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that's is beyond fucked up and scary as hell.
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I think that comes very close to negotiating in bad faith. Legally that is a bad move.
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I'm with Justinian. makes me physically sick.
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And you somehow expected better of banks?
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And you somehow expected better of banks?
No. Doesn't make it less disgusting, though.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by Tortuf:
And you somehow expected better of banks?
No. Doesn't make it less disgusting, though.
I don't expect better of banks. But I would expect that there would be some legal recourse for the people who were treated so badly. I know the homeowners probably can't afford to hire lawyers on their own. But wouldn't a lawyer be able to find a couple of people to start a class-action lawsuit?
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Nationalize the lot.
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Originally posted by Josephine:
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by Tortuf:
And you somehow expected better of banks?
No. Doesn't make it less disgusting, though.
I don't expect better of banks. But I would expect that there would be some legal recourse for the people who were treated so badly. I know the homeowners probably can't afford to hire lawyers on their own. But wouldn't a lawyer be able to find a couple of people to start a class-action lawsuit?
before anyone should have to sue the lawmakers need to step in and fix this. it's like the neverending nightmare.
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This shit makes free availability of firearms look virtuous.
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Thanks to successive government policy it one law for business and another law for individuals. MP's are perpetually falling over backwards to lick the backsides of big business.
What do you expect from a system that has our own inland revenue whoreing itself off to a tax haven while publicly claiming it was a UK company.
Apparently this isn't fraud.
What do you expect from a system that actively help big business discover tax avoidance schemes.
What do you expect from a system that imprisions individuals for minor drug offences but let's banks off with a fine for laundering drug money.
Fuck em all. I have zero respect politicians right now. Tory's Labour, Libreral are just all the same stinking grey goo. If in future it turns out the greens are just as bad it will be time to storm parliament.
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Tory's Labour, Libreral are just all the same stinking grey goo. If in future it turns out the greens are just as bad it will be time to storm parliament.
...and install yet another helping of the same stinking grey goo in their place.
It ain't politicians that are the problem, it's people. We're all corrupt shits feathering our own nests, it's just that most of us don't get the chance to do it in a big way.
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Originally posted by George Spigot:
Thanks to successive government policy it one law for business and another law for individuals. MP's are perpetually falling over backwards to lick the backsides of big business.
Err... the thing is Georgie lad, this is peculiar to the US mortgage system. I'm not aware that this practice is in use in the UK. I'm willing to be corrected on that though.
It does seem an unpleasant situation though. I wonder how a Democratic president full of "Hope" and recently returned for a second term could have allowed this to develp without wanting to "do something".
George, the Americans voted for the man twice, so I think they must be happy with him and what he allows to happen on his watch.
A Republican president might have fixed it before now, but we'll never know because President Obama has turned a blind eye to it.
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Originally posted by deano:
A Republican president might have fixed it before now, but we'll never know because President Obama has turned a blind eye to it.
I don't think it's one of those things the President can fix. AFAICT it's for the courts to behave differently or Congress to change the law.
Before the people get angry enough to pick up all those guns and have another revolution.
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
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Originally posted by deano:
A Republican president might have fixed it before now, but we'll never know because President Obama has turned a blind eye to it.
I don't think it's one of those things the President can fix. AFAICT it's for the courts to behave differently or Congress to change the law.
Before the people get angry enough to pick up all those guns and have another revolution.
I'm pretty sure the President has some influence though, on those lawmakers. Maybe if he'd mention it from time to time, hold some meetings to look into it, start the ball rolling as it were. Has he done any of that? I wouldn't know as I'm English. Perhaps he has. Let's hope so eh?
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Originally posted by deano:
A Republican president might have fixed it before now, but we'll never know because President Obama has turned a blind eye to it.
Why would a Republican president have been any better?
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
...and install yet another helping of the same stinking grey goo in their place.
It ain't politicians that are the problem, it's people. We're all corrupt shits feathering our own nests, it's just that most of us don't get the chance to do it in a big way.
I agree with that. People get all worked up about politicians and others in power, not noticing that they're a mirror of how we behave in general.
I'm all for getting worked up about them if they're not scapegoats.
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Originally posted by The Rogue:
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Originally posted by deano:
A Republican president might have fixed it before now, but we'll never know because President Obama has turned a blind eye to it.
Why would a Republican president have been any better?
Oh, I'm not saying they would, but the story in the OP indicates the "zombie" aspect of the problem begain in 2010, under Obama - Man of "Hope".
We'll never know how a Republican would have dealt with it, because there wasn't one. Pity, as it would have meant the Ship's port-side crew could have raged at a "real" target (a Republican), rather than the Sainted, Blessed Obama - Man of "Hope", who seem's to have been willing to let this play out without doing anything. Or perhaps he did do something, I'm English so I don't know.
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I looked at the OP read the article and thought "US mortgage/legislation - I haven't a clue - lets leave it to US shipmates." and so didn't post.
So shall we just leave it to them or shall we post inane uninformed rubbish?
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Oh, we discuss US events all the time over here - see the thread about the shootings in America - so yes, we should be able to weigh in to at least ask why they haven’t held their President to account for this situation, especially as they have just re-elected him.
Even more relevant is the fact that one of the banks involved in the HSBC, which is a British bank.
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I don't know much about the American situation but I hold the opinion that American politicians and their fixation with big business are just as bad as English politicians so I used mostly English examples. I had thought those examples were common knowledge but for anyone uninformed enough to think them rubbish I suppose I could provide the appropriate links.
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Originally posted by deano:
We'll never know how a Republican would have dealt with it, because there wasn't one. Pity, as it would have meant the Ship's port-side crew could have raged at a "real" target (a Republican), rather than the Sainted, Blessed Obama - Man of "Hope", who seem's to have been willing to let this play out without doing anything. Or perhaps he did do something, I'm English so I don't know.
There isn't a hell of a lot he could do, in our system. He has done some of the things he could do by executive order -- setting up, and then expanding, programs to allow folks to refinance loans that they could no longer afford, as long as those loans were owned or guaranteed by Freddie Mac or Fannie Mae. Any more than that will require Congress to act. And the folks in Congress are too beholden to the banks to do anything meaningful.
It's the same with the student loan programs. Obama has made changes around the edges of federal student loans, but it's the private student loans that are killing people, and he can't do anything about those without the help of Congress.
If you really want to understand what's going on in the American banking system (mortgages, bailouts, and all), the best place to start is with Matt Taibbi's blog on Rolling Stone. Some of the older articles are available only in their archive, which are behind their paywall. But you can start with what's publicly available, and learn a lot.
Unless, of course, you just like talking about things you know nothing about.
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Originally posted by geroff:
I looked at the OP read the article and thought "US mortgage/legislation - I haven't a clue - lets leave it to US shipmates." and so didn't post.
So shall we just leave it to them or shall we post inane uninformed rubbish?
Thank you Geroff, I was waiting for the same thing. I haven't a clue either and I actually worked in banks most of my life although at a very low level. I did work in loans long enough to hear outraged complaints about every loan turndown, as though we were in the business of just giving the depositors money away to anyone with bad credit and the excuses for not making payments made it obvious that a surprising number of people put their mortgage payment at the bottom of their priority list after vacations, clothes and large screen TVs.
This from the article seems to be an important point: quote:
Chase said it sent Keller a copy of its court filing on December 9, 2008. Keller says he never received any notification.
Surely something this important should be sent by registered mail.
Banks seem a bit damned if they do, damned if they don't in this story. If they foreclose they're kicking the poor guy out of "his" house and if they decide not to foreclose they're even meaner.
Banks can be awful, no doubt about it. The latest AIG scandal and the amazing fact that no one in charge is being punished for it is shocking and wrong.
But my sympathy with the man in Columbus is strained a bit. Ten months without a mortgage payment? He signed a promisory note saying he would make those payments and if he couldn't either see the bank about a refinancing deal or put together one single payment in that length of time then it doesn't seem to me like he was trying very hard. As seen in this article banks don't want to foreclose so the slightest sign of effort on the mortgage holder's part will often appease them.
We don't expect to quit making our car payments and still get to keep the car, we shouldn't expect to keep our house and not pay for it. If banks took the soft charitable attitude so many people expect of them, the bank would fail and all the depositors would lose out.
This man was mighty quick to go live in his daughter's dining room and never look back. She's the one I feel really sorry for.
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Originally posted by Josephine:
There isn't a hell of a lot he could do, in our system. He has done some of the things he could do by executive order -- setting up, and then expanding, programs to allow folks to refinance loans that they could no longer afford, as long as those loans were owned or guaranteed by Freddie Mac or Fannie Mae. Any more than that will require Congress to act. And the folks in Congress are too beholden to the banks to do anything meaningful.
It's the same with the student loan programs. Obama has made changes around the edges of federal student loans, but it's the private student loans that are killing people, and he can't do anything about those without the help of Congress.
If you really want to understand what's going on in the American banking system (mortgages, bailouts, and all), the best place to start is with Matt Taibbi's blog on Rolling Stone. Some of the older articles are available only in their archive, which are behind their paywall. But you can start with what's publicly available, and learn a lot.
Unless, of course, you just like talking about things you know nothing about. [/QB]
If the President is so impotent, why do people want to attain the office? I don’t buy that argument. If the President is merely the “Administrator-in-Chief” then there’s no point in having an election for the post. Just let Congress appoint someone.
But that isn’t the case is it. The President has a huge amount of power, even with Congress. The Congretional system’s power is centred in the committee’s. Get a few important committee people on-side and you can do business. He has all sorts of power to help influence these people from his position in the executive branch. Has he done anything at that level, or is he keeping his powder dry for other issues that he want to push.
It seems to me that Obama has done nothing on this because he probably wants to use his influence, his political capital if you like, on other things he deems as “more important”. This Democratic President seems to have made a value judgement that these people are not worth doing much more for, other than tossing them a few token administrative sops.
I do like talking about things I don’t know much about, it’s what keeps “Hell” in business I think! But I do know a little about the US Government processes and I know that this issue isn’t something that the Democrats, either in the White House or on the Hill, feel the need to waste any effort or capital on.
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I consider myself a fairly conservative guy, and I don't like gov't getting in the way of business, but I DO think business should be accountable to gov't, which at least theoretically represents the will of the people.
Why there aren't more executives sharing a roof with Bernie Madoff over this is beyond me. Maybe there are, and I just don't know about it. These ruthless and selfish con men have wiped out honest, hardworking people and caused no end of consternation for millions of families just trying to get by in an economy where college and health care cost increases outstrip general cost-of-living increases by what? 10:1 or something like that?
That being said, this is a warning to let people know to follow up on these things. I know a couple in a similar situation, and because they kept in touch, found out that the foreclosure wasn't going to happen, and are back in their house.
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deano,
I am no expert on American politics, but it appears you are speaking from the wrong orifice.
The bank bailouts were begun under George W. and those baiilouts were just loads of dosh thrust at the banks with no guidelines. Not saying a Democrat president would have done it better, just that this mess began under a Repubican.
On both sides of the pond, and on the underside of the world as well, it is legal until a law written says it isn't.* Not certain what a president or a prime minister can do in this type of situation.
*Roughly. My understanding is something is not illegal unless there is something in the system saying it is. Those with actual knowledge, please correct me if I have this wrong.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
deano,
I am no expert on American politics, but it appears you are speaking from the wrong orifice.
The bank bailouts were begun under George W. and those baiilouts were just loads of dosh thrust at the banks with no guidelines. Not saying a Democrat president would have done it better, just that this mess began under a Repubican.
Well, you have hit the nail on the head when you say "began", but you missed out "allowed to continue" under a Democrat. Not just any old Democrat either, but the blessed Obama Man-Of-Hope himself.
He may not have started the shafting of the weak and vulnerable, but he allowed it to continue for four years, doing nothing except the odd bit of administrative tat.
Obama Man-of-Hope left people hopeless.
I may be wrong of course, being English.
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Yes, you are entirely wrong, deano. You are thinking of a Westminster parliamentary system where the party leadership commands a majority, calls the shots and actually gets things done.
In the US Congress is independent of the President, who may propose laws and veto them, but needs Congressional support to pass them. Your British mind cannot compass the thought of the executive and the legislature actually being at direct odds because in the Westminster system it's impossible.
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Originally posted by deano:
the blessed Obama Man-Of-Hope
Why some people on the left thought this about a man who was so clearly a pragmatic centrist escapes me.
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Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
I think that comes very close to negotiating in bad faith. Legally that is a bad move.
Legality is whatever the banksters' friend the Oboehna administration wants it to be.
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Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
Yes, you are entirely wrong, deano. You are thinking of a Westminster parliamentary system where the party leadership commands a majority, calls the shots and actually gets things done.
In the US Congress is independent of the President, who may propose laws and veto them, but needs Congressional support to pass them. Your British mind cannot compass the thought of the executive and the legislature actually being at direct odds because in the Westminster system it's impossible.
Hmmm. Yeah… but… no… but…
I don’t believe I am completely wrong.
You are technically correct, which is a euphemism for “not completely right and you need to learn about things a bit more”.
In practice the President can submit bills using a sponsor in Congress. If the White House isn’t confident of a majority they will have to lobby Congress to try and get votes for the bill.
Members of Congress may do this for access to the President, higher media profile, getting a Government contract signed with a company in their home state etc. That is what is meant by the President’s political capital.
This has not, to my knowledge, been done in the situation outlined in the OP.
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Yes, you are entirely wrong, deano. You are thinking of a Westminster parliamentary system where the party leadership commands a majority, calls the shots and actually gets things done.
No he wasn't, he wasn't thinking at all. He was just hijacking a thread on something he neither knows nor cares about in order to get in a few more racist insults about Obama. Just like the pompous ignorant Tory arsehole he either is, or acts as on this forum.
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Your British mind cannot compass the thought of the executive and the legislature actually being at direct odds because in the Westminster system it's impossible.
You are doing a great imitation of being a pompous ignorant Tory arsehole yourself. Keep it up!
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Originally posted by ken:
No he wasn't, he wasn't thinking at all. He was just hijacking a thread on something he neither knows nor cares about in order to get in a few more racist insults about Obama. Just like the pompous ignorant Tory arsehole he either is, or acts as on this forum.
I resent that Ken! I don't "act".
The racism charge is risible, even from you! "If you don't like Obama you must be a racist" is pretty pathetic. I have no problem with the colour of the guys skin. In fact, I think it is a pity Colin Powell never ran for the Presidency, as I rate him very highly. So suck on it Kenny boy!
I also reject the charge of hijacking the thread. I have made references back to the OP all the way through. Why hasn't the President of the USA dealt with the issue raised in the OP in the way I've outlined above?
It isn't terribly difficult to follow Ken, so do try to keep up. I know you tend to feel self-concious and humiliated when around actual thinking Ken, but you don't need to lash out. It's unseemly.
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Originally posted by deano:
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Originally posted by ken:
No he wasn't, he wasn't thinking at all. He was just hijacking a thread on something he neither knows nor cares about in order to get in a few more racist insults about Obama. Just like the pompous ignorant Tory arsehole he either is, or acts as on this forum.
I resent that Ken! I don't "act".
Thanks for clearing that up, it is good to know that you are a pompous ignorant Tory arsehole instead of just acting as one.
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Why hasn't the President of the USA dealt with the issue raised in the OP in the way I've outlined above?
I don't know if y'all over there in the mother country have noticed, but the Congresses Obama has faced (except for about a year at the beginning of his administration) have been even more than usually obstructive. Obama requesting something from Congress would probably result in them doing the exact opposite.
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Originally posted by RuthW:
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Originally posted by deano:
the blessed Obama Man-Of-Hope
Why some people on the left thought this about a man who was so clearly a pragmatic centrist escapes me.
And finally, here, an avowed conservative (who voted for Obama) cops to the truth:
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Obama has taken a major step toward transforming his presidency into a replica of the administration of George H.W. Bush, at least when it comes to foreign policy.
In a way, much of what Obama has been advocating on domestic policy is not very different from what a Bush I administration (or Nixon, Ford or Eisenhower) would be doing, ranging from raising taxes, reforming immigration policy, or protecting the environment. Obama, in short, is not a socialist or a even a social-democrat, just a good old centrist Republican.
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Originally posted by ken:
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Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
Yes, you are entirely wrong, deano. You are thinking of a Westminster parliamentary system where the party leadership commands a majority, calls the shots and actually gets things done.
No he wasn't, he wasn't thinking at all. He was just hijacking a thread on something he neither knows nor cares about in order to get in a few more racist insults about Obama. Just like the pompous ignorant Tory arsehole he either is, or acts as on this forum.
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Your British mind cannot compass the thought of the executive and the legislature actually being at direct odds because in the Westminster system it's impossible.
You are doing a great imitation of being a pompous ignorant Tory arsehole yourself. Keep it up!
As a person who lives IN a Westminster system and is moreover a member of the New Democratic Party of Canada, your comments ken are completely ignorant.
Please go back under the bridge to the troll-cave where you belong and stop bothering the adults with your inane twaddle.
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My knees are knocking in fear!
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The racism charge is risible, even from you! "If you don't like Obama you must be a racist" is pretty pathetic.
Good thing I never said it then. I didn't say you were acting like a racist bigot because of your silly irrelevant sniping at Obama, I said you were acting like a racist bigot because that's how you post on other threads, and have done for a long time. If it is not in fact an act but your genuine opinion, so much the worse for you.
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....and is moreover a member of the New Democratic Party of Canada,....
My knees are knocking in fear!
What, that's all you can muster?
The NDP is the Canadian sibling of Old Labour, the fact of which you were ignorant.
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Yup. Even I know, ken, that if you were Canadian you'd likely be NDP. Maybe on the left of it, but still NDP.
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Yup. Even I know, ken, that if you were Canadian you'd likely be NDP. Maybe on the left of it, but still NDP.
Maybe, but so what? My complaint about SPK's moan about Deano was that he was missing the point entirely. And SPK then out-Deanoed Deano by a silly reply. Which political party I (or anyone else) might support if we went to Canada isn't really relevant.
Also SPK's strange idée fixe that the root cause of all error, both intellectual and moral, is insufficient knowledge of Canada - and in particular the history and constitution of the United Church of Canada - gets a bit funny after a while. Deano wasn't saying nasty things about the USA because he is ignorant of Canada. He just seems to like saying nasty things about people he doesn't like - such as the working class, gypsies, women, socialists, black people, trade unionists, Scots, Welsh, children, foreigners, and so on - almost whatever the topic of discussion.
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Deano wasn't saying nasty things about the USA because he is ignorant of Canada. He just seems to like saying nasty things about people he doesn't like - such as the working class, gypsies, women, socialists, black people, trade unionists, Scots, Welsh, children, foreigners, and so on - almost whatever the topic of discussion.
Hmmmm...
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I didn't say you were acting like a racist bigot because of your silly irrelevant sniping at Obama
Ahh, but Ken, dear Ken, that is a terminological inexactitude, or LIE! You probably don't remember but you actually wrote...
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in order to get in a few more racist insults about Obama.
So you were having a go at me about being racist over Obama! Just scroll up a bit and you will see.
Silly boy.
You seem to be losing more and more of your credibility with every post you make. I love it!
Hey moderators, can I just hurl some random insults at him please??? Pretty please, just a few, just for laughs??? Go on!! You know you want to see it!
I love the fact that people have grabbed hold of the "act" joke and are going "SEE!! HE SAID IT!!! HE SAID IT!!!"
It takes me back. When I were a lad, a nipper in short trousers, in the schoolyard there was this game. One lad wouold say to another...
Lad 1: Say what you are. You are male
Lad 2: I am male.
Lad 1: You are from Chesterfield
Lad 2: I am from Chesterfield
Lad 1: You are gay
Lad 2: I am gay
Lad 1: HAHHH!! YOU ADMITTED IT!!!!
Then lad 2 would realise he'd been had and him and his mates would kick the living shit out of lad 1 and we all laughed.
It's like that round here a bit.
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Then lad 2 would realise he'd been had and him and his mates would kick the living shit out of lad 1 and we all laughed.
you're one sick little motherfucker, aren't you?
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You seem to be losing more and more of your credibility with every post you make.
Seems so to whom? Someone here may be losing credibility, but I doubt it's ken. Anyway, he's laid in quite a stock, so I don't suppose he's bothered. You, on the other hand ...
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Then lad 2 would realise he'd been had and him and his mates would kick the living shit out of lad 1 and we all laughed.
you're one sick little motherfucker, aren't you?
It was a tough primary school. You didn't graduate, you survived.
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As if robosigning and foreclosing wasn't enough. Banksters have been foreclosing on people, kicking them out of their homes, then reversing the foreclosure and reopening the mortgage. I'm fealing physically sick over this twist. ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif)
Seems there should have to be a signed acknowledgement of being crawfished on, just like any other transaction. A bank saying they sent a notice in the mail doesn't cut it. Or shouldn't. It was always my understanding that in real estate if it ain't in writing, it ain't. So, where did these folks sign off saying it was there property again?
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