Thread: And WHICH bone did God take from Adam to form Eve? Board: Oblivion / Ship of Fools.


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Posted by TomOfTarsus (# 3053) on :
 
I just had to post this. I just didn't know where, so hosts, feel free to move it. But as it turns on the translation of a single Hebrew word, here it is:

They're making a case that it wasn't Adam's rib that God took to from Eve.

In one way, what a hoot! What does this do to all those sayings engraved on plaques & such, like "He formed her from his side, to be protected by him, equal to him," etc. (I forget how it goes)? So it may just be a Heaven thread.

On the other hand, does this do anything to our concept of God and His creation? I have no ideas, and I'm so busy I shouldn't be posting this now, but like a 13 year old schoolboy, I couldn't resist.

And frankly, they make a darn good case. Where'd it go? Any Hebrew experts on board want to weigh in on this?

Glory, the punny jokes we could make...

Blessings,

Tom
 

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Posted by Hedgehog (# 14125) on :
 
Don't worry too much about it. They are just ribbing you.


Or was that one of the punny jokes you thought we might make?
 

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Posted by TomOfTarsus (# 3053) on :
 
NOW DON'T START!

(actually, I can think of far worse... )
 

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Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
?

Where have they been? People have been questioning the whole "rib vs side" thing for a long time.

[ 10. November 2012, 03:37: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]
 

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Posted by TomOfTarsus (# 3053) on :
 
Yeah, but this isn't rib vs. side. This is rib vs. pubic bone. I told you there was a giddy teenage boy in the locker room side to it!
 

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Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
(Grunt) OK.

I'm thinking of Rocky from the "Rocky Horror Show."

I can see the "pelvic thrust" being involved in his creation.

"And God put Adam into a deep sleep. Then he took a jump to the left, and then a jump to the right..."

[ 10. November 2012, 03:59: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]
 

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Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
Just to let y'all know, I just put in a suggestion to the Keryg Hosts to move this thread. Until they do, behave yourself while you are down here.


Kelly "do as I say, not as I do" Alves

Admin
 

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Posted by Ariston (# 10894) on :
 
I've heard this one a long time ago—mostly because bacula were, for whatever obvious reason, a favorite party favor to visiting speakers from my biology teacher dad. I can't remember who mentioned this first, but it's not a new theory.

I'm surprised they don't also mention the part about Jacob/Israel wrestling with the angel, until being touched on the "inner hollow of his thigh." Hearing that story when younger, I always thought Jacob was a bit of a wuss. You spend all night wrestling, but one tap on the thigh, and you're out? Then the angel gives you a new name for your valiant struggle, even though you lost? Then you hear that Hebrew has no word for where the angel actually grabbed Jacob, and it all makes more sense. Yeah, I think I'd give up too if someone pulled a low cheater move on me like that.

So no. That the Bible was being euphemistic, rather than just a bit strange in places discussing anatomy, is not a new idea, nor is it the worst one.

[ 10. November 2012, 05:09: Message edited by: Ariston ]
 

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Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
Wait, isn't there some wacky Phoenician myth about Baal creating the world by (no no no no no.)
 

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Posted by St. Stephen the Stoned (# 9841) on :
 

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Originally posted by Ariston:
I've heard this one a long time ago—mostly because bacula were, for whatever obvious reason, a favorite party favor to visiting speakers from my biology teacher dad.

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Could you, er, enlarge on that? What is a party favor? How is it worn? Strange images fill my mind.
 

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Posted by Nigel M (# 11256) on :
 
Behaving.

It might be possible to argue in support of the article's suggestion that a reference to a penile bone fits better in the textual context of man and woman sticking together as one flesh. However, the Hebrew word is used in the vast majority of the 40 times it occurs in the Jewish scripture to refer to the frames associated with the tabernacle or temple. By implication in its use, there is a dual aspect - i.e. one frame has a symmetrical opposite. This is so even with the one occasion the word is used to denote the rim of the hill Shimei was prancing along while taunting David and his men (2 Sam. 16:13) – he was on one hill's rim, David and Co. on an adjacent rim.

Given this, unless humans were supposed to have two bacula (not asserted in the article), the use of the Hebrew word tsela doesn't fit that well. It would still make somewhat more sense to refer to the 'rib' as a frame with an opposite on the other side.

There was a suggestion some time ago that the Hebrew version of this episode was linked to a Sumerian poem where the goddess Ninti was created for healing Enki’s rib. 'Ninti' means “the Lady of the rib” or “the Lady who makes live.” So Eve, the mother of all human beings, was made from the man’s rib. The idea is that the Sumerian word for “life” (ti[l]) and the word for “rib” (ti) are connected.

Whatever the likelihood of that (and it has to be said it lost something in the Hebrew translation from Sumerian!), it may just be the case that – to adopt a time honoured phrase in Kerygmania – sometimes a rib is just a rib.
 

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Posted by Sandemaniac (# 12829) on :
 
Certainly in Egyptian mythology, the world was ejaculated by the ithyphallic deity Min. Just think, only a Kleenex away from being lost almost as soon as it was created...

Kelly, did you alter your sig specially for this thread?

AG
 

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Posted by Mamacita (# 3659) on :
 
First, considering the blog feature linked in the OP carries the title ROFL, I think that ought to tip off the reader that it isn't exactly, um, hard science.

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Originally posted by TomOfTarsus:
What does this do to all those sayings engraved on plaques & such, like "He formed her from his side, to be protected by him, equal to him," etc.

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Originally posted by Sandemaniac:
Certainly in Egyptian mythology, the world was ejaculated by the ithyphallic deity Min. Just think, only a Kleenex away from being lost almost as soon as it was created...

Kelly, did you alter your sig specially for this thread?

AG

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Originally posted by Firenze:
Are you suggesting, Mrs Cita, that Heaven is all knob jokes?

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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
You go first. We'll be right behind you.

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Originally posted by Loquacious beachcomber:

Provided that they were not ashamed to do so, of course.

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Too late. We're fallen.
 

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Posted by Sandemaniac (# 12829) on :
 
I can see it on the front page now...

Ship of Fools: Home of the Christian knob gag.



AG
 

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Posted by Loquacious beachcomber (# 8783) on :
 
Bugger. I just went to the Cafe, and there was no one there to carry this discussion forward. Nor was there any capacity for hooking up a webcam.
 

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Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :
 

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Originally posted by Loquacious beachcomber:
Bugger. I just went to the Cafe, and there was no one there to carry this discussion forward..

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Given this, unless humans were supposed to have two bacula (not asserted in the article), the use of the Hebrew word tsela doesn't fit that well. It would still make somewhat more sense to refer to the 'rib' as a frame with an opposite on the other side.

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Yeah, but if the theory of the story is true, Adam has a penis sans bone, and Eve is a bacula sans penis. Sounds pretty symmetrical to me. All parts are accounted for.
 

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Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Some of us are slightly nekkid ...
 

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Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
The spirit of Kenwritez hovers over the cafe. Envision that and tremble.
 

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Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
*clasps bed-jacket to her ample bosom*
 

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Posted by The5thMary (# 12953) on :
 

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Originally posted by Hedgehog:
Don't worry too much about it. They are just ribbing you.


Or was that one of the punny jokes you thought we might make?

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Originally posted by Doublethink:
*clasps bed-jacket to her ample bosom*

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[Kenneth Williams]Ohohohohohohoh! [/Kenneth Williams]

A quivering AG
 

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Posted by Chamois (# 16204) on :
 
Nah. No way. I don't believe it for a moment.

Not even God would make a whole woman from a little bitty bone like a rib, still less from an even littler bittier bone in some man's pecker.

I believe God made woman from man's backbone. And that's why I've never met a man who had one.


 

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Posted by The Great Gumby (# 10989) on :
 
Definitely not a new idea, but I've heard an interesting tradition that relates to this. The story goes that in order to extract the bone, God had to make an incision at the base, which is why gents will find something that looks a lot like a scar or seam running down the middle of their scrotum.

They don't teach you that in Sunday School.
 

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Posted by Loquacious beachcomber (# 8783) on :
 

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Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
Ahem - call you on that one, I'm in the café and so are a few others!

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Originally posted by savedbyhim01:
This is an easy one. Genesis 2:22 says, "The Lord God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man."

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Originally posted by savedbyhim01:
This is an easy one.

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