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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Louise: [QB] I live in a country where the leader of the right-wing Conservative party is both a church member in good standing and engaged to be married to her same sex partner ( which will probably happen in church). The Conservative Secretary of State for Scotland is gay. The right-wing, pro-Brexit, pro-Donald Trump, anti-immigrant Conservative party governing the UK has cabinet ministers in same sex relationships and supports gay marriage. Indeed it was its predecessor right-wing government which introduced equal marriage for the UK outside Scotland. In the next door country (Ireland) they have just chosen a very right-wing gay bloke as prime minister. It's simply not a normal part of the right-left political divide any more in UK politics. It is in America - which leads to culture shock when Americans rock up and start posting stuff which to many British ears will sound like someone just walked into a room of people of different races and started going on about inferior races and 'sending them all home' and 'Enoch [Powell] was right'. I'm not saying you don't get people like that in Britain and British churches, but for example, someone who said to gay people in my workplace the kind of things that get posted on this board to gay shipmates would get disciplined by HR and sacked if they kept it up. Yet I'm meant to tell gay people off for getting personally irate with them! It's starting to make me feel complicit. I also feel as a straight woman that I absolutely shouldn't be telling gay people what they should or should not put up with from homophobic posters 'for the sake of debate'. I know the American point of view on this is rather different and stronger on freedom of speech than on being against hate speech, but I'm finding it difficult at the moment. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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