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Imersge Canfield
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Imersge Canfield
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hoping
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'You must not attribute my yielding, to sinister appetites'
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Imersge Canfield
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"Preach the gospel and only use jewellry if necessary." (The Midge)
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Oscar the Grouch
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Originally posted by Robert Armin:
Banner Lady, that is very much my impression. I've known various clergy who have hit rough times, and no one in the system is concerned. They have been allowed to drift away, often full of bitterness and the Church they served faithfully. It seems to me that the CoE is not concerned about caring for its clergy.
Without wanting to "politicise" Cedd's predicament (which I understand and can deeply sympathise with. I've been in a similar place), can I just put on my "union hat" here?
Robert Armin is right. Far too often, the C of E as an organisation treats its clergy with appalling negligence. Burnout and depression are far too common, as are incidences of bullying and harassment.
Part of my advice to Cedd (and all others in similar positions) would be to join the Faith Workers' Branch of Unite. There is a crying need for independent sources of informed advice and support. I know of far too many decent, hard-working clergy who feel let down and that they are just wasting their time and that no-one in the "system" pays a blind bit of notice to them, unless it is to do with money!
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Oscar - is this still current - I can only find a link to an archived article on the Unite website, from Google - the current union website doesn't recognise 'faith worker' in its search engine.
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AberVicar
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Try this:
http://www.ceca.org.uk
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Oscar the Grouch
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The Unite website has recently had an upgrade and not everything is in place as yet. In addition, the work on the upgrade has meant that it has proved impossible to to get the relevant pages updated, so even what you can find is looking desperately out of date. Hopefully, this will change soon.
As a clarification, CECA is a newly set up part of the Faith Workers' Branch. It is intended that it will have its own identity and structure (specifically serving Church of England Clergy) but will always remain a part of the overall branch. So anyone who joins CECA will also get the full benefits of being a branch member (including legal support where necessary).
Again, the website and the structures are still being put together.
(CECA's chair is Pete Hobson, who worked on the Genersl Synod's House of Clergy working party which investigated setting up a professional association. CECA is intended to be such an association, fully independent from the Church of England.)
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Imersge Canfield
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I think it is very good to know of this website and the union of intention. It has to be a part of solidarity for minsiters.
But can't help wondering how Cedd and his family are; and hoping for a good resolution.
It is painful to think of such situations, such unkindness and how God can be honoured therein...
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'You must not attribute my yielding, to sinister appetites'
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justlooking
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Originally posted by geroff:
I can only find a link to an archived article on the Unite website, from Google - the current union website doesn't recognise 'faith worker' in its search engine.
AFAIK the faithworkers' branch is a sub-section of the 'not-for-profit' section which may itself be a sub-section. I'm a member because it applies to all faithworkers including voluntary workers such as Methodist Local Preachers and CofE Readers. My membership card is for 'General Workers.' There's a helpline number for faithworkers which will give the relevant details for anyone wanting to join.
Unite's faithworker section is very clued up about the Church's 'Dignity at Work' policy which appears to have been adopted by all dioceses but which is effectively ignored by many, including Ripon and Leeds whose diocesan was instrumental in producing the policy.
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Cedd and family
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Imersge Canfield
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Cedd and family
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'You must not attribute my yielding, to sinister appetites'
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Imersge Canfield
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For you and yours at Epiphany-tide Cedd
[ 06. January 2013, 20:38: Message edited by: Imersge Canfield ]
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'You must not attribute my yielding, to sinister appetites'
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Cedd
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Dear Friends and Shipmates,
I just wanted to let you know that I have just been offered and accepted a vicar's post in the next-door diocese. This was the last interview in my diary and was only confirmed a few days ago. In a way I have been slightly in denial about the situation because it has been so stressful for so long that I can't quite get my head around the fact that it is nearly over and that we are going somewhere that looks good.
I also went for a couple of interviews back in my secular career and one of the firms seemed very keen for me to go there in a fairly senior role. I have to say that I came extremely close to leaving the church entirely and, the sad thing is, that no one in my existing hierarchy would have cared much, I would just be a problem that had been solved. However I do think that God would have cared and, although it has been a struggle, I have managed to hang onto my sense of calling and vocation despite the disinterest of my diocese.
I also have to say that the support and prayers of everyone here has meant a huge amount to me. Again it has proved that there is more than mere disinterest in what happens next. I want to say a huge "thank you" to everyone here who has offered help and support and prayers. It has been very much appreciated throughout.
This has been a huge learning experience on many levels and it will probably take some time for all the lessons to be digested and appreciated. Most importantly I have learnt how easy it is to tie up one's faith in God with the structures of the church, and how the fallibility of the latter can damage the former. As a clergyman that is a huge responsibility, especially knowing how fallible I am. One for continued prayer.
Anyway, a thousand thank you's on every level. You have each done more than you can know.
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Welease Woderwick
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Brilliant news, Cedd, thanks for the update.
Continuing to hold you and your family in the Light.
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Drifting Star
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Congratulations. That's wonderful. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
(Not been posting, but have been following & praying.)
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Angloid
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Good news! ![[Smile]](smile.gif) Take a good rest and don't rush into things.
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Anselmina
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This is great news! I'm so glad for you and your family. Every blessing in the new place. I'm sure they will be very blessed indeed in having you for their vicar!
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Congratulations Cedd.
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Originally posted by Cedd:
However I do think that God would have cared... I have learnt how easy it is to tie up one's faith in God with the structures of the church, and how the fallibility of the latter can damage the former.
It sounds like you have gained a series of powerful insights. I don't doubt that the experience will make you a deeper, wiser and more effective minister. Continued prayers for you...
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Imersge Canfield
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Fantstic news ! Well done.
What a relief
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'You must not attribute my yielding, to sinister appetites'
"Preach the gospel and only use jewellry if necessary." (The Midge)
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Wonderful news, Cedd - continued prayers for you and your family.
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Cedd and family: ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
God's blessings continue to follow you all the days of your life.
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Qoheleth.
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Originally posted by Cedd:
... how easy it is to tie up one's faith in God with the structures of the church, and how the fallibility of the latter can damage the former.
This. ![[Waterworks]](graemlins/bawling.gif)
Excellent news! Thanks be to God!
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Cedd, I am so pleased for you.
Like Driftingtar I have been following this thread prayerfully, but have not posted.
I am delighted that you have an appointment that seems to answer the requirements of you and your wife.
I'm sure you will be able to make use of this experience in your ministry, and hope that you will both come to see the dark times as a stepping stone to growth.
Blessings on you both.
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Nenya
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This is great news.
Nen - another watcher and pray-er.
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This is fantastic news!! I am genuinely thrilled for you and will be praying for you and your family as you move forwards into the role.
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Originally posted by Qoheleth.:
quote:
Originally posted by Cedd:
... how easy it is to tie up one's faith in God with the structures of the church, and how the fallibility of the latter can damage the former.
This.
In France in contracts of all sorts there are all kinds of phrases the signatories have to write out longhand, presumably with the intent that you take in their impact. Cedd's phrase should be required to be written out longhand on any sort of ministerial deed of engagement.
Every blessing for you in your move.
[ 08. January 2013, 19:17: Message edited by: Eutychus ]
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Cedd, that's great news, and I hope this work goes really well. You and your family.
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Banner Lady
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Dear Cedd - Yay! and Yay for God! May you use this experience to change things from the inside as you continue in your ministry. I wish my country had something similar to CECA - it sounds like a sensible thing to join to receive support, especially when one cannot rely on any but the ad hoc kind from within the C of E.
You would think that after 400 years of being church we'd be better at it, wouldn't you?
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Fantastic news, Cedd! I pray for healing for you and your wife - I know how hard it can be to become disillusioned with church and want to leave.
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'May the Lord bless you and keep you all safe in the palm of his hand.'
Ced, like many others, I've been avidly following this discourse and hoping that you would update us with good news.
A friend of mine often makes the statement: 'God loves us, even when the church is being a total bastard'. The hard bit, as you much more eloquently said, is sorting out who is resposnible for what!
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Cedd, I'm very glad.
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Brilliant news Cedd - like a sapling bent by the wind may this strengthen you.
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Fantastic news!!
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Originally posted by Cedd:
However I do think that God would have cared and, although it has been a struggle, I have managed to hang onto my sense of calling and vocation despite the disinterest of my diocese.
Of course He cared, and still does which is why it's all worked out. Mind you, He does get a bit irritating when He strings you along like this, and I've told him that myself in the past ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
Prayers and thanksgiving for you, your family and your new congregation
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Great news! From another shipmate who has been praying but not posting.
Give yourself time to heal - I know from experience it can take a while.
M.
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Robert Armin
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Delighted to hear this. May the Lord bless you and keep you (because the Church won't!). quote:
I have to say that I came extremely close to leaving the church entirely and, the sad thing is, that no one in my existing hierarchy would have cared much
This is true in my experience, and I can see it in the lives of many I trained with.
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Cedd
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Thank you, all - I feel very blessed by you... ![[Axe murder]](graemlins/lovedrops.gif)
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Raptor Eye
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I add my congratulations and thank God for the answer to our prayers Cedd.
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Glad to hear your good news Cedd.
Plus, what RA said.
for you
for RA
for anyone else experiencing the Church in its bastard mode.
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Excellent news! Truly, may God heal the damage that has been done to you and your wife, and bless you as you take the next steps.
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Oscar the Grouch
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Good news! And I hope that the new post is everything you desire it to be.
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The Intrepid Mrs S
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Another thing you have learned, Cedd, is that you still have value in the Outside World. That must be good for the ol' self-esteem!
Mrs. S, wishing you all the very best
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So very pleased for you
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