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?? I thought Kirk was portrayed as highly, almost impossibly, intelligent in the reboot - which I loved, once I'd got over Spock being played by evil mutant Silas - isn't that the point? That it was a different path... in the universe we (TOS) inhabited before, the array or entity or ship or whatever DIDN'T kill Kirk's father so he didn't grow up as stupidly rebellious and the original story happened. In the new reality, he got to command enterprise but by a different path.
I didn't hate the relationship (again, not the alternate reality) as there have been echoes of the 'relationship that might have been' thru all the books. It doesn't fit with Vulcan relationship history though, and we're often told that Spock can't bear to be touched because his vulcan half gets drenched in undisciplined human emotion.
Roddenberry was actually very courageous casting a black woman in an important, intelligent role in the ..60s? and he'd have liked to cast a woman as the doctor too, but he couldn't push gender and race politics too far, or his show would have bombed before it started. He cast his wife as the nurse instead.
erm... have I possibly outed myself as a trekkie yet..?
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Timothy the Obscure
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I thought Reboot Kirk was portrayed as very bright guy with more than a touch of ADHD.
I really did like what they did with Uhura--almost as if they heard Gwen in Galaxy Quest complain about having nothing to do but repeat what the computer said and set out to make amends.
As for women's roles--in the original pilot for TOS, the second-in-command (the role that eventually became Spock) was played by Majel Barret (Roddenberry's wife). In test viewings there was such intense negative reaction to a cold, logical woman in command (especially from female viewers!) that they demoted her to nurse...
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Originally posted by Amika: " Beverly Crusher was the worst. She never seemed credible as a doctor to me, but then she was one of my least favourite characters in TNG anyway. Pulaski was a relief in the second season. Shame she was ditched to get ole Bev back!"
Yeah! Gates McFadden is a horrible actress! And when TNG first started, I kinda hated the character Deanna Troi. She said the stupidest "no duh!" stuff! Aliens could be shooting at the Enterprise and Picard would ask Troi about them. "Captain... I sense that they're angry about something..." No shit, Counselor! Thanks for that deep insight!
Luckily, as the series went on, Troi became much more three dimensional but those early episodes were enough to cause me to ridicule the entire show.
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Since I am a psychotherapist, Deanna Troi makes my teeth ache. She illustrates why too much empathy can be a bad thing. She's got no professional boundaries--in fact she doesn't seem like a professional at all, just a kind of loose empathy cannon, Carl Rogers's id cut loose from any concept of technique or theory. Every time I've seen an episode featuring her, I've wanted to complain to whatever board licenses starship counselors.
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"Intense joy and great happiness", uttered with tears in her eyes. Yes, it is nauseating, but pray tell, when have any psychologists, therapists or mental health workers ever been portrayed as they must in real life. The only one which comes to mind is Judd Hirsch in "Ordinary People". They all lack boundaries in Hollywood, they are all disordered, they all are in voyages to repair themselves, and they most frequently lack any sense of sexual boundaries.
I always wanted Troi and Wesley to be both thrown out an airlock, a sentiment made much more prominent after watching Battlestar Galatica. (Which now has me thinking, is the Ship Of Fools a sailing vessel or a starship?)
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Trudy Scrumptious
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Originally posted by Timothy the Obscure:
As for women's roles--in the original pilot for TOS, the second-in-command (the role that eventually became Spock) was played by Majel Barret (Roddenberry's wife). In test viewings there was such intense negative reaction to a cold, logical woman in command (especially from female viewers!) that they demoted her to nurse...
I remember reading somewhere that the original pilot did indeed have Barrett as first officer, but also did have the Spock character on the bridge in some other role, and that the first notes Roddenberry got from the network were "Lose the Martian and the girl." I wonder if that's correct or if I'm misremembering an article read years ago?
TOS is laughably cringeworthy in so many many ways, but Roddenberry really was a visionary in many ways too, even if he had to pull back on some of his vision in order to get it on air. Having Chekhov on the bridge in a show that aired in the middle of the Cold War was also another big step (even if the original Klingons do look and sound a bit Russian).
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Roddenberry was actually very courageous casting a black woman in an important, intelligent role in the ..60s?
<pause to check Wikipedia> TOS was shown from 1966-9. The original pilot (featuring Majel Barrett as second-in-command) was made in 1965. Roddenberry was hawking the original idea around studios in 1964, the same year as your first Civil Rights Act.
Yes, it is pretty amazing. Just after racial discrimination was outlawed and at the height of the Cold War, here comes a TV series saying 'This stuff may seem like a big deal now, but in the future it won't matter'. Uhura only got to say 'Hailing channels open, Captain' (if that), but she was THERE.
I must have missed the bit about Rebooted Kirk being intelligent. All I saw was an oik interested only in cars (or the 23rd century equivalent thereof).
I confess, I was prejudiced against the reboot by the ridiculously dramatic first scene, where James T. is born as his father Dies Heroically (having fulfilled his biological purpose).
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Originally posted by Trudy Scrumptious:
Having Chekhov on the bridge in a show that aired in the middle of the Cold War was also another big step (even if the original Klingons do look and sound a bit Russian).
The Man from UNCLE started two years before STTOS, and my favourite one of its co-stars was supposed to be not only a Russian but an employee of the Soviet government seconded to the UN. And strange as it seems now, The Man from UNCLE had more viewers than Star Trek did back then. And I liked it, so there! ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Jane R
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...and I've been thinking (always a dangerous move) about Kirk/Rebooted Kirk. I wonder if the discrepancy is due to a difference in how we recognise Intelligent People? Back in the 1960s an intelligent person would be expected to have read literary classics (even if s/he didn't like them much), know a bit about classical mythology, play chess, etc. etc. So in order to show that TOS Kirk was intelligent you have him quoting from Shakespeare occasionally or feature the odd shot of Spock gnashing his teeth* as Kirk says 'Checkmate'. Nowadays a maths geek who has no interest in any aspect of Western culture except zombie films made between 1950 and 1975 and garage bands of the 1990s (have I got the terminology right here?) would still be recognised as an intelligent person, even if s/he had never heard of Shakespeare.
And that would explain the problem, assuming that those who say Rebooted Kirk is intelligent are right (I am not interested enough in the question to sit through the reboot again, so I'll take your word for it); I was expecting Rebooted Kirk to be like TOS Kirk and looking for the wrong signs of intelligence...
*OK, OK; raising one eyebrow slightly. The Vulcan equivalent.
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Originally posted by Jane R:
And that would explain the problem, assuming that those who say Rebooted Kirk is intelligent are right (I am not interested enough in the question to sit through the reboot again, so I'll take your word for it); I was expecting Rebooted Kirk to be like TOS Kirk and looking for the wrong signs of intelligence...
*OK, OK; raising one eyebrow slightly. The Vulcan equivalent.
One huge problem is TOS had several seasons to establish its Kirk. The Reboot had just over two hours to establish several characters, a new back-story (with some integration of the old) and tell an interesting tale. Not the same task. The new Trek might have not developed Kirk's intelligence clearly enough, there were big pointers. He reprogrammed Spock's test. At nearly the beginning, Captain Pike directly comments on Kirk's intelligence. The sense I got was his impulsive nature had more control in the rebooted Kirk than the original.
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The way I heard it (and I was a fan way back) was that the studio did indeed say "Lose the alien and the girl on the bridge" and that Roddenberry decided he could save one of them, but not both. So he promoted Spock and married Number One. Then, because the studio had a policy of not re-hiring actors on the same show for different parts, Majel got herself a blonde wig and the part of Nurse Chapel.
For Chekov, I believe the Russians complained that there was no Russian on the bridge, the Space Race being at its height. At the same time, the Beatles were becoming very popular, so they combined the Russian with a Beatles haircut and voila!
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If this thread was posted in Hell, would we need to start discussing the Evil Alternate Universe Kirk? ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
That is the only part of the series Star Trek: Enterprise that I really felt was rather well done.
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Originally posted by Chapelhead:
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Originally posted by no prophet:
Which now has me thinking, is the Ship Of Fools a sailing vessel or a starship?
A thread, and a set of posts, in Limbo which I will admit to being rather proud of. Unfortunately many of the names and in-jokes won't mean anything to people who have joined the Ship in the last seven years or so.
Oh man, loved it! Especially Commander Iren with the severe Bob.
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My favourite Klingon is Warf: Michael Dorn and I were at school together in Pasadena. He was also a teammate on our junior varsity (American) football team. I have seen him once in the last twenty years, at a Star Trek convention. He jets around to his various speaking engagements in fighter jets of the fifties and sixties; at last count, he owned three of them.
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Klingons are cute - our last two cats were called Martok and Gowron. They weren't very fierce though.
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My favourite Klingon is Warf:
Worf, dear boy, Worf. You make that same mistake every.single.time. you relate that anecdote.
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Originally posted by Sir Kevin:
My favourite Klingon is Warf:
Worf, dear boy, Worf. You make that same mistake every.single.time. you relate that anecdote.
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Nunc Dimittis
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When I next adopt feline companions (and next time it will be a plural, not singular), I have been contemplating calling them Tuvok and Spock after the most famousest of all Vulcans... Cats are, afterall, inscrutable in similar way to Vulcans. Although logical? Perhaps not!
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Originally posted by Nunc Dimittis:
Cats are, afterall, inscrutable in similar way to Vulcans.
Plus, they've got that pointy-ear thing going for them.
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But ... what about this one?
"Felis catus is your taxonomic nomenclature,
An endothermic quadruped, carnivorous by nature."
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I have to admit that I'm more of a dog person. I haven't watched much of Enterprise, but I'll give you Porthos.
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I have to admit that I'm more of a dog person. I haven't watched much of Enterprise, but I'll give you Porthos.
Not sure where you meant that link to go. There's a lot on the page, none of it immediately leaping out at me as suggesting a connection to ST or dogs or even a musketeer.
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Err...? I just tried it again. I get an image of Jonathan Archer holding Porthos. Maybe it depends on which country you are in? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
Err...? I just tried it again. I get an image of Jonathan Archer holding Porthos. Maybe it depends on which country you are in?
It must do. I get a line of pix of the Twilight stars, then a series of links to new trailers and a poll asking me if I think Channing Tatum is the sexiest man alive?
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Firenze: It must do. I get a line of pix of the Twilight stars, then a series of links to new trailers and a poll asking me if I think Channing Tatum is the sexiest man alive?
Always interested in hearing your answer to the last question ![[Smile]](smile.gif) but the picture I tried to link to is this one (I hope it works now, and apologies for the mess.)
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
Always interested in hearing your answer to the last question
I'm afraid it's 'Who?'
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I don't know who Channing Tatum is either, but how can he be sexy with a name like that? It sounds like a Tube station, or an obscure village in the Cotswolds.
Does anyone else have the Nitpickers' Guides to ST? We have the ones for TOS and TNG. I have to say, my favourite list in there is 'Kirk's Top 10 Reasons for Breaking the Prime Directive'.
My favourite quiz is the one for prospective starship captains...
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Jane R: My favourite quiz is the one for prospective starship captains...
How does that work? Do you have to chose which actor would be the best fit as a captain?
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Originally posted by Jane R:
Does anyone else have the Nitpickers' Guides to ST? We have the ones for TOS and TNG. I have to say, my favourite list in there is 'Kirk's Top 10 Reasons for Breaking the Prime Directive'.
I love the Nitpickers' Guides!
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How does that work? Do you have to chose which actor would be the best fit as a captain?
This is the Nitpickers' Guide for TOS. The quiz I referred to is multiple-choice; you are a recruit taking the entrance exam for Starfleet Academy. You pick one answer out of four alternatives for each question and then work out at the end whether you got mostly as, bs, cs or ds. This determines which captain you will be: Janeaway, Kirk, Picard or... Quark. Yes, I know Quark's not a captain but they have to do SOMETHING with all the people who fail the exam!
(I was Quark. His solutions to the questions were the most entertaining)
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Jane R: This is the Nitpickers' Guide for TOS.
Ah, I get it know. (Now I'm a bit afraid to take the quiz. Does it has an option that tells you you're best suited as a deck scrubber? )
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Oooh! Sargon just joined the Ship!
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Jane R
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Now I'm a bit afraid to take the quiz. Does it has an option that tells you you're best suited as a deck scrubber?
That would be Quark... Join ussss...
I was actually quite relieved to discover that I wasn't a bald or balding Homo sapiens male, though I wouldn't have minded being Captain Janeway with a different hairdo.
I don't think this quiz is available online (I could be wrong, of course); you might have to buy the book to get it.
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Jane R: That would be Quark... Join ussss...
In that case, I'd definitely get one of the Dabo Girls to give me an oo-mox
BTW, I love the Quark character. Very well done, and by a good actor. After ST initially struggled with the Ferengi idea (especially in the first seasons of TNG) they really pulled it off here.
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Channing Tatum was mentioned up the thread. I know who he is! That is to say, I know one atypical role that he played, which was the lead in The Eagle, a film version of Rosemary Sutcliff's children's novel The Eagle of the Ninth. He actually played Marcus Flavius Aquila, the wounded Roman centurion who goes north to recover the lost Eagle of his father's legion, quite well.
I have no idea what else he has appeared in, but am aware that it includes a fandom of teenage girls.
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Originally posted by Eigon:
... Rosemary Sutcliff's children's novel The Eagle of the Ninth.
Crap film. Glorious trilogy of books. Re-read them this year. Lovely
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I think Channing Tatum did quite well with the role he was given, and Donald Sutherland was marvellous as his uncle - but the film left out about half of the plot of the book, and got the ending wrong.
Meanwhile, back in the United Federation of Planets....
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I have come out as a Trekie after more then 40 years of denial .
Just started watching the original series again and found that peculiar 1st episode which scared the living daylights out of me aged 10.
The end scene being Dr. McCoy having to phaser a salt-sucking creature ,(which appeared to him as his former lover), as it was about to kill Captain Kirk.
Gene Rodenberry had a formula there which was used in many of his stories . I can see now why this low-budget space adventure found it's cult following.
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Originally posted by rolyn:
I have come out as a Trekie after more then 40 years of denial .
Just started watching the original series again and found that peculiar 1st episode which scared the living daylights out of me aged 10.
The end scene being Dr. McCoy having to phaser a salt-sucking creature ,(which appeared to him as his former lover), as it was about to kill Captain Kirk.
I remember being terrified by 'The Mantrap', too. I used to call the salt vampire 'the spaghetti bolognese monster'. Don't know why as we didn't eat spaghetti bolognese in our house!
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Thanks for letting me know the episode title Amika , I deleted it without taking note . Only a couple of Star Treks bothered me and that was one .
A bit embarrassing for a boy having to tell his mum that something screened at 5.30 pm scared him.
Watched another one this evening called "Charlie X" which was pretty naff by comparison . You know it just seems to be all the sounds of the Starship , the characters, and just the whole set-up really. Still has the power to enthrall.....
Saddo's anonymous or what ?
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Originally posted by rolyn:
Thanks for letting me know the episode title Amika , I deleted it without taking note . Only a couple of Star Treks bothered me and that was one .
A bit embarrassing for a boy having to tell his mum that something screened at 5.30 pm scared him.
Watched another one this evening called "Charlie X" which was pretty naff by comparison . You know it just seems to be all the sounds of the Starship , the characters, and just the whole set-up really. Still has the power to enthrall.....
Saddo's anonymous or what ?
Oh yes, and no shame!
I finished TOS again today, and have started The Animated Series. So very 1970s...
The other guilty little secret is that I discovered that the combination of Star Trek novels and an Android tablet is an exceptionally good one...
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I've just seen the trailer for the new film, Into Darkness (can't get used to the new actors in the roles yet - apart from Zachary Quinto as Spock, who is scarily like Leonard Nimoy). Benedict Cumberbatch is swearing undying vengeance against the Earth and seems to be about to blow San Francisco up.
Which is all very exciting and all that, but what happened to "seek out new life and new civilisations"?
What happened to the optimism?
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Originally posted by Eigon:
What happened to the optimism?
I think all of the Star Trek incarnations up to the latest reboot were among the most optimistic sci-fi of their times. In my favourite, Voyager, it almost went too far - everybody was so fundamentally good, even down to the pyschopath who came good in the end. Other brands of sci-fi may peddle their dystopias, but Star Trek always seemed to believe that humanity would forge a path of moral progress.
Perhaps in the latest version, everybody's just too pretty to be good.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Eigon:
What happened to the optimism?
It was bit boring? Seriously, TOS had a rougher feel. TNG was very sanitary and plastic. The others as well, though to a lesser degree. Is why I liked DS9 better than the rest, a little more of the wild frontier feel than any if the 2nd Gen series.
You know the good guys will win in the overall balance, but it is nice to imagine the struggle.
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The other guilty little secret is that I discovered that the combination of Star Trek novels and an Android tablet is an exceptionally good one...
If only my Nook would have been around forty (forty?!!!) years ago when I started buying and reading those novels. Shouldn't those originals be worth something now?
What I want to know is, is Spock going to die? Again? ![[Waterworks]](graemlins/bawling.gif)
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Oh yes, and no shame!
Agreed
I finished TOS again today, and have started The Animated Series. So very 1970s..
I'm on one episode of TOS per evening .
Really enjoying them now I've got past the other one which gave me the ebee-geebies . ----( Where Kirk, Yeoman Janice , Doc, Spock etc. beamed downed to a 30s Earth-like planet and contracted a disease that had killed all the grown-ups, or 'grups' as that spooky bunch of kids called them ....)
Watching them again as a 50-something I notice the subtleties that previously went over my head . Like the on-going, unspoken fancy-thing between Kirk and Yeoman Janice.
I've also decided that Leonard Nimoy's early performances were so out-standing it may well have been one reason for the show's success .
I guess, having been fitted out with those comical ears, he had to try extra hard to make his character convincing .
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Eigon
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Mentioning Miri reminds me - in the Original Series, the crew were quite appalling at dealing with kids!
Look at poor Charlie X, or those awful kids who had an invisible "angel" watching over them, and the Enterprise crew didn't have a clue how to cope.
TNG wasn't much better - Worf was a pretty awful father, too (though I did like the one where Deanna Troi's mother takes Alexander off and has a naked mud bath with him!)
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