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Originally posted by lazystudent:
What's with the applause at the beginning?!

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Ordinations to the priesthood are so rare these days that people just can contain themselves.
 

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Posted by FCB (# 1495) on :
 
erm, that is, "people just can't contain themselves.

Doh!
 

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Posted by Angloid (# 159) on :
 
Just seen the first few minutes. The applause, and the sense that Fr Shawn is amongst friends, seems good to me. And the relative rarity of RC ordinations these days is a good thing if it means that this is made easier: to this Anglican, our cathedral ordinations can be very impersonal.

Tat-note though: he is clearly wearing a cassock alb, with which I unlike some other Ecclesiantophiles, have no problem. Except that such vestments are usually designed to be worn without girdle: to use one, as he is doing, means among other things that 15cm or so of trouser leg is unnecessarily revealed.
 

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Posted by Triple Tiara (# 9556) on :
 
Here's one I rather like - it's a vocations promo for the Archdiocese of New York. Provokes lot's of questions for me.

Thanks to the shipmate who pointed me towards it.
 

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Posted by Amazing Grace (# 95) on :
 
That is a GREAT video.

Charlotte
 

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Posted by Martin L (# 11804) on :
 
I agree with Charlotte, it is a great video and a creative idea. I see it's had a significant number of views, too.
 

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Posted by Max. (# 5846) on :
 
I love it! Thank you TT

Max
 

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Posted by Call me Numpty (# 3012) on :
 
Hmmm. It's well made. But, my goodness, I'm not into sacramental missiology. I find that very disturbing, especially the 'special effects' bit where people reach out to the guy carrying the monstrance. Very weird, IMHO!
 

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Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :
 
We musn't forget the Gospel Procession at St. Nicholas, which was posted here last Eastertide.
 

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Posted by Triple Tiara (# 9556) on :
 
Well yes Numpty, that's why you are a prod and not a Kattolick.
 

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Posted by JArthurCrank (# 9175) on :
 

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Originally posted by Amazing Grace:
That is a GREAT video.

Charlotte

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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
Well yes Numpty, that's why you are a prod and not a Kattolick.

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I was about to respond to Numpty's post, in a kind of 'I'm not really into this kind of thing either but.....' way, and then read yours! I'm a prod, too, but found the procession of the Sacrament video really quite moving and challenging. In a way I thought it encapsulated vocation to ministry very appropriately.
 

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Posted by Amazing Grace (# 95) on :
 
Smile when you say "Protestant", TT! Some of us do understand the sacraments.

I hope that video works in the way it was intended. It was a beautiful witness as well as being a real "God in the City" slice-of-life. (Although I do suspect that some of the staring passers-by are not thinking holy thoughts, but "WTF is that?!")

Charlotte
 

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Posted by Leetle Masha (# 8209) on :
 
What struck me in the "Jesus in New-York" video was how the Uncreated Light struck the Monstrance as the procession entered the church....

But then, maybe that's because I'm one of the Orthodoxen who hopes we'll all be together again some day and see that Light as one great Church.

Best wishes,

Mary
 

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Posted by Triple Tiara (# 9556) on :
 
Ah, Amazing Grace, you see I was being generous to all you non-Roman Catholics who are not protestants

Did I just say that

Thanks Fifi for the ND de Paris link. As if I have not had enough with saying Mass all day, now I spend Sunday night watching videos of Mass! It's like something out of Fr Ted

Several things struck me in the French episcopal ordination video, and this will show you just what an anorak I sadly am.

1. Poor old Cardinal Lustiger really is getting old and frail.
2. I have never liked that naff nave altar, but I have always loved the French style in Liturgy - when it's done with dignity. This one was no disappointment. And priestly ordinations are moving enough - episcopal ordinations are spine tinglingly so. The words are majestic, as are the symbols.
3. SEIGNEUR JESU! Where the fek did they get that chasuble???? ALL those chasubles for that matter!
4. Likewise the thurible
5. But the ampule for the Chrism was magnifique
6. What an odd pastoral staff Abp Vingt-Trois has - never seen anyone but the Pope (in the Roman Rite) carry a cross as a crosier. Anyone know anything about this?
7. I found it curious that the bishops-elect processed in wearing their new purple zuchettos, but it was not put back on their heads before the mitre. I am pretty sure that at all the episcopal ordinations I have been to here in Angleterre the zuchetto has only been plopped on their heads after the anointing with chrism.
8. When the mitres were put on their heads, there was an accompanying form of words. This is an oddity - is it a French innovation? In the Rite itself it specifies the mitre is put on in silence.
9. I really did not like the French form of the interrogation. In English the bishop-elect is asked "Are you resolved ...." Response: "I am". French "Voulez vous ..." "Oui, je veux a"
10. I was glad they resisted the temptation (sadly succumbed to in Fr Shawn Connoboy's ordination linked to above) to have a melody played during the laying on of hands. It's power lies in the absolute silence - even if prolonged.
11. Oi, but the Eucharistic Prayer sung in French is a thing of beauty. I am swooning after hearing it again.

Well done Fifi!
 

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Posted by aumbry (# 436) on :
 
What a mixed bag!

Can't say I thought much of Max's conga and okey-cokey (Sp?). Frankly you might as well bung a crucifix up in a disco! Max - you cannot be serious.

To a lesser extent the jiving gospel procession was comical. Is it not possible to be modern without losing all dignity?

The Dominican Sisters seemed like a bunch of good eggs and very sporty girls too.

I thought that the nave altar, vestments and virtually everything else about the Notre Dame service looked passe. Surely the installation of a bishop should merit some chunky gold chasubles?

Aumbry
 

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Posted by Liturgy Queen (# 11596) on :
 
Another RC vocations video, this one from the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter (to whom I once upon a time offered my own vocation).

It's really almost too much. The guy sounds like a male Isabella Rosselini.

[I especially enjoyed the priest absolving the dude in the middle of a random field - but with proper stole, of course]

[ 23. October 2006, 00:26: Message edited by: Liturgy Queen ]
 

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Posted by RuthW (# 13) on :
 

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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
Ah, Amazing Grace, you see I was being generous to all you non-Roman Catholics who are not protestants

Did I just say that

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You did, and due to the new policy for thread storage, the evidence will be washing around in the Ship's bilges for the foreseeable future.

 

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Posted by Call me Numpty (# 3012) on :
 

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Originally posted by Amazing Grace:
I hope that video works in the way it was intended. It was a beautiful witness as well as being a real "God in the City" slice-of-life.

Charlotte

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I've never heard of a consecrated wafer being called a 'slice-of-life' before but I guess you might stretch your theology that far if you wanted to.
 

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Posted by IconiumBound (# 754) on :
 
This thread has me wondering if there is any videos that would illustrate the customery at the Eucharist? This has been an idea for teaching new servers but hasn't gotten off the ground at my parish.
 

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Posted by Saint Bertelin (# 5638) on :
 

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Originally posted by Liturgy Queen:
Another RC vocations video, this one from the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter (to whom I once upon a time offered my own vocation).

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This doesn't work for me. I just get a blue screen. I have Flash Player installed and I've re-installed it just to make sure but it still doesn't work. Is there something I'm doing wrong?
 

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Posted by Liturgy Queen (# 11596) on :
 
Perhaps go here instead and click on "watch the video"?
 

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Posted by Saint Bertelin (# 5638) on :
 
Yes, thank you! That works, and I see what you mean about the accent.
 

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Posted by Mr. Rob (# 5823) on :
 

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Originally posted by Fifi:
Consécration épiscopale de Mgr Jérôme Beau et Mgr Jean-Yves Nahmias

Worth it for les grandes orgues and the thurible!

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What a grand and joyous event to watch! Thank you for posting the video of such a grand ordination Mass. The Notre Dame great organ at full tilt really does give one goosbumps.

Heaven's! I was drawn in to watch the whole thing begimnning to end. I'll be dreaming in French tonight.
 

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Posted by Scott Knitter (# 6278) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mr. Rob:
What a grand and joyous event to watch! Thank you for posting the video of such a grand ordination Mass. The Notre Dame great organ at full tilt really does give one goosbumps.

Heaven's! I was drawn in to watch the whole thing begimnning to end. I'll be dreaming in French tonight.

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Same here! Wonderful. I may have a nightmare about that bizarre thurible, though. But I did like the aggressive swinging of the thurible as the Gospel was read. Almost expected to see a note on the screen with the French version of "Do not adjust your TV; the smoky picture is not the fault of your set." I love parallel actions like that: the thurible swung and smoke produced both at the proclamation of the Gospel and at the elevation of the Body and Blood of Christ. Visually, it says, "Here is where something holy is happening; here is where God is giving grace to his people; and our prayers of thanks, praise, and supplication rise billowing to heaven."

 

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Posted by FCB (# 1495) on :
 

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Originally posted by aumbry:
I thought that the nave altar, vestments and virtually everything else about the Notre Dame service looked passe.

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You're right. That building was positively medieval. You can't get more passe than that.

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Originally posted by Vesture, Posture, Gesture:
One site no one has mentioned is this one, one which surely is rather important !!!!
http://www.vatican.va/news_services/television/multimedia/archivio_en.html

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Originally posted by jlg:
"Ah, yes, much better than Cannes! I love Italian films."

Did I get it right?

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Eh, oui. Complètement correct!
 

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Posted by Triple Tiara (# 9556) on :
 
Wonder what you will make of this video.

Curiously, there was no comment on these boards, but last week the Anglican and Catholic bishops of England met together for the first time - would you believe it! It's taken this long for that to happen

The video is of Solemn Vespers in Leeds Cathedral. Lots to see and comment on! Watch for the Cardinal yawning!
 

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Posted by Leetle Masha (# 8209) on :
 
God's children in God's house, so beautiful.

M
 

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Posted by Laurence (# 9135) on :
 

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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
Wonder what you will make of this video.

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Originally posted by Laurence:

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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
Wonder what you will make of this video.

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I only had a chance to look at the opening procession in a moment of insomnia last night- but I think it's wonderful! Leaving aside the joy of seeing Englishmen of two great churches worshipping together, there were some hilarious moments. Particular highlights for me were:

- The opportunity to compare Roman and Anglican choir dress- the sleeves on a rochet really do give it an 18th century feel!

- The way that some of the Anglican bishops very deliberately crossed themselves with water from the font, others ignored it, and one in particular did a convulsive little embarrassed spasm towards it! The RCs, however, knew exactly what to do- smooth movements, no ostentation or hesitation.

- The fact that many of the Catholic bishops were entirely terrified of the idea of singing the opening hymn, while the Anglicans happily belted it out.

- The look on the Bishop of Leeds' face when he realised that Vivaldi's Gloria was a bit too long to stand through, but that he would look even sillier if he sat down...

More gems!

L.

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Originally posted by Spiffy da WonderSheep:
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Did anyone else catch one of the choir members giggling about 1/4 of the way through the vid? And anyone know who the giggling chorister is and can they give him my phone number? He's cute.

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Yes, I caught that, too. How unprofessional (I mean about the giggling, not your wanting him to have your phone number!!)

Fantastic video. Thoroughly enjoyable.
 

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Posted by Leetle Masha (# 8209) on :
 
I was not bothered by the OTT choir work, especially because it was a combined C of E and R C choir, which was a first in its own right, I imagine.

I wish there'd been more camera shots of the choir--I missed out on the gigglers! That always happens in choirs, even in Orthodox choirs singing in Slavonic.

By the way, that nice Our Father was chanted to one of our chants, adapted, I think, from a setting by Rachmaninov! That made me very happy!

M
 

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Posted by Athanasius+ (# 11978) on :
 
Just viewed the video of the Bishops' gathering in Leeds. Fantastic! And to see my Lord Bishop James Jones of Liverpool bowing to the high altar - not something you see every day. Particularly enjoyed the sermon by Graham Jones, bishop of Norwich, talking about the Church Militant and the Church Triumphant. We don't get that very often in my C of E parish church in Liverpool, I can tell you!
Just felt sad that as "separated bethren" it wasn't possible to have a concelebrated mass with intercommunion ...

Bring on more videos, I say
 

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Posted by Cusanus (# 692) on :
 
Who were the gentleman (in faux-military garb) and the lady in veil or mantilla who followed teh ABC and ABW in the procession?
 

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Posted by RCD (# 11440) on :
 

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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
Gosh! The dangers of video and the things that get noticed! It can become "fernseed and elephants", to use C.S. Lewis's image, when we can strain a video for every little gesture.

I did not think it was his hands that were the issue but rather the fulsome and flowing nature of the cope. When he is standing he has his hands demurely together, but going up steps and so on he is holding back garments so he can actually move! You can see his alb and cassock being lifted when he first arrives. Have you ever tried going up steps in an alb and cope? Maybe if he slowed down a bit it would help.

But it can be a salutary lesson for clergy to watch themselves. When I first saw a video of a Mass I had celebrated it was cringeworthy noticing my twitches and glances and odd little unintended gestures.

Funniest part for me was Bp Roche trying to get the bookbearer to go away with some sidelong glances after the "Deus in adiutorium"

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Fr TT: I was only being pendantic!! The video was fun and enjoyable, especially since it was Vespers and one doesn't see that much.

I was referring to +Roche clasping his hands below his waist at times. Somehow, for vestments, it doesn't fit. Mind you, Proper Usage also demands that the deacons assist in the lifting of cope when moving. But I was impressed that people actually bowed at the Holy Name.
 

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Posted by Corpus cani (# 1663) on :
 

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Originally posted by Laurence:

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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
Wonder what you will make of this video.

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- The opportunity to compare Roman and Anglican choir dress- the sleeves on a rochet really do give it an 18th century feel!

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The way that some of the Anglican bishops very deliberately crossed themselves with water from the font, others ignored it, and one in particular did a convulsive little embarrassed spasm towards it! The RCs, however, knew exactly what to do- smooth movements, no ostentation or hesitation.

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The look on the Bishop of Leeds' face when he realised that Vivaldi's Gloria was a bit too long to stand through, but that he would look even sillier if he sat down...

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• the fact the crucifer carried in the cross at an angle. I hate that - looks like he's marching into battle with a halberd or is about to smack someone about the head with it. Processional crosses should be perpendicular!
• the servers; the vast majority were white, middle-aged men. The remainder were four little black boys. Is it that Leeds has no young servers? No women servers? No white / brown / yellow servers? Or do they have a special matching set of black boys for special occasions, kept in a cupboard between Christmas and Easter say? Enquiring minds need to know. Think back to the 18th Century comment above - it reminded me of those 18thC ladies with their fashionable black pageboys in attendance.
• Given that the servers were so smartly turned out in crisp cottas, I was disappointed by the presence of >sniff< cassock albs >spit< among the attendant clergy.
• Still on servers, I noticed that the server with the vimper wasn't sure what to do. I love the fact that older servers can carefully and lovingly direct youngsters in serving, even in the midst of a "big" service like this - it doesn't matter if the Pope himself is present, we are all still learning and that guiding hand is so important. Reminded me of the day in times past when I was thurifer with a very small new boat boy in a big service with lots of processions and he was told to "just stick by Corpus whatever happens". We spent the whole service with the boatboy holding onto the dangling ends of my girdle. On the one hand, so sweet! On the other hand, how lovely to see servers being trained up "on the job", even if that requires gentle direction in mid-function and isn't quite the "smooth-flowing" liturgy we hope for.
• The way the Bishes in the cong all looked like SBs in Chapel - they're there because they have to be and they know the "headmaster's" watching. Were they adopting a posture of prayerful contempletion or were they bored or were they all thinking "This would've been so much better if I'd been at the front..."?
• I too was disappointed with the Bish not only holding his arm by his side, but sweeping the cope out of the way to do so. Moreover, it was a most inferior cope - looked like it had come out of the dressing-up box in the attic. Methinks they could have managed some sort of damask at least, instead of that single layer of flimsy polycotton.

As mentioned, analysis of every gesture can be a disturbingthing!

Corpus

PS Cusanus- the bloke in pseudo-military attire was the Bishop of Leeds' chauffeur; the women in a mantilla was his wife. Honest.
 

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Posted by lazystudent (# 5172) on :
 

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Originally posted by Cusanus:
Who were the gentleman (in faux-military garb) and the lady in veil or mantilla who followed teh ABC and ABW in the procession?

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Lord Lieutenant of whatever ceremonial county Leeds is in, and the ABC's wife?

Lord Lieutenant of W. Yorkshire was, at least in March 2005, a woman - so the guy in uniform might be John Brennan, her Vice, or indeed she might be the high-heeled one. Doesn't make sense to have both of them there, though, so I'd plump for Dr. Williams as the lady present.

I'm always open to correction, for anyone who knows (/can guess) better!

[ETA: See? Always open to correction!]

[ 25. November 2006, 08:28: Message edited by: lazystudent ]
 

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Posted by Max. (# 5846) on :
 

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Originally posted by Corpus cani:
[*]the servers; the vast majority were white, middle-aged men. The remainder were four little black boys. Is it that Leeds has no young servers? No women servers? No white / brown / yellow servers? Or do they have a special matching set of black boys for special occasions, kept in a cupboard between Christmas and Easter say? Enquiring minds need to know. Think back to the 18th Century comment above - it reminded me of those 18thC ladies with their fashionable black pageboys in attendance.

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You know... I don't think they have a quota for altar server diversity... you should suggest it to them

Max
 

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Posted by Leetle Masha (# 8209) on :
 
Corpus, what's Radox and what's a vimper?

Inquiring U.S. Orthodoxen want to know!

M
And I think they'd better take care that Madonna doesn't attempt to adopt those adorable little acolytes.
 

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Posted by RCD (# 11440) on :
 

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Originally posted by Leetle Masha:
Corpus, what's Radox and what's a vimper?

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Originally posted by Corpus cani:

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Originally posted by Laurence:
The way that some of the Anglican bishops very deliberately crossed themselves with water from the font, others ignored it, and one in particular did a convulsive little embarrassed spasm towards it! The RCs, however, knew exactly what to do- smooth movements, no ostentation or hesitation.

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I think this is rather an unfair comment. For some of the Anglicans it was unfamiliar, but they did it (so polite!) apart from the one who sneered on some grounds or other (there's always a conscientious objector in ecumenical affairs...), but plenty of the Anglican bishes managed the crossing just as smoothly as the Roman bishes. To suggest that they were "ostentatious or hesitant" is unkind and untrue .

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Point taken, Cc- possibly "proudly or uncertainly" might have been better phraseology than "ostentatious or hesitant", if I were being diplomatic. I did make sure that both the RCs and the Anglicans were getting an equal amount of unwarranted stereotypical criticism - Catholics can't sing, Anglicans can't cross themselves!

A great post, by the way, Cc- I look forward to the day when you're a bishop and have your own set of heraldic black (or blond, or olive-complexioned) boys to keep in the cupboard!

L.
 

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Posted by Corpus cani (# 1663) on :
 
Hmmm. I'm not sure that "proudly or uncertainly" is better phraseology, if one were to be diplomatic!

Nor am I convinced that the SB cupboard will work. A host of small black boys would only be useful for requiems, except they wouldn't be useful since "black boys" aren't actually black and there might well be a clash with the frontal, which would,of course, be a Bad Thing™.

Equally, it would be no use keeping the white boys for Feasts of our Lord, since "white boys" aren't actually white, unless they share my anaemia.

Finding boys for Advent and Lent would be equally problematic, and as for the servers for feasts of the Martyrs and the Holy Spirit - I gather Scarlet Fever is almost unknown in these parts nowadays.

I might need to rethink this policy. However, given modern developments in genetics, I'm sure we could come up with a race of liturgically correct SBs in time for my coronation as Pope.

Cc
 

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Posted by FCB (# 1495) on :
 

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Originally posted by Leetle Masha:
By the way, that nice Our Father was chanted to one of our chants, adapted, I think, from a setting by Rachmaninov! That made me very happy!

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Originally posted by Leetle Masha:
Corpus, what's Radox and what's a vimper?

Inquiring U.S. Orthodoxen want to know!

M
And I think they'd better take care that Madonna doesn't attempt to adopt those adorable little acolytes.

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Originally posted by Laurence:

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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
Wonder what you will make of this video.

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I only had a chance to look at the opening procession in a moment of insomnia last night- but I think it's wonderful! Leaving aside the joy of seeing Englishmen of two great churches worshipping together, there were some hilarious moments. Particular highlights for me were:

- The opportunity to compare Roman and Anglican choir dress- the sleeves on a rochet really do give it an 18th century feel!

- The way that some of the Anglican bishops very deliberately crossed themselves with water from the font, others ignored it, and one in particular did a convulsive little embarrassed spasm towards it! The RCs, however, knew exactly what to do- smooth movements, no ostentation or hesitation.

- The fact that many of the Catholic bishops were entirely terrified of the idea of singing the opening hymn, while the Anglicans happily belted it out.

- The look on the Bishop of Leeds' face when he realised that Vivaldi's Gloria was a bit too long to stand through, but that he would look even sillier if he sat down...

More gems!

L.

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Oh, that's wonderful. You're dead right about the Bishop of Leeds - there's a moment in the Gloria where he quite visibly thinks, "Oh s***, this isn't about to finish any time soon, is it?"

I also enjoyed the moment where an acolyte of some description flourished a mic stand in front of the bishop. We are very, very close to what Alan Bennett predicted in his diaries a few years back. He was at a church where there was a brief hiatus at the start of the sermon while the vicar clipped his radio mic to his surplice, and Bennett suggested that in a few decades there'll probably be a specific liturgy for dealing with this issue. Leeds Cathedral looks to be part way there already - all we needed was for them to cense it and sprinkle it with holy water (though perhaps they only do that for solemn masses...)

This video took me right back to the only time I've ever been in Leeds Cathedral - my home cathedral, at least when I'm resting my weight on my left foot - when my junior school choir sang there over twenty years ago. I was baptised in an RC church, and at that time was ver conscious of this, and identified myself as a Roman Catholic (while singing exclusively in Anglican churches/choirs!). I remember being very offended at our choirmaster pondering aloud as to whether to wear his "high church" (surplice, scarf) or "low church" (black cassock, tabs) get-up, and going with the latter.

There's also clearly one heck of a high altar lurking there at the east end, now obscured by the president's throne...

[ 25. November 2006, 22:12: Message edited by: John H ]
 

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Posted by Triple Tiara (# 9556) on :
 
The uniformed gent is a Knight of St Gregory. Unlike loads of other Catholic "knights" (like Knights of Columbus) the Knighthood of St Gregory is an honour bestowed by the Pope on laypeople who are outstanding examples of something or other. They often dress up and escort the bishop if he is present for a liturgical ceremony. The woman would be a Dame of the Order.
 

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Posted by JArthurCrank (# 9175) on :
 
I wish that the JXXIII coronation tape would be placed on youtube. That would be fascinating, though I suspect there might be copyright issues.
 

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Posted by Leetle Masha (# 8209) on :
 
At the risk of being accused of posting this all over the boards, I thought Ecclesiantics would enjoy the URL as much as the other boards, so here it is:

Patriarchal Divine Liturgy

It lasts about 2 1/2 hours, but I hope you will enjoy seeing it and commenting on all the tat and the exotic-sounding music, the sermons, or whatever. It was broadcast on EWTN, but it is no longer on their website, so this is the same video taken from the Patriarchate's website. Commentary is by EWTN and by Vatican Radio/tv.

Enjoy!

M
 

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Posted by JArthurCrank (# 9175) on :
 

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Originally posted by Leetle Masha:
It was broadcast on EWTN, but it is no longer on their website, so this is the same video taken from the Patriarchate's website. Commentary is by EWTN and by Vatican Radio/tv.

Enjoy!

M

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Originally posted by Leetle Masha:
Commentary is by EWTN and by Vatican Radio/tv.

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Did they film it using a vaticam?

[Sorry.]
 

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Posted by Leetle Masha (# 8209) on :
 


Either a Vaticam or a Patriarcam!

Or both.

M
 

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Posted by FCB (# 1495) on :
 
Here, from Google Video, is an SSPX Missa Cantata for the last Sunday after Pentecost from St. Nicholas in Paris. It struck me as a very well produced video.

A few things I noted:

• clearly a lot when into this celebration of Mass -- why not do a High Mass with deacon and subdeacon? From what I've heard about St. Nicholas, they have no shortage of clerics around.
• The reading of the Epistle in French while the priest read in silently in Latin. I thought he would chant it first in Latin.
• The singing of the Salve Regina during the Last Gospel. I thought this was supposed to be done aloud.
• The shot of the priest during the post-communio, when was from behind the altar, looking at his face. How did they get this shot?
• The fact that the priest looked like Nathan Lane.
• The vast army of teeny tiny altar boys, which I found. . . well. . . creepy

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Originally posted by FCB:
The reading of the Epistle in French while the priest read in silently in Latin. I thought he would chant it first in Latin.

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So basically even SSPX can't get the Latin Mass right?!

[fixed code]

[ 05. December 2006, 14:19: Message edited by: Martin L ]
 

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Posted by FCB (# 1495) on :
 
I had to resurrect this thread from page 8 to share with all of you this wonderful artifact from the heady days of post-Vatican II liturgical reform:

Elvis folk mass

For some reason, this brings a perverse joy to my heart.
 

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Posted by LA Dave (# 1397) on :
 
Wow. Makes RCIA even that more meaningful!
 

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Posted by Triple Tiara (# 9556) on :
 
ROFL!!!!

Okay, since this is back and running, here's some amazing footage.

Some fascinating bits. You need to ignore the ridiculous Italian commentary which is laughably OTT even by Italian standards, and the music is very cheesy. The funeral, right at the end, is amazing. You thought the funeral of JPII was something else? Wait until you see that of Pius XII The camp get-up of the hearse is priceless, and OMG! the procession must have taken forever! You see it wending its way past the Colloseum, which is miles from St Peter's. What a show Pius put on, making his late Polish Holiness look like an amateur.
 

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Posted by Anselmina (# 3032) on :
 
Fantastic, Triple Tiara! He seemed to be a very tall man.
 

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Posted by scopatore segreto (# 11848) on :
 
I haven't listened to the audio yet, but I'm betting it doesn't mention the botched embalming, and Pacelli's nose falling off.
 

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Posted by Robertus Liverpolitanae (# 12011) on :
 
And here is Pius XlI's Papal Coronation . One of the longest in history, they did well to edit to seven and a half minutes!

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He died while at Castelgandalfo, the papal summer villa, so the corpse had to be brought back to Rome; the summer heat hastened its decomposition.
 

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Posted by Triple Tiara (# 9556) on :
 
I'm not just resurrecting dead threads (though 'tis prob the season to do so .....)

Thanks to the tip-off by Rocco on Whispers there are some interesting videos on the website of the RC Diocese of Salt Lake City appropriate to the season. I have the Chrism Mass on at the momen, and there is also the Palm Sunday Mass and Bishop's installation a couple of weeks ago. All in all, the Liturgy is dignified and well done, with some good music. Good use of mixed language. If this is what RC Liturgy in the US is like, it's not at all as bad as I imagined, based on comments on blogs etc. Of course, there are some rather naff moments, but hey, nowhere is perfect.
 

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Posted by Triple Tiara (# 9556) on :
 
Sorry, just as I am watching I cringe - they do that whole inclusive thing of everyone renewing vows at the Chrism Mass, totalling missing the point of it all - it's a priestly thing: the laity all renew their vows at Easter
 

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Posted by FCB (# 1495) on :
 
Just wondering what folks thought of these clips from the Easter Vigil at St. Gregory of Nyssa in San Francisco?

I'll admit that there are bits I like, but there is something about the way it pillages a variety of traditions that reminds me of a food court in a mall and, frankly, gives me the creeps.
 

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Posted by JArthurCrank (# 9175) on :
 
I thought the dancing made it a very man-centered narcissistic liturgy. It had a New Seekers "I'd Like To Teach The World To Sing" quality about it.
 

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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
Thanks to the tip-off by Rocco on Whispers there are some interesting videos on the website of the RC Diocese of Salt Lake City appropriate to the season. I have the Chrism Mass on at the momen, and there is also the Palm Sunday Mass and Bishop's installation a couple of weeks ago. All in all, the Liturgy is dignified and well done, with some good music. Good use of mixed language. If this is what RC Liturgy in the US is like, it's not at all as bad as I imagined, based on comments on blogs etc. Of course, there are some rather naff moments, but hey, nowhere is perfect.

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Here, from Google Video, is an SSPX Missa Cantata for the last Sunday after Pentecost from St. Nicholas in Paris. It struck me as a very well produced video.

A few things I noted:

• clearly a lot when into this celebration of Mass -- why not do a High Mass with deacon and subdeacon? From what I've heard about St. Nicholas, they have no shortage of clerics around.
• The reading of the Epistle in French while the priest read in silently in Latin. I thought he would chant it first in Latin.
• The singing of the Salve Regina during the Last Gospel. I thought this was supposed to be done aloud.
• The shot of the priest during the post-communio, when was from behind the altar, looking at his face. How did they get this shot?
• The fact that the priest looked like Nathan Lane.
• The vast army of teeny tiny altar boys, which I found. . . well. . . creepy

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I thought the dancing made it a very man-centered narcissistic liturgy.

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One should only express joy and praise by moving one's lips, and no other parts of the body?

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Originally posted by FCB:
Just wondering what folks thought of these clips from the Easter Vigil at St. Gregory of Nyssa in San Francisco?

I'll admit that there are bits I like, but there is something about the way it pillages a variety of traditions that reminds me of a food court in a mall and, frankly, gives me the creeps.

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Maybe because it's not my cup of tea, I thought it was rather self-conscious, and confusing. But they did seem to be enjoying it, at least. Bit of a shock for anyone wanting to celebrate rather more quietly or not feeling up to it, though! Definitely something of resurrection joy there but I think I'd be more inclined in a place like that to watch, than to worship.
 

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Posted by Autenrieth Road (# 10509) on :
 
Mightn't any church service be thought of as a shock for someone expecting or wanting something different?

I've just been watching the St. John the Baptist video Scott Knitter linked to just above, and just for a small case, the chanting of the Gospel would be a shock for someone hoping to hear the Gospel told as a real story.
 

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Posted by Anselmina (# 3032) on :
 
Well, AR, I was soft-pedalling that for someone not positively wanting to dance around and look incredibly happy it might be a shock. Of course Easter Day is the day you expect even Christians to look happy . But if you were coming to church with a really heavy heart, following a desparate bereavement, or feeling suicidal, the style of worship might have been hard to join in with.

There is a difference between worship being different, and worship being that different. I'm not complaining, though. Honest. After all, I defended Mothering Sunday, which is actually offensive to some, much less a shock, and has less of a reason to be in the calendar, obviously than an Easter celebration.

I think, too, it's not what I might have associated with an Episcopal church. But variety is the spice of life, as they say. Not all shocks are unpleasant!

Just out of interest why is the gospel less 'real' when sung?

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Posted by Ascension-ite (# 1985) on :
 
Was it me, or in the St Gregory of Nyssa video was the first clip of the priest or be-ponchoed person censing the congregation/altar the oddest liturgical movement anyone has seen before? Hope I'm not getting too purgatorial, but, Good Lord, what was that?
 

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And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod. So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the LORD with shouting, and with the sound of the trumpet. And as the ark of the LORD came into the city of David, Michal Saul's daughter looked through a window, and saw king David leaping and dancing before the LORD; and she despised him in her heart... And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, How glorious was the king of Israel to day, who uncovered himself to day in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovereth himself! 2 Samuel 6:14-16,20

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DIY liturgy = DIY religion. Private judgment to the nth extreme. Not that traditionalist ACs aren't guilty of the same problem, but AFAICT, St. Gregory Nyssa liturgy has little or no relationship with any living liturgical tradition - it's a mish-mash of bits the clergy happen to like sprinkled with the fairy dust of "multiculturalism."

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I read the philosophy behind St. Gregory and m point stands. This so-called liturgy is a mish-mash of random pieces of liturgical practices from unrelated cultures. The cobbled-together result is something unlike any liturgy in any living liturgical tradition and more like a 1960s Be-In or counterculture gathering than a mass.

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I read the philosophy behind St. Gregory and m point stands. This so-called liturgy is a mish-mash of random pieces of liturgical practices from unrelated cultures. The cobbled-together result is something unlike any liturgy in any living liturgical tradition and more like a 1960s Be-In or counterculture gathering than a mass.

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Singapore culture (being mostly an immigrant state) creates and recreates a cultural identity, drawing from cultural sources disparate from each other. But our Anglican liturgy is either identical to the C of E in the 80s or a generally free for all American charismatic worship. Such joy of drawing from a living liturgical tradition, such wonder. I hope they sing 'God saves the Queen' again rather than our own national anthem on Independence Day.
 

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Posted by Angelus (# 10081) on :
 
Just watched the Easter Vigil vid from the Intermountain Catholic site. Was all going so well until the Exultet. Wrong, just wrong....
 

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Posted by cor ad cor loquitur (# 11816) on :
 
I also watched the Intermountain Easter vigil. And yes, there were a few things that were "wrong". But all in all, it seemed a dignified and happy liturgy. If the video is any indication, they have a fine, orthodox bishop in that diocese -- he gave them a cracking good homily and clearly cared deeply about his flock. And it was good to see a crowd of newly baptised, confirmed and received. I agree with Fr TT: this called into question the many (many!) negative things I had heard about the state of RC liturgy in the US.
 

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Posted by Triple Tiara (# 9556) on :
 
Except, except .....!!!!!!

They have a HUGE font into which the catechumens stepped, and then he dribbled water on their heads from the small font! Those baptisms were so utterly formulaic and joyless! There could (and should) have been lashings of water. I was really saddened by the minimalism, given that I am impressed with their liturgy generally.


 

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Posted by Angelus (# 10081) on :
 
Having watched it all now, I agree apart from the Exultet it was an excellent vigil. Alleluia!
 

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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
Sorry, just as I am watching I cringe - they do that whole inclusive thing of everyone renewing vows at the Chrism Mass, totalling missing the point of it all - it's a priestly thing: the laity all renew their vows at Easter

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Anyway, this one is currently causing all the traddy Catholics to pee in their knickers with delight out on trad-central blogosphere. It's a hoot!

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Originally posted by FCB:
Just wondering what folks thought of these clips from the Easter Vigil at St. Gregory of Nyssa in San Francisco?

I'll admit that there are bits I like, but there is something about the way it pillages a variety of traditions that reminds me of a food court in a mall and, frankly, gives me the creeps.

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this one is currently causing all the traddy Catholics to pee in their knickers with delight out on trad-central blogosphere. It's a hoot!

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I once met an american who had been to Lourdes and when I asked him what he thought of it,he said he had been overawed by St Pix's church. It took me some time to work out that he was talking about the basilica of St Pie X. (St Pius the Tenth)

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It's vast, but apart from that, I don't see what's inspiring about it. It's just big, and in the style of an underground car park. I served there once for the Bishop of Salford. (This was in my Anglican days. They couldn't find a Catholic server on the pilgrimage who knew what to do with a thurible, and one of my tutors from college suggested they ask me).

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Posted by cor ad cor loquitur (# 11816) on :
 
Yes, I'd seen that video...it has made its way right round the net. Whoever made it was very clever, starting with the "before" altar discovered looking sad and lonely, flanked by drooping flowers and having a rumpled cover. It was especially amusing that, at a certain point in the proceedings, people started to bob before the tabernacle, even though it was almost certainly empty. Somehow between the flowers and the nth candle, the space in the centre of the altar had become holy for them.

That tabernacle sure wasn't very secure. Someone could have carried it away as easily as they had popped it onto the altar.
 

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Posted by JArthurCrank (# 9175) on :
 
It is a hilarious video, but I fail to see why you couldn't simply do the Tridentine mass with the dated modern-looking altar, even if there is no tabernacle on it. As much as I dislike the modern practice of placing the tabernacle in a room down the hall next door to the Coke machine, that's preferable, in my view, over placing It in a flimsy makeshift altar tabernacle that could collapse due to an oopsie! by a clumsy celebrant or server.

It is a lovely sham of an altar though.
 

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Posted by Max. (# 5846) on :
 
Forgive me but aren't there too many candles.
Surely 10 would be the norm, 6 big and 4 smaller?

And yes, I've been to Tridentine Mass celebrated on a normal concrete altar, facing east. The only thing different was a wooden cross was placed in the middle of the altar - nothing different. No need for a frame or a tabernacle, it was fine!

I think the FSSP just wanted to make it a little more "authentic" so it would look like a "proper olde latin marse"
Well done to them for making it look like the past 40 years never happened

Max
 

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Posted by Angloid (# 159) on :
 
Shame on all those lay servers who in their enthusiasm rushed onto the scene without donning cassocks.
 

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I won't even comment
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Posted by Divine Outlaw Dwarf (# 2252) on :
 
The claim to be 'Roman' seems a little odd.

But ecclesiological niggles aside, what's with the lack of chasuble?

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Originally posted by Divine Outlaw Dwarf:
The claim to be 'Roman' seems a little odd.

But ecclesiological niggles aside, what's with the lack of chasuble?

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Anyway, this one is currently causing all the traddy Catholics to pee in their knickers with delight out on trad-central blogosphere. It's a hoot!

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And why tie-dye scarves instead of stoles...

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[shocked!] I would have guessed you to be in favor of that, Max!

Seriously, why don't these women just swim the Thames or the North Sea? They'd still have an episcopal ordination in the succession, and they would have considerable latitude to use the Roman Catholic liturgy, if that is their desire.

The number of gray heads did surprise me.

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Posted by Scott Knitter (# 6278) on :
 
Not videos, but I highly commend these audio files of complete services from St Thomas', Huron Street, Toronto. Start with the April 15 file: Solemn Evensong, Easter Carols, Procession, and Eucharistic Devotions. Just marvelous. At 14:30 in this file are two examples of how wonderfully a cantor and congregation can chant psalms, using Healey Willan's Canadian Psalter: Plainsong Edition, based on Briggs and Frere's Manual of Plainsong. Note how the accompaniment can keep the chant alive and on pitch and can control the midverse pause. Superb.
 

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they would have considerable latitude to use the Roman Catholic liturgy, if that is their desire.

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And why tie-dye scarves instead of stoles...

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[shocked!] I would have guessed you to be in favor of that, Max!

Seriously, why don't these women just swim the Thames or the North Sea? They'd still have an episcopal ordination in the succession, and they would have considerable latitude to use the Roman Catholic liturgy, if that is their desire.

The number of gray heads did surprise me.

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I've never come across this group before so I'm only guessing, but it could be for the same ties of affection, or whatever, other church members feel, when they decide to stick with where or what they are despite the fact the authorities have made undesirable changes. I suppose if the point they're hoping to make is there should be women in the RC priesthood, leaving the RC church wouldn't be a logical move.

But I'm interested to know whether this kind of thing instantly excommunicates people from RC membership or automatically acts as a discontinuation from the Church proper, in the same way that some churches continue to have Anglican or CofE in their name but are not working under the official authorities?

And, Max, I thought you would've liked the tie-dye thing, too ?
 

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[shocked!] I would have guessed you to be in favor of that, Max!

Seriously, why don't these women just swim the Thames or the North Sea? They'd still have an episcopal ordination in the succession, and they would have considerable latitude to use the Roman Catholic liturgy, if that is their desire.

The number of gray heads did surprise me.

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I've never come across this group before...

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Oh, thank you!

I was quite honestly clapping at the end of that.

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I will. Why is she speaking to God as though he were a five-year old?

There are more goodies here. (I was bored one day, ok?) [/QB]

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I thought she was orright, only watched the first 30 secs though. Quite comparable to modern Anglican liturgy. Not my taste, but there you go. I've seen other priests speak like that - they want to make the liturgy meaningful and more than just words. It rarely works - but their heart is in the right place!

I must remember though... prophetic obedience. No, my Lord Bishop. I was not being disobedient to Church discipline. I was exercising *prophetic obedience*.

The new obedience is disobedience.

 

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Posted by Anselmina (# 3032) on :
 
Thanks for the information, St B. It's likely they've flashed onto the radar now and again. But unless I have a reason for remembering something, I'm afraid it goes pretty quickly. Yes, I checked out the ordination video.

I guess because I'm of the brigade that waited for our Church to authorize women's ordination - controversial as that is to some of its own members - I'm always a bit wary of groups that jump the gun. But then I wonder if I'm being disloyal to the principle that eventually changed so much, and it's a kind of betrayal of these women. But then - again! - like you, because I believe in the authority of my Church, when it comes to the ordering of official ministry, I don't understand why people loyal to it would wish to work outside it!

Anyway, that would be a tangent, so I'll stop there, before I get my knuckles rapped!
 

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Posted by Jimmy B (# 220) on :
 
PS. Missed edit. Does anyone know if these women found some tame male bishops in the apostolic succession to ordain the first female bishop?
 

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Posted by Saint Bertelin (# 5638) on :
 
Thanks for that, Anselmina.

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PS. Missed edit. Does anyone know if these women found some tame male bishops in the apostolic succession to ordain the first female bishop?

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Just wondering what folks thought of these clips from the Easter Vigil at St. Gregory of Nyssa in San Francisco?

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Just wondering what folks thought of these clips from the Easter Vigil at St. Gregory of Nyssa in San Francisco?

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As well as singing in the Parisian church of St Gervais the Community have homes in other parts of France and beyond the boundaries of France.

They live as a community also in the abbey of Mont St Michel between Normany and Brittany. The abbey is one of the major tourist attractions in France ,but you can get in free for the Mass ,which is sung round about midday and for the other offices as well.

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Forthview, what a beautiful version of Lauds from this community!! I heard a bit of Russian obikhod chant melody too in some of the chanting of the Psalms.
Thanks also for the info on this community!!!
 

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the Monastic Fraternity of Jerusalem. They are quite an interesting group, one that I would like to meet someday.

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Originally posted by JArthurCrank:
the Monastic Fraternity of Jerusalem. They are quite an interesting group, one that I would like to meet someday.

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Also, from the same French Catholic TV network, Lauds from the Monastic Fraternity of Jerusalem. They are quite an interesting group, one that I would like to meet someday.

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I've never known EWTN to telecast Lauds and Vespers. The Poor Clare nuns must do them daily, so what's the deal? While I know that the American ICEL hours leaves much to be desired, there is simply no excuse for the non-exposure of the Hours to the average Catholic. None whatsoever.

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I've never known EWTN to telecast Lauds and Vespers. The Poor Clare nuns must do them daily, so what's the deal? While I know that the American ICEL hours leaves much to be desired, there is simply no excuse for the non-exposure of the Hours to the average Catholic. None whatsoever.

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Unfortunately, I can't be too harsh on the ETWN people for doing this since the rubrics allow ad-lib at the intro and seemingly everyone does it, in every parish that I have been a member of. I wish it would be abolished, along with the horrible "song-leaders," but a vain wish it seems to be.

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Posted by lukacs (# 11865) on :
 
Can you post a video of yourself hitting the rimshot?
 

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Posted by Leetle Masha (# 8209) on :
 
Delightful! Ka-boom!

That Gouzes chant is beautiful, very much like Kievan chant.

Best wishes,

Mary
 

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Unfortunately, I can't be too harsh on the ETWN people for doing this since the rubrics allow ad-lib at the intro and seemingly everyone does it, in every parish that I have been a member of. I wish it would be abolished, along with the horrible "song-leaders," but a vain wish it seems to be.

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Unfortunately, I can't be too harsh on the ETWN people for doing this since the rubrics allow ad-lib at the intro and seemingly everyone does it, in every parish that I have been a member of. I wish it would be abolished, along with the horrible "song-leaders," but a vain wish it seems to be.

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Many priests need to check the rubric: "The priest, or deacon, or other suitable minister may very briefly introduce the Mass of the day." So the ad-lib needs to have that focus. Too bad it often doesn't.

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"Good Morning and welcome to our Celebration today on the third Sunday of Easter, my name is Bob and I shall be your priest today and we will begin by confessing our sins..."

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"Good Morning and welcome to our Celebration today on the third Sunday of Easter, my name is Bob and I shall be your priest today and we will begin by confessing our sins..."

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omg! That is awful! I am not a consumer or a tourist! I don't want him to be my priest today (so to speak), signposting his role in temporal terms, I want him to be the same priest he was yesterday and the day before, after the order of Melchizedek. When I worship, I want to enter into kairos. Stop trying to chain us to the temporal like supermarket greeters or tour guides, you bloody mediocrities!

There's a pewsheet for explanations and introductions. I wish they'd use it.
 

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"Good Morning and welcome to our Celebration today on the third Sunday of Easter, my name is Bob and I shall be your priest today and we will begin by confessing our sins..."

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Today we shall be trialling the latest altar-wine specially imported from Portugal and carrying the certficate of the Archbishop of Lisbon. We shall also be offering Holy Communion in one or both kinds, with optional gluten-free hosts. Please ask to see the menu for our special after-mass events and the children's liturgy. We hope you have a pleasant experience this mass; if you have any adverse comments please ask to see the Parish Priest or leave a message with one of the acolytes. Now please pay especial attention to the safety procedures in the case of apoplexy or sudden outbreaks of heresy....
 

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Posted by Jimmy B (# 220) on :
 
Fantastic, Angloid!

I'm waiting for 'Please fasten your seatbelts' while inwardly wishing for (myself) one of those ejector seats for undesirables as featured on the US UCC advertisements.
 

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St Paul's Orthodox Church, Houston, Texas.

This is a direct link that will download the file (9.13MB).
 

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Posted by aredstatemystic (# 11577) on :
 
Beautiful video, St. B.!
 

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Posted by Leetle Masha (# 8209) on :
 
Thank you, St. Bertelin! It's lovely!

Mary
 

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Posted by Prudentius (# 11181) on :
 
Check out this great moment in Holy Week liturgy in Chicago. It seems at least one bishop there approves of break dancing: Holy Week in Chicago
 

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Posted by Scott Knitter (# 6278) on :
 

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Originally posted by Prudentius:
Check out this great moment in Holy Week liturgy in Chicago. It seems at least one bishop there approves of break dancing: Holy Week in Chicago

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Oh, be kind! Cardinal George suffered a painful yet minor fracture of the pelvis in that fall. He slipped on holy water.

I do admit to chuckling at the Dick Van Dyke Show theme's timing to the video, though.

Bless me, Father, for I have sinned...
 

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Posted by Scott Knitter (# 6278) on :
 

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Originally posted by Saint Bertelin:
St Paul's Orthodox Church, Houston, Texas.

This is a direct link that will download the file (9.13MB).

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I love the video, but I'm wondering (seriously, not being contrary here) what is really Orthodox about St Paul's? Everything looks traditional-Anglican to me. I may be dense.
 

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Posted by Saint Bertelin (# 5638) on :
 

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Originally posted by Scott Knitter:

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Originally posted by Saint Bertelin:
St Paul's Orthodox Church, Houston, Texas.

This is a direct link that will download the file (9.13MB).

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I love the video, but I'm wondering (seriously, not being contrary here) what is really Orthodox about St Paul's? Everything looks traditional-Anglican to me. I may be dense.

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I can't speak with any great authority but my understanding of Western Rite parishes under Antioch is that they usually fall into one of two camps. There are those who predominantly use the Mass of St Gregory, and follow the Roman tradition, and then there are those who predoninantly use the Mass of St Tikhon. The latter is of Anglican origin but modified to make it acceptable to Orthodoxy. It was Patriarch St Tikhon who petitioned the Holy Synod of Russia to allow this (before the jurisdictional chaos in America resulting from the Russian revolution). The Antiochians have expanded that tradition. (Personally, I don't like the St Tikhon liturgy for a number of reasons but it is authorised and so I'd have no problem going to it).

There's nothing in that video, though, that indicates to me which of those camps St Paul's falls into. What about it seems not Orthodox (apart from the topless women )?

[ 28. April 2007, 14:43: Message edited by: Saint Bertelin ]
 

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Posted by Scott Knitter (# 6278) on :
 

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Originally posted by Saint Bertelin:
[QBThere's nothing in that video, though, that indicates to me which of those camps St Paul's falls into. What about it seems not Orthodox (apart from the topless women )? [/QB]

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Just that so many things are done in the usual Anglican way. I know I'm conditioned to expect Orthodox liturgy to be bathed in exotic, other-worldly light (this is a good thing) and be just beyond my intellectual grasp (also good). I pretty well know what's going on in that video. Although I seem to have missed topless women. I was too busy wondering whether "Auntie Oaken" is the standard pronunciation of Antiochian.
 

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Posted by Saint Bertelin (# 5638) on :
 

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Originally posted by Scott Knitter:

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Originally posted by Saint Bertelin:
There's nothing in that video, though, that indicates to me which of those camps St Paul's falls into. What about it seems not Orthodox (apart from the topless women )?

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Just that so many things are done in the usual Anglican way. I know I'm conditioned to expect Orthodox liturgy to be bathed in exotic, other-worldly light (this is a good thing) and be just beyond my intellectual grasp (also good). I pretty well know what's going on in that video.

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Although I seem to have missed topless women.

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I was referring to the notable absence of mantillas, hats, or headscarves.

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I was too busy wondering whether "Auntie Oaken" is the standard pronunciation of Antiochian.

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Yes, now you've confused me as well. Over the past two years, I've worked out that when talking to Britons people, I should say Anti-okk-ian, and while talking to Americans, I should say Anti-oak-ian. You've completely blown my theory out of the water.

[ 28. April 2007, 15:19: Message edited by: Saint Bertelin ]
 

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Posted by Martin L (# 11804) on :
 

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Originally posted by Scott Knitter:

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Originally posted by Prudentius:
Check out this great moment in Holy Week liturgy in Chicago. It seems at least one bishop there approves of break dancing: Holy Week in Chicago

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Oh, be kind! Cardinal George suffered a painful yet minor fracture of the pelvis in that fall. He slipped on holy water.

I do admit to chuckling at the Dick Van Dyke Show theme's timing to the video, though.

Bless me, Father, for I have sinned...

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Originally posted by Saint Bertelin:

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Originally posted by Scott Knitter:

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Originally posted by Saint Bertelin:
There's nothing in that video, though, that indicates to me which of those camps St Paul's falls into. What about it seems not Orthodox (apart from the topless women )?

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Just that so many things are done in the usual Anglican way. I know I'm conditioned to expect Orthodox liturgy to be bathed in exotic, other-worldly light (this is a good thing) and be just beyond my intellectual grasp (also good). I pretty well know what's going on in that video.

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The question is, what did the usual Anglican way develop from? What are it antecedents? St Paul's is a Western - not Byzantine - rite parish, and so I'd expect to see Western worship forms there, with which somebody from the Western liturgical tradition (such as yourself) would be familiar.

I've been able to dig up this old post of mine, which may help give a better idea of the ideas behind the use of the St Tikhon Mass. I suppose that, while in Britain, we have the question of which Western traditions from our Orthodox past to use, in America, that question is different because it was never an Orthodox country, and its liturgical heritage is largely Catholic & Anglican in origin, so the answers are fairly straightforward. I suppose, on reflection, that it makes sense for Orthodox in America to adapt the Anglican services in a way that it perhaps doesn't here in Britain. Hmmm.

(Disclaimer: I mentioned in that post the martyrdom of St Tikhon. I have since read conflicting things about his death and haven't a clue what actually happened).

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Although I seem to have missed topless women.

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I was referring to the notable absence of mantillas, hats, or headscarves.

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I was too busy wondering whether "Auntie Oaken" is the standard pronunciation of Antiochian.

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Yes, now you've confused me as well. Over the past two years, I've worked out that when talking to Britons people, I should say Anti-okk-ian, and while talking to Americans, I should say Anti-oak-ian. You've completely blown my theory out of the water.

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There is an "inside" joke among some in other Orthodox jurisdictions which call them "Annie Oaklians" as many are converts from Southern Protestant backgrounds.
 

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Posted by Prudentius (# 11181) on :
 
We must be scrupulously precise in our use of ecclesial terms, especially in regard to rubric and ritual. Otherwise, we will not sound as though we take ancient ritual seriously. The present climate tells us that the "old time religion" is what is going to cure all ills in the decaying ediface of the Roman structure, and we certainly must give it a shot.

In regard to the Chicago Holy Week liturgy, one respondent posted:

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It happened during the blessing of Easter baskets at one of the north side parishes on Holy Saturday morning. Cardinal George finished the liturgy like a trooper...

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Originally posted by Prudentius:
Why else would George have taken the symbolic fall? Certainly it had nothing to do with obfuscation and preaching peace and wellness when there is none.

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Cardinal George had polio as a youth, and usually walks with a profound limp.

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Cardinal George is notoriously liberal with sprinklings and incensings. Perhaps the message to him is to use less water!
 

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Posted by SeraphimSarov (# 4335) on :
 
and do a billion Catholics know they belong to a decaying Roman ediface???

[ 29. April 2007, 22:25: Message edited by: SeraphimSarov ]
 

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Posted by Mater et Magistra (# 9966) on :
 
I don't think Prudentius is capable of making a post about any subject, on any board, without taking a swipe at the "decaying edifice of the Roman Church".

Back to the Cardinal George tangent, though, yes, he suffered from polio as a child, and within the last year had surgery for cancer. These conditions I'm sure had an impact on his injury and recovery. God bless him and grant him many more years.

Blessing of the food or baskets on Holy Saturday is quite common in my neck of the woods, although not all parishes have them. The Polish and Portuguese and Hispanic parishes tend to do it, while the "Irish" ones tend not to.

I'm not sure what light, if any, that sheds on how much we're decaying round here.
 

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Posted by New Yorker (# 9898) on :
 
I'm late to this thread. That's to my regret.

That was the RC Cathedral of Leeds, right? If so, why a processional cross and not a processional crucifix? Or do my glasses need adjusting?

Also, I really like Farther Mark Mary of EWTN. He is a good preacher. Should we have a thread on why RC priests can't preach good sermons/homilies? I can count on one hand those that I have known who can preach good homilies and he is one of them.

I must say, that for all the criticism EWTN receives it does fill a void. God bless them. And have you ever seen a bunch of priests who make being a monk and priest so, well, hip?

Now, more videos, please. I need something to do at the office tomorrow.
 

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Posted by The Silent Acolyte (# 1158) on :
 
This video seems barely within the remit of this thread, but as the thread is on the verge of drifting to page two, I thought I'd take the chance.

In today's New York Times (about one third of the way down the page) you can catch a glimpse of the proper liturgical goings-on at Father Braxton's oratory for wayward girls (properly called Carmen's Place). What's to like? Celebration ad orientem, a proper chasuble (I bet he's got a maniple on!), a tabernacle, sanctuary lamp, incense, acolyte, votive lights, the works!
 

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Posted by lukacs (# 11865) on :
 
One wonders if his congo is always that distracted, of if the presence of cameras caused the chaos behind him!
 

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Posted by Autenrieth Road (# 10509) on :
 
The Silent Acolyte, any link or tips on what to search for at the New York Times, now that it's no longer today?
 

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Posted by lukacs (# 11865) on :
 
http://tinyurl.com/32awdw
 

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Posted by Autenrieth Road (# 10509) on :
 
Thanks, lukacs. You're off the hook, The Silent Acolyte . Thanks for pointing to it. Wow.

[ 04. May 2007, 20:58: Message edited by: Autenrieth Road ]
 

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Posted by Martin L (# 11804) on :
 
While searching for Chicago area info about the Liturgy of St. Mark, I stumbled upon St. Mark Coptic Orthodox Church of Chicago, which advertises a weekly Divine Liturgy webcast on Sunday from 8:45 to 12:30 (!) and Wednesday from 8:00 to 10:00. I'm not sure exactly which liturgy they use, but didn't the Divine Liturgy of St. Mark play a prominent role in the Coptic Church?

[ 05. May 2007, 23:53: Message edited by: Martin L ]
 

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Posted by PostDenominational Catholic (# 12426) on :
 

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Originally posted by Martin L:
While searching for Chicago area info about the Liturgy of St. Mark, I stumbled upon St. Mark Coptic Orthodox Church of Chicago, which advertises a weekly Divine Liturgy webcast on Sunday from 8:45 to 12:30 (!) and Wednesday from 8:00 to 10:00. I'm not sure exactly which liturgy they use, but didn't the Divine Liturgy of St. Mark play a prominent role in the Coptic Church?

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Originally posted by DitzySpike:
Now, everybody scream...

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Gosh, I have not seen that section of the British Museum before
 

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Posted by Triple Tiara (# 9556) on :
 
This one was quite fun: Liturgical abuses
 

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Posted by My Duck (# 11924) on :
 

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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
This one was quite fun: Liturgical abuses

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Posted by Chelley (# 11322) on :
 
My Duck - is your sig a commentary on the bride, the wafer and the priest incident in that vid?
 

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Posted by Anselmina (# 3032) on :
 

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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
This one was quite fun: Liturgical abuses

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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
This one was quite fun: Liturgical abuses

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Originally posted by Anselmina:

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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
This one was quite fun: Liturgical abuses

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I think I'll save that one and show it to wedding couples and baptism families as part of their prep!

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Yes, just set them at their ease and help them to relax before their big day.

(I'm sure I've seen that video recently but can't work out whether or not it was from the Ship).
 

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Posted by Leetle Masha (# 8209) on :
 
After giggling at Triple Tiara's recommendation of the "Liturgical Abuses" video, I happened on this inspiring one to balance it out:

Why Am I Catholic?

Best wishes,

Mary
 

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Posted by Scott Knitter (# 6278) on :
 
Here I go again slipping in some audio links, but St Thomas', Huron Street, in Toronto has posted the 9.30am Sung Mass and the 11am Solemn one from last Sunday in their beautiful entirety. Downloadable (recommended). Leaflet is here for following along.


 

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Posted by Treatise (# 4255) on :
 
Sister Act anyone?
 

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Posted by SeraphimSarov (# 4335) on :
 

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Originally posted by Treatise:
Sister Act anyone?

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oh that is SAD!!!!!!!!!!! But of it's era Good to see the old habits though (soon to be thrown out or modified I'm sure
 

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Posted by FCB (# 1495) on :
 

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Originally posted by Treatise:
Sister Act anyone?

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I wonder if one of them is Joan Chittister, since they are from her convent?

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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:

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Originally posted by DitzySpike:
Now, everybody scream...

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Gosh, I have not seen that section of the British Museum before

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Originally posted by DitzySpike:
Now, everybody scream...

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Originally posted by FCB:

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Originally posted by Treatise:
Sister Act anyone?

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My, that was excruciating.

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Originally posted by FCB:

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Originally posted by Treatise:
Sister Act anyone?

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My, that was excruciating.

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Originally posted by FCB:

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Originally posted by Treatise:
Sister Act anyone?

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My, that was excruciating.

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I agree - that was dreadful
There was no proper rhythm either

Max
 

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Posted by Mater et Magistra (# 9966) on :
 
Oh, Kum-Ba-Ya Catholicism in America (well, the Archdiocese of Boston, at any rate) is absolutely not an urban legend! That video just brought back some awful memories of my First Communion, circa 1980, where the Sister (definitely un-habited by then) made us sing Kum-Ba-Ya. I could almost smell the burlap-and-felt banners of wheat and grapes that we made, listening to it again.

Excruciating is right.
 

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Posted by C# (# 3818) on :
 

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Originally posted by Treatise:
Sister Act anyone?

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Eeeeek!

 

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Posted by Young fogey (# 5317) on :
 

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Originally posted by SeraphimSarov:

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Originally posted by Treatise:
Sister Act anyone?

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oh that is SAD!!!!!!!!!!! But of its era Good to see the old habits though (soon to be thrown out or modified I'm sure

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Originally posted by Autenrieth Road :
"dated TV style, of a song I like") ... how out of sync the visual and audio was

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Originally posted by Jimmy B:
Mm. Does anyone recognise where this is from?

(I'm guessing Brit Com of some sort. "She's mingin'" lol couldn't understand the accent)

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Originally posted by Treatise:
Sister Act anyone?

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Originally posted by Raspberry Rabbit:
DitsySpike wrote

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Originally posted by DitzySpike:
Now, everybody scream...

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I still don't know what they were doing. It looked like the beginning of a Gospel Procession but then turned into 'three coped blokes at the back of the church get censed and kiss the book'. What was that all about?

RR

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Originally posted by Fifi:

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Originally posted by Treatise:
Sister Act anyone?

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Antidote here .

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Originally posted by Fifi:

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Originally posted by Treatise:
Sister Act anyone?

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Antidote here .

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That is truly incredible!
 

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Posted by Mockingbird (# 5818) on :
 
No one but me seems to be able to view this QuickTime clip.

Those of you for whom it fails, does your browser give any precise technical details on why?
 

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Posted by Saint Bertelin (# 5638) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mockingbird:
No one but me seems to be able to view this QuickTime clip.

Those of you for whom it fails, does your browser give any precise technical details on why?

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The movie file "Centered Title 02" cannot be found. Without this file, the movie cannot play properly.

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Error 47: invalid URL

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While I didn't expect them to work, I tried Real Player and Windows Media Player on the off chance, but nothing. I'm sorry.
 

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Posted by Saint Bertelin (# 5638) on :
 
I usually use Firefox but I've just tried it in Internet Explorer and Opera and got the same thing I did with my usual browser. I don't know whether that helps.
 

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Posted by Leetle Masha (# 8209) on :
 
Have you tried updating Quick Time? I was notified yesterday that an update for it was ready to install.

I viewed the video. It's very short.

M
 

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Posted by Jimmy B (# 220) on :
 
Here's another in the same comedy series.

But here - here is a real live Orthodox (Greek) priest reading an SMS while preaching! He appears to be reading - but maybe just switching it off. lol! Awful!
 

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Posted by jlg (# 98) on :
 
The Quicktime clip works for me (older Quicktime, Firefox, Windows NT).
 

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Posted by Mockingbird (# 5818) on :
 
Since St. Bertelin did his helpful diagnostic (for which I thank him) I have uplinked a newer version, and tested it at a remote location. I think it should work now.
 

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Posted by Triple Tiara (# 9556) on :
 
Oh my. Maybe it were better that it had not worked and we had been spared.

Mind you, Max will be along shortly to tell us how wonderful it is
 

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Posted by Max. (# 5846) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mockingbird:
No one but me seems to be able to view this QuickTime clip.

Those of you for whom it fails, does your browser give any precise technical details on why?

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Originally posted by Saint Bertelin:


Now, can somebody please explain to me what that besurpliced man was doing?

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Making a bloody fool of himself???
 

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Posted by Saint Bertelin (# 5638) on :
 

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Originally posted by SeraphimSarov:

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Originally posted by Saint Bertelin:


Now, can somebody please explain to me what that besurpliced man was doing?

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Making a bloody fool of himself???

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Ahh yes. I see now that he's displaying all the classical signs. Thank you.


 

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Posted by Jimmy B (# 220) on :
 

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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
Oh my. Maybe it were better that it had not worked and we had been spared.

Mind you, Max will be along shortly to tell us how wonderful it is

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Mm. Missed that one. Thanks, TT.

How come it works when the Gabonese do it and not the white guys?
 

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Posted by lukacs (# 11865) on :
 
I watched Mockingbird's video and thought, did those guys convert to the EC from the Hare Krishnas? It's not that big of a leap these days.
 

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Posted by Mockingbird (# 5818) on :
 

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Originally posted by Saint Bertelin:
Now, can somebody please explain to me what that besurpliced man was doing?

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Originally posted by lukacs:
Did you film this as part of an expose' to be sent to the bishop, or is such behavior affirmed in your diocese?

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Wasn't highchurc suspended or something?

Max
 

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Posted by Saint Bertelin (# 5638) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mockingbird:

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Originally posted by Saint Bertelin:
Now, can somebody please explain to me what that besurpliced man was doing?

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He's playing the drum. We have several drums and a timbrel, and many of the congregation clap. It's one of their few departures from their generally reserved behavior.

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That helps. It just loooked to me as though he was doing a dance and hitting the pew in front of him as part of it. I see the drum now I know it's there. Still, the others managed to play their instruments without the exaggerated gestures.

 

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Posted by Mockingbird (# 5818) on :
 
Did Scott or anyone link this video yet?
 

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Posted by Scott Knitter (# 6278) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mockingbird:
Did Scott or anyone link this video yet?

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Originally posted by Archimandrite:
There's absolutely no excuse for that sort of thing.

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Indeed. One hopes that Frs. Ted and Dougal will show up outside the parish with a sign that reads "DOWN WITH THIS SORT OF THING."
 

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Posted by Leetle Masha (# 8209) on :
 
Dermot Morgan . the excellent actor who played the part of Father Ted, died nine years ago....

Perhaps we'll see him in heaven. I hope so.

Mary
 

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Posted by Saint Bertelin (# 5638) on :
 
Thanks to Leetla Masha for flagging it up. For any interested, this is happening now.
 

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Posted by Leetle Masha (# 8209) on :
 
And it is gorgeous! Do look if you can!

Best wishes,

Mary
 

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Posted by Saint Bertelin (# 5638) on :
 

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Originally posted by Leetle Masha:
And it is gorgeous! Do look if you can!

Best wishes,

Mary

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I'm sorry for Italianising your name.
 

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Posted by Leetle Masha (# 8209) on :
 
That's okay, St. Bertelin! I misspelled your name often enough!

So glad you had a chance to watch the joyful reunion of the Russian Orthodox Church with me, across all these miles. I was hoping they'd also show the Divine Liturgy, which, as they said, would "seal" the reunion in a sacramental way. Alas, there is "other news" on now, but we were blessed to see what we got to see, and I think we probably saw more than most people over there were able to see.

It was a beautiful moment in history.

Best wishes,

Mary
 

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Posted by Saint Bertelin (# 5638) on :
 
You're quite right. Thank you so much for giving me the opportunity. Don't despair yet, though, they did say that they were leaving the cathedral "for now", so I'm staying tuned. That said, I can understand if you need to sleep. It must be early morning where you are now.

My own parish priest was upset about not being able to view it but he's working away from a computer today. I was able to spot Archbishops Mark, Hilarion, and Kyrill from ROCOR, in addition, of course, to Metropolitan Laurus and Patriarch AlexeyII.
 

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Posted by Saint Bertelin (# 5638) on :
 
We're back!
 

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Posted by Ian Climacus (# 944) on :
 
They are. Wonderful to hear, and to see the pictures, and sounds, of what happened (which I missed due to work meetings). Thanks be to God. Looking forward to more highlights from the day being shown.

[and I could watch that host all night... ]

[ 17. May 2007, 08:49: Message edited by: Ian Climacus ]
 

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Posted by Leetle Masha (# 8209) on :
 
I found streaming video of the beautiful service here on Christ the Saviour Cathedral's very slow website Reunion Service . One goes to the website, needn't wait for the whole page to load, just click on the blue lines at the bottom of the right-hand column and it will give you a 4 hr., 51 min. video that plays with Windows Media Player "Classic".

Try it if you haven't any other source. The sound (on my machine anyhow) is quite soft, but you can hear it.

Did you find a video archive of the service anywhere else, Ian or anybody?

Best wishes,

Mary
 

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Posted by Leetle Masha (# 8209) on :
 
There's an "ecclesiantic" in that video that everyone will really enjoy, I think:

Russian Orthodox prelates have a corps of acolytes who are ready to help out in any emergency. "Russia Today" did not show the scene, which happens about an hour into the streaming video, where Patriarch Alexei needed to replace his mitre on his head, but from so much taking off and putting on of the mitre, his fine white hair had become dishevelled, so the acolyte handed him a fine ivory comb, with which the Patriarch smoothed back his white hair before replacing the mitre! Is that or what?!

Best,

Mary

[ 17. May 2007, 15:28: Message edited by: Leetle Masha ]
 

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Posted by Saint Bertelin (# 5638) on :
 

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Originally posted by Leetle Masha:
I found streaming video of the beautiful service here on Christ the Saviour Cathedral's very slow website Reunion Service . One goes to the website, needn't wait for the whole page to load, just click on the blue lines at the bottom of the right-hand column and it will give you a 4 hr., 51 min. video that plays with Windows Media Player "Classic".

Try it if you haven't any other source. The sound (on my machine anyhow) is quite soft, but you can hear it.

Did you find a video archive of the service anywhere else, Ian or anybody?

Best wishes,

Mary

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I swear you must have a patriarch-blessed computer that plays videos that are denied to mine.

Which version of Windows Media Player exactly is it that you're using? If I know, I can download it and try again. Only I've tried it on version 10 and on Real Player and it won't talk to me, and I've just discovered that I don't have the right version of Windows XP (service pack 2? whatever that means) to be able to upgrade to version 11.
 

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Posted by Leetle Masha (# 8209) on :
 
No, it plays with "Windows Media Player Classic", which I think is downloadable though I don't know from where. It was on my machine when I bought the machine last year.

Good luck! I will google and see if I can find where Windows Media Player Classic can be downloaded.

Mary
 

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Posted by Leetle Masha (# 8209) on :
 
Try the download here and see if it works. It's just a stripped-down version of Windows Media Player, 9 MB, so in its stuffed file, it shouldn't take too long to download.

M
 

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Posted by Saint Bertelin (# 5638) on :
 

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Originally posted by Leetle Masha:
No, it plays with "Windows Media Player Classic"

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Ahhh, sorry. I didn't realise that was the actual name of the version. I just thought that's what you were calling it because it was an older version.


But isn't this brilliant, though? I go away, put my pasta on, and I come back to find an answer. I love this site.

Ta muchly!
 

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Posted by Leetle Masha (# 8209) on :
 
I live to serve! Hope it works for you! The connection keeps timing out on me, but I persevere.

Best wishes to all, and apologies for geeky posts to get the video to play for you all! It's worth the trouble for the tat alone, but it's such a historic moment that I think everyone should have a chance to see it.

M
 

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Posted by Ian Climacus (# 944) on :
 

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Originally posted by Leetle Masha:
... and it will give you a 4 hr., 51 min. video...

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I think I'll take a long lunch [and spare pasta St B?] at work today.


Looking at the first few minutes, -- such beauty, such numbers, such colour. Wonderful: thanks indeed be to God for this day and this reunion.

quote:

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Originally posted by Leetle Masha:
Did you find a video archive of the service anywhere else, Ian or anybody?

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No, but I haven't looked: but thank you indeed LM for these links, and St B also, especially for the reminders, of this most blessed occasion.


 

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Posted by Leetle Masha (# 8209) on :
 
You're very welcome, Ian and St. B and everyone. It was my pleasure!

Anybody needing further viewing tips please pm me. I've got it down to brass tacks now with that Windows Media Player Classic.

Best wishes,

Mary
 

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Posted by lukacs (# 11865) on :
 
This is from Holy Thursday in my parish:

http://tinyurl.com/2hx852
 

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Posted by lukacs (# 11865) on :
 
As you can see, we nailed it even in the rehearsals in our choir room:

http://tinyurl.com/2g5tew
 

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Posted by SeraphimSarov (# 4335) on :
 

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Originally posted by lukacs:
As you can see, we nailed it even in the rehearsals in our choir room:

http://tinyurl.com/2g5tew

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Posted by SeraphimSarov (# 4335) on :
 
and does anyone do a Rock Mass quite like the King himself???

http://youtube.com/watch?v=a-S3K6wXYpg
 

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Posted by Young fogey (# 5317) on :
 
I was just about to blog that: 'Elvis does a folk Mass' from the film Change of Habit.

The music and the dancing girls are so wrong even though the words are very earnest and well-meant.

Interestingly the church and ceremonial are still nice and 'high' and reverent... it was depicting the use of the 1965 Missal, which was as far as many/most people thought the changes would go (which would have been fine). I even like the offertory procession.

And you've even got Mary Tyler Moore kitted out like a proper nun!
 

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Posted by SeraphimSarov (# 4335) on :
 
it is a camp classic!
 

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Posted by Saint Bertelin (# 5638) on :
 

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Originally posted by SeraphimSarov:
and does anyone do a Rock Mass quite like the King himself???

http://youtube.com/watch?v=a-S3K6wXYpg

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Originally posted by aumbry:
Are you sure that was a nun? It looked more like Mary Tyler Moore in fancy dress.

Aumbry

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Originally posted by Leetle Masha:
No, it plays with "Windows Media Player Classic", which I think is downloadable though I don't know from where. It was on my machine when I bought the machine last year.

Good luck! I will google and see if I can find where Windows Media Player Classic can be downloaded.

Mary

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Originally posted by RCD:
It's on YouTube now (I think)
here

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It doesn't appear to be complete. Sigh.
 

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Posted by Leetle Masha (# 8209) on :
 
Thanks very much indeed, RCD! At least, the excerpts from "Russia Today" on You Tube will give the flavour of it.... I tried to look at the 4hr. 51 min. video on the Cathedral of Christ the Saviour website last evening and this morning, and it won't play any more.... I guess they couldn't afford the bandwidth for more than a week.

I was just about to show people at my church on Sunday how to get the video, and was telling the choir about it last night at choir practice....but now the big video from the cathedral website with the whole service is no longer available.

Mary
 

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Posted by aumbry (# 436) on :
 
This is a period piece of Betjemania when every country village had a boys' choir. The last few minutes are fantastic.

Norfolk churches
 

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Posted by Leetle Masha (# 8209) on :
 
Thanks for that lovely You Tube video, aumbry! I just watched it and had an attack of acute nostalgia... oh, to be in England! The blurb credited the making of the programme to John Betjeman himself, 1974. I know John Betjeman died in '84. Miss him, he was one of my favourite poets....

Mary

[ 01. June 2007, 23:36: Message edited by: Leetle Masha ]
 

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Posted by aumbry (# 436) on :
 
I particulary liked the changeover from the choir boys practising in the room below to the rector who was in the room upstairs oiling his model steam engines!

Aumbry
 

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Posted by Leetle Masha (# 8209) on :
 
Yes, that changeover was priceless!

M
 

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Posted by aumbry (# 436) on :
 
If you enjoyed that then I recommend getting the DVD of Metroland in which Betjeman finds similar sorts of eccentricities at each stop of the tube.

Aumbry
 

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Posted by Leetle Masha (# 8209) on :
 
I'll look for it, thanks!

M
 

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Posted by lukacs (# 11865) on :
 
S. Clement's Rector announced in the June parish newsletter that a video of the High Mass and Procession for Corpus Christi will be uploaded to the parish website.
 

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Posted by lukacs (# 11865) on :
 
Clear Creek Benedictines:

here

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[ 07. June 2007, 17:35: Message edited by: Autenrieth Road ]
 

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Posted by TubaMirum (# 8282) on :
 

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Originally posted by lukacs:
Clear Creek Benedictines:

here

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Originally posted by lukacs:
S. Clement's Rector announced in the June parish newsletter that a video of the High Mass and Procession for Corpus Christi will be uploaded to the parish website.

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Originally posted by lukacs:
S. Clement's Rector announced in the June parish newsletter that a video of the High Mass and Procession for Corpus Christi will be uploaded to the parish website.

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Posted by Scott Knitter (# 6278) on :
 

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Originally posted by lukacs:
Clear Creek Benedictines:

here

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Very well produced! One hopes they might follow this up with videos filled with the things they only teased us with in this one: whole liturgies and chants. It was a little jarring to see "Matins" come up on the screen and immediately hear the beginning of a Credo.

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Posted by TubaMirum (# 8282) on :
 

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Originally posted by Scott Knitter:

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Originally posted by lukacs:
Clear Creek Benedictines:

here

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Very well produced! One hopes they might follow this up with videos filled with the things they only teased us with in this one: whole liturgies and chants. It was a little jarring to see "Matins" come up on the screen and immediately hear the beginning of a Credo.

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Perhaps Mass is celebrated before, during, or after Matins? They sang the Compline song during the Compline section, so somebody knows something about what's going on.

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Posted by lukacs (# 11865) on :
 
Here is the Clear Creek horarium:

Rise:4:50 a.m.
Matins:5:15
Lauds:6:15
Low Mass:6:50
Prime:8:00
Lectio Divina:9:00
Terce, High Mass:10:00
Study or Work:11:15
Sext:12:50 p.m.
Recreation: 2:00
None:2:35
Manual Labor:3:00
Vespers:6:00
Silent Prayer:6:30
Lectio Divina or Conference:7:00
Compline:8:25
 

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Posted by TubaMirum (# 8282) on :
 
Here's a hilarious one. The first two minutes are clips from the 1947 installation of Henry Knox Sherrill as Presiding Bishop of PECUSA.
 

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Posted by SeraphimSarov (# 4335) on :
 
very..........ummmmmm......Protestant
 

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Posted by Jimmy B (# 220) on :
 
"It brings to the Protestant Episcopal Church a valiant enemy in the fight against evil."

omg! lol. Why am I waiting for the announcer to hawk war bonds?

Is it a bird, is it a plane? No! It's His Grace, ABp. Knox Sherrill.

[ 14. June 2007, 00:53: Message edited by: Jimmy B ]
 

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Posted by PostDenominational Catholic (# 12426) on :
 
How quaint! Nowadays, the same ceremony as reported would begin with the Indian smokers, the banner-bearers, and a certain licensed episcopal pilot.

None of that forces of evil stuff... except if we do get a quote from Archbishop Akinola!
 

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Posted by Meaculpa (# 11821) on :
 
Why on earth does Tuba find the newsreel of Bp Sherrill's installation "hilarious" ?

I think a lot of us would cheerfully go back to 1947 and enjoy a church where order, peace and good works prevailed - and members, however divergent their liturgical practice, seemed to share a common faith.

I found the conviction and simplicity of the small part of the ceremony shown to be deeply moving.
 

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Posted by TubaMirum (# 8282) on :
 

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Originally posted by Meaculpa:
Why on earth does Tuba find the newsreel of Bp Sherrill's installation "hilarious" ?

I think a lot of us would cheerfully go back to 1947 and enjoy a church where order, peace and good works prevailed - and members, however divergent their liturgical practice, seemed to share a common faith.

I found the conviction and simplicity of the small part of the ceremony shown to be deeply moving.

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Originally posted by Scott Knitter:
Slide show and audio from a Latin Mass on Corpus Christi in St Louis.

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On the same principle [that "With the exception of the melodies proper to the celebrant at the altar and to the ministers, which must be always sung in Gregorian Chant, and without accompaniment of the organ, all the rest of the liturgical chant belongs to the choir of levites, and, therefore, singers in the church, even when they are laymen, are really taking the place of the ecclesiastical choir"] it follows that singers in church have a real liturgical office, and that therefore women, being incapable of exercising such office, cannot be admitted to form part of the choir. Whenever, then, it is desired to employ the acute voices of sopranos and contraltos, these parts must be taken by boys, according to the most ancient usage of the Church.

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Originally posted by Archimandrite:
How interesting. Heartening as it is to see ladies in nice mantillas, I wonder how "traditional" it is to have a schola of women, particularly in the light of Inter Sollicitudines V. 13 (of 1903)

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Originally posted by Archimandrite:
How interesting. Heartening as it is to see ladies in nice mantillas, I wonder how "traditional" it is to have a schola of women, particularly in the light of Inter Sollicitudines V. 13 (of 1903), which says

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On the same principle [that "With the exception of the melodies proper to the celebrant at the altar and to the ministers, which must be always sung in Gregorian Chant, and without accompaniment of the organ, all the rest of the liturgical chant belongs to the choir of levites, and, therefore, singers in the church, even when they are laymen, are really taking the place of the ecclesiastical choir"] it follows that singers in church have a real liturgical office, and that therefore women, being incapable of exercising such office, cannot be admitted to form part of the choir. Whenever, then, it is desired to employ the acute voices of sopranos and contraltos, these parts must be taken by boys, according to the most ancient usage of the Church.

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Poor old Pius X!

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I reminded of James Joyce in "The Dead" where he has a character exclaim "I don't think it's very honourable of the Pope to throw the women out of the choirs, that have been there for years! Slaving away! and put little whipper snappers of boys over their heads!! Well now, I'm sure it's for the good of the Church if the Pope says so, but it's not just and not right!!"



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Posted by Meaculpa (# 11821) on :
 
Tuba knows perfectly well that my nostalgia for 1947 was directed to the unity, faith and order of Holy Church.
 

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Posted by TubaMirum (# 8282) on :
 

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Originally posted by Meaculpa:
Tuba knows perfectly well that my nostalgia for 1947 was directed to the unity, faith and order of Holy Church.

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Originally posted by TubaMirum:

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Originally posted by Meaculpa:
Tuba knows perfectly well that my nostalgia for 1947 was directed to the unity, faith and order of Holy Church.

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Unfortunately, we don't get to ignore the rest while waxing nostalgic about one particular aspect of the past.

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Originally posted by Archimandrite:

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Originally posted by TubaMirum:

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Originally posted by Meaculpa:
Tuba knows perfectly well that my nostalgia for 1947 was directed to the unity, faith and order of Holy Church.

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Unfortunately, we don't get to ignore the rest while waxing nostalgic about one particular aspect of the past.

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A very whiggish approach.

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Greek Orthodox chanter Theodoros Vassilikos chants the Cherubic Hymn.

It says: "We, who mystically represent the Cherubim, and chant the thrice-holy hymn to the Life-giving Trinity, let us set aside the cares of life that we may receive the King of all, Who comes invisibly escorted by the Heavenly Hosts."

The Cherubic Hymn is the primary cherubicon, or song of the angels, sung in the Divine Liturgy. It occurs after the Gospel reading. The Cherubic Hymn was added to the Liturgy of St John Chrysostom by Emperor Justinian near the end of the sixth century. Before that it was part of the ancient Liturgy of St James, brother of Jesus (died AD 62).

Though the actual text is short, the hymn lasts for quite a while due to its drawn-out, ethereal style. It is our best imitation of the singing of the angels.

No musical instruments are used in traditional Eastern Orthodox services.

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Originally posted by TubaMirum:
the church was monochrome and monotone (which is why there was "peace," I suppose).

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Originally posted by lukacs:

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Originally posted by TubaMirum:
the church was monochrome and monotone (which is why there was "peace," I suppose).

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Says who? The ANGLICAN MISSAL and ANGLICAN BREVIARY were drafted around that time, by solid Catholics who were worlds apart from the "Protestant" Episcopal parishes all around them. I don't mean to continue this tangent--let me try and dig up film footage from one of the old AC plants for comparison's sake

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Originally posted by Scott Knitter:
Slide show and audio from a Latin Mass on Corpus Christi in St Louis.

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Originally posted by Meaculpa:
If anyone wants to share in an amazing liturgy, worthily celebrating the remarkable Fr John Andrew's 50 years as a priest, complete with "Christus Vincit", "Ecce Sacerdos" and a post-blessing sermon by a member of the Curia, a cardinal no less! - do go to the Saint Thomas Fifth Avenue web site and listen to last Sunday's 11:00 am Mass (June 17).

http://www.saintthomaschurch.org/

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Originally posted by Athanasius+:
Not a video, just stills I'm afraid, but a
magnificent Corpus Christi procession along Oxford Street. What fun!

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Very nice! I can smell the incense from here....
 

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Posted by TubaMirum (# 8282) on :
 
Here's something sort of interesting and amusing: Choral music in the audio, and the score itself in the video.

Learn your part at home online!
 

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Posted by Archimandrite (# 3997) on :
 
This is alternately hilarious and grotesque.
 

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Posted by TubaMirum (# 8282) on :
 

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Originally posted by Archimandrite:
This is alternately hilarious and grotesque.

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Very true.
 

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Posted by JArthurCrank (# 9175) on :
 
If this was made today, I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, to see Shoutin' Bill Donohue explode in uncontrollable rage.
 

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Posted by The Silent Acolyte (# 1158) on :
 
I know we've all seen something like this before, but I think this space-flight lunacy bears revisiting.

The launch begins at 1:15 and dissolves into an orgy of fireworks at 2:25. The ominous horns, skirling strings, and monster-movie organ chords at 1:45, while rising to the level of self-parody, still make one wonder whether some fake-bearded, god-the-father apparition will appear over the whole scene.

Can anyone identify the score for me?
 

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Posted by BillyPilgrim (# 9841) on :
 
It's Symphony Number 3 (the Organ Symphony) by Saint-Saens.
My first reaction on seeing the flying thurible was "Tie me to a pig and paint my bottom blue™, has anyone ever been killed doing that?"
Wonderful music though.
 

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Posted by PostDenominational Catholic (# 12426) on :
 

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Originally posted by BillyPilgrim:
It's Symphony Number 3 (the Organ Symphony) by Saint-Saens.
My first reaction on seeing the flying thurible was "Tie me to a pig and paint my bottom blue™, has anyone ever been killed doing that?"
Wonderful music though.

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Originally posted by BillyPilgrim:
It's Symphony Number 3 (the Organ Symphony) by Saint-Saens.
My first reaction on seeing the flying thurible was "Tie me to a pig and paint my bottom blue™, has anyone ever been killed doing that?"
Wonderful music though.

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Originally posted by TubaMirum:

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Originally posted by BillyPilgrim:
It's Symphony Number 3 (the Organ Symphony) by Saint-Saens.
My first reaction on seeing the flying thurible was "Tie me to a pig and paint my bottom blue™, has anyone ever been killed doing that?"
Wonderful music though.

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Speaking of pigs, that's the theme song from the first "Babe" movie. I had no idea it came from someplace else.

And isn't this the second time on this thread that we've seen a video of a giant killer thurible from Spain? Is that a thing there, generally, or was the first video from the same church, does anybody know?

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Originally posted by PostDenominational Catholic:
I look forward to seeing your video and wonder why I don't get to see it on ESPN locally.

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Originally posted by BillyPilgrim:
It's Symphony Number 3 (the Organ Symphony) by Saint-Saens.
My first reaction on seeing the flying thurible was "Tie me to a pig and paint my bottom blue™, has anyone ever been killed doing that?"
Wonderful music though.

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Originally posted by Max.:
So pretty

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Bravo! What a performance!

He picks the perfect moment to leave the altar and get a slurp of water, too.


 

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Posted by Archimandrite (# 3997) on :
 

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Originally posted by Max.:
So pretty


Max

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Originally posted by The Silent Acolyte:
Doesn't the use of the organ as a continuo violate some GIRM standard?

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32. The nature of the "presidential" texts demands that they be spoken in a loud and clear voice and that everyone listen with attention.44 Thus, while the priest is speaking these texts, there should be no other prayers or singing, and the organ or other musical instruments should be silent.

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the Eucharistic Prayer, which is the high point of the entire celebration. Next are the orations: that is to say, the collect, the prayer over the offerings, and the prayer after Communion. These prayers are addressed to God in the name of the entire holy people and all present, by the priest who presides over the assembly in the person of Christ.43 It is with good reason, therefore, that they are called the "presidential prayers."

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Originally posted by Liturgy Queen:
No one seems to have posted this, which Saint Bertelin sent to me some time ago and to which I have become attached.

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Originally posted by TubaMirum:

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Originally posted by PostDenominational Catholic:
I look forward to seeing your video and wonder why I don't get to see it on ESPN locally.

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Did you mean you couldn't see it on the link I gave? Sometimes you have to set your browser to accept popups.

Or did you mean on TV? I didn't see it there, either - no cable - but I think it's pretty recent. It's really quite amazing, because it says that she gave literally all the money she made playing tennis away.

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Originally posted by Archimandrite:

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Originally posted by Liturgy Queen:
No one seems to have posted this, which Saint Bertelin sent to me some time ago and to which I have become attached.

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I see your Angelus, and raise you a Paternoster .

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Originally posted by Max.:

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Originally posted by Archimandrite:

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Originally posted by Liturgy Queen:
No one seems to have posted this, which Saint Bertelin sent to me some time ago and to which I have become attached.

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I see your Angelus, and raise you a Paternoster .

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How about this one?

Max

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Originally posted by Max.:

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Originally posted by Archimandrite:

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Originally posted by Liturgy Queen:
No one seems to have posted this, which Saint Bertelin sent to me some time ago and to which I have become attached.

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I see your Angelus, and raise you a Paternoster .

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How about this one?

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Originally posted by JArthurCrank:
Yes it does. My parish violates this GIRM every Sunday as it uses Haugen's Mass of Creation setting of EPIII.

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Originally posted by Martin L:
Do you even take the option to sing the Memorial Acclamation repeatedly over the Anamnesis? I've yet to see a parish do this.

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Originally posted by JArthurCrank:

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Originally posted by Martin L:
Do you even take the option to sing the Memorial Acclamation repeatedly over the Anamnesis? I've yet to see a parish do this.

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Wow that sounds just awful! No we don't do that, thank goodness. We just have the organ playing.

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Traditional Latin Mass filmed on the Feast of the Sacred Heart in the small chapel of the International Seminary of Saint Cure d'Ars, Flavigny, France, in 1999. The seminary is the Society of Saint Pius X's second European seminary. Typically seminarians spend their first year of spiritually there before leaving for Ecône, Switzerland, to complete their training.

The film presents the ceremonies of the Missa Solemnis or Solemn High Mass with Gregorian chant and polyphonic motets. Some local customs take place during the Mass. For example, birettas are not worn and the Domini Non Sum Dignus is recited aloud by all present. More astute listeners might also notice the French pronunciation, which is perhaps not the ideal.

This film has been available on the Internet for quite some time encoded in a very low quality format. I have encoded the video here from an original source at the highest quality possible given the size restrictions at Youtube. Unfortunately this has resulted in a slightly blurred picture and mono sound rather than stereo. Apart from the addition of captions, the film remains unchanged.

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Originally posted by lukacs:
S. Clement's Rector announced in the June parish newsletter that a video of the High Mass and Procession for Corpus Christi will be uploaded to the parish website.

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Originally posted by RCD:

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Originally posted by lukacs:
S. Clement's Rector announced in the June parish newsletter that a video of the High Mass and Procession for Corpus Christi will be uploaded to the parish website.

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Cameron Carpenter, 2006 master’s degree graduate of New York’s Juilliard School, opens the series with a special two-hour performance. Carpenter performs works by such composers as Bach, Carpenter, Ellington, Franck and Grainger. The July 5 concert also serves as the closing concert of the National Convention of the American Theatre Organ Society, which is meeting in New York during the first week of July. The American Guild of Organists New York Regional Convention is concluding that same afternoon.

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Originally posted by TubaMirum:
Has anybody seen this?

I'm not sure if it really belongs here, but it's a video of Cameron Carpenter playing the organ at Trinity Wall Street. It's pretty amazing, even if he does play a bizarre version of "Yesterday." You won't be sorry if you go watch it, anyway.

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Cameron Carpenter, 2006 master’s degree graduate of New York’s Juilliard School, opens the series with a special two-hour performance. Carpenter performs works by such composers as Bach, Carpenter, Ellington, Franck and Grainger. The July 5 concert also serves as the closing concert of the National Convention of the American Theatre Organ Society, which is meeting in New York during the first week of July. The American Guild of Organists New York Regional Convention is concluding that same afternoon.

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Originally posted by Monty:
Amazing playing, and what an outfit as well.

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The Trinity Choir and Robert Mealy, baroque violinist leading period instruments, perform Petit Motets by early French Baroque composers Jean-Baptiste Lully and Marc-Antoine Charpentier and by late French Baroque masters André Campra and François Couperin. This performance will feature period instruments, as well as the finest solo voices from the Trinity Choir. Owen Burdick, conducting.

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Originally posted by TubaMirum:
Has anybody seen this?

I'm not sure if it really belongs here, but it's a video of Cameron Carpenter playing the organ at Trinity Wall Street. It's pretty amazing, even if he does play a bizarre version of "Yesterday." You won't be sorry if you go watch it, anyway.

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Cameron Carpenter, 2006 master’s degree graduate of New York’s Juilliard School, opens the series with a special two-hour performance. Carpenter performs works by such composers as Bach, Carpenter, Ellington, Franck and Grainger. The July 5 concert also serves as the closing concert of the National Convention of the American Theatre Organ Society, which is meeting in New York during the first week of July. The American Guild of Organists New York Regional Convention is concluding that same afternoon.

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Originally posted by St.Silas the carter:
Good lord,what kind of organ shoes are those?!I can only play in perfectly flat shoes.those are practicaly pumps!

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Originally posted by SeraphimSarov:
ah! Palestrina!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKuBfCaIqsU&eurl=

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Nice! Love the vestments, too!

(Great acoustics. I'm trying to figure out where they are....)
 

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Posted by Jimmy B (# 220) on :
 
Nothing new, one I stumbled on by accident (while searching capuchin monkey videos ) but just lovely to hear their thoughts on prayer and relationship with Christ: intelligent, deep-thinking, erudite young women in postulancy with the Capuchin Sisters.

God bless them, and I hope their order flourishes.
 

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Posted by St.Silas the carter (# 12867) on :
 

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Originally posted by TubaMirum:

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Originally posted by SeraphimSarov:
ah! Palestrina!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKuBfCaIqsU&eurl=

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Nice! Love the vestments, too!

(Great acoustics. I'm trying to figure out where they are....)

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Originally posted by TubaMirum:
(Great acoustics. I'm trying to figure out where they are....)

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Originally posted by Jimmy B:
Nothing new, one I stumbled on by accident (while searching capuchin monkey videos ) but just lovely to hear their thoughts on prayer and relationship with Christ: intelligent, deep-thinking, erudite young women in postulancy with the Capuchin Sisters.

God bless them, and I hope their order flourishes.

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Originally posted by jlg:

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Originally posted by TubaMirum:
(Great acoustics. I'm trying to figure out where they are....)

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Looks like an empty stage (note the drawn-back curtains at the right and odd bits of furniture to the left), perhaps in a small auditorium?

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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
Possibly it's at the latin mass in one of those megachurches Max is trying to promote?

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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:

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Originally posted by jlg:

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Originally posted by TubaMirum:
(Great acoustics. I'm trying to figure out where they are....)

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Looks like an empty stage (note the drawn-back curtains at the right and odd bits of furniture to the left), perhaps in a small auditorium?

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Possibly it's at the latin mass in one of those megachurches Max is trying to promote?

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except they would NEVER schedule a Latin Mass in one of those parishes. Too "irrelevent"
 

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Posted by Martin L (# 11804) on :
 

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Originally posted by SeraphimSarov:
except they would NEVER schedule a Latin Mass in one of those parishes. Too "irrelevent"

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Originally posted by St.Silas the carter:
The video is bad,but here's something from last sunday's mass

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Ooh interesting altar arrangement... I quite like it, shame about the Latin Chasuble

Max
 

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Posted by TubaMirum (# 8282) on :
 

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Originally posted by Martin L:
For those who haven't found it yet, St. Thomas Fifth Avenue makes audio webcasts (live and on demand briefly) for its Sunday morning Choral Eucharist and for its Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday Choral Evensongs. It is definitely worth a listen.

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Originally posted by Max.:
That's interesting because Notre Dame University also had a really big part to play in the Charismatic Renewal in the Catholic Church... where do the Charismatic Catholics tend to worship?


Max

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Originally posted by Max.:
I want this
Max

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Originally posted by Martin L:
Mass is webcast from the University of Notre Dame online. I haven't watched it online, but I've seen the Hallmark channel airing. It is Novus Ordo done fairly well. They previously broadcasted the Sunday morning mass, which was really high-candle and packed to the rafters, but now they run the Saturday Anticipated Mass, which is a bit lower with a bit less in attendance.

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Originally posted by Martin L:

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Originally posted by Max.:
I want this
Max

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I think it's neat, but I wonder what Archbishop Burke thinks about it.

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Well they've been around a long time, even if he didn't like it - I doubt there's much he could do about them!

Max
 

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Posted by SeraphimSarov (# 4335) on :
 
A very nice Latin NO Mass at Our Lady of Lourdes in Philadelphia- notice "I survey the Wondrous Cross" sung at the Offertory!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=blM80QeuseQ

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wgwCwpIMPAs


St Silas, have you ever attended Mass here?? Looks quite nice.
 

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Posted by St.Silas the carter (# 12867) on :
 
That IS my parish,I'm a server there.And it is nice.the choir's on vacation until next week,but we've had some lovely music.I've kept the service sheets.(And before anyone says anything,we did sing the propers also.we always do.)

[ 11. September 2007, 16:30: Message edited by: St.Silas the carter ]
 

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Posted by SeraphimSarov (# 4335) on :
 

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Originally posted by St.Silas the carter:
That IS my parish,I'm a server there.And it is nice.the choir's on vacation until next week,but we've had some lovely music.I've kept the service sheets.(And before anyone says anything,we did sing the propers also.we always do.)

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Originally posted by SeraphimSarov:

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Originally posted by St.Silas the carter:
That IS my parish,I'm a server there.And it is nice.the choir's on vacation until next week,but we've had some lovely music.I've kept the service sheets.(And before anyone says anything,we did sing the propers also.we always do.)

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Wonderful! I would love to attend there sometime. Who is the cantor on the video?? He has a great voice.

Actually, I thought the hymn was perfectly attuned to the Offertory as well as beautiful in that setting.

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I think it was Mr.mark bradford,Our choral director.And I do love that hymn sung to rockingham.
 

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Posted by Liturgy Queen (# 11596) on :
 
This made my day today. There are Episcopal, RC, and many other versions, but the Lutheran was my fave.
 

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Posted by SeraphimSarov (# 4335) on :
 
Miss Betty is the diva of divas! "Martin Luther was a Catholic priest who had just about had it and I know that feeling! So he wrote 95 things on the wall and went on a diet of worms. You know that takes real committment to just eat worms.............for the LORD!!!!!!!!!"



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Posted by Scott Knitter (# 6278) on :
 

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Originally posted by SeraphimSarov:
Miss Betty is the diva of divas! "Martin Luther was a Catholic priest who had just about had it and I know that feeling! So he wrote 95 things on the wall and went on a diet of worms. You know that takes real committment to just eat worms.............for the LORD!!!!!!!!!"

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Originally posted by SeraphimSarov:
Miss Betty is the diva of divas! "Martin Luther was a Catholic priest who had just about had it and I know that feeling! So he wrote 95 things on the wall and went on a diet of worms. You know that takes real committment to just eat worms.............for the LORD!!!!!!!!!"

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Originally posted by Scott Knitter:
1979 BCP Mass in Latin at the Church of the Advent of Christ the King in San Francisco. Here's the Latin BCP; see pp. 209ff.

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WWCS??? What Would Cranmer Say???
 

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Posted by SeraphimSarov (# 4335) on :
 

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Originally posted by Liturgy Queen:

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Originally posted by SeraphimSarov:
Miss Betty is the diva of divas! "Martin Luther was a Catholic priest who had just about had it and I know that feeling! So he wrote 95 things on the wall and went on a diet of worms. You know that takes real committment to just eat worms.............for the LORD!!!!!!!!!"

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She certainly does break down in tears at the best times. The taperer with the burning hair was a hoot, too.

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You can't beat her crying and speaking in tongues. Did you see her one on the Buddhists and wondering if instead of incense, she could use Febreze???
 

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Posted by FCB (# 1495) on :
 
Max.'s mention on another thread of a Youtube video with a eucharistic prayer he found dodgy sent me looking for it. I'm suspecting this is the one he meant. I've got to say, at the beginning it struck me simply as silly. But when he gets to the consecration, around 4:30, it becomes hilarious -- it sounds like someone on acid trying to be express the kind of profound insights one has when under the effects of hallucinogens.
 

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Posted by RCD (# 11440) on :
 
I found the picture displayed in the background after "take..eat...me" to be interesting!
 

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Posted by Thurible (# 3206) on :
 
Never let it be said that there's any connexion between westward celebration and crap liturgy.

Thurible
 

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Posted by Hooker's Trick (# 89) on :
 
And people say the Traditional Language is opaque.
 

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Posted by FCB (# 1495) on :
 
I'm curious to know from our brethren and sistren from across the pond: is it only in America that "eat me" is an insulting retort?
 

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Posted by Richard Collins (# 11515) on :
 
'Eat me' is also an insult over here!

I'm sorry but that was truly awful. Having come from the Charismatic movement, and now entering the Orthodox church, this DIY liturgy was like a car crash of my past and present.

[ 11. October 2007, 15:05: Message edited by: Richard Collins ]
 

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Posted by Triple Tiara (# 9556) on :
 
Okay, so I got to this by a strange route (Traditional Anglicans asking for corporate union with Rome), but it covers many current threads (sung Angelus, cottas, bowing the head).

I must admit I found it, well, creepy to be honest

[ 23. October 2007, 01:30: Message edited by: Triple Tiara ]
 

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Posted by Martin L (# 11804) on :
 

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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
Okay, so I got to this by a strange route (Traditional Anglicans asking for corporate union with Rome), but it covers many current threads (sung Angelus, cottas, bowing the head).

I must admit I found it, well, creepy to be honest

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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
Okay, so I got to this by a strange route (Traditional Anglicans asking for corporate union with Rome), but it covers many current threads (sung Angelus, cottas, bowing the head).

I must admit I found it, well, creepy to be honest

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Originally posted by Monty:
The video on that site shows the combination of a bishop wearing a dalmatic, acting as deacon of the mass, yet still wearing a mitre. It's right, but unusual.

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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
Okay, so I got to this by a strange route (Traditional Anglicans asking for corporate union with Rome), but it covers many current threads (sung Angelus, cottas, bowing the head).

I must admit I found it, well, creepy to be honest

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Originally posted by JArthurCrank:
What ever happened to that really loony Leslie "the Mad" Hamlett? He signed the initial petition for the pastoral provision, but ended up going into episcopi vagantes cuckoo-land. A lot of these English continuing church types are just like that - they are unordainable even if the English episcopate were all Kurt Krenn klones.

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Originally posted by My Duck:

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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
Okay, so I got to this by a strange route (Traditional Anglicans asking for corporate union with Rome), but it covers many current threads (sung Angelus, cottas, bowing the head).

I must admit I found it, well, creepy to be honest

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I agree - and what horrid music!

Is St Agatha's the only real church they have? I see there are only 5 'parishes' in the UK; one meets in a scout hut, one in a nursing home and the other two prefer not to say...

A salutary lesson against schism IMHO

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Originally posted by Archimandrite:

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Originally posted by JArthurCrank:
What ever happened to that really loony Leslie "the Mad" Hamlett? He signed the initial petition for the pastoral provision, but ended up going into episcopi vagantes cuckoo-land. A lot of these English continuing church types are just like that - they are unordainable even if the English episcopate were all Kurt Krenn klones.

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http://www.holy-catholic-church-wr.org/

As of 2006. Wot larks!

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Well, they want to evangelise Sweden! What could be better???
 

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Posted by Archimandrite (# 3997) on :
 

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Originally posted by SeraphimSarov:

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Originally posted by Archimandrite:

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Originally posted by JArthurCrank:
What ever happened to that really loony Leslie "the Mad" Hamlett? He signed the initial petition for the pastoral provision, but ended up going into episcopi vagantes cuckoo-land. A lot of these English continuing church types are just like that - they are unordainable even if the English episcopate were all Kurt Krenn klones.

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http://www.holy-catholic-church-wr.org/

As of 2006. Wot larks!

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Well, they want to evangelise Sweden! What could be better???

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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
Okay, so I got to this by a strange route (Traditional Anglicans asking for corporate union with Rome), but it covers many current threads (sung Angelus, cottas, bowing the head).

I must admit I found it, well, creepy to be honest

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I didn't feel it was so bad except for the overbowing (like to the processional crucifix at the beginning) and the initial Ave Maria. I dislike that setting. And maybe if they had stayed slightly more in tune.

Out of curiosity, why did the priest kneel with the servers for the blessing of the incense?
 

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Posted by Thurible (# 3206) on :
 
I saw and wondered that, too. Not having Fortescue to hand (S. Bertelin, could you remove it from under your desk?), I wondered if it was simply a case that he wasn't used to assisting at a pontifical mass and simply followed the servers out of nervousness.

Thurible
 

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Posted by JArthurCrank (# 9175) on :
 
Back when I was an altar server in Diocese X, the thurifurs knelt before the bishop at the throne while he was putting incense in the thurible. This was in the novus ordo - I don't know if that cathedral still does it.

The only thing that was creepy was the horrible Gounoud/Bach Ave Maria. On first hearing, I wondered what that unearthly screeching could possibly be and why that was at all tolerated and then understood as they panned in on the poor epicine 14 year old - a voice that only a mother or a pederast could love.

The other negative was that the Marian devotions NEVER ENDED. That was complete overkill - no need for Ave Maria, then Angelus, then low mass leonine prayers at high mass then all of the Mary's dowry stuff, and on and on and on.

Otherwise, I'm glad that TAC has brought that historic parish back from the grave - even if there are only 10-20 parishioners. Wasn't that Father Dolling's parish? And, do they actually engage in ministry or are they just playing church?
 

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Posted by Cusanus (# 692) on :
 
Patronal Festival High Mass at St Peter's Eastern Hill in the presence of six bishops!
 

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Posted by Thurible (# 3206) on :
 
Why are the bishops all in copes and mitres? Am I misremembering in thinking that, if they're not concelebrating, the 'other five' should be in choir dress?

Thurible
 

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Posted by RCD (# 11440) on :
 
So I'm finally about to see what the much-vaunted S. Clement's ceremonial - even if it's not the full thing yet.


Link
 

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Posted by RCD (# 11440) on :
 
Is it high! Salutations to the choir! But I wish some of the gestures - signs of the cross, breast beating - particularly of the subdeacon - were a little more natural.

Among the parts I found amusing was the choir member briefly rubbing his nose with the back of his surplice and the deacon looking out of the corner of his eyes from under his biretta at "Domine Deus Agnus Dei Filius Patris"
 

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Posted by FCB (# 1495) on :
 
Having looked at a couple of the St.Clement's videos, I can say with confidence:

1) the music is beautiful
2) I have no desire to worship in such a manner
 

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Posted by Archimandrite (# 3997) on :
 
Hm...

Like:

*It's quite small, isn't it?
*Golly, the organ's vast!
*Nice tat.
*Choir's alright, but the sop's a bit sharp.

Don't like:
*Choir and orchestra at the front.
*Old men servers.
*Saluting a non-liturgical choir.
*Subdeacon just looked a bit embarrassed, really.
*Liturgical gestures all a bit forced and "and-slap-slap-slap-stop-one-two-three", instead of naturaly and flowing.
*Too much lace on the servers.

Interested by:
*Not a particularly conservatively-dressed congregation.
*Not that many ladies covered, but good to see the female choristers covered.
*Choristers singing from scrappy sheets of paper, rather than hymnals or nice folders.
*Not that many there full stop.
*Subdeacon can't sing very nicely.

All in all:

Most of the big Novus Ordo tatfests I've been to were better (plaudits to you, S. Silas, Kentish Town).
 

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Posted by lukacs (# 11865) on :
 
Well, I had a suit on, but given that it was June and SCC isn't air conditioned, please forgive the less stalwart brethren for their sartorial compromises.
 

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Posted by Archimandrite (# 3997) on :
 

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Originally posted by lukacs:
Well, I had a suit on, but given that it was June and SCC isn't air conditioned, please forgive the less stalwart brethren for their sartorial compromises.

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Shurely y'all wear white linen suits and bowties? Don't shatter my cherished images!
 

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Posted by Martin L (# 11804) on :
 
I'm sure more than the usual S. Clement's members are checking out our opinions. Since I have the opportunity, I just wanted to thank you for this and for the audio podcasts.

I usually prefer something that can only be described as Solemn High Novus Ordo (if indeed that even exists), but the S. Clement liturgies also interest me. I like the occasional variety--for instance, sometimes Silent Canon, sometimes spoken.

[ 26. November 2007, 23:11: Message edited by: Martin L ]
 

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Posted by Liturgy Queen (# 11596) on :
 
Still waiting for the rest of the Mass to be posted. How long, O Lord?

(Am I the only one who's actually falling in love with the audio attack on the homepage)?
 

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Posted by Max. (# 5846) on :
 
A really nice examples of some Easter Vigil Baptisms
Certainly a lot of joy at the service!


Max
 

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Posted by Saint Chad (# 5645) on :
 
I'm not too sure about the 'Roman slave' look.
 

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Posted by Love the You you hide (# 12249) on :
 

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Originally posted by Max.:
A really nice examples of some Easter Vigil Baptisms
Certainly a lot of joy at the service!

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That really freaks me out, I'm scared of water as it is, and the thought of being dunked BACKWARDS like that scares the life out of me!
 

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Posted by Spikey (# 9373) on :
 

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Originally posted by Liturgy Queen:
Still waiting for the rest of the Mass to be posted. How long, O Lord?

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Originally posted by RCD:
Is it high! Salutations to the choir! But I wish some of the gestures - signs of the cross, breast beating - particularly of the subdeacon - were a little more natural.

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This is the problem I had watching the video from St Clement's from Corpus Christi- it just seems more like a pretty performance which I can appreciate aesthetically but not as worship at Mass. The gestures are just too theatrical and I have to say that I appreciate the beauty of a Tridentine High Mass.

[ 01. December 2007, 02:39: Message edited by: SeraphimSarov ]
 

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Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :
 
I hope no one has posted this before:

Confession in the 21st Century


 

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Posted by LA Dave (# 1397) on :
 
Martin: If you like "Solemn High Novus Ordo," you would like our shack. Here is the lineup for the 23rd Sunday in Ordinary Time:

Processional: O Holy City, Seen of John (hymnal)
Introit: Dicit Dominus: Ego Cogito . . . (Graduale Romanum Mode VI)
Kyrie and Gloria: Mass Dedicate to Fray Junipero Serra, OFM, Pioneer of the Faith and Builder of the Civilization in California (Richard Keys Biggs)
Offertory Anthem: Laudate nomen Domini (Christopher Tye)
Hymn: Now the Day of the Lrod Is at Hand (hymnal)
Sanctus and Bendictus: Cantus Missae (Graduale Romanum)
Agnus Dei: Serra Mass
Communion Antiphon: Amen dico vobis (Graduale Romanum Mode I)
Communion Motet: O Sacred Feast (Healey Willan)

Nice mix of AC and RC, if I do say so myself. Thus, perfect for that unified church in the OP (as long as one adds Lutheran chorales).

Richard Keys Biggs was a well known organist/composer in Los Angeles who was the teacher of Roger Wagner, of Roger Wagner Chorale/Los Angeles Master Chorale fame. Biggs in turn studied with Richard Runciman Terry, the great Master of Music at Westminster Cathedral.

This is a typical lineup for the noon mass every week -- summer is similar, except that the Gloria is the Cantus Missae setting in the hymnal. The Sanctus and Benedictus is, by order of His Eminence, sung congregationally.
 

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Posted by Martin L (# 11804) on :
 

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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
I hope no one has posted this before:

Confession in the 21st Century

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Originally posted by Martin L:

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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
I hope no one has posted this before:

Confession in the 21st Century

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That...is...hilarious!

LA Dave, it does sound nice. I would need the addition of the Lutheran hymns and chorales, of course, but that is not a detriment to anyone! As for the singing of the Sanctus and Agnus Dei by the congo, I would have to say I agree with His Eminence, but is it that surprising a Lutheran would agree with that particular Eminence? Anyway, he could lighten up a little and allow an occasional choral setting.

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I'm surprised ++Mahony tolerates such a traditional Mass with good music
 

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Posted by LA Dave (# 1397) on :
 
SS: His Eminence does not interfere with the musical preferences of individual parishes. While some have questioned the Cardinal's musical tastes, there is a decent choir and a magnificent organ at the Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels. By the way, the Cathedral choir, along with choirs from St. Cyril of Jerusalem and St. Paul the Apostle, will be singing the chorus parts in a Los Angeles Opera production of Handel's "Judas Maccabeus" [sp?] in January, to be performed in the Cathedral.
 

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Posted by LA Dave (# 1397) on :
 
Martin: Thanks. I'll have you know that the music director's preference is for sturdy Lutheran hymns (a number of which can be found, in four-part harmony, in our excellent hymnal) as well for the works of the North German organ masters.
 

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Posted by Liturgy Queen (# 11596) on :
 
Well, chapter 5 of the S. Clement's video (Sermon, Credo, Offertory) is online, but after a minute or two it stops playing. This happens on both Firefox and Explorer. Anyone else having this?
 

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Posted by Martin L (# 11804) on :
 

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Originally posted by Liturgy Queen:
Well, chapter 5 of the S. Clement's video (Sermon, Credo, Offertory) is online, but after a minute or two it stops playing. This happens on both Firefox and Explorer. Anyone else having this?

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Originally posted by Martin L:

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Originally posted by Liturgy Queen:
Well, chapter 5 of the S. Clement's video (Sermon, Credo, Offertory) is online, but after a minute or two it stops playing. This happens on both Firefox and Explorer. Anyone else having this?

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Yes. The last thing I hear is "At the altar, the priest consecrates the bread." Then it cuts off and goes black.

Strangely enough, the load bar appears to indicate that the entire clip has loaded very quickly. It will not allow me to advance beyond what I have seen.

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I was getting the same problem. And all this time I was silently cursing my ISP, sure that this was the latest in their censorship (the latest has been to mess up the Internet Archive, my favorite resource )
 

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Posted by RuggerProChriste (# 13010) on :
 

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Originally posted by SeraphimSarov:

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Originally posted by RCD:
Is it high! Salutations to the choir! But I wish some of the gestures - signs of the cross, breast beating - particularly of the subdeacon - were a little more natural.

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This is the problem I had watching the video from St Clement's from Corpus Christi- it just seems more like a pretty performance which I can appreciate aesthetically but not as worship at Mass. The gestures are just too theatrical and I have to say that I appreciate the beauty of a Tridentine High Mass.

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I must admit, I feel something of the same way watching the video online. But, as a regular worshiper there, I don't generally feel "impeded" (if that's the right word for what you're getting at) by the liturgy--perhaps because I so rarely watch all the motions of the celebrant and servers.

And it would be nice if there were younger servers there, but, alas, there are very few kids who attend. That notwithstanding, it's a very nice place to be, I've found, especially when there is cake.

Joking aside, though, yes the music is nice, and yes it's not for everyone.
 

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Posted by Triple Tiara (# 9556) on :
 
And now for something completely different......

(I was trying to educate myself!)
 

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Posted by Liturgy Queen (# 11596) on :
 
Interesting to see shots of the choirs in surplices: presumably footage from before the current Dean's tenure.

And don't get me started on the Presbyterian shooters.

And that north-end celebrant looks really uncomfortable.
 

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Posted by Liturgy Queen (# 11596) on :
 
Am I the only one who thinks that the cope-clad chap in the second photo of the current S. Clement's montage is a dish?
 

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Posted by The Silent Acolyte (# 1158) on :
 
And you are posting this comment here ... why? Because, mayhap an Ecclesiantics denizen has a video of him tucked away in an appropriate directory on his or her hard drive?
 

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Posted by Scott Knitter (# 6278) on :
 
In a moment of nostalgia, I will sometimes remember the CBC-TV program Meeting Place, which could be picked up on Sunday mornings from our home in a Detroit suburb via CBET-TV in Windsor, Ontario. I took to videotaping this weekly broadcast of a service from a different Canadian church, synagogue, or other house of worship every week. This was where I first saw a service from a Buddhist church (and first heard of such a thing) in Vancouver. There was the Anglo-Catholic parish Mass from somewhere in the Maritimes. I came to look forward to beautiful Hope Sealy's smile as she presented each week's program.

There's still such a thing going on in Germany, and you can watch the last 16 Gottesdienst programs online via the ZDF network's Web site. I just watched a Catholic Mass from Hamm, and I was impressed by the music and simple but dignified ceremonial...not a note of Haugen or Haas (it helps that RC Germany has a ubiquitous hymnal, Gotteslob, and the hymn numbers from GL are flashed on the screen as appropriate. The Lutheran services have hymns from EG, which I assume means Evangelisches Gesangbuch).

Anyway, here's how to watch:

• Go to the ZDF Web site.
• Click the tab "ZDFmediathek."
• Click the link, "Sendung verpasst?" ("Missed a show?")
• You'll see the days of the week laid out in a ribbon. Click "So" for Sonntag (Sunday).
• Click the program "Gottesdienste." The latest one will begin, or you may have to click something like Quicktime first.
• You can mouse over the bottom-right of the video screen to get a window for browsing the other 15 episodes available. There's a New Year's Eve service from the Frauenkirche in Dresden that's worth watching. No translations, though; sorry.

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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
And now for something completely different......

(I was trying to educate myself!)

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Originally posted by Forthview:
Since there are only 45 mins allotted to the service and the service contained many,perhaps too many elements I wondered if this was why everything seemed so short in the Communion part or is that what a Lutheran Eucharist is like. I have been a few times to a Lutheran Communion but don't remember the details.

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Originally posted by Forthview:
If anyone else is watching can you let me know about the Lutheran service,which I saw on that list.

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Is this the one which was celebrated by Judith Light?
 

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Posted by Forthview (# 12376) on :
 
I did watch that at the time.Thanks for giving me the link again.That service of course was a Swedish Lutheran service.Does the German Lutheran church use tha same liturgy ? Is it the same liturgy which is used everywhere or is it like the Anglican liturgy which seems to varyu in evry country,even when the clerics are noyt using bits and pieces from non-Anglican rites ?
 

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Posted by Martin L (# 11804) on :
 
Assuming you ment the service labeled Einkehr und Ausblick, the Great Thanksgiving was fairly standard. This is how it went:

Preface Dialog (spoken)
Proper Preface (spoken)
Sanctus (congregation stands--"Bach" Sanctus--used worldwide)
Words of Institution
Sung Acclamation
Anamnesis
Epiclesis
Lord's Prayer
Agnus Dei
Pax Domini
Invitation to communion

Of course, there was a time when Lutheran churches commonly used only the Words of Institution. Recall that Luther opposed most of the prayers which make up what is known as the Roman Canon. He simply didn't say them, and nobody noticed because they were said silently anyway.

Nowadays, longer eucharistic prayers exist that either avoid the language of sacrifice or phrase it as a sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving (sound familiar, Anglicans?!)

After the Sanctus, the prayer used reminded me of something I've seen in the New Zealand Prayer Book (IIRC), where the Words of Insitution occur immediately after the Sanctus, but then the prayer continues a bit afterwards. It transitions quite quickly into the Lord's Prayer. This would be a rather modern procedure for Germany, where one would find only the WoI up until 20-30 years ago (or sooner).

Most Lutheran churches in developed countries now use eucharistic prayers.
 

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Posted by Martin L (# 11804) on :
 

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Originally posted by Forthview:
I did watch that at the time.Thanks for giving me the link again.That service of course was a Swedish Lutheran service.Does the German Lutheran church use tha same liturgy ? Is it the same liturgy which is used everywhere or is it like the Anglican liturgy which seems to varyu in evry country,even when the clerics are noyt using bits and pieces from non-Anglican rites ?

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Anglicans are fortunate because many of them worship in the same language worldwide. Lutherans do not have that luxury.

Typically, each national church (or group of churches who speak the same language) write their own liturgical texts. Of course, we do borrow, and we do have some prayers in common--especially those written by Luther or dating back to him. Our liturgy looks very similar from country to country, with minor variations. (For instance, did you hear them sing the Introit at the beginning of the German liturgy you mentioned? The Introit still survives in Germany and Scandinavia, but has been removed in mainline North America and replaced with the longer Psalm after the First Reading, as in Roman Catholicism.)

There are different types of Lutherans, just as there are different types of Anglicans, but in churches of the LWF you will find the basic western rite "Novus Ordo" pattern. In Europe you will generally find the following variations:

Different standing/sitting procedures
The Introit remains (& possibly the Gradual)
Usually only Epistle and Gospel
Old or reformed one-year lectionary

In churches not of the LWF, you can find something more like the cathedral in Sydney, Australia. (There is an exception, but the acronyms would overwhelm.)

One thing we do share in common worldwide is a core of good Lutheran hymnody, once again including Luther's best works. His hymns from the Deutsche Messe are translated into all the major languages, as are many old German hymns. The "Bach" Sanctus which I mentioned earlier upthread, is also incredibly widespread in Europe, North America, and elsewhere in many languages.
 

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Posted by Forthview (# 12376) on :
 
Thank you for all the information. When I have time to get the link again I will watch it with greater understanding of the rite.
 

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Posted by Martin L (# 11804) on :
 
I've never used this smilie before, but I just watched the video of the Lutheran service in Dresden. I would sit on the fourth balcony level.


 

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Posted by Forthview (# 12376) on :
 
The Frauenkirche (Our Lady's) is a wonderful church.I haven't been in the completed church but watched the most impressive consecration service on Reformationstag over a year ago.

I have been at services in the crypt and was there on the day that the bells wererung for the first time.

On the day of the consecration the German Federal president spoke and mentioned some of the financial contributions,including ,as he told us, a contribution from a lady in Torun (Poland) whose two brothers had been gruesomely put to death in Dresden. She wanted her contribution to signal a Christian overture from Poles to Germans, from Catholics to Protestants.
 

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Posted by seasick (# 48) on :
 
In the Lund cathedral video what are the garments worn by the servers that look like short stoles worn back-to-front?
 

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Posted by Martin L (# 11804) on :
 

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In the Lund cathedral video what are the garments worn by the servers that look like short stoles worn back-to-front?

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Originally posted by JArthurCrank:
This travesty may deserve its own thread. Ladies and Gentlemen: I present to you.....

the Zydeco Mass.

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The extroverts attack! Aaagh!
 

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Posted by My Duck (# 11924) on :
 

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This travesty may deserve its own thread. Ladies and Gentlemen: I present to you.....

the Zydeco Mass.

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Originally posted by JArthurCrank:
This travesty may deserve its own thread. Ladies and Gentlemen: I present to you.....

the Zydeco Mass.

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2 Sam, 6:14
"And David danced before the LORD with all his might".....

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Originally posted by JArthurCrank:
This travesty may deserve its own thread. Ladies and Gentlemen: I present to you.....

the Zydeco Mass.

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2 Sam, 6:14
"And David danced before the LORD with all his might".....

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Originally posted by JArthurCrank:
This travesty may deserve its own thread. Ladies and Gentlemen: I present to you.....

the Zydeco Mass.

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2 Sam, 6:14
"And David danced before the LORD with all his might".....

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At least they're not naked!

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Originally posted by JArthurCrank:
This travesty may deserve its own thread. Ladies and Gentlemen: I present to you.....

the Zydeco Mass.

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2 Sam, 6:14
"And David danced before the LORD with all his might".....

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At least they're not naked!

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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
phew! just as I was getting worried I spotted it was the Episcopalian Cathedral.

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REAL Cajuns would know better
 

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Posted by Max. (# 5846) on :
 
This brings a whole new meaning to Supermarket Religion!

Max
 

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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:

Anyway, this one is currently causing all the traddy Catholics to pee in their knickers with delight out on trad-central blogosphere. It's a hoot!

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Bless me Father for I have sinned




Max
 

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Posted by My Duck (# 11924) on :
 

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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:

Anyway, this one is currently causing all the traddy Catholics to pee in their knickers with delight out on trad-central blogosphere. It's a hoot!

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Bless me Father for I have sinned

I like it!

From the Plain to the Ridiculous in only 365,000 stages...




Max

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Anyway, this one is currently causing all the traddy Catholics to pee in their knickers with delight out on trad-central blogosphere. It's a hoot!

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Originally posted by JArthurCrank:
This travesty may deserve its own thread. Ladies and Gentlemen: I present to you.....

the Zydeco Mass.

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Originally posted by JArthurCrank:
This travesty may deserve its own thread. Ladies and Gentlemen: I present to you.....

the Zydeco Mass.

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2 Sam, 6:14
"And David danced before the LORD with all his might".....

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At least they're not naked!

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Please don't give them any ideas. Though I remember reading 20 years ago that Bishop Kilmer Myers endorsed celebrating mass in the nude.

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Doesn't celebrating Mass in the nude result in Demons being called up from the Pit?
 

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Posted by Max. (# 5846) on :
 

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Anyway, this one is currently causing all the traddy Catholics to pee in their knickers with delight out on trad-central blogosphere. It's a hoot!

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Bless me Father for I have sinned


Max

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I like it!

From the Plain to the Ridiculous in only 365,000 stages...

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I'm glad you liked it

Max
 

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Posted by Triple Tiara (# 9556) on :
 
Oh yes, as I recall Anselmina made the suggestion of that soundtrack when the link was first posted.
 

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Posted by JArthurCrank (# 9175) on :
 
That video and soundtrack is somewhat similar to this rather nasty and unfair attack on Pope John Paul and the liturgy under his watch, entitled "Catholic Mass with Wojtyla and Ratzinger." Despite (or because?) of its unfair nastiness, I laffed.

[fixed the link code]

[ 13. February 2008, 22:42: Message edited by: jlg ]
 

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Posted by JArthurCrank (# 9175) on :
 
Also, note the creator's -undoubtedly a partisan of the Latin mass - response to a particular comment:

"Write in english or shut the fuck up please."

He sounds like a real charming guy - or perfect for SOF's Hell.
 

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Posted by Max. (# 5846) on :
 

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Oh yes, as I recall Anselmina made the suggestion of that soundtrack when the link was first posted.

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I know - I remembered and that's why I made it

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Posted by TheMightyMartyr (# 11162) on :
 
I feel I must tell the world that the Sarum Mass from Candlemas 1997 at Merton College at Oxford is now in its full on Youtube!!!

Sarum Rite Mass on Youtube
 

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Posted by JArthurCrank (# 9175) on :
 
I saw some pieces of that Sarum mass yesterday on Youtube. Very interesting, though I'm sure the ladies wouldn't be permitted to sing Tallis back then. Too bad that this mass was just a one-off.
 

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Posted by Saint Bertelin (# 5638) on :
 
Gospodi pomilui pronounced as "Haaaaspodi pomilwi".
 

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Posted by daisymay (# 1480) on :
 
And there are some Shillong youtube revivals which also have an Australian preacher in Assam!

And there are several other youtube videos on the right - most seem to be up in North Eastern India.
 

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Posted by Martin L (# 11804) on :
 
**Bumping this thread so we can share our collective knowledge of online Easter (and Holy Week and Holy Triduum) liturgies. Perhaps on this solemn feast we can take a loose interpretation to the thread title and share decent audio as well?!**


Trinity Wall Street (choice of video or audio) -- Palm Sunday, Triduum, Easter

Washington National Cathedral (choice of video or audio) -- Palm Sunday, Easter -- see also here

Grace Cathedral San Francisco (audio only) -- Palm Sunday so far

S. Clement's Philadelphia (audio only) -- so far only updated to Passion Sunday, but will most likely post the others ASAP

St. Thomas Toronto (audio only) -- through the Easter Vigil so far, updated regularly, Easter Day most likely posted once the liturgy is actually finished!
 

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Posted by Martin L (# 11804) on :
 
[Roman Catholic] Church of the Holy Family -- (audio only, not archived) -- updated as far as Lent V
 

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Posted by angelicum (# 13515) on :
 
Holy week from the Dominican House of Studies, Washington DC

I'm watching the video of the Veneration of the Cross and I like their distinctive OP style of doing three double genuflections. Very rad-trad.
 

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Posted by The Silent Acolyte (# 1158) on :
 
Pillar of fire, indeed, at the Easter Vigil.
 

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Posted by Treatise (# 4255) on :
 
Here are audio and photos from Our Lady of Lourdes, Philadelphia as well as pictures and some audio from the Easter Vigil at S. Clement's.

http://jdtreat.com/holyweek08.htm
 

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Posted by lukacs (# 11865) on :
 
Easter Mass at Our Lady of Fatima in Florida, which used to be an independent Sedevacantist chapel, but whose current pastor seems to be reconsidering his position on the matter.
 

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Posted by Brian M (# 11865) on :
 
The S. Clement's Corpus Christi 2007 DVD is now available for purchase. I watched it last night and it is very well produced.
 

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Posted by jmoskal (# 5192) on :
 
Ok. Can someone explain the meaning behind this video..especially from the middle to the end of the video. Don't mean to knock anyone but this is a first for me.

Closing Hymn of Palm Sunday on Youtube
 

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Posted by SeraphimSarov (# 4335) on :
 

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Ok. Can someone explain the meaning behind this video..especially from the middle to the end of the video. Don't mean to knock anyone but this is a first for me.

Closing Hymn of Palm Sunday on Youtube

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God no! Not the flags again!!!!
 

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Posted by Og, King of Bashan (# 9562) on :
 

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Ok. Can someone explain the meaning behind this video..especially from the middle to the end of the video. Don't mean to knock anyone but this is a first for me.

Closing Hymn of Palm Sunday on Youtube

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Ok. Can someone explain the meaning behind this video..especially from the middle to the end of the video. Don't mean to knock anyone but this is a first for me.

Closing Hymn of Palm Sunday on Youtube

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I can actually see flags at the start of the service. People are waiving around palms, perhaps a few flags don’t clash that bad- maybe not traditional, but not that there's anything wrong with that. I haven’t seen the entire liturgy, so I will not comment about how well they fit in at the end (even if I could see the entire liturgy, that discussion would probably belong in hell anyway). I do have to say that I got a kick out of the limp-wristed kid with the red flag (and by that, I mean the fact that he is letting his wrist do all the swinging, and I sure wouldn’t want him as my doubles partner), and the person with the very loud very upper-Midwestern American voice who must be standing next to the camera or microphone.

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I suppose ( very reluctantly) that there might be a tenuous link to the flags in the context of a triumphal entry into Jerusalem, but why does the clergyperson have to hail a cab several times during that hymn????
 

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Posted by Brian M (# 11865) on :
 
This one had my daughter and I in stitches. As the old baseball announcers used to say, he's swinging for the fences!
 

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Posted by Frito Bandito (# 9175) on :
 

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This one had my daughter and I in stitches. As the old baseball announcers used to say, he's swinging for the fences!

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What is the opposite of "goldilocks" - where it would be better to be either too hot or too cold? He needed to either be restrained in his censing or go completely all out.
 

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Posted by LQ (# 11596) on :
 
I've always found that gentleman's censing (I don't know his name, but he's frequently been thurifer when I've been there) entrancing to watch, though I'm often a little nervous on the boat girl's behalf.
 

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Posted by highchurc (# 11491) on :
 

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This one had my daughter and I in stitches.

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This one had my daughter and I in stitches.

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You say that the thurifer "had your daughter and ME in sticthes?"

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This one had my daughter and I in stitches. As the old baseball announcers used to say, he's swinging for the fences!

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I'll remember too look at this vid before our Corpus Christi procession. (Maybe I'll throw in a 360)
 

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Posted by PentEcclesiastic (# 12098) on :
 

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This one had my daughter and I in stitches. As the old baseball announcers used to say, he's swinging for the fences!

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highchurc -

your repeated disruption of threads....

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MY repeated disruption of threads, indeed!

This is most surely the pot calling the kettle beige.
 

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Posted by Triple Tiara (# 9556) on :
 


This is not strictly an eccles video, but highchurc's attempt to hump dj's leg put me in mind of this:
 

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Posted by jlg (# 98) on :
 

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highchurc -

your repeated disruption of threads....

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MY repeated disruption of threads, indeed!

This is most surely the pot calling the kettle beige.

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highchurc, if you wish to dispute a host's admonition, please do so in Styx.

Since you continue to ignore and/or sneer at moderation by the the hosts of Ecclesiantics, I am bringing your behavior to the attention of the Admins.

jlg/Ecclesiantics Host
 

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Posted by FCB (# 1495) on :
 
Well, there are many things worth commenting on in this video of the closing liturgy of the California Call to Action (a reform group in the Catholic Church that originated in the late 60s) conference.

All I'll say is: the giant puppets really creep me out.
 

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Posted by Triple Tiara (# 9556) on :
 


All I'll say is it's the sort of thing that would drive me into the arms of the New Liturgical Movement and being an extraordinary form devotee!

Whew! Deeply whacky.
 

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Posted by Martin L (# 11804) on :
 
Aw, c'mon guys, at least tell us that you learned some new dance moves to use while sprinkling the people. Or perhaps you learned when to clap during the Gloria.
 

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Posted by LQ (# 11596) on :
 
I wish dissident groups would have decent liturgies. I remember being at a Dignity Mass and having a crisis of conscience when they started "passing the plate" - of Hosts! I was loathe to handle the species, but I was probably the only one in the room with that problem. In fact, I was probably the only person to hold membership in both Dignity and Una Voce.
 

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Posted by Frito Bandito (# 9175) on :
 

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All I'll say is it's the sort of thing that would drive me into the arms of the New Liturgical Movement and being an extraordinary form devotee!

Whew! Deeply whacky.

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Video here.

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The video is bad,but here's something from last sunday's mass

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The video is bad,but here's something from last sunday's mass

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Just seen this - he censes the oblations the wrong way round i.e. 2 clockwise and 1 anti-clockwise.

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It looked rather sloppy to me.

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How did I know that comment would be coming?
 

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Posted by leo (# 1458) on :
 
'Cause I am an Anglican.
 

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Posted by Max. (# 5846) on :
 

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An ordination of two priests at Our Lady's University.

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Beautiful! Especially the Gloria (one of my favourite settings)


Max
 

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Posted by Martin L (# 11804) on :
 

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An ordination of two priests at Our Lady's University.

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Beautiful! Especially the Gloria (one of my favourite settings)


Max

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He's facing the wrong way around also!

Max

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The ordination service at Sacred Heart Basilica is rather beautiful, and very moving.

At the end, the two newly ordained priests gave the Bishop a blessing - is this usual? I've never seen or heard of it before.

A

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And, most importantly, are these prelates turning in the proper directions?

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how does this old classic look, to an Anglican?

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This is the sort of liturgy Anglicans come up with when they don't want to be in the same church as a gay bishop!

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Delightful! I wish my bishop could dance like that!!!! The Anglican Communion would be much better off if we had more dancing bishops.

Don't Catholic bishops from the Global South dance? If not, I'm sure the Anglican bishops could teach them. It might take their minds off Gene Robinson for a while!

By the way, the prelates are dancing to "We Are Marching in the Light of God!" a classic South African freedom song. Here it is sung in a Croatian Catholic Church.

We celebrate South Africa Freedom day in my parish, and the Zulu priest on our parish staff dances beautifully to it during the procession.

DT
 

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Posted by Treatise (# 4255) on :
 

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Don't Catholic bishops from the Global South dance? If not, I'm sure the Anglican bishops could teach them. It might take their minds off Gene Robinson for a while!

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And, most importantly, are these prelates turning in the proper directions?

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If only they would turn in the direction of love instead of bigoted fundamentalism and homophobia.

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