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Mockingale
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I don't get why you only have apparently 30 seconds to a minute to go back and edit a message once you've posted it. What's the point of that?
There have been several times where I make an embarrassing grammatical error or I go back and reread a post I've responded to and realize that I've misunderstood the point, but by the time I realize my error, it is impossible to change my message or to retract it.
Maybe you guys don't want to generally allow people to retract their words, but would it hurt to have a five-minute rule or something?
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Uncle Pete
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First of all, it's two minutes; secondly there is the Preview post button,
Why it is only two minutes is historical.
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Drifting Star
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Is it that time of year again?
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Mockingale
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Originally posted by PeteC:
First of all, it's two minutes; secondly there is the Preview post button,
Why it is only two minutes is historical.
Oh, well, two minutes...
At any rate, it's discriminatory to those of us with itchy posting fingers and I for one do not approve. ![[Two face]](graemlins/scot_twoface.gif)
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Spike
Mostly Harmless
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It used to be longer until somebody abused it. That's why we reduced it to 2 minutes. As PeteC said, Preview Post is always your friend!
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Sioni Sais
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I want to know why the two minutes that flood protection prevents me posting in is much longer than the two minutes in which I can correct my latest post.
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Uncle Pete
Loyaute me lie
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It's not. It just seems that way. Way back in the dark ages, WW and I kept getting flood control messages when we were both on the Ship. We both got very adept at counting to 120 to mark the time.
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RooK
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There's an edit window?
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Tortuf
Ship's fisherman
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No no. Not to worry. There's a good boy.
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Curiosity killed ...
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Because you should see what happens when there isn't a limit on deleting or changing posts, having just watched it happen somewhere else.
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Boogie
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Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
Because you should see what happens when there isn't a limit on deleting or changing posts, having just watched it happen somewhere else.
Yes. I am on the same 'somewhere else' and I had to try to deduce what someone had said from the following posts on a particular thread - it was chaos.
Mind you, I do like the unlimited edit time there - it makes life a lot easier when you can add stuff and it's not usually abused.
But this is a discussion board - so if people could go back and edit willy-nilly discussion would be useless.
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Boogie
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Originally posted by Drifting Star:
Is it that time of year again?
This kind of comment annoys me. I am new to a board elsewhere and don't want to ask questions in case I get this kind of ![[Snore]](graemlins/snore.gif) reaction. It can be hard to find old threads - especially here!
Why don't you just scroll on by if you don't want to be helpful to newbies?
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ken
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Originally posted by PeteC:
... there is the Preview post button,
I'm sure I'm not the only person who finds that typos are invisible until I see them in the final published form!
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Chorister
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quote:
Originally posted by Mockingale:
But that was 2008, and surely we live in a much more civilized time.
![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif) oh what delightful optimism....
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Boogie
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quote:
Originally posted by ken:
quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:
... there is the Preview post button,
I'm sure I'm not the only person who finds that typos are invisible until I see them in the final published form!
This is very true - is there a name for this fenomenom?
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Mockingale
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quote:
Originally posted by ken:
quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:
... there is the Preview post button,
I'm sure I'm not the only person who finds that typos are invisible until I see them in the final published form!
I'm not convinced that the boards don't have some subroutine that adds typos after I hit 'Submit'.
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lilBuddha
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I am convinced the Ship software contains malicious software which invisibly inserts typos into my text whilst I am correcting a typo. Only explanation.
ETA: And delays responses to create embarrassing x-posts.
[ 20. June 2012, 17:15: Message edited by: lilBuddha ]
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Boogie:
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Originally posted by ken:
quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:
... there is the Preview post button,
I'm sure I'm not the only person who finds that typos are invisible until I see them in the final published form!
This is very true - is there a name for this fenomenom?
It's a Law of Publishing. Even before Gutenberg, clerks copied manuscripts and made errors that weren't spotted by proof-readers. No two Domesday books are identical (lots of dead clerks though).
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Drifting Star
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quote:
Originally posted by Boogie:
quote:
Originally posted by Drifting Star:
Is it that time of year again?
This kind of comment annoys me. I am new to a board elsewhere and don't want to ask questions in case I get this kind of reaction. It can be hard to find old threads - especially here!
Why don't you just scroll on by if you don't want to be helpful to newbies?
You want me to stop posting in a way that is quite usual on the Ship because you're afraid other people might do so on another board? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
A reply had already been posted by a host, or I would have said more. Equally, if a simple question about the reason for the limit had been posted rather than a complaint, I would have answered it simply (had nobody else done so first).
If you're so worried about responses on this other board why don't you PM an admin or host and ask them? I'm still not sure why that's my problem though.
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Moo
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quote:
Originally posted by Mockingale:
quote:
Originally posted by lily pad:
Check Oblivion for one of many old threads on this topic.
But that was 2008, and surely we live in a much more civilized time. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
There are many thousands of shipmates. It only takes one to mess things up.
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Boogie
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Drifting Star - I am saying that reactions to reasonable questions are off putting for newbies. My comment about the other board was an illustration of how it feels to be a newbie - that's all.
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Garasu
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I kind of suspect that any newbie who is put off by [Snore] responses may be too delicate to travel these waters in this Ship... it might serve as a good way for folks to self-select out of the discussion boards.
Any suggestions for where the rest of us can hang out?
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Uncle Pete
Loyaute me lie
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Other than the Ship? Maybe this one.
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Pyx_e
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quote:
Originally posted by Moo:
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Originally posted by Mockingale:
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Originally posted by lily pad:
Check Oblivion for one of many old threads on this topic.
But that was 2008, and surely we live in a much more civilized time.
There are many thousands of shipmates. It only takes one to mess things up.
Moo
I'm Spartacus.
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Lyda*Rose
Ship's broken porthole
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quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
quote:
Originally posted by Boogie:
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Originally posted by ken:
quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:
... there is the Preview post button,
I'm sure I'm not the only person who finds that typos are invisible until I see them in the final published form!
This is very true - is there a name for this fenomenom?
It's a Law of Publishing. Even before Gutenberg, clerks copied manuscripts and made errors that weren't spotted by proof-readers. No two Domesday books are identical (lots of dead clerks though).
Blame it on Titivillus, patron demon of typos. ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
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Amazing Grace
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Originally posted by Lynn MagdalenCollege:
I kind of suspect that any newbie who is put off by responses may be too delicate to travel these waters in this Ship... it might serve as a good way for folks to self-select out of the discussion boards.
Big girl/boy panties ahoy!
I also think that the response is a pretty mild one to people who ask snarky/aggressive/whiny questions.
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Latchkey Kid
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quote:
Originally posted by Boogie:
quote:
Originally posted by ken:
quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:
... there is the Preview post button,
I'm sure I'm not the only person who finds that typos are invisible until I see them in the final published form!
This is very true - is there a name for this fenomenom?
In another review environment we used to call it the Robert Burns syndrome. Viz "O wad the gift the Giftie gie us ... etc."
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Amazing Grace
High Church Protestant
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Originally posted by Lynn MagdalenCollege:
Exactly. I mean, what if such a delicate flower accidentally wanders into the lower bowels of the Ship?! ![[Help]](graemlins/help.gif)
"I thought this was a Christian website!" *whine* *pout* *stomp*
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birdie
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Originally posted by Pyx_e:
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Originally posted by Moo:
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Originally posted by Mockingale:
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Originally posted by lily pad:
Check Oblivion for one of many old threads on this topic.
But that was 2008, and surely we live in a much more civilized time.
There are many thousands of shipmates. It only takes one to mess things up.
Moo
I'm Spartacus.
Yes, you are.
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Robert Armin
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In THE GOOD OLD DAYS there was no edit time at all. Kids today, they just don't know how lucky they are.....
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Kelly Alves
Bunny with an axe
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Yeah, if you look at some of the really old Limbo threads, you'll see all kinds of typo craziness.
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Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
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Ariel
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quote:
Originally posted by Lynn MagdalenCollege:
I kind of suspect that any newbie who is put off by responses may be too delicate to travel these waters in this Ship... it might serve as a good way for folks to self-select out of the discussion boards.
In real life, if you were addressed by a stranger asking an innocent question about your town, one you had been stopped and asked about 50 times already, would you roll your eyes and say "BORING!"?
It's the equivalent here. We were all new once, every new person has the right to ask questions you've heard before, they should also be answered politely. They can't be expected to have read every thread in Oblivion and Limbo before posting a perfectly innocent, if unoriginal question. If you don't want to answer them, don't do so, but no need to make them feel like a fool with a sarcastic response. It doesn't make any new person feel at ease, or like you any better.
In fact, anyone who openly admits to being bored with seeing the same questions come up again and again should probably consider whether they should "self-select out of the discussion boards".
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LeRoc
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Robert Armin: In THE GOOD OLD DAYS there was no edit time at all. Kids today, they just don't know how lucky they are.....
My internet connection here is so slow that it usually takes more than 2 minutes even to load a page, so I can forget about editing.
I make quite a lot of spelling mistakes, but if I think people can understand what I wrote, I usually don't bother.
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Kelly Alves
Bunny with an axe
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This is true. We were all new on deck once.
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I cannot expect people to believe “
Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.
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Mary LA
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Some of us might be delicate wilting newbie flowers on SoF, but if we've been around any other large forum (writers, political, neo-pagan, recovery, survivors, the Definitive Recipe for Cassoulet, etc) the tendency to retrospectively self-censor or rewrite posts is maddening. I'd rather have to stand by what I wrote, no matter how embarrassing.
I once logged onto a writers forum early on Sunday morning to find that one sozzled poster had made 115 posts on why David Foster Wallace sucked. He had woken hungover and repentant at 4am and hastily erased every single one. Unfortunately another poster and fan of DFW had copied the thread and reposted all 115 calumnies.
This kind of thing can get very tiring.
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Chorister
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That's why God himself proclaimed the 11th commandment as 'Never post while drunk'. Unfortunately, by then, Moses had run out of space on his tablets.
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Niteowl
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I am a member of a board that has unlimited editing, but the times and dates of all edits are spelled out and you can be sure if you try and lie about what you said prior to editing that someone, somewhere has a copy and paste or even png file of the original post. They've had unlimited editing for several years now and it seems to work for them. I like that board and SoF for different reasons, but both are run quite well by the PTB. The 2 minute edit is irritating at times, but it's not a big deal when considering the quality of discussions here.
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Lyda*Rose
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Arial: quote:
In real life, if you were addressed by a stranger asking an innocent question about your town, one you had been stopped and asked about 50 times already, would you roll your eyes and say "BORING!"?
Exactly. Besides, ignorant is not the same as stupid or even lazy. Sometimes the answer isn't as easy to find as it looks from the POV of an old hand.
I like the cheeky tone around here, but sometimes people take it as a Ship mandate. Now, that is . It's the mix of intelligence, straight-talk, kindness, and snarkiness that makes the Ship the Ship. Being kindly occasionally is not counter to our ethos.
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Lynn MagdalenCollege:
Exactly. I mean, what if such a delicate flower accidentally wanders into the lower bowels of the Ship?!
If they didn't read the FAQs and the board descriptions, on their heads be it. And may Marvin have mercy (coughfatchancecough) on their souls.
But I'm with Arial, no need to be snarky about a reasonable question in the Styx or on any board but Hell. Sometimes I think the Styx is turning into Hell Lite. Sometimes that's fun; sometimes not so much.
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Boogie
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Originally posted by Ariel:
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Originally posted by Lynn MagdalenCollege:
I kind of suspect that any newbie who is put off by responses may be too delicate to travel these waters in this Ship... it might serve as a good way for folks to self-select out of the discussion boards.
In real life, if you were addressed by a stranger asking an innocent question about your town, one you had been stopped and asked about 50 times already, would you roll your eyes and say "BORING!"?
Exactly - there is a huge difference between unrestful, argumentative, rigorous (insert whatever else you want to call the Ship) and plain rude.
I promise you I am in no way delicate, Lynn MagdalenCollege - but to be so unpleasant to someone who is new onboard isn't the culture here - is it?
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Ariel:
In fact, anyone who openly admits to being bored with seeing the same questions come up again and again should probably consider whether they should "self-select out of the discussion boards".
This should be on the header of every forum on the net. And branded on the foreheads of those who can not bother to understand.
Along with "It isn't all about me"
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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
This is true. We were all new on deck once.
Crosspost: this was in reference to people sniffing at newbies who ask a question, and considering the attitude people can get from folk for doing so, I definitely don't see it as the act of a delicate flower. So, it's not really about protecting people's delicate feelings. To me it's more "if we really dislike accusations of cliquishness (as has been expressed in the past), is responding to people that way really gonna help our case?"
Because, Lord know people's delicate feelings get all in an uproar if people use the word "clique," right?
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Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
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Kelly Alves
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quote:
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
I like the cheeky tone around here, but sometimes people take it as a Ship mandate. Now, that is . It's the mix of intelligence, straight-talk, kindness, and snarkiness that makes the Ship the Ship. Being kindly occasionally is not counter to our ethos.
Also, fuck yeah, Lyda. Well said and Boo-fuckin' yah.
[ 22. June 2012, 18:53: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]
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I cannot expect people to believe “
Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.
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Chorister
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You forgot the 'with brass knobs on'.
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Mockingale
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If I wanted saccharine niceness, I'd have gone to some other Christian forum with less attitude. The snarkiness keeps this site interesting.
I still think the two-minute limit is asinine, but I accept that higher powers have deemed it thus, so wtf ever. ![[Paranoid]](graemlins/paranoid.gif)
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Kelly Alves
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The snarkiness is indeed what makes the ship the ship, but it's only fair play to allow people point out rudeness if they see it. The Ship is also not about protecting people from the consequences of the statements they make.
I just hate arguments that devolve down to "Don't be so sensitive", because it just feels like a way for people to protect themselves from honest feedback. I just expect a better answer that that. But maybe that's a subject for Purg.
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I cannot expect people to believe “
Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.
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Boogie
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Originally posted by Mockingale:
If I wanted saccharine niceness, I'd have gone to some other Christian forum with less attitude. The snarkiness keeps this site interesting.
Surely there is a difference between saccharine niceness and politeness?
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