Ship of Fools: What's Your Nearest Hymn Tune?

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Posted by GordonThePenguin (# 2106) on :

In the Anglo-Saxon world, hymn tunes have their own names, and may be named after any number of different things. However, place names figure highly, so I was wondering how many shipmates can claim to have a "local" tune.

To kick things off, I live around 15KM from Mannheim - the tune to Lead Us, Heavenly Father, Lead Us. I have no idea why it's called Mannheim, since I've never heard it either there or anywhere else in Germany for that matter. Perhaps between us we can drum up some more hymn tune trivia of that sort.

Over to you...

Posted by Stetson (# 9597) on :

Well, Huron Carol is Canadian, and one of my ancestors was on an expedition with the guy who wrote it in the 17th Century.

But I was born and raised in Alberta, far from Quebec. It has a colorful history of religion intersecting with politics, but off the top of my head I can't think of any hymns that either originate in, or reference, stuff in the general area.

Posted by Jengie Jon (# 273) on :

The city I live in has its own tune and here is one for the county but there are a fair few shippies who live in that.

Jengie

Posted by Roseofsharon (# 9657) on :

I live seven and a half miles from Thaxted

Posted by Roseofsharon (# 9657) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
The city I live in has its own tune

??
I only know that as The British Grenadiers

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

Thanks to Japes and others in the cafe we have established that there was a hymn tune called Newport, but it is lost.

It would therefore appear that Cwm Rhondda is nearest at about 30 miles away, which isn't very good for the alleged Land of Song.

Posted by St.Silas the carter (# 12867) on :

I think the closest I live to is Bristol. Possibly 'Frankford' if it counts for 'Frankfort'. Maybe Southwark, but I don't think that counts anymore since that district was suppressed.

Posted by Amorya (# 2652) on :

Of course, Googling to find mine tends to only point to Coventry Carol…

Posted by Stetson (# 9597) on :

Ah, here we go. Apparently, there is a hymn called Lead Kindly Light, with lyrics taken from Cardinal Newman, set to a tune called Alberta, which W.H. Harris wrote while visiting my home province.

Alberta

While the province of Alberta is about 25% Catholic(with a strong French presence at the beginning), and notoriously conservative, it is not generally associated in the public imagination with the kind of culture and religion represented by John Henry Cardinal Newman. There is a theology school named after him, however.

[ 06. May 2012, 23:36: Message edited by: Stetson ]

Posted by Amazing Grace (# 95) on :

We have a tune named after our very own parish in the Hymnal 1982 thanks to our late music director of blessed memory and his then-wife, now-widow (who is an active blessing to us).

I still have stalkers so ask indulgence in not revealing the name.

Posted by Mamacita (# 3659) on :

No surprise, but I find no hymn tunes named after Chicago. And the name of my suburb doesn't come up in either its English or French spelling. There are some nearby towns with hymn-tune names (probably because they seem to be names borrowed from Across the Pond): 9 miles from Northbrook and 5 miles from Niles. I would rather claim the Huron Carol, since Huron, South Dakota, is my birthplace.

Posted by Enoch (# 14322) on :

Several round here. There's more than one called Bristol, though this link is to what I'd imagine is the best known. There's also Abbots Leigh which is a village nearby, though the link isn't to what I'd regard as the usual words, and Thornbury not far away.

Anyone care to write a tune and call it Nempnett Thrubwell, one of the odder place names round here.

Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :

Loving Shepherd of thy Sheep (hymn tune Buckland) was composed by Rev. Hayne, a Creamtealand vicar - the tune was named after his church. Unfortunately we don't seem to hear it much now.

Posted by Baptist Trainfan (# 15128) on :

Although it is more of a Woodbridge tune than an Ipswich one, we have "Deben" by Gordon Hawkins, a former organist of our church. It goes to "Spirit of God within me" but it's not very well-known: a URC speciality I think!

Woodbridge is 10 miles from us; our local river is the Gipping and I'm not aware of a tune by that name!

[ 07. May 2012, 08:28: Message edited by: Baptist Trainfan ]

Posted by Eutychus (# 3081) on :

My last room in college was within sight of Hollingside lane and the eponymous cottage.

Posted by Margaret (# 283) on :

One of my favourite Advent hymns is sung to a tune named after the town where I live.

Posted by Japes (# 5358) on :

The English Hymnal seems to be the best source of tunes for places where I have lived.

429 (Birmingham)
109 (Cheshire)
42 and 448 (Dundee)
322 (Leicester (or Bedford)) - I have lived in one of those places.
297 (London)
69 (Plaistow)

I am aware of a tune called Glasgow as well...

Posted by Jengie Jon (# 273) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Roseofsharon:

quote:
Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
The city I live in has its own tune
??
I only know that as The British Grenadiers

Sheffield

Jengie

Posted by Metapelagius (# 9453) on :

Congregational singing as we know it today stems from the reformed singing of the psalms in a metrical form. The French psalter used such a wide variety of metres that many psalms had their own tune that wouldn't fit anything else. If the tunes were referred to it would be by the number of the psalm, or the opening words - so we have tunes still in use with names like Rendez à Dieu, Mon Dieu prete-moi l'oreille, Ministres de l'éternel and the like. The English psalter was far less metrically diverse, which meant that words and tunes could be often coupled more or less as one wished. It therefore became necessary for the tunes to have distinctive names of their own. Place names seem to have been used in most cases for the tunes in the earliest psalm collections - Day, Este, Ravenscroft and the various Scottish psalters. Winchester, Bristol, Dunfermline, Elgin, London, Dundee, Durham, Lincoln, Wigtown, York ... And so the tradition carried on as Jengie Jon notes re Mather's Sheffield. Others of the same vintage include the various Wainwrights' Liverpool, Manchester, Stockport, or at the other end of the country - in Creamtealand, Crediton or SS Wesley's Bude. More recently Holst's 'big tune' from Jupiter became Thaxted. Little Cornard, Coe Fen, Griffin's Brook, Edgbaston ... the practice continues. On this side of the Atlantic at least I don't think anyone can be more than a few miles "away from the name of a tune".

[ 07. May 2012, 09:42: Message edited by: Metapelagius ]

Posted by churchgeek (# 5557) on :

I've never been a huge fan of the tune, Detroit - it's not bad, until it hits that upward run at the end of the third line. Overall pretty unmemorable. I can't even remember which words are set to it in The Hymnal 1982, nor can I be bothered to go look it up.

It probably isn't named for Detroit, Michigan, since the Motor City is home to so much wonderful music. How could that piece have been inspired there?

A tune called "Detroit" should either be soulful, in a Gospel or Motown vein, or should have about 120 beats per minute in true Techno form. (Try getting your congregation to sing that with an organ accompaniment!)

[eta: Yes, I know the tune predates the automobile not to mention Motown...]

[ 07. May 2012, 09:43: Message edited by: churchgeek ]

Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :

Does a traditional spiritual count? I live "Down By the Riverside".

Posted by Metapelagius (# 9453) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Jengie Jon:

quote:
Originally posted by Roseofsharon:

quote:
Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
The city I live in has its own tune
??
I only know that as The British Grenadiers
Sheffield

Jengie

In that case there are two Sheffields - this one and the one by William Mather which 'goes with' a chunk of Psalm 68 which often comes around on Ascension Day "Thou hast, O Lord, most glorious, ascended up on high ..." Mercifully it stops before the lines "the hairy scalp of him that still on in his trespass goes".
[Help]

Posted by Sandemaniac (# 12829) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Roseofsharon:
I live seven and a half miles from Thaxted

And my family come from a neighbouring village. Sadly, John Ireland's hymn tune "Sampford" seems to have slipped into oblivion.

On the other hand, (and I think I've outed myself enough on the Ship that another clue won't make any difference), I currently live
in Wolvercote. (beware weirdly strobing organ pipes).

AG
(stop moaning, Sioni - Cwm Rhondda gives me goosebumps and I'm from about as far East of Wales as you can get without wetting your feet [Razz]

)

[ 07. May 2012, 09:59: Message edited by: Sandemaniac ]

Posted by Jengie Jon (# 273) on :

Right Another tune called Sheffield and now to make it easier for people, Index of Hymn Tunes, its not complete as it only covers those in the public domain but it is a good start.

The use of secular words to hymn tunes is common, On Ilkely Moor Bah't'at is of course to the hymn tune Cranbrook.

Jengie

Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :

I live very close to the city that's mentioned in the title of "Recife O Lord In Heaven Above" [Big Grin]

Posted by Jengie Jon (# 273) on :

Apologies for double post but this is too good not to post.

Just to demonstrate it can be sung to other words.

Enjoy.

Jengie

Posted by Metapelagius (# 9453) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
Right Another tune called Sheffield and now to make it easier for people, Index of Hymn Tunes, its not complete as it only covers those in the public domain but it is a good start.

The use of secular words to hymn tunes is common, On Ilkely Moor Bah't'at is of course to the hymn tune Cranbrook.

Jengie

Too many Sheffields! Could lead to confusion- like the time the organist was asked to play Salzburg, which he did. Unfortunately he played the Michael Haydn one, not the Hintze which fitted the words to be sung ...

On the other hand secular tunes can be fitted up as hymns - RVW in the English Hymnal used a number of traditional English tunes; a century later the compliers of the Church Hymnary have followed his lead, 'borrowing' the Skye Boat Song, The Banks o' Doon, Eriskay Love Lilt and others.

Posted by Pyx_e (# 57) on :

I'm about 8 miles from Burrington and frequently go past the "cleft" that Rock of Ages sprang from.

AtB Pyx_e

Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :

I'm figuring Paraparaumu (my home town of upbringing) and Humpty Doo (my current postal address - he says, outing himself again) aren't featuring hugely as hymn tunes.

[ 07. May 2012, 11:04: Message edited by: Zappa ]

Posted by venbede (# 16669) on :

I'm a bus ride away from Chiselhurst an alternative tune to "Hail the day that sees him rise" which I've only sung at St Alban's Holborn. It made a nice change.

And Stockport is a lovely Christmas number. I'd far rather sing it than Hark the Herald Angels.

Posted by Jante (# 9163) on :

I live in Cuddesdon at the moment, which is a hymn tune to number of hymns!
cuddesdon [Yipee]

[fixed link]

[ 08. May 2012, 01:48: Message edited by: jedijudy ]

Posted by Roseofsharon (# 9657) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
Sheffield

It is very, very similar to The British Grenadiers, Mather wouldn't get away with that nowadays.

Posted by Galilit (# 16470) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Zappa:
I'm figuring Paraparaumu (my home town of upbringing) and Humpty Doo (my current postal address - he says, outing himself again) aren't featuring hugely as hymn tunes.

Two Shirley Erena Murray hymns come pretty close: RAUMATI for Look Toward Christmas and PAUATAHANUI for a short blessing.

Posted by Avila (# 15541) on :

Leominster

Posted by leo (# 1458) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Enoch:
Several round here. There's more than one called Bristol, though this link is to what I'd imagine is the best known. There's also Abbots Leigh which is a village nearby, though the link isn't to what I'd regard as the usual words

Abbots Leigh is about a mile and a third from my study, where i am sitting typing this.

A previous vicar wrote the tune in its vicarage.

I have helped out there during an interregnum. Good choir for a small church.

The tune was originally an alternative to the German tune for 'Glorious things of thee are spoken.' It also goes to 'Sing we of a blessed mother' and 'Father, Lord of all creation'

Posted by Og, King of Bashan (# 9562) on :

Charles Winfred Douglas, the editor two 20th century Episcopal hymn books, lived in Colorado for some time. And while I seem to remember hearing something about another hymn tune being named for a location near by, he did write a hymn that apparently didn't survive the transition to Hymnal 1982 called "Dexter Street," named for the Dexter Street where I occasionally ride my bicycle to visit the library.

Posted by Trudy Scrumptious (# 5647) on :

That snappy little number "Go to Dark Gethsemane" is apparently set to a tune called "St. John's, Barmouth," which in one sense could be quite close to St. John's, Newfoundland ... but geographically, not at all really.

Posted by Jengie Jon (# 273) on :

Yes but you can get Geographically closer. Annoying thing is my response was "I have sung a hymn to the tune Newfoundland", now I know the tune exists but have no idea which tune it was.

Jengie

Posted by birdie (# 2173) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Thanks to Japes and others in the cafe we have established that there was a hymn tune called Newport, but it is lost.

It would therefore appear that Cwm Rhondda is nearest at about 30 miles away, which isn't very good for the alleged Land of Song.

Cwm Rhondda is probably my nearest at the moment, but I'm moving to Aberystwyth in the summer, so that's me sorted!

Posted by churchgeek (# 5557) on :

quote:
Originally posted by leo:

quote:
Originally posted by Enoch:
Several round here. There's more than one called Bristol, though this link is to what I'd imagine is the best known. There's also Abbots Leigh which is a village nearby, though the link isn't to what I'd regard as the usual words
Abbots Leigh is about a mile and a third from my study, where i am sitting typing this.

A previous vicar wrote the tune in its vicarage.

I have helped out there during an interregnum. Good choir for a small church.

The tune was originally an alternative to the German tune for 'Glorious things of thee are spoken.' It also goes to 'Sing we of a blessed mother' and 'Father, Lord of all creation'

It's a really popular tune for new hymn texts, it seems. I first learned it (in TEC's Hymnal 1982) to "God is love, let heaven adore him..."

Posted by Steve H (# 17102) on :

I live in Hemel Hempstead, and the village and hymn-tune Guiting Power is near Milton Keynes, about 40 miles away. If there's a nearer one, I don't know it. I was brought up, in the 50s and 60s, in Stockport, which is also a tune - that of 'God Rest ye, Jerry Mentalmen', which is alternatively known as 'Yorkshire'.

Posted by Steve H (# 17102) on :

Correction - 'Stockport/Yorkshire' is the tune of 'Christians, Awake, Salute the Happy Morn'.

Posted by Hart (# 4991) on :

Apparently, there's a hymn tune called Elkhart (about 30 minutes away). This text is sung to it which suggests it might sound something like this.

Posted by Aelred of Riveaux (# 12833) on :

Coe Fen is my nearest I think.

Posted by Leaf (# 14169) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mamacita:
... since Huron, South Dakota, is my birthplace.

In that case, how about Lac Qui Parle? [Smile]

Close enough!

Posted by Steve H (# 17102) on :

Correction No. 2 - Guiting Power is in the Cotswolds: I've just checked. There's definitely a hymn-tune village near Milton Keynes, but it must be another one.

Posted by QLib (# 43) on :

Hereford

Posted by Steve H (# 17102) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Steve H:
Correction No. 2 - Guiting Power is in the Cotswolds: I've just checked. There's definitely a hymn-tune village near Milton Keynes, but it must be another one.

It's Bow Brickhill.

Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Galilit:
Two Shirley Erena Murray hymns come pretty close: RAUMATI for Look Toward Christmas and PAUATAHANUI for a short blessing.

Interesting - in reality I was more Raumati than Paraparaumu anyway.

Posted by piglet (# 11803) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
Yes but you can get Geographically closer ...

I wondered if I could get away with that, although it's really known as the Ode to Newfoundland. My first thought was the tune
St. John,* which is about as near as I could get, but may be thought a bit of a cheat by any New Brunswick shippies ... [Big Grin]

Whenever we're travelling through Scotland, we find ourselves breaking into song as we pass certain road signs (especially Glasgow and Kilmarnock). [Smile]

* Click on the word "MIDI" on the line beginning "St. John (Parish)". Sorry about the quality.

[ 08. May 2012, 02:44: Message edited by: piglet ]

Posted by kingsfold (# 1726) on :

I think my nearest has to be Kelvingrove

Though of course, my ship's ID is also a hymn tune, so it could be considered that I'm never away from it...

Posted by Bob Two-Owls (# 9680) on :

I'm within walking distance (or staggering as it has two good pubs on the way) of Denby .

Not familiar with the tune though. A tune encapsulating the spirit of Denby would have more of a purple-faced ranty feel to it.

[ 08. May 2012, 08:38: Message edited by: Bob Two-Owls ]

Posted by IceQueen (# 8170) on :

Abbots Leigh was my last parish before leaving the Bristol area. (Leo - I was in that choir, but not during an interregnum. They must have improved since I left - or were better before I was there? - which is a worrying thought!)

Some one there (I think it was the organist) told me the story of how Cyril Taylor was asked by the congregation to change the tune of the last two bars from D-E-D to F#-E-D because they found it easier to sing. He was, apparently, not amused...

(For Bristolians, there's also Malcolm Archer's Redland, sometimes used for King of Glory, King of Peace.)

As for my current residence, Cyberhymnal gives a tune for Warwick, but I can't say I've ever heard it used.

Posted by leo (# 1458) on :

I think I helped out there about 10 years ago (though it was usually Leigh Woods, the other church in the benefice/parish). They called me 'the singing vicar' - their previous vicar couldn't sing so a tenor used to cant the versicles. But I did - they asked, as i wouldn't want to trample on someone else's job. I also sang all the collects, which was bit 'high church' for them.

Although they chanted the psalms and the canticles, they were able to sing a half-decent anthem each time i went there. That is how i define a good choir' for what is basically a village church, albeit one which has become a commuter base for the city over the bridge.

If there is a tune called 'Redland' than I am even nearer to that than to Abbots Leigh. - I think I should win the prize for being nearest to a hymn tune.

Posted by georgiaboy (# 11294) on :

I can't find a Charleston tune, but there is Charlestown, which is our original spelling (actually it seems to have been Charles Towne).

It comes from Kentucky Harmony (as does churchgeek's Detroit), but it was more likely named for Charlestown Virginia (now West in West Virginia). And Kentucky Harmony tune names are always a bit puzzling; there's also one called The Church's Desolation!

Posted by Beethoven (# 114) on :

quote:
Originally posted by leo:

If there is a tune called 'Redland' than I am even nearer to that than to Abbots Leigh. - I think I should win the prize for being nearest to a hymn tune.

Except that Jante has already posted that she lives in one... [Smile]

As do I.

[ 09. May 2012, 11:39: Message edited by: Beethoven ]

Posted by Aggie (# 4385) on :

I can't think of a hymn tune called Croydon!! [Big Grin]

I think the nearest would be "Chislehurst", which is a very pretty alternative tune for the Ascension Day hymn: "Hail the Day that Sees Him Rise" - you hardly ever hear it, as most church music directors prefer the better known tune of "Llanfair". A great pity IMHO.

Posted by Gussie (# 12271) on :

There may not be a hymn tune called Croyidon, but there does appear to be one called Norwood.

Posted by Aggie (# 4385) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Gussie:
There may not be a hymn tune called Croyidon, but there does appear to be one called Norwood.

Never heard of that tune before.

Maybe our church in Norwood could adopt it - although it is a bit dreary methinks.

Posted by Morlader (# 16040) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Aggie:
I can't think of a hymn tune called Croydon!!

I think the nearest would be "Chislehurst", which is a very pretty alternative tune for the Ascension Day hymn: "Hail the Day that Sees Him Rise" - you hardly ever hear it, as most church music directors prefer the better known tune of "Llanfair". A great pity IMHO.

There is also a hymn tune called "Bromley". Sorry, can't find the reference right now.

Posted by cheesymarzipan (# 9442) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Enoch:
Several round here. There's more than one called Bristol, though this link is to what I'd imagine is the best known. There's also Abbots Leigh which is a village nearby, though the link isn't to what I'd regard as the usual words, and Thornbury not far away.

Anyone care to write a tune and call it Nempnett Thrubwell, one of the odder place names round here.

The Wurzels have a song about Nempnett Thrubwell. I can't find a link for it's tune, but the lyrics are here.

There's no hymn tunes named after my city, so I'll claim St Finbarr as I live just along the road from his cathedral.

Posted by Fr Weber (# 13472) on :

I'm currently just down the street from St Mark's, Berkeley.

Posted by mark_in_manchester (# 15978) on :

I live in -Manchester- (don't know that one) close enough to -Stockport- (nice tune). About the latter, my Companion to Hymns and Psalms notes 'Yorkshire, though frequently used, is quite unsuitable'. Quite right. [Big Grin]

But underneath the entry for -Stockport-, is the place where I really live.

Yes, folks, I live on -Stoner Hill-.

Posted by Berwickshire (# 15761) on :

Since today commemorate Victory in the Great Patriotic War, it is as good a time as any to mention the “local” hymn tune.

Real “belter”: “Moscow” (Móscha) probably most commonly used for “Thou whose almighty word”. North Americans (for some reason) generally prefer to call it “The Italian Hymn”.

Local also therefore to the UK’s “Moscow”, a tiny village on the west of Scotland tourist trail, so day trippers on the A77 back to Glasgow can pass by “Kilmarnock” (“O God of Bethel by whose aid”) as they go.

Posted by Gay Organ Grinder (# 11833) on :

'Newcastle', 544 in the old Methodist Hymn Book with the words
'Eternal light, eternal light, how pur the soul can be' is the only tune I can think of around this area.

Posted by Balaam (# 4543) on :

Huddersfield.

Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :

I guess "Langley" would be mine.

Posted by Avila (# 15541) on :

quote:
Originally posted by birdie:

quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Thanks to Japes and others in the cafe we have established that there was a hymn tune called Newport, but it is lost.

It would therefore appear that Cwm Rhondda is nearest at about 30 miles away, which isn't very good for the alleged Land of Song.
Cwm Rhondda is probably my nearest at the moment, but I'm moving to Aberystwyth in the summer, so that's me sorted!

Sioni - closer to Newport is apparentlyCaerleon (spotted on the Cuddesdon link above, but no other google evidence so far)

Posted by Mamacita (# 3659) on :

quote:
Posted by me, earlier:
No surprise, but I find no hymn tunes named after Chicago. And the name of my suburb doesn't come up in either its English or French spelling.

Jackpot! I had to leave the Anglican world to do it, but I found a hymn tune Chicago by the venerable Ira Sankey (makes sense -- Moody and Sankey's home base was Chicago for many years) with words "Onward, Upward" by Fanny Crosby. Still nothing named for my little burb, but Evanston is only a mile away. The words are "Father of Jesus Christ, My Lord" by Charles Wesley.

Posted by Arethosemyfeet (# 17047) on :

I can see a couple from my window (well, I can usually, not today), The Isle of Mull and various things from Iona.

[Fixed your link. Here is a good place to practice!]

[ 11. May 2012, 02:59: Message edited by: jedijudy ]

Posted by Qoheleth. (# 9265) on :

Water End set to Glad that I live am I or more surprisingly as here. Also to Christopher Idle's Glory and Praise to God.

Posted by piglet (# 11803) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Aggie:
I can't think of a hymn tune called Croydon!!

There's one called Surrey - will that do?

Posted by Anselmina (# 3032) on :

quote:
Originally posted by QLib:
Hereford

Ah, I spent seven very happy years in Hereford. The city, that is, not the hymn tune.

Near, Leominster, of course, which is another nice tune.

Posted by Fidei Defensor (# 17105) on :

Mt Samson gazes down on the front of our house, while across the paddock Lake Samson Vale sparkles in the starlight.

Posted by Jengie Jon (# 273) on :

quote:
Originally posted by piglet:

quote:
Originally posted by Aggie:
I can't think of a hymn tune called Croydon!!
There's one called Surrey - will that do?

There was a tune called Croydon. You will need to scroll down to find the reference.

Jengie

Posted by Morlader (# 16040) on :

Nearest to us is "Sennen Cove" by W H Harris. It's set to "How bright these glorious spirits shine!" 306 in AMNS. Sennen Cove is about 4 miles from us.

Posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe (# 5521) on :

I was surprised to learn there is a tune called Phoenix. Also, for another geographical feature of Arizona, Lake Mead. And, of course, Arizona itself.

[ 11. May 2012, 20:58: Message edited by: Amanda B. Reckondwythe ]

Posted by Fidei Defensor (# 17105) on :

Good job there are no tunes called Duluth or Mississauga or Tipton, think how embarrassing it would be to admit that you lived there.

Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :

I'd sing it if it were Hibbing

Posted by Fidei Defensor (# 17105) on :

The next hymn is sung to Hibbing 12 12 15 13 13

I need a shot of love, I need a shot of love .....

Posted by Rosa Winkel (# 11424) on :

Gwalchmai, used for "King of glory, king of peace".

Posted by Metapelagius (# 9453) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Rosa Winkel:
Gwalchmai, used for "King of glory, king of peace".

No doubt, but Gwalchmai (literally 'hawk of May') isn't a place - it is a personal name. The Welsh equivalent in the Arthurian Romances for the French Gauvain or the English Gawain.

quote:
Botticelli isn't a wine, you Juggins! Botticelli's a cheese!
-Punch, 1894

Posted by Rosa Winkel (# 11424) on :

It most certainly is a town (Gwalchmai, Ynys Mon), on the A5 on Ynys Mon. Been through there many times.

Unless you mean the song wasn't named after the place.

Posted by Steve H (# 17102) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Qoheleth.:
Water End set to Glad that I live am I or more surprisingly as here. Also to Christopher Idle's Glory and Praise to God.

There's a Water End only about three miles from me, just outside Hemel Hempstead. I don't know if it's the same one - there's at least one other Water End, and I suspect it's quite a common place-name - but if so, it beats Bow Brickhill hands down, which is fine by me, because BB is dreary and tuneless.

Posted by Metapelagius (# 9453) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Rosa Winkel:
It most certainly is a town (Gwalchmai, Ynys Mon), on the A5 on Ynys Mon. Been through there many times.

Unless you mean the song wasn't named after the place.

Oops sorrry - yes it is a place. But it is also a definitely a personal name, attested as early as c. 1200, though on reflection I recall that it is thought more likely to mean 'hawk of the plain' rather than 'hawk of May'.

The hymn tune was written by Joseph David Jones who was born in Bryncrygog in Montgomeryshire, worked for some time in Tywyn in Meirionydd, and died in Ruthin (Denbigh). That is not to say that he wouldn't have called the tune he wrote after a place in Anglesey. On the other hand he wrote a cantata entitled 'Llys Arthur*' which suggests an interest in Arthurian legends.

Could be the place, could be the legendary character.

*'Arthur's court' - before I get slapped down for a phrase not glossed into English ...

Posted by Horseman Bree (# 5290) on :

Canada being both larger and less populated than the British Isles, it is a bit more difficult to be "close" to somewhere, but a quick runthrough of "Common Praise" (ACC) tells me that Woodworth and Riverside are both tunes that name places in my school district, within about 25 minute drive from me.

Halifax and it's suburb Rockingham are about three hours away, as is St. Stephen (in the other direction). St. Louis is about an hour north, but most of the more unusual Saints' names now refer to once-populated areas that now are not even on the map.

Jerusalem has the distinction of having been shelled out of existence by the Canadian Army (it was once in the middle of what is now Base Gagetown)

And, minor pedantic note for Piglet, the city in NB is known as Saint John. The abbreviated version is only used on The Rock or in Quebec. Remember this to save embarrassment if you ever visit!

[ 13. May 2012, 20:38: Message edited by: Horseman Bree ]

Posted by Aggie (# 4385) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Jengie Jon:

quote:
Originally posted by piglet:

quote:
Originally posted by Aggie:
I can't think of a hymn tune called Croydon!!
There's one called Surrey - will that do?
There was a tune called Croydon. You will need to scroll down to find the reference.

Jengie

Is there a tune called "Addington"? I would be very surprised if there isn't what with Addington being the home of the Royal School of Church Music.

Posted by Balaam (# 4543) on :

A quick google tells me that "Addington" was written by Cyril V Taylor and has the meter 5.5.5.4 D

That should be enough information to find it.

Posted by Cottontail (# 12234) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Fidei Defensor:
Good job there are no tunes called Duluth or Mississauga or Tipton, think how embarrassing it would be to admit that you lived there.

There is a tune called Duluth - it's just not a hymn. Maybe you could set religious words to it. [Biased]

Posted by Graven Image (# 8755) on :

"St Helena," by Calvin Hampton seems to fit, as I can look out my window and see Mt. Saint Helena. On a side note Hampton and I were born the same year.

Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Fidei Defensor:
The next hymn is sung to Hibbing 12 12 15 13 13

I need a shot of love, I need a shot of love .....

(soory I was a bit slow to see that)

Posted by iamchristianhearmeroar (# 15483) on :

There is apparently not one, but two hymn tunes called Bromley: one by Jeremiah Clarke and the other by "Haydn", but possibly not THE Haydn, I don't know. I had never heard of either of these before.

If only there were a hymn tune called Penge. But there isn't...

Posted by Morlader (# 16040) on :

quote:
Originally posted by iamchristianhearmeroar:
There is apparently not one, but two hymn tunes called Bromley: one by Jeremiah Clarke and the other by "Haydn", but possibly not THE Haydn, I don't know. I had never heard of either of these before.

If only there were a hymn tune called Penge. But there isn't...

/tangent
Which reminds me:
A now-in-glory chorister friend of mine used to refer to "Ponge les deux eglises". But this was when de Gaul was ruling France.
/tangent off

Posted by SFG (# 17081) on :

What a lovely thread!

I have wondered where some of those places are, it also makes me wonder what the most remote hymn tune place. We'll have to Wait for a remote shipmate to tell us!

Port. Stanley, perhaps.

Posted by Mudfrog (# 8116) on :

There is a tune 'Newcastle' Go HERE and scroll down to MF223. It's brass band recorded in 1933

[ 18. May 2012, 19:59: Message edited by: Mudfrog ]

Posted by SFG (# 17081) on :

I guess there is a place called SHRUB END but it also sounds quite homely and where I may like to live.

Almost Tolkein-ish.

Posted by iamchristianhearmeroar (# 15483) on :

quote:
/tangent
Which reminds me:
A now-in-glory chorister friend of mine used to refer to "Ponge les deux eglises". But this was when de Gaul was ruling France.
/tangent off

Ah, Ponge-sur-mer, how we dream of thee.

Also, Morlader, don't ask me to explain why, but your chosen photo of the Gorgon always makes my wife and me laugh. (Just sayin')

Posted by FooloftheShip (# 15579) on :

quote:
Originally posted by SFG:
I guess there is a place called SHRUB END but it also sounds quite homely and where I may like to live.

Almost Tolkein-ish.

Shrub End is a suburb of Colchester. Or, as I rather think of it, a pimple on a pimple....

Posted by piglet (# 11803) on :

quote:
Originally posted by FooloftheShip:
... a suburb of Colchester. Or, as I rather think of it, a pimple on a pimple....

AHEM.

My Better Half comes from Colchester - I think it's really quite nice.

Honestly, Norwich supporters ... [Roll Eyes]

Posted by Kasra (# 10631) on :

There's a tune called Lincoln, though one assumes not named after the Lincoln I live in. Never heard of the various things it's set to... but then it's not a tune belonging to the Plot.

Kx

Posted by venbede (# 16669) on :

Colchester has claims to be an older city than London. I believe the Romans considered making it the capital of the province before they built up Londinium.

I'm sure I've heard that it might just possibly be a city founded by the Britons/Celts or whatever you call the folk here before the Romans. They didn't do cities reallly, but Colchester is a possibility.

Posted by Ger (# 3113) on :

Chorister posted on 7 May 2012

quote:
Loving Shepherd of thy Sheep (hymn tune Buckland) was composed by Rev. Hayne, a Creamtealand vicar - the tune was named after his church. Unfortunately we don't seem to hear it much now.

I think Chorister has in mind St Andrew's Church, Buckland Monachorum, near Yelverton, near Plymouth.

The material that follows is based on my recollection of parish history garnered during the 1960s and a little mild research since then.

From about 1860 (and perhaps earlier) for the best part of half a century the Vicar of Buckland Monachorum was one Richard Hayne. Round about the start of his incumbency an organ designed by Leighton George Hayne was installed. This may have been the second organ to have been installed in the church. I recall some parish records indicating there had been a "West Gallery band" to be replaced by an organ in the 1840s. Leighton George and Richard were brothers.

Leighton George (1836-1883)trained as an organist and proceeded to Mus. Doc. in 1860. He was subsequently ordained. He was Vicar of Helston, Cornwell (1867), succentor of Eton (1867-1871) and then succeeded his father as Rector of Mistley. Leighton George Hayne composed the hymn tune Buckland and it was published in The Merton Tune Book of 1863. The tune was not named after Buckland Monachorum, Devon but rather after Buckland, Oxfordshire.

I seem to recall that during the 1960s the Hayne designed organ at Buckland Monachorum was overhauled. The open wood pedal rank was of rather odd dimensions and large scale. I remember hearing them being described as "Hayne's Tubs."

Under the umbrella of music, I recall that the village pub was set into a corner of the church graveyard. Choir, soloists, orchestra and audience often sought refreshment in the pub resulting in a certain joie de vivre. Concerts in St Andrew's could be quite exciting after half time!

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