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South Coast Kevin
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I thought it would be interesting to talk about some of our favourite theologians and what ideas of theirs we particularly like. Open theism came up in the Purgatory thread about Passover so I thought I'd mention Greg Boyd, one of the main proponents of open theism these days.
Boyd has written all sorts of fascinating stuff, I think. Open theism, the idea that God sees all possibilities in the future but not what will actually happen (unless He's set it Himself), is one topic but Boyd has also helped get the Christus Victor view of the atonement back on the agenda, and has majored on the overlap between faith in Christ and patriotism. See his Wikipedia entry for details of the sermon series he gave and the book he wrote about the 'myth of a Christian nation'. (See this New York Times article for more.)
Over to you, if anyone wants to join in... ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Thanks for this.
I am very sympathetic to Process theology and will follow this up.
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Originally posted by South Coast Kevin:
Boyd has written all sorts of fascinating stuff, I think.
I agree. I think a lot of people find open theism to be a really helpful way of thinking about God. I find what Boyd has to say about the atonement really interesting... right up until the question of how "it works" which I think Boyd struggles to elucidate clearly. ie how exactly is the devil defeated and what exactly does/did Christ do to achieve this?
My own favourite writers would be:
* E.P. Sanders for his work on Judaism and Paul. He corrected major misunderstandings of Judaism that were standard among Protestants and began a revolution in the interpretation of Paul's writings.
* Hastings Rashdall for his work on the atonement. He shows the Moral Influence model of the atonement was taught by the New Testament writers and the subsequent early Church.
* Douglas Campbell for his work on Paul. He strongly critiques past "standard" interpretation of Paul's writings and argues for a significantly different reading.
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Lord Jestocost
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Adrian Plass, for teaching me that actually I'm NOT sinful and doomed to Hell for occasionally being slightly out of step with other Christians.
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Richard Holloway for making people on the edge feel included. You don't have to abandon Christianity altogether just because you don't fit into someone else's nice little narrow definition of it.
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Mary LA
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Thanks for the links on 'open theism', didn't know anything about that --
One of the few theologians I have read in the last decade or so has been the Roman Catholic theologian from Chicago, David Tracy, who has been writing a long-awaited book on the hiddenness and incomprehensibility of God. Now it seems the book may not appear any time soon, but I'm still hoping for articles online.
Url fail. When I learn how to do links here, I'll come back and insert, sorry about that.
Just putting this out there in case anyone else reads Tracy.
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* E.P. Sanders for his work on Judaism and Paul. He corrected major misunderstandings of Judaism that were standard among Protestants and began a revolution in the interpretation of Paul's writings.
Seconded. I was very privileged to hear Sanders lecturing when I was training in Oxford. Superb theologian, and a brilliant storyteller - hearing him talk about what the Temple would have been like at Passover, it was like you were there.
My own favourite theologian, however, has to be Aidan Kavanagh. Sharp minded and witty, his writing style was dense and complex but somehow also very lucid. His main thesis in everything by him that I've read was very simple: worship comes first, philosophy second.
Kavanagh on fine form: quote:
That it never crosses our minds that a liturgy or an icon should cause us to shiver only shows how we have allowed ourselves to tame the Lion of Judah and put him into a suburban zoo to entertain children.
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Leprechaun
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Originally posted by Mary LA:
Thanks for the links on 'open theism', didn't know anything about that --
One of the few theologians I have read in the last decade or so has been the Roman Catholic theologian from Chicago, David Tracy, who has been writing a long-awaited book on the hiddenness and incomprehensibility of God. Now it seems the book may not appear any time soon
I guess that's one way of emphasising God's hiddeness and incomprehensibility. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Chiming in to echo the Greg Boyd fan club. Wanted to link to his blog but it seems to be down right now. Hopefully it will be up and running soon and I'll hook you up to his delightful insights!
(I like to say "Boyd is a rock star" both because I love his work like a rock-star groupie, but also because he plays in a rock band in his spare time.)
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For this lent, I read James Alison's "The Joy Of Being Wrong." I am not a great fan of theologians generally, even when I find their point of view worthwhile. They generally seem to think that, if you enjoy reading them, they've done it wrong. Alison skirts the edges of that pitfall, but mostly manages to avoid it. I confess that I enjoyed Rene Girard's "The Scapegoat" considerably more than Alison's work (I guess Girard really isn't a theologian...), but both are well worth the read.
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
Chiming in to echo the Greg Boyd fan club. Wanted to link to his blog but it seems to be down right now. Hopefully it will be up and running soon and I'll hook you up to his delightful insights!
(I like to say "Boyd is a rock star" both because I love his work like a rock-star groupie, but also because he plays in a rock band in his spare time.)
I like Boyd. You can use horror movies to illustrate Boyd's take on Christus Victor. Really does bring a whole new take on reading scripture.
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Rowan Williams.
Also, Nicholas Lash and Denys Turner.
Recently deceased: Herbert McCabe.
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chris stiles
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Gerhard Forde out of deceased theologians.
Of present theologians Robert Capon for expressing grace without the removal of mystery.
I've also enjoyed listening to Paul Zahl's podcasts on Art and Christianity.
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Mary LA
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Leprechaun wrote: I guess that's one way of emphasising God's hiddeness and incomprehensibility.
This made me laugh. Perhaps Tracy, like James Joyce, came to believe God like the artist was off somewhere paring his fingernails and oblivious of his creation.
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venbede
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I like James Allison, too.
I was much helped by the little of John Macquarrie I read when young.
They both take Christian orthodoxy seriously and don't try to show they are above it.
Also Gregory Dix.
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Originally posted by tclune:
For this lent, I read James Alison's "The Joy Of Being Wrong." I am not a great fan of theologians generally, even when I find their point of view worthwhile. They generally seem to think that, if you enjoy reading them, they've done it wrong. Alison skirts the edges of that pitfall, but mostly manages to avoid it. I confess that I enjoyed Rene Girard's "The Scapegoat" considerably more than Alison's work (I guess Girard really isn't a theologian...), but both are well worth the read.
--Tom Clune
I find both Alison and Girard (from whom he derives/develops much of his thought) profoundly liberating, and I recommend both of them when I get a chance.
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I try to read a lot of Leonardo Boff.
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Calleva Atrebatum
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Philip Yancey's The Jesus I Never Knew is highly readable account, from an (open?) evangelical, but very Moltmann-esque, I think.
Swinburne is really interesting on God's omniscience (and how it needs to be limited to preserve freedom), and Plantinga on why you don't need empirical proof to hold belief, and why the problem of evil doesn't outright disprove God.
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Dave Marshall
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
Chiming in to echo the Greg Boyd fan club. Wanted to link to his blog but it seems to be down right now.
If his old blog is anything to go by (eg. third post down) I'd be cautious about his ideas even if I was sympathetic to that perspective. Generating theology at that rate may be a real buzz for him and great propaganda value if you happen to agree with his conclusions, but how much consideration can he possibly give to it beyond seeing that it's superficially plausible?
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I've also enjoyed listening to Paul Zahl's podcasts on Art and Christianity.
I find artistic expression of Christian perspectives (for example in music or TV drama) more interesting and convincing than most things self-consciously labelled theology. It seems somehow vaguely unhealthy to be a consumer of theological opinion, especially when it's packaged and promoted as reasoned and reasonable. Art I think more clearly disclaims objectivity and for me anyway more effectively raises questions and invites dialogue.
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Ramarius
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Another Boyd fan. I still like to read Brunner. Pannenberg's a genius. Among NT scholars, always enjoy reading Raymond Brown.
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I'm having a lot of fun reading Peter Gomes right now.
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Gamaliel
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For once, I agree with Dave Marshall. I rarely read any theology these days. I mostly read poetry, novels, biographies, histories ...
I've kept a list of everything I've read for the last 12 years or so - perhaps longer, I'm too lazy to go and look ...
If I did, I think I'd see a gradual transition from reading evangelical books to broader theological ones, and then a drying up of theological reading almost completely - apart from devotional reading during Lent.
The rest of the time I'm reading the fun stuff I missed out on when I used to read too much theology ...
I enjoy theology, but I prefer debating about it than reading it.
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Spong is insightful and intelligent.
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Ramarius
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Originally posted by Herrick:
Spong is insightful and intelligent.
....misread that and started feeling hungry....
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Among NT scholars, always enjoy reading Raymond Brown.
Raymond E Brown is the greatest biblical scholar of the 20th century. I always have time for him.
NT Wright's stuff is awesome too. Different flavour but a current favourite.
Love Brueggeman on the Old Testament.
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Huia
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Originally posted by chris stiles:
Of present theologians Robert Capon for expressing grace without the removal of mystery.
He is one of my favourites too. I have found The Third Peacock particularly helpful.
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Originally posted by Herrick:
Spong is insightful and intelligent.
This gay man would disagree. I went to hear him in London some twenty years ago and he said that ten years earlier he didn't know about gays. I thought "Then why I am listening to you? You ought to be listening to me".
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Votes here for Philip Yancey and NT Wright as well. Paul Fiddes, a Baptist theologian, is growing on me: I'm not sure I always agree with him, but he refuses to take things for granted that we Baptists often do, but thinks about them in new ways. It's quite refreshing.
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Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange, Hans Urs von Balthasar, John Henry Newman, Joseph Ratzinger, Giuseppe Gheradini, Aidan Nichols, Scott Hahn and Romanus Cessario for me.
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Adrian Plass.
If only for the ever needed reality-checks, but also as Lord Jestocost wrote
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Adrian Plass, for teaching me that actually I'm NOT sinful and doomed to Hell for occasionally being slightly out of step with other Christians.
Jeff Lucas for more or less the same reasons.
Richard Rohr.
For his books on how the contemplative life might work in these times.
Cynthia Bourgeault.
For her book on Centering Prayer and her book on Mary Magdalene.
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Ramarius
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....and if you want some smart (and thorough) NT exegesis, Craig Blomberg is a gud 'un...
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Mary Marriott
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Thich Nhat Hanh's many books are marvellous on prayer and mindfulness. And experiences in their own right, in the present moment.
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Another Boyd fan. I still like to read Brunner. Pannenberg's a genius. Among NT scholars, always enjoy reading Raymond Brown.
Raymond Brown. ABSOLUTELY. He remains one of the finest Johannine scholars that have ever lived despite his early death in the 90s.
His lectures are brilliant and often amusing and available on CD and DVD. They include the masterly The Passion in John.
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I think Oscar Cullmann remains important even though his battle with Bultmann is long won. Of contemporary theologians I suspect Miroslav Volf is telling us something extremely important. Karl Barth remains utterly seminal - in small doses! PT Forsyth deserves rediscovering and translating for a new generation.
My litmus test is whether a theologian - sytematician or biblical - engages with the scandal of particularity, the centrality of Jesus of Nazareth. If not he/she goes into the why bother basket - joining the Slavoj Zizeks of the world as interesting but not Christian theologians. That doesn't make them unimportant or unvaluable (sic), just otherly important and valuable.
Terry Eagleton fascinates me these days.
And so on ... I'd better shut up. And check out those moly mysteries.
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Adrian Plass, for teaching me that actually I'm NOT sinful and doomed to Hell for occasionally being slightly out of step with other Christians.
Haven't read him yet, but he's on my list.
I tend to collect my theology wherever I find it, so here are some of my faves with their books:
--Margaret Craven, "I Heard The Owl Call My Name".
--Madeleine L'Engle, anything of hers, but especially the various Murry and Austin novels. ("Wrinkle In Time", "Young Unicorns", etc.) Very good about the love of God, everyday pains of life, fighting for Good, the joy of all Creation connected to God, etc.
--CS Lewis, "Chronicles of Narnia", "'Til We Have Faces", "God in the Dock", "Letters to Malcolm", etc.
--Anne Lamott, "Traveling Mercies". Down in the gutter and gradually climbing out spirituality.
--Thich Nhat Hanh, "Miracle of Mindfulness", "Peace Is Every Step". He also has two books on Buddha and Jesus.
And, of course...
--Terry Pratchett. Seriously.
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Richard Holloway for making people on the edge feel included. You don't have to abandon Christianity altogether just because you don't fit into someone else's nice little narrow definition of it.
My first choice too. Second is Karen Armstrong though she might prefer to be regarded as a hisorian, not a theologian. For her enormous erudition, and her compassion - which would be perfect if she'd not use so many words!
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Spong is insightful and intelligent.
This gay man would disagree. I went to hear him in London some twenty years ago and he said that ten years earlier he didn't know about gays. I thought "Then why I am listening to you? You ought to be listening to me".
Spong isn't an original theologian - all his stuff is rehashed as if it is something new, whereas many of us have heard it all before.
Then again, the same could be said of a lot of stuff that I write - I suppose the skill of a teacher is top rehash stuff for a popular audience rather than to be an original thinker. Or, at least, I console myself with that notion.
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Originally posted by venbede:
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Originally posted by Herrick:
Spong is insightful and intelligent.
This gay man would disagree. I went to hear him in London some twenty years ago and he said that ten years earlier he didn't know about gays. I thought "Then why I am listening to you? You ought to be listening to me".
Spong isn't an original theologian - all his stuff is rehashed as if it is something new, whereas many of us have heard it all before.
Then again, the same could be said of a lot of stuff that I write - I suppose the skill of a teacher is top rehash stuff for a popular audience rather than to be an original thinker. Or, at least, I console myself with that notion.
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Originally posted by venbede:
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Originally posted by Herrick:
Spong is insightful and intelligent.
This gay man would disagree. I went to hear him in London some twenty years ago and he said that ten years earlier he didn't know about gays. I thought "Then why I am listening to you? You ought to be listening to me".
Spong isn't an original theologian - all his stuff is rehashed as if it is something new, whereas many of us have heard it all before.
Then again, the same could be said of a lot of stuff that I write - I suppose the skill of a teacher is top rehash stuff for a popular audience rather than to be an original thinker. Or, at least, I console myself with that notion.
Unfortunately although one might agree with Spong on a number of issues, he does seem to market himself as an 'original thinker' - both of which words appear daft when linked with his name. He does however have more of a claim in enjoying the limelight and a successful symbiotic relationship with the media.
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I think N.T. Wright and Anne Lamott, in their very different ways, may have saved my faith.
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John Stott, NT Wright and Jim Wallis of Sojourners.
That's the recent ones, but like a lot of people I'm influenced by a lot of people from a long time before that.
Who in Western Christianity has not been influenced, if not directly then indirectly, by Thomas Aquinas?
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Elizabeth Stuart in bits I've read.
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Another vote for Luke Timothy Johnson, Walter Wink and Robert Farrar Capon.
While Bonhoeffer isn't the easiest read in the world (any of his works) I would highly recommend his book Life Together for anyone pondering the dynamics of Christian community and/or feeling disappointment that said community doesn't live up to its potential.
In the blogosphere, I see so much energy and thought among 30-something female pastors/priests...I'm sure that extends into academia, and would love to be directed to some up-and-coming female theologians.
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Karl Rahner. Donald Mackinnon. P.T. Forsyth (great kenotic theologian), Bonhoeffer. Austin Farrer. Gillian Rose. Rowan Williams. Dan Harrington. Raymond Brown. Luke Timothy Johnson.
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