamed to be French” placards from the last time this happened and take to the streets beating their breasts. The second round will have a turn-out of 90%, large numbers of people will vote “anyone but Lepen” with a clothes peg on their nose and the other candidate will win, whoever they are. You heard it here first.

OTOH, while Lepen may be incapable of getting elected President, I think there is a very real possibility of the FN taking a couple of regions, especially the ones like foie gras land where the other candidates are stubbornly refusing to do any kind of deal with each other to keep them out. That alone is reason enough to be very afraid AFAIC.
 
Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
I don’t personally know anyone who doesn’t view Marine Lepen as basically the most terrifying woman in France

Then perhaps you need to get out of your cosy little left-wing echo chamber a little more often.
 
Posted by Brenda Clough (# 18061) on :
 
No one could make Sarah Palin sound like a sane voice. At least we have that.
I have hopes that the cowardly GOP candidates will speak up against Trump -- they have every incentive to do so, and may well develop some spine. And all Hillary Clinton has to do is keep her nose clean and her head down, and let Trump cut his party's throat. He pretty well guarantees that the next president will be a Democrat.
 
Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
quote:
Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
I don’t personally know anyone who doesn’t view Marine Lepen as basically the most terrifying woman in France

Then perhaps you need to get out of your cosy little left-wing echo chamber a little more often.
Ha! This is France, remember, where proper Socialism is alive and well. We even have a bona fide Communist party you can vote for if you want.

Nonetheless, as it happens, most of my acquaintance vote for the moderate right. Guess what? They are very alarmed by Lepen. She is an extremely nasty piece of work who has done a great job of repackaging the extreme right to make it look like the common-sense voice of the people. It is racist demagoguery at its worst and very, very dangerous.

ETA on the Côte d'Azur the moderate right candidate has dropped out and told all his supporters to vote for the Socialists to keep the FN out. It's not just the left who are calling them dangerous.

[ 08. December 2015, 14:08: Message edited by: la vie en rouge ]
 
Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :
 
Dangerous in what way? What do you think they would do were they to gain power? What have they done in any local authorities where they already have power (if any)?
 
Posted by Alan Cresswell (# 31) on :
 
And the Donald Trump fictions extend to London and Paris, where apparently police are in fear for their lives because entire sections of the city have been so radicalised. BBC News.
 
Posted by mr cheesy (# 3330) on :
 
Yeah, Donald Trump, the police in London are so scared that they walk about without guns and arrest a suspect in a terrorist attack with a non-lethal taser - without firing a single shot.

You are clearly out of your tiny mind.
 
Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
Dangerous in what way? What do you think they would do were they to gain power? What have they done in any local authorities where they already have power (if any)?

Lepen's attitudes to immigration, brown people and Islam are appalling.

I'm fairly sure her policy on Europe would be catastrophic for the French economy.

She engages the worst kind of demagoguery and populism, appealing to people by offering simple, "obvious" answers to complex problems. You can't find a job? It's so simple! It's the brown people's fault! If the FN told me the sky was blue I would go and check.

It's the same old ugly nationalism dressed up to look reasonable and acceptable. Which makes it even more dangerous than her father's brand. There was no doubting that he was a raging racist antisemite, so less people got taken in.
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
I don’t think Marine Lepen is stupid. I think she is very, very intelligent. That’s what worries me. [Help]

I don’t think the time has come for a Lepen presidency. My prediction for the 2017 presidential election is this: she will make it into the second round in first place ahead of someone from the (non-extreme) right, possibly Nicolas Sarkozy. At this point people will dig out their old “I am ashamed to be French” placards from the last time this happened and take to the streets beating their breasts. The second round will have a turn-out of 90%, large numbers of people will vote “anyone but Lepen” with a clothes peg on their nose and the other candidate will win, whoever they are. You heard it here first.

OTOH, while Lepen may be incapable of getting elected President, I think there is a very real possibility of the FN taking a couple of regions, especially the ones like foie gras land where the other candidates are stubbornly refusing to do any kind of deal with each other to keep them out. That alone is reason enough to be very afraid AFAIC.

That is pretty much what happened before. In 2002 Marine's evil father, Jean-Marie LePen got to the second round in a head-to-head with Jacques Chirac. Although the election was billed as "The Crook versus the Nazi", Chirac won with 82% of the vote.
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
Most or all of the non-Donalds in the clown car have called Trump on his rhetoric. Not often or enough, perhaps, but they've not been entirely silent.

quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
In 2002 Marine's evil father, Jean-Marie LePen got to the second round in a head-to-head with Jacques Chirac. Although the election was billed as "The Crook versus the Nazi", Chirac won with 82% of the vote.

If Hillary goes toe to toe with the Donald, it will be billed as the Wall Street shill versus the madman.

[ 08. December 2015, 17:57: Message edited by: mousethief ]
 
Posted by Brenda Clough (# 18061) on :
 
Is Ms. LePen married? I had a sudden horrible vision of crossing her line with a Trump.

On a more cheery note, American mayors bar Trump from their towns.
 
Posted by Honest Ron Bacardi (# 38) on :
 
Not my fave, but nevertheless -

Boris (Mayor of London) has responded thus:-
quote:
...Crime has been falling steadily both in London and in New York - the only reason I wouldn't go to some parts of New York is the real risk of meeting Donald Trump.


[ 08. December 2015, 18:52: Message edited by: Honest Ron Bacardi ]
 
Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :
 
Why does Donald Trump refer to himself in the third person?
 
Posted by Brenda Clough (# 18061) on :
 
Clearly, because Jehovah does. Only the best for Trump!
 
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on :
 
Trump: the T is silent.
 
Posted by mr cheesy (# 3330) on :
 
I'm surprised Boris and Trump-et don't get on. They share a hairdresser, after all.
 
Posted by PaulTH* (# 320) on :
 
Barnabbas62's one word answer "Fear" is what's happening here. Millions of refugees heading into the EU from Africa and the Middle East. Paris attacked by Muslim extremists twice in one year. What do you expect? These situations always breed extremism. We tend to be tolerant when our lives are easy. When we all have jobs and there is prosperity. When nobody threatens our security. The current situation in Europe is dire. Mrs. Merkel will soon discover that her own people don't share with enthusiasm her offer of asylum to almost a million people. Fences are going up all over Europe. Shengen is a dead duck in the present situation. However much we may hate it, it isn't difficult to see what's going on.
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ariel:
Why does Donald Trump refer to himself in the third person?

He is an unlikely Rastafarian.
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
Is Ms. LePen married? I had a sudden horrible vision of crossing her line with a Trump.

On a more cheery note, American mayors bar Trump from their towns.

I wonder if they are the same mayors that barred Syrian refugees from their towns?
 
Posted by irish_lord99 (# 16250) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Trump: the T is silent.

[Killing me] [Killing me] [Killing me]
 
Posted by Egeria (# 4517) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ariel:
Why does Donald Trump refer to himself in the third person?

Because he thinks he's Gaius Julius Caesar?
 
Posted by Schroedinger's cat (# 64) on :
 
I used to think that people with such extremist views, vile words and bad hairstyles were OK because they could never get elected. Then I look at the last 20 years in the US and UK and realise that I have it wrong. I realise what the truth is:

A whole lot of very stupid, selfish, manipulable people have the vote*.

Because the voting system is not truly democratic, this means that vile, manipulative people can get power. So maybe the answer is that people should stop voting for the curry-meal-excrement of the earth, just because they are promised everything they want. Politicians lie, some more than others. In the end, all they want is power, and it wont corrupt them, because they are already utterly corrupt.

* I don't mean that everyone who votes Tory is stupid. I mean that there are a lot of stupid voters.
 
Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
quote:
Originally posted by Ariel:
Why does Donald Trump refer to himself in the third person?

He is an unlikely Rastafarian.
Rastafarians do that??

I saw on Wikipedia that one of his wives {Ivana?} started the nickname "The Donald".
 
Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :
 
quote:
Golden Key: Rastafarians do that??
What I know is that Rastafarians don't use the personal pronoun that renders them as an object, so they say 'I' instead of 'me'. Sometimes this becomes 'I and I', and then it includes Jah.
 
Posted by Sipech (# 16870) on :
 
Maybe the American right wing idea that Obama is a Muslim is actually a psychological projection of the guilt they have over the fact that Trump is a secret Rastafarian. [Devil]
 
Posted by Schroedinger's cat (# 64) on :
 
You think the Rastas would accept Trump with a hairstyle like that? I mean, they may celebrate by not washing or brushing their hair, but I think the Trump-wig would be beyond the bounds of acceptability.

I suspect he refers to himself in the third person to distance himself from his own vile views. Maybe there is a part of him that is still human, and realises that he spouts dangerous diarrhoea.
 
Posted by Doublethink. (# 1984) on :
 
I think Trump is a prime example of someone who uses bullshit, as opposed to merely lying. As in, the truth is irrelevant to him, rather than something he deliberately tries to misrepresent.

[ 09. December 2015, 10:40: Message edited by: Doublethink. ]
 
Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
Because the voting system is not truly democratic

In what way?

quote:
So maybe the answer is that people should stop voting for the curry-meal-excrement of the earth, just because they are promised everything they want.


Even if "everything they want" is stuff like higher welfare spending, more immigration, etc?

quote:
Politicians lie, some more than others. In the end, all they want is power, and it wont corrupt them, because they are already utterly corrupt.
Now this, I agree with. Without exception.
 
Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
Because the voting system is not truly democratic

In what way?


Money - you can't get elected without shedloads of money behind you one way or another.
 
Posted by Schroedinger's cat (# 64) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Boogie:
quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
Because the voting system is not truly democratic

In what way?


Money - you can't get elected without shedloads of money behind you one way or another.
Partly that, meaning that so many elected representatives are so beholden to their paymasters, but also that we don't have a proportional system. So if you win certain votes, then you can achieve power out of proportion to your actual popularity.

The thing is, I don't want more immigration. I think most immigrants would prefer to stay in their own countries, safe, with work, happy and content. What I accept is that so many people cannot, and so I accept that we have a moral duty to accept more immigrants, welcome them, embrace what they bring. I don't want more welfare spending, but I accept that we need to provide for those less well off than us.

OK, it is a subtle difference, but the main point is that not thinking of what I want but what others need influences my voting. I wish we thought of others, not just ourselves and those like us.
 
Posted by molopata (# 9933) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Uncle Pete:
My dream is an impermeable wall between Canada and the US to keep all those nutjobs out. With a small one-way door to export all our home-grown nutjobs so they can be with like people. And mostly to keep my newly minted American citizen brother who agrees with those idiots away from me.

Well, if Trump's sense of geography is anything like G.W.'s it might well be what you get.

... although he will be billing you for it.
 
Posted by Tubbs (# 440) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
Dangerous in what way? What do you think they would do were they to gain power? What have they done in any local authorities where they already have power (if any)?

Lepen's attitudes to immigration, brown people and Islam are appalling.

I'm fairly sure her policy on Europe would be catastrophic for the French economy.

She engages the worst kind of demagoguery and populism, appealing to people by offering simple, "obvious" answers to complex problems. You can't find a job? It's so simple! It's the brown people's fault! If the FN told me the sky was blue I would go and check.

It's the same old ugly nationalism dressed up to look reasonable and acceptable. Which makes it even more dangerous than her father's brand. There was no doubting that he was a raging racist antisemite, so less people got taken in.

I suspect that she'll get more of a vote this time around as repackaged, fluffy racism is easier to vote for than nasty old, proper racism. (As the rise of UKIP in the UK shows. People will happily vote for them whilst denouncing the BNP. But they're not that different). People just won't admit it was them.

Tubbs
 
Posted by quetzalcoatl (# 16740) on :
 
Haven't France's extreme right-wing and neo-fascist groups always been dangerous? They partly led to the Algerian disaster, the collaboration with the Nazis, and Dreyfus, (going backwards in time).
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
Haven't France's extreme right-wing and neo-fascist groups always been dangerous?

Well they certainly were given two fingers up in 1789.
 
Posted by Schroedinger's cat (# 64) on :
 
I think Tubbs has a point, but it is even more than that. We have always had extremist groups - hard right wing and hard left wing organisations. They have served to demonstrate the dangers of extremism and provide the impression of free speech.

On occasions, they managed to get elected somewhere, usually for a single term, and without any real power. They served as a political MRLP for disaffected voters, which is a useful thing to do, alerting those in power to voter concerns.

The difference now is that they are actually in danger of achieving some power. UKIP do have a number of Euro MPs, and Trump is actually considered a viable candidate. That is not in the story - they are supposed to spout extremist drivel, engage a few supporters, and remain totally unelectable. Like the Socialist Workers Party.

Having extreme crazy parties around is not new, and not a problem. What is a problem is when they slightly soften their rhetoric and become electable. I mean, Screaming Lord Sutch is a character, but nobody seriously wanted him as PM.
 
Posted by betjemaniac (# 17618) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
I mean, Screaming Lord Sutch is a character, but nobody seriously wanted him as PM.

A few years ago I remember seeing a list of policies the Monster Raving Loony Party first proposed over the years (for the benefit of overseas readers they've been going since the 1960s I think) which had subsequently been implemented.

It was surprisingly long and included things like compulsory seat belts in cars.

[ 10. December 2015, 07:37: Message edited by: betjemaniac ]
 
Posted by Al Eluia (# 864) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sipech:
When the nut jobs and fruitcakes of UKIP allow Cameron & Osborne to claim to be 'centrist', then the sheer fuckwittery of Trump could even make Sarah Palin seem like a sage voice.

Nothing can make Sarah Palin seem like a sage voice. Although my crazy sister-in-law would tell you otherwise.
 
Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by betjemaniac:
quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
I mean, Screaming Lord Sutch is a character, but nobody seriously wanted him as PM.

A few years ago I remember seeing a list of policies the Monster Raving Loony Party first proposed over the years (for the benefit of overseas readers they've been going since the 1960s I think) which had subsequently been implemented.

It was surprisingly long and included things like compulsory seat belts in cars.

You are my new best friend. I went looking for this and learned that UKIP has the same party colours as the Standing at the back dressed stupidly and looking stupid party . [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Schroedinger's cat (# 64) on :
 
That is the other problem with the "democratic" system, that if the choice is between Trump and Palin, Palin seems the more reasonable.

As was said on South Park once "Every election is a choice between a douche and a turd sandwich". When all choices are bad, you end up with a bad choice.
 
Posted by Carex (# 9643) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by betjemaniac:
A few years ago I remember seeing a list of policies the Monster Raving Loony Party first proposed over the years (for the benefit of overseas readers they've been going since the 1960s I think) which had subsequently been implemented.

This article, perhaps?
 
Posted by Alan Cresswell (# 31) on :
 
I also see that Trump has described Katie Hopkins as a "respected columnist". Though, as they both produce the same vile filth, that seems somehow fitting.
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
I also see that Trump has described Katie Hopkins as a "respected columnist". Though, as they both produce the same vile filth, that seems somehow fitting.

Would that make Ms Hopkins a Filth Columnist?
 
Posted by Alan Cresswell (# 31) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
My prediction for the 2017 presidential election is this: she will make it into the second round in first place ahead of someone from the (non-extreme) right, possibly Nicolas Sarkozy. At this point people will dig out their old “I am ashamed to be French” placards from the last time this happened and take to the streets beating their breasts. The second round will have a turn-out of 90%, large numbers of people will vote “anyone but Lepen” with a clothes peg on their nose and the other candidate will win, whoever they are. You heard it here first.

Which is, more or less, what has just happened in the municipal elections - at least, that's how the BBC report on the TV this morning put it.
 
Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :
 
Marine Lepen has got a bloody nose. The country breathes a sigh of relief (sort of).

Xenophobic racist bigotry is still alive and well though.
 
Posted by Alan Cresswell (# 31) on :
 
While the neo-nazi thugs still manage a strong vote in the first round of an election, and are only given the democratic boot by tactical votes to keep them out, then they still have too much political influence. Presumably the tactical voting has mostly resulted in votes for whoever was seen to be the most likely to win, and thus probably hasn't changed the results compared to an election without a strong racist party. But, their presence has effectively killed the chance of a surprise result.
 
Posted by mr cheesy (# 3330) on :
 
Meanwhile one of those held for a long time in Guantánamo, apparently for "being a Muslim with a beard", has been speaking with considerable grace to the British media.

It is quite hard to imagine how someone held that long for no reason can speak so calmly.
 
Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by mr cheesy:


It is quite hard to imagine how someone held that long for no reason can speak so calmly.

See Nelson Mandela?
 
Posted by mr cheesy (# 3330) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Boogie:
Nelson Mandela?

I don't think that is an unfair comparison.
 
Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :
 
quote:
la vie en rouge: Marine Lepen has got a bloody nose. The country breathes a sigh of relief (sort of).
While I'm relieved with the outcome, I'm also concerned that the strategy of tactical voting can backfire in the future.
 
Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :
 
With Mandela, though, there were *some* legally legitimate reasons, AIUI. He wasn't always non-violent in his struggle.
 
Posted by argona (# 14037) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
quote:
Originally posted by Barnabas62:
Fear.

is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
It certainly increased the popularity of the KKK and various right-wing regimes in the 1920's and 1930's (some of which staggered on until the 1980's).

To say that it doesn't matter because those who vote for racists are stupid misses the point. There are many stupid people. They have not all historically voted for racist parties and like more intelligent and better educated people they deserve representation.

Most of all, many racist parties are led by people who have tremendous people skills even if they are not remotely intellectual.


 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by mr cheesy:
Meanwhile one of those held for a long time in Guantánamo, apparently for "being a Muslim with a beard", has been speaking with considerable grace to the British media.

It is quite hard to imagine how someone held that long for no reason can speak so calmly.

Jesus, that poor man. [Disappointed]

I hope people are smart enough to shut up and listen to every last thing he has to say about xenophobia.
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by LeRoc:
quote:
la vie en rouge: Marine Lepen has got a bloody nose. The country breathes a sigh of relief (sort of).
While I'm relieved with the outcome, I'm also concerned that the strategy of tactical voting can backfire in the future.
One is reminded of Malcolm X.
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:

I hope people are smart enough to shut up and listen to every last thing he has to say about xenophobia.

As the world becomes more uncertain, it will grow worse.
 
Posted by argona (# 14037) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
quote:
Originally posted by Barnabas62:
Fear.

is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
It certainly increased the popularity of the KKK and various right-wing regimes in the 1920's and 1930's (some of which staggered on until the 1980's).

To say that it doesn't matter because those who vote for racists are stupid misses the point. There are many stupid people. They have not all historically voted for racist parties and like more intelligent and better educated people they deserve representation.

Most of all, many racist parties are led by people who have tremendous people skills even if they are not remotely intellectual.


 
Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :
 
Hostly furry hat on

Argona. You seem to be unable to manage the posting thing properly. Please refresh your ability on the UBB practice thread in Styx, and stop cluttering up Hell with non-posts.

Hostly furry hat off

DT
HH

 
Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :
 
Not sure which thread should have this, but:

"Anti-immigrant vigilante patrols cause concern in Finland" (Yahoo).

The "Soldiers of Odin", no less. Oy. But there are some counter groups, too.
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:

To say that it doesn't matter because those who vote for racists are stupid misses the point. There are many stupid people. They have not all historically voted for racist parties and like more intelligent and better educated people they deserve representation.

Most of all, many racist parties are led by people who have tremendous people skills even if they are not remotely intellectual.

Hate and fear are not the exclusive purview of the intellectually limited. It is a mistake to view this as anything close reality.
 
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
Not sure which thread should have this, but:

"Anti-immigrant vigilante patrols cause concern in Finland" (Yahoo).

The "Soldiers of Odin", no less. Oy. But there are some counter groups, too.

On the other hand, Finland also offers classes on culture.

quote:
...in Finland you can’t buy a wife,... A woman will only be your wife if she wants to be-because here women are men’s equals...even if she dances with you very closely and is wearing a short skirt, that doesn’t mean she wants to have sex with you.
Probably a good idea.
 
Posted by Ariston (# 10894) on :
 
Dude. Breitbart warning next time. NSFThinkinghumans content behind that link!
 
Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :
 
The original BBC article, from which the Breitbart one was drawn.

(Doesn't the BBC site allow comments? Or is it something with my browser settings?)
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
The original BBC article, from which the Breitbart one was drawn.

(Doesn't the BBC site allow comments? Or is it something with my browser settings?)

It could be because some forms of access to BBC sites are restricted to the UK.
 


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