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Unreformed
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It has been over 100 degrees here in central Virginia for the past week, non-stop, and to paraphrase Hank Hill on this topic if it gets any hotter I'm going to kick your ass.
Selfish halfwits...
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Sioni Sais
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It has been over 100 degrees here in central Virginia for the past week, non-stop, and to paraphrase Hank Hill on this topic It's monsson in India and, AFAIK, they have no rain. if it gets any hotter I'm going to kick your ass.
Selfish halfwits...
It's been pissing down all summer in Britain, and most of Europe. Maybe we should talk?
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What's it supposed to do in Britain in the summer? I don't know much about the climate there, except you get really mild winters considering how far north you are.
We're also getting horrible, extremely severe and long thunderstorms every few days in between the heat.
Now, it's supposed to hot this time of year where I live, and we're supposed to get thunderstorms in the evening, but it's like someone took normal southern summer and cranked it all the way up. This is the worst June and July in anyone's living memory here weather-wise.
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What's it supposed to do in Britain in the summer?
Not be THIS wet! Wettest June on record, wettest quarter on record, but also one of the driest winters on record. That is certainly a "change" from the usual "climate". Hmmm...
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orfeo
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Oh dear. One summer does NOT a climate make. The most basic fallacy in the book.
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Oh I know. But that's frequency, not pointing to one particular event and saying "SEE?! THAT'S CLIMATE CHANGE!"
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The disappearing of the Artic Summer ice is a bit harder to ignore. I just saw a preview of a documentary from someone who has been filming glaciers over the last decade in Alaska, Greenland and Norway. The most impressive shot is a video which shows a portion of a glacier calve off. Then it is explained that it was about a third the size of Manhattan Island and taller then the skyscrapers.
The ice is going away almost everywhere in the Artic. Every year there is less.
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It's pretty well established that the very wet UK weather this year is a result of an unusually southerly positioning of the jet stream. How long this will continue, e.g. long enough to bugger up the Olympic Games, is anyone's guess.
Whether the atmospheric influences associated with climate change may be having some influence on jet stream positioning is an aspect of the debate I haven't yet seen aired. It does seem to me that we've had rather more turbulent weather in Europe in recent years.
So far as the UK is concerned, I'm still quite strongly influenced by this observation made well over 50 years ago by my excellent geography teacher.
"The climate inthe UK is normally described as Cool Temperate Western Margins. Of Europe that is of course. Basically, I interpret this to mean that we don't really have a very settled climate. We just have weather".
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Oh I know. But that's frequency, not pointing to one particular event and saying "SEE?! THAT'S CLIMATE CHANGE!"
Tell that to the poor polar bears.
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There can be no doubt that climate patterns are continually changing. There was a very warm period around 1000 - 1300 AD, when many alpine passes now snowed in for 8 or 9 months of the year were usually open. There is much other evidence of change since then. The period from 1500 - 1800 was generally colder all around the world, but overall there has been warming since.
What the argument is all about is the extent to which human activity has altered what would otherwise have been the natural changes. The predominant scientific theory is that our increased energy use has accelerated the rate of increase in temperatures in the last 50 or so years, and probably taken the extent of the change beyond the natural range. There is a minority opinion that these matters have been affected by human activity, but not to the extent that the predominant theory asserts. Then there is a very small group which casts scorn on both of these. In OZ, that view seems to be most commonly expressed by radio shock jocks rather than those with mere scientific training, whose argument has been given greater mileage from a very confused government position. We now had the delight of a tax on carbon production by those said to be the greatest contributors of carbon; somehow, this increased cost is supposed not generally to be passed on to consumers. Where it is to be passed on by gas and electricity suppliers, there is to be some form of tax relief elsewhere to some consumers - alas, not to the D household. All this from a governing party which went to the last election with a promise that there would be no carbon tax!
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One thing I know - I'm getting rid of the lawn. It's two feet high and still no sign of a dry day to cut it.
Gravel and pots here we come.
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Originally posted by Gee D:
What the argument is all about is the extent to which human activity has altered what would otherwise have been the natural changes.
Whenever I hear this I want to strangle somebody. With their own intestines, having been recently removed by a rusty spoon.
Stated in the manner quoted, it sounds like a discussion about how to apportion blame. Honestly, who gives a fuck. The question is what can human activity do to positively affect the global warming that is very obviously underway. Because, when you find yourself on a bus with brakes that appear to be failing, you let off the fucking gas pedal.
Did the brakes fail "naturally"? Seriously, is there a more idiotic question possible.
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Oh, and all you fucktards complaining about weather: eat shit and die.
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Oh, and all you fucktards complaining about weather: eat shit and die.
You need this thread for that dear.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Oh I know. But that's frequency, not pointing to one particular event and saying "SEE?! THAT'S CLIMATE CHANGE!"
Tell that to the poor polar bears.
Why? What kind of weather are they having this week?
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by RooK:
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Originally posted by Gee D:
What the argument is all about is the extent to which human activity has altered what would otherwise have been the natural changes.
Whenever I hear this I want to strangle somebody. With their own intestines, having been recently removed by a rusty spoon.
Stated in the manner quoted, it sounds like a discussion about how to apportion blame. Honestly, who gives a fuck. The question is what can human activity do to positively affect the global warming that is very obviously underway. Because, when you find yourself on a bus with brakes that appear to be failing, you let off the fucking gas pedal.
Did the brakes fail "naturally"? Seriously, is there a more idiotic question possible.
No, but there are many more stupid responses. Whether finger pointing is worse than burying ones head in the sand I don't know, but wilfully ignoring evidence beats them hollow.
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What strikes me as stupid is the Canute response - shore up this bit of cliff,make these river banks higher.
What would be more helpful - istm - is to be saying to people in area A, your climatic system seems to be turning into something similar to the one already existing over here in area B. This is how area B builds its houses, organises its transport, and manages its agriculture in order to function in with such climatic conditions - lets see which of these methods you can best adopt.
And we should have an active flood migration program where we try *now* to start the process of resettling communities that will be under water in 50 years time. Nobody seems to be thinking seriously about what to do about towns on the Norfolk coast for example.
We may just need to accept that we are heading out of a period with polar ice caps - earth hasn't had them at all time through its history - and the resulting evolutionary pressure may mean we lose some species. It may also mean we get some new ones - or old ones start to adapt their behaviour radically. Or they start to be less choosy about mates.
On a related point, why do New Orleans and San Frisco always get rebuilt in exactly the same place ?
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The thing with denial is that it is as powerful, if not more powerful, than faith .
Whether it's denying that the things are in fact any different than those rose-tinted days of our childhood .
Or if they are, then denying it's anything to do with the meek and mild meddling of us poor little wotsits made in the image of God.
It really does not matter one jot if we're in faith or denial, or whether this has/hasn't caused that .
The law of of life on planet Earth is that it either adapts or it dies .
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Originally posted by Palimpsest:
The ice is going away almost everywhere in the Artic. Every year there is less.
The ice levels in the Bering Sea are extremely high.
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Originally posted by RooK:
Because, when you find yourself on a bus with brakes that appear to be failing, you let off the fucking gas pedal.
Do buses have Jake brakes?
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Seriously, is there a more idiotic question possible.
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Sioni Sais
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The ice is going away almost everywhere in the Artic. Every year there is less.
The ice levels in the Bering Sea are extremely high.
Moo
Those ice levels were caused by unusual weather (11-14F colder than the norm), consequently the extent of sea ice is high, but it is the highest since just 2003, and it's hardly as if a medium/long-term trend, like that from 1979, has been reversed.
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Go sit by the side of the M25 (or any other busy motorway, freeway, interstate) and describe to me what is going to get those fat, lazy, buggers out of their cars*?
We're fecked.
Atb, Pyx_e
*cars being the a single parable of selfish, consumerist, destruction. There are others YMMV.
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Nobody seems to be thinking seriously about what to do about towns on the Norfolk coast for example.
They'll be fine, with their already-webbed fingers and toes...
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Nobody seems to be thinking seriously about what to do about towns on the Norfolk coast for example.
They'll be fine, with their already-webbed fingers and toes...
On a BBC Schools programme some years ago, it was stated that the government intends to leave Yorkshire and East Anglia largely undefendend, in the hope that silt from the erosion will build up and save both London and Rotterdam from inundation, though (presumably) neither of them will be able to operate as ports.
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rolyn
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Want the ultimate hellish conspiracy theory ?
All the major powers get together to cook up a nuclear war . Thereby reducing the population while at the same time creating a nuclear winter to cool the planet down .
Desperate situations call for desperate measures.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by QLib:
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
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Originally posted by Think˛:
Nobody seems to be thinking seriously about what to do about towns on the Norfolk coast for example.
They'll be fine, with their already-webbed fingers and toes...
On a BBC Schools programme some years ago, it was stated that the government intends to leave Yorkshire and East Anglia largely undefendend, in the hope that silt from the erosion will build up and save both London and Rotterdam from inundation, though (presumably) neither of them will be able to operate as ports.
<purgatorial tangent by Sioni, living uphill from a flood-prone city>
Both London and Rotterdam already have extensive (and expensive) barrages on their rivers, and if there is a repeat of the 1953 North sea floods there is every chance these will make things worse, except that is in those areas directly protected. As an example to the contrary, York, which is above mean sea level, is allowed to flood instead of Goole which lies downstream, because Goole lies below MSL and if Goole floods, it's fucked.
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Want the ultimate hellish conspiracy theory ?
All the major powers get together to cook up a nuclear war . Thereby reducing the population while at the same time creating a nuclear winter to cool the planet down .
Desperate situations call for desperate measures.
That would be utterly fucking stupid, as a nuclear winter would probably destroy human civilization, assuming there was any of it left after the bombing.
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Nobody seems to be thinking seriously about what to do about towns on the Norfolk coast for example.
We're about 10 miles inland from the North Norfolk coast (20 from the East Norfolk Coast) - and about 100 feet asl. These figures seem likely to change. Maybe the little market town where I live had better get prepared for seaside resort status ...
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by QLib:
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Originally posted by rolyn:
Want the ultimate hellish conspiracy theory ?
All the major powers get together to cook up a nuclear war . Thereby reducing the population while at the same time creating a nuclear winter to cool the planet down .
Desperate situations call for desperate measures.
That would be utterly fucking stupid, as a nuclear winter would probably destroy human civilization, assuming there was any of it left after the bombing.
Fair enough, we can all trust the major powers not to do something utterly fucking stupid.
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Originally posted by QLib:
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Originally posted by rolyn:
Want the ultimate hellish conspiracy theory ?
All the major powers get together to cook up a nuclear war . Thereby reducing the population while at the same time creating a nuclear winter to cool the planet down .
Desperate situations call for desperate measures.
That would be utterly fucking stupid, as a nuclear winter would probably destroy human civilization, assuming there was any of it left after the bombing.
Fair enough, we can all trust the major powers not to do something utterly fucking stupid.
Ha, ha. Of course they're capable of doing something utterly fucking stupid, but as cock-up, not as conspiracy.
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Sioni Sais
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Fair enough, we can all trust the major powers not to do something utterly fucking stupid.
Ha, ha. Of course they're capable of doing something utterly fucking stupid, but as cock-up, not as conspiracy.
At the beginning of Gulf II the British government published the 'sexed-up dossier' to back its action in support of the USA. As a whole that campaign was a cock-up, but it had its origin in a conspiracy and once the wagon was rolling there was no stopping it.
All that's needed is an out-of-proportion incident involving a hardcase regime like that of Syria.
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I'm afraid that's just routine stupid in my book. Routine stupidity of that sort is far more likely to lead to nuclear war than a deliberate decision to create a nuclear winter to cool the planet down.
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The relative height of settlements along oceanic coasts is just one consideration. I think a telling one will be the exposure to a considerable increase in storm energy.
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Oh dear. One summer does NOT a climate make. The most basic fallacy in the book.
Thank you. I was ranting to my wife just the other day about how global warming HAD to be true because Atlanta is just broiling and it's only July and she calmly informed me that she could remember a few dreadfully hot and steamy summers in Georgia when she was a teenager. I still don't know what to believe about climate change. Obviously, climates change and fluctuate but is it a result of humankind or just the natural processes of this planet?
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I definitely believe that climate change is real and that humankind is making it far worse than it might be other wise.
But... let's just suppose for a minute that it's something Al Gore dreamt up after he finished inventing the internet. All of the mandates and suggestions to help the situation -- reducing use of energy; reducing-reusing-recycling; conserving water; keeping the air clean; preserving forests; etc. -- are sensible steps to improve our life on this planet whether or not it's warming up, and whether or not it's the fault of humans.
Why are the climate change deniers so determined to trash the planet just because they don't believe in something that just about anyone with any scientific background has been saying? Do they like breathing polluted air and drinking polluted water? Do they want their children and grandchildren to live in a filthy, polluted world with no forests, no deserts, no natural beauty? I just don't get it.
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Why are the climate change deniers so determined to trash the planet just because they don't believe in something that just about anyone with any scientific background has been saying? Do they like breathing polluted air and drinking polluted water? Do they want their children and grandchildren to live in a filthy, polluted world with no forests, no deserts, no natural beauty? I just don't get it.
As explained to me by a Christian whose logic I vehemently disagree with: "God gave us this planet to do with as we please regardless of how much of nature is destroyed or what species of animals become extinct. It's here for our pleasure and to the materials are to be utilized to make our lives easier" I explained to him that we are stewards of this planet and God isn't going to be very pleased with what we've done with the place.
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Obviously, climates change and fluctuate but is it a result of humankind or just the natural processes of this planet?
BOTH. Ice Ages start due to small changes in the Earth's orbit. What we are doing by emitting additional CO2 is causing the sort of global CO2 rise that was a major factor in ending the last Ice Age (and the ones in the million years before that). First comes the CO2 rise then the global temperatures rise....
Except of course we aren't in an Ice Age. And the increased CO2 and the temperature rises is happening a lot quicker than the rises of CO2 that preceded the end of the last Ice Age.
The epidemic of stupid in Australia about the "carbon tax" is extraordinary. ("Carbon tax" is a deliberate political misnomer - it's a price on carbon of A$23/tonne emitted by and paid by the biggest emitters of the stuff). Does it take too much intelligence to stay "stop doing something which has been proven to cause temperature rises in the past...or else"?
In OZ the answer is Yes - thanks to the unscientific rantings of the likes of "shock jocks" Andrew Bolt and Alan Jones and the malign conjunction of a lack of public understanding of the science involved and self-interested lobbying to do nothing by the big emitters. So next election we will get Abbott et al, a repeal of the price on carbon and no coherent policy on climate change at all.
I hate the whole "stuff the planet" argument of climate change deniers.
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Obviously, climates change and fluctuate but is it a result of humankind or just the natural processes of this planet?
Oh, look: it's the stupidest fucking question possible. AGAIN.
Just crawl away and die without breeding, you useless ignorant piece of shit.
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
I definitely believe that climate change is real and that humankind is making it far worse than it might be other wise.
But... let's just suppose for a minute that it's something Al Gore dreamt up after he finished inventing the internet. All of the mandates and suggestions to help the situation -- reducing use of energy; reducing-reusing-recycling; conserving water; keeping the air clean; preserving forests; etc. -- are sensible steps to improve our life on this planet whether or not it's warming up, and whether or not it's the fault of humans.
Why are the climate change deniers so determined to trash the planet just because they don't believe in something that just about anyone with any scientific background has been saying? Do they like breathing polluted air and drinking polluted water? Do they want their children and grandchildren to live in a filthy, polluted world with no forests, no deserts, no natural beauty? I just don't get it.
Yeah, I never understand it either. As far as I'm concerned the most obvious argument to change our behaviour is waste management. We stopped letting people chuck their solid waste anywhere they like. Eventually we stopped letting people chuck nasty liquid waste as well. It's about time we did something about the gaseous waste that gets belched out with impunity.
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Sioni Sais
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<snip> It's about time we did something about the gaseous waste that gets belched out with impunity.
It's started. The 1952 London smog killed arond 4,000 people and that led to the Clean Air Act which eventually removed the worst effects of the smoke from coal fires. The climate change deniers will do fuck-all until a clear causal link is shown and, possibly through legal action, their profits take a hit. Why else would anyone deny climate change?
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The ice is going away almost everywhere in the Artic. Every year there is less.
The ice levels in the Bering Sea are extremely high.
Moo
Those ice levels were caused by unusual weather (11-14F colder than the norm), consequently the extent of sea ice is high, but it is the highest since just 2003, and it's hardly as if a medium/long-term trend, like that from 1979, has been reversed.
the thing worth noting about the Bering and Chukchi seas is that the ice is locking in the land later and later in the season. normally, the ice has locked in by the time the really shitty winter storms beat the hell out of the place. this keeps the surf from eroding the land too far. no so much anymore. there's been so much damage from winter storm erosion that the US government (that's our tax money, fellow 'mericans) is paying millions upon millions to move entire villages.
this is happening right now, folks.
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comet
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further to my post above - yeah, we had a cold winter. lots of snow in these parts, too. but you'd only think it was some special thing if you'd only been here the last 20 years. when I was little, all our winters were more like this last one. only still, a lot colder. we used to have week-long periods of -40 or colder here. I rarely see -40 anymore - maybe once every three years or so?
to my mind, we've actually had a really long mild streak. and I'm not THAT old, ahem.
something I've also noticed - the last ten years we've always had at least a few times per winter where it warmed up enough to rain. this was unheard of in the 70's and even most of the 80's.
short term trends, but trends just the same. so one winter where it got good and cold and we got a decent snowfall isn't exactly proving wrong a trend that goes a lot longer than that.
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Sioni Sais
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I had to check when that Russian tanker had to get the fuel through to Nome and it was early December, which shows how early the winter set in.
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Originally posted by Think˛:
Nobody seems to be thinking seriously about what to do about towns on the Norfolk coast for example.
I thought the plan was to treat it as an opportunity and not mention anything to them.
Or did you miss that meeting?
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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
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Originally posted by Think˛:
Nobody seems to be thinking seriously about what to do about towns on the Norfolk coast for example.
I thought the plan was to treat it as an opportunity and not mention anything to them.
Or did you miss that meeting?
and let's face it most Norfolk folk are ahead of the curve with the webbed fingers thing anyway.
AtB Pyx_e
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Pyx_e:
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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
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Originally posted by Think˛:
Nobody seems to be thinking seriously about what to do about towns on the Norfolk coast for example.
I thought the plan was to treat it as an opportunity and not mention anything to them.
Or did you miss that meeting?
and let's face it most Norfolk folk are ahead of the curve with the webbed fingers thing anyway.
AtB Pyx_e
The Nawfuckians are OK, but them Lunnoners what 'ave moved in won't stand a chance. Why, they might get mud on the tyres of their Chelsea tractors.
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
I had to check when that Russian tanker had to get the fuel through to Nome and it was early December, which shows how early the winter set in.
you think december is early?
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rolyn
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Originally posted by Duo Seraphim:
I hate the whole "stuff the planet" argument of climate change deniers.
I do too . But it's what most of us wrap ourselves in when we see roads packed with vehicles, skies packed with air-planes , etc. etc.
Or you can use the planet's stuffed anyway philosophy . Ponder the influence of natural forces, (eg. Super-volcanoes and Asteroid impacts), that are capable of bringing about sudden catastrophic events making human activity insignificant by comparison.
Not that the planet will be stuffed anyway , just that particular species that concerns us.
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Originally posted by Paddy O'Furniture
... she calmly informed me that she could remember a few dreadfully hot and steamy summers in Georgia when she was a teenager
Are you sure it just wasn't a sly comment on your lack lustre sex life in comparison to the glories of youth?
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