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Posted by Qoheleth. (# 9265) on :
 
What are folk doing on Thursday and/or Sunday this year?

Our regular weekday morning Lady Chapel Eucharist is on Thursdays, which is handy at this time of year. The Sacristan will prepare a white chasuble, and a processional banner from better times will be set by the altar. How much of that preparation remains once the Sacristan has gone to work remains to be seen... [Disappointed]

Qoheleth will be going on a jaunt after work, but where? ASMS is always good value, hopefully with a full outdoor procession? Bourne St and Holborn have featured in the past. I once carried the ombrellino at the Shrine of St Brian (aka the Cosmodrome). The St Magnus website suggests that the congregation was raptured on 16 April last. [Confused]

So, what are the Eccles denizens going to be doing?
 
Posted by Bishops Finger (# 5430) on :
 
I recall going to ASMS one Corpus Christi a few years ago - a great occasion, with the MBS carried in procession along part of Oxford Street before returning to the church for Benediction.....

....at our modest little fane, we shall have an evening Mass with hymns and incense for the 10 or so faithful souls who will (hopefully) be there.

Ian J.
 
Posted by Zach82 (# 3208) on :
 
I expect I shall go to the local Anglo-Catholic shrine on Thursday. Church of the Advent, Boston has a do planned.
 
Posted by St.Silas the carter (# 12867) on :
 
Sadly, all three of our priests will be away at a meeting in Rome. We'll have a sung mass, (and hopefully) exposition of the blessed sacrament, an act of reparation to the blessed sacrament, and benediction.
 
Posted by leo (# 1458) on :
 
My fave was many years ago at All Saints York where they draped the dustbins in damask before the procession of the MBS went past.

Presumably, the incarnate lord and his blessed mother left all the menial tasks like pouting the rubbish out to Joseph, that chaste spouse.
 
Posted by venbede (# 16669) on :
 
Surely making even the dustbins rejoice, or at least a sign of rejoicing, at the presence of God Incarnate is the highest possible witness to the dignity of labour?
 
Posted by leo (# 1458) on :
 
When you put it like that, then, I have to agree.
 
Posted by kingsfold (# 1726) on :
 
Full sung mass, exposition of TMBBOULJC, procession round the church with flower petals (I think a mixture of rose and others), two thurifers (one going backwards, one forwards) and never-ending hymn.

I just wish I got what it was all about - it seems rather OTT, and I'm not entirely comfortable with it...
 
Posted by venbede (# 16669) on :
 
Corpus Christi is one of my favourite festivals, and for years I have not been able to make a mass with procession.

This year the new Bishop of Croydon, and head bloke of Affirming Catholicism, is presiding at St John's Upper Norwood for mass and procession of the BS and I hope to be there.

For years I've been bitterly disappointed that Affirming Catholicism seems to be affirming academic Christianity or ever affirming liberal protestantism.

I am deeply glad that Aff Cath seems to be getting round to actually affirming catholicism.
 
Posted by venbede (# 16669) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by kingsfold:

I just wish I got what it was all about - it seems rather OTT, and I'm not entirely comfortable with it...
Try this
 
Posted by georgiaboy (# 11294) on :
 
I've just come from proof-reading the bulletin for next Sunday's liturgy, so I can report that we will have
 I've been pushing for a street procession, but 'maybe next year'.
 
Posted by St.Silas the carter (# 12867) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by georgiaboy:

[*]following the singing of 'O Saving Victim' (to 'Hereford')
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I've been pushing for a street procession, but 'maybe next year'.
I have'nt heard it sung to this in years, and I love it. [Axe murder]

I'm in the choir, so our music will be:
Prelude: Ich Ruf zu dir, Herr Jesu Christ
Entrance: Deck Thyself, My soul, With Gladness
Mass: Missa de Angelis
Offertory: Sacerdotes Domini, William Byrd
Communion: O Sacrum Convivium, Giovanni Croce
Exsposition:
Jesus, My Lord, My God, My All
O salutaris (Duget)
Tantum Ergo (Dulce Carmen)
Recessional: Holy God, We Praise Thy Name (Grosser Gott)
Postlude: Prelude and Fugue in C major, BWVW 545.
 
Posted by Bishops Finger (# 5430) on :
 
Having had a last-minute Bright Idea, Father now proposes to have a Procession and Benediction after Mass tomorrow evening. There may be only a few of us, but at least we can show some honour to the Blessed Sacrament - and it's good to sometimes do something a little different from the norm!

Ian J.
 
Posted by St.Silas the carter (# 12867) on :
 
I just got an e mail saying that all the servers are required to attend the noon mass on Sunday, so I guess that means OLASJCITMBS is going for his walk after all.
 
Posted by dj_ordinaire (# 4643) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
Having had a last-minute Bright Idea, Father now proposes to have a Procession and Benediction after Mass tomorrow evening. There may be only a few of us, but at least we can show some honour to the Blessed Sacrament - and it's good to sometimes do something a little different from the norm!

Ian J.
I think that sounds lovely - a small intimate bit of time with our Saviour's Presence. Let us know how it goes! [Smile]
 
Posted by Alogon (# 5513) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by georgiaboy:
the organist will play Messiaen's 'Le Banquet Cèleste' at the first voluntary
I used to think that this was the ideal Corpus Christi prelude, but now I hear it as a Maundy Thursday piece. There is too much suffering beneath the surface.

quote:
[*]following the singing of 'O Saving Victim' (to 'Hereford')
Whew, not to the tune St. Vincent. That old whiner could spoil an entire service for me. The tune you are using sounds attractive.

If all goes well, I'll be at S. Clement's and with a friend who has never been there. He's a good Roman Catholic, so I have no wish to convert him. But I hope that he will enjoy the experience.
 
Posted by Bishops Finger (# 5430) on :
 
dj_ordinaire - I will report back as and when!

Ian J.
 
Posted by Martin L (# 11804) on :
 
[Tear] It seems everybody around here is transferring to Sunday.
 
Posted by iamchristianhearmeroar (# 15483) on :
 
The liberal catholic parish I attend in SE London isn't marking Corpus Christi today so I shall stay up in town for mass. St Alban's Holborn is just a stone's throw away from my office so is a natural choice for Corpus Christi each year.

Always marked with a simple "bible service" as the previous incumbent used to say!! [Biased]
 
Posted by Qoheleth. (# 9265) on :
 
S Magnus the Martyr for me.
 
Posted by Devils Advocate (# 16484) on :
 
There will be a Low Mass this evening at 19-30 where no doubt the correct propers will be used and the main event takes place on Sunday afternoon ( Solemn Evensong Procession of the Blessed Sacrament and Benediction) where the Bishop of the Diocese will preach. The PP did ask is he wanted to preside but thats been no no'ed ( More out of trepidation than anything I think) If its not raing cats and dogs we shall be processing through the church and round the churchyard as usual, complete with Umbrellino.
Unfortunately we wont have enough servers for 2 Thurifers and I alas am MC so I wont be doing it ( though I shall have to supervise the thurifer very strictly) The jollifications will be concluded with a Parish Tea in the church hall
 
Posted by georgiaboy (# 11294) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Alogon:
quote:
Originally posted by georgiaboy:
the organist will play Messiaen's 'Le Banquet Cèleste' at the first voluntary
I used to think that this was the ideal Corpus Christi prelude, but now I hear it as a Maundy Thursday piece. There is too much suffering beneath the surface.

quote:
[*]following the singing of 'O Saving Victim' (to 'Hereford')
Whew, not to the tune St. Vincent. That old whiner could spoil an entire service for me. The tune you are using sounds attractive.

If all goes well, I'll be at S. Clement's and with a friend who has never been there. He's a good Roman Catholic, so I have no wish to convert him. But I hope that he will enjoy the experience.
Thanks for your reactions.
Interesting response to Le Banquet Céleste: I've never heard the suffering you mention.
I think almost everyone was glad to consign 'St Vincent' to the dustbin. Another parish where I worked used 'Melcombe' for the O Salutaris.
Give us the scoop on St Clement's, particularly your friend's reaction!
 
Posted by Comper's Child (# 10580) on :
 
We'll have low masses today, the nearby AC shrine church having their big do tonight (I'll be there). Our parish celebration and procession will be Sunday for the External Solemnity - solemn mass, procession, and benediction - our last Sunday with choir until September.
 
Posted by Bishops Finger (# 5430) on :
 
Our little service went fairly well, though the logistics didn't quite work out - the result of having Last Minute Ideas and virtually no practice!

Never mind - the 11 souls present in our Lady Chapel duly listened to the proper readings and a rather waffly sermon, and sang some nice hymns:
Alleluia, sing to Jesus as the introit
Soul of my Saviour at the offertory
Lord enthroned in heavenly splendour for the procession round the church and back into the Lady Chapel for a few minutes' silent prayer before the MBS, concluding with Tantum ergo, Benediction, and the Divine Praises.

We'll do better next year (and will probably advertise the service more widely as well....)

Ian J.
 
Posted by anne (# 73) on :
 
A little smoke, a borrowed monstrance and a procession inside the church because of the rain in this corner of Devon tonight. Of course the state of our roof made that only slightly drier than it would have been outside!
 
Posted by Alogon (# 5513) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by georgiaboy:
Give us the scoop on St Clement's, particularly your friend's reaction!
Sadly, he didn't go with me anyway. Called late Wed. night very apologetic, to say that guests were coming over the weekend, the house was a mess, and if he didn't help his wife with the cleaning he'd be in the doghouse for a month. I believe him, but perhaps he is also a bit uncomfortable with the idea of darkening the door of a protestant conventicle, even if once he got inside he'd find Latin, lace, and even the Tridentine canon!

Our guest preacher was Fr. Alton, formerly rector of S. Mark's, Philadelphia, now of S. Andrew's, Stamford, Conn. The music had a French flavor: Vierne Messe Solennelle, prelude and three intense motets by Marcel Dupré, the latter unpublished. Peter Conte told me he was given the music long ago by someone at St. Mary the Virgin in New York (probably McNeil Robinson). In his lifetime Dupré might cringe at the use of Vierne's music alongside his. The two men had a falling out after Dupré's agent or publicist made the mistake of billing him as the organist of Notre-Dame for a British tour, when he was only the assistant. But if they are both enjoying the empyrean realms that their music intimates, they must be reconciled by now. :-)

Peter's hymn accompaniments and improvisations were superlative as always. Hymns included "Clear vault of heaven", which I can never get through dry-eyed. I've never heard of its being used anywhere else, but no Corpus Christi festival at S. Clement's would be complete without it.

Traffic getting into the city was so horrendous that I arrived barely in time and not feeling entirely Christian. But it's the good stuff that one will remember. Thanks be to God.
 
Posted by Magic Wand (# 4227) on :
 
Like Alogon I was also at St. Clement's, where I've often gone for Corpus Christi in years past for their lavish and inspiring celebrations of the feast. I had heard that things had changed there lately, but I was shocked to see some of it in person. I recognized very few of the acolytes, and there were rather less of them than in prior years. Almost no one in the chancel seemed to know what they were supposed to do, to the extent of almost bumping into each other several times. There were no relics on the altar, and hardly any flowers. They've given up little things like the paten at Communion, and much more noticeable things like the canopy for the Blessed Sacrament. And there were a whole bunch of other odd minor differences from my previous experiences of Corpus Christi there.

The music is still of a very high standard, but they had fewer hymns for the procession of the Blessed Sacrament, so it was taken at a break-neck speed!

And I thought Father Alton's homily was really good,

All in all it left me with a sad feeling, like an age had passed that we won't see again. I guess that's progress!
 
Posted by malik3000 (# 11437) on :
 
I went to mass at the little high-up-the-candle place i go to if i want to observe a weekday celebration such as Ascension or Corpus Christi (My own MOR parish doesn't do Corpus Christi at all) It was a full-fledged solemn mass where the ministers and the choir outnumbered the congregation 11-8. The priest, deacon and sub-deacon had what appeared to be new gold vestments and incense was applied energetically creating a nice slight haze in the smallish church. (No procession with the Blessed Sacrament or Benediction however)

A few years ago I attended a sunday celebration of Corpus Christi at St Mary the Virgin in New York and as part of the congregation participated in their procession with the Blessed Sacrament thru the Sunday noontime crowds in Times square -- a memorable experience, and i'll always recall the sight of the ministers carrying the sacrament under a gold-cloth canopy passing by a woman wearing what appeared to be a very skimpy version of a Wonder Woman costume perched atop a car as part of some sort of promotion!
 
Posted by kingsfold (# 1726) on :
 
quote:
posted by Alogon:
The music had a French flavor: Vierne Messe Solennelle, prelude and three intense motets by Marcel Dupré
We also had the Vierne Messe Solennelle, then Franck Panis Angelicus. Can't remember what the postlude was, but I think that was French too.
 
Posted by Alogon (# 5513) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Magic Wand:
There were no relics on the altar, and hardly any flowers. They've given up little things like the paten at Communion, and much more noticeable things like the canopy for the Blessed Sacrament.
You have a somewhat keener eye than I. While I didn't notice uncertain shuffling among the altar party, I regretted the absence of the paten (if that is what we call the spade-shaped tray carried by a server to catch the host in case someone drops it). I also noticed the absence of the relics but thought that this might be due to not wanting to distract from the Sacrament in the monstrance and can't recall whether it was ever otherwise on Corpus Christi. Something certainly sheltered the monstrance in procession. If not a canopy, what is it called? Umbrellino, perhaps? It seemed far too large to describe with "ino" and was no less beautiful than the former canopy.

There is definitely less money to work with than in the past, which is no one's fault: attendance and pledging are up. Although I don't accept the claim that we can't afford a curate, when market conditions have reduced the endowment or the income from it, it would be very foolish not to make adjustments.
 
Posted by Hooker's Trick (# 89) on :
 
This is an unusual feast for me, but the music on offer was Darke in F, which I find hard to resist.

So I went along to one of my favourite churches in England.

Highlights: music to cathedral standard. Procession. Baroque vestments glittering. Headgear (birettas? Even now?). Two thurifers, two banners, one aparell, lights, and all inside as the weather was so shocking.

Sadly we were fewer than 10 in the congo.
 
Posted by Comper's Child (# 10580) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Alogon:
quote:
Originally posted by Magic Wand:
There were no relics on the altar, and hardly any flowers. They've given up little things like the paten at Communion, and much more noticeable things like the canopy for the Blessed Sacrament.
You have a somewhat keener eye than I. While I didn't notice uncertain shuffling among the altar party, I regretted the absence of the paten (if that is what we call the spade-shaped tray carried by a server to catch the host in case someone drops it). I also noticed the absence of the relics but thought that this might be due to not wanting to distract from the Sacrament in the monstrance and can't recall whether it was ever otherwise on Corpus Christi. Something certainly sheltered the monstrance in procession. If not a canopy, what is it called? Umbrellino, perhaps? It seemed far too large to describe with "ino" and was no less beautiful than the former canopy.

There is definitely less money to work with than in the past, which is no one's fault: attendance and pledging are up. Although I don't accept the claim that we can't afford a curate, when market conditions have reduced the endowment or the income from it, it would be very foolish not to make adjustments.
I assumed the ombrellino was used due to lack of extra servers to carry the canopy. The MC did seem to be herding sheep at a couple of points. Yes the relics were not on the high altar, but of course they must always be covered over when the MBS is exposed so it is rather sensible in my view to put them away for such an occasion. The procession was hardly break-neck as it took four hymns to cover it, but it wasn't the former snail's pace procession either.

The music was ravishing and the homily excellent.
 
Posted by Qoheleth. (# 9265) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Qoheleth.:
S Magnus the Martyr for me.

I thought I had seen most things in my travels, but this was new:
quote:
The Subdeacon covers the paten with the right end of the humeral veil in such a manner that his hand does not touch the paten and that both hand and paten are concealed by the veil. Holding the paten against his breast, and covering his right hand with his left, the Subdeacon returns by the shortest way to the center at the foot of the altar, genuflects, and stands there until the consecration. After the genuflection he raises the paten in front of his face, supporting the right elbow with the left hand.
Can anyone tell me, please, of what is this a vestige?
 
Posted by Mamacita (# 3659) on :
 
Why do the thurifers walk backwards? (I'm guessing it's to not turn one's back on the MBS.)
 
Posted by Alogon (# 5513) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mamacita:
Why do the thurifers walk backwards? (I'm guessing it's to not turn one's back on the MBS.)
That's right. I rather like it, but it's not an authentic old practice and not done at S. Clement's.
 
Posted by Forthview (# 12376) on :
 
Qoheleth - you will find the answer to your question in the instructions for the celebration of High Mass in the Roman rite before Vatican 2
 
Posted by Michael Astley (# 5638) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Alogon:
quote:
Originally posted by Mamacita:
Why do the thurifers walk backwards? (I'm guessing it's to not turn one's back on the MBS.)
That's right. I rather like it, but it's not an authentic old practice and not done at S. Clement's.
This happens in the Byzantine Rite, during the Great Entrance at the Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts. The deacon censes the Gifts during the procession and, because they have been.consecrated, walks backwards so as not to turn his back on them.

In places where they perhaps don't understand the reason for this, it is not rare to find a server doing the same backward-walk at the regular Liturgy, even though the gifts at this point are not consecrated, nobody below the order of deacon censes anything or anyone liturgically, and the rubrics do not call for any censing of the gifts at this point anyway.

I suppose it's the equivalent of western Christians genuflecting out of habit, even when there is no reservation.
 
Posted by Qoheleth. (# 9265) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Forthview:
Qoheleth - you will find the answer to your question in the instructions for the celebration of High Mass in the Roman rite before Vatican 2
Thanks. This link offers a convincing explanation, from
quote:
the bowels of the history of the liturgy.
[Eek!]
 
Posted by Bishops Finger (# 5430) on :
 
Hooker's Trick mentions the sad fact that there were less than 10 in the congo at the church he visited.

We had 11 all told (but we are a small backstreet parish with an ASA of 30-35), and, on looking back at the registers, I see that our previous Corpus Christi Mass (in 2005, I think) mustered 8.........

We intend, next year, to advertise our service more widely across the Deanery, so that a few souls whose own benighted conventicles don't celebrate CC on the day might be accommodated. Corpus Christi isn't on everyone's radar, I know, but it makes sense in this area for at least one church (apart from the Cathedral - and I don't know offhand what they offered) to make the effort. For all its ragged edges, it was a lovely service.

Ian J.
 
Posted by Lietuvos Sv. Kazimieras (# 11274) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Qoheleth.:
I thought I had seen most things in my travels, but this was new:
quote:
The Subdeacon covers the paten with the right end of the humeral veil in such a manner that his hand does not touch the paten and that both hand and paten are concealed by the veil. Holding the paten against his breast, and covering his right hand with his left, the Subdeacon returns by the shortest way to the center at the foot of the altar, genuflects, and stands there until the consecration. After the genuflection he raises the paten in front of his face, supporting the right elbow with the left hand.
Can anyone tell me, please, of what is this a vestige?
The subdeacon paten dance is a vestige of deacons standing round at the bishop's Eucharist, waiting to take consecrated Bread from this Eucharist out to the suburban congregations in which presbyters presided at the Eucharist. The delivery of these consecrated particles from the bishop's mass was to show the unity of the suburban presbyters' masses with the bishop's Eucharist. In the same way, the Co-Mixture - the dropping of a particle of the Host into the Chalice - is thought to originally date from this same era, and is a vestige of the reception of the Bread from the bishop's Eucharist at the offering of the Mass in suburban churches, though the ceremony was later given a mystical re-interpretation.

I don't care for the paten dance myself, though it is done at my current parish church of St Clement's Philadelphia.

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Posted by dj_ordinaire (# 4643) on :
 
I attended Mass and Procession for Corpus Domini in the Ambrosian Rite, celebrated by HE the Cardinal Archbishop of Milan, together with what appeared to be all the clergy and religious of the diocese in striking red vestments.

The Mass was celebrated in the church of San Carlo with the doors open so that we who were thronging outside could have a good view of the action at the altar. Then the party, together with various civic representatives, guilds and such like processed through the streets to the Duomo whilst an extended liturgy was read and sang over a special loud-speaker system. This consisted of readings from the Encyclical of Pope Benedict on 'Love', litanies, Scriptural readings, hymns and choruses.

The MBS was carried by the Cardinal under the canopy with thurifer and six lights - I was most disappointed at the lack of rose petals and the fact that the thurifer walked forwards - one would have thought they would have wanted to go the whole hog but no matter!

The only real down side was just how much of it there was... We didn't stay for the concluding liturgy and Benediction in the Duomo because proceedings had already gone on for two hours and seemed to be just over half way. [Ultra confused] Now, I am all for good meaty liturgy but a) there was a lot of catechetical material which was rather dry, and not enough singing for my taste; and b) we hadn't had any dinner...

So that was my Thursday evening anyway! [Smile]
 
Posted by Angloid (# 159) on :
 
And dinner in Milan is itself a foretaste of the heavenly banquet. [Smile]
 
Posted by Incensed (# 2670) on :
 
Did anyone manage to get to St Mary's Bourne Street last night? My contact there says that they have started bussing in priests for the procession but I remember the canopy being carried by men in dinner jackets who must have been lay people.
 
Posted by Ceremoniar (# 13596) on :
 
Our outdoor procession was rained out (though the rain is much-needed here), so we just had the procession of clergy and servers circle around the interior of the church. We used the ombrellino, but not the canopy, which we would have used outside. Naturally, we used two thurifers, neither of which walked backwards. They simply alerntated: One censed the Most Holy while the other took a few steps forward, then vice-versa. The same is done during the procession on Maundy Thursday.
 
Posted by Liturgylover (# 15711) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Incensed:
Did anyone manage to get to St Mary's Bourne Street last night? My contact there says that they have started bussing in priests for the procession but I remember the canopy being carried by men in dinner jackets who must have been lay people.
I was going to go, but a last minute swirch drove me to St Barts where a modest-sized congregation was treated to full Solemn Latin Vespers; a wonderful setting of the Magnificat to Marenzio; the sublime O Sacrum Convivium by Tallis' Byrd's Ave Verum. Followed by Benediction and a setting of Tantum Ergo and Salve Regina. Very beautofil but a bit low key as the procession and an earlier benendiction took place during the morning Solemn Eucharist.

I do would be interested to know about Bourne St.
 
Posted by dj_ordinaire (# 4643) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Angloid:
And dinner in Milan is itself a foretaste of the heavenly banquet. [Smile]
Hehe, thanks, the pheasant dinner I cooked for us afterwards was quite nice I admit!

More relevantly... this page has a picutre from last year which gives a flavour of things...
 
Posted by Angloid (# 159) on :
 
Obviously the Ambrosian rite knows how to do things properly. Do you know if CC was observed on the Thursday or the Sunday in the rest of Italy?
 
Posted by dj_ordinaire (# 4643) on :
 
I do indeed know that it was observed on Sunday (in gold rather than red), as by Sunday I was in the Archdiocese of Genoa and got everything again... [Smile] Just a simple service with no processions this time but very good for my understanding of the Epistle to the Hebrews in Italian!
 
Posted by Angloid (# 159) on :
 
In Genova cathedral by any chance? Great place. [PS I can't understand the Epistle to the Hebrews in English!]

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Posted by dj_ordinaire (# 4643) on :
 
No, out in the Cinque Terre. I presume there is a cathedral in La Spezia, which is nearer, but I'm not sure if it is still an independent diocese. How widespread is keeping CC on the Thursday amongst RCs? I know the England & Wales, and Ireland, all transfer to the Sunday, and that Poland keeps the Thursday.
 
Posted by Forthview (# 12376) on :
 
Corpus Christi is called popularly in Italy 'Corpus Domini' or more correctly in modern Italian 'Santissimo Corpo e Sangue di Cristo.
For about 40 years now Corpus Christi is celebrated liturgically on the Sunday following the traditional date in Italy.There are a few very local exceptions,such as Orvieto where the 'miracle of Bolsena' is commemorated by a historical pageant with the liturgical procession of the Blessed Sacrament following on the Sunday.

One shouldn't forget that the Vatican is NOT in Italy and it celebrates liturgical feasts on the traditional days.

The Holydays of Obligation in Italy,apart from Sundays, are Epiphany(6th Jan)Assumption(15th Aug),All Saints (1st November)Immaculate Conception(8th December) and Christmas (25th Dec)
All other traditional festivals are either transferred to Sunday or ar not considered as of obligation.

In addition there will be local holidays of religious significance and public holidays such as 7th Dec.(Milan) and 10th August(Perugia).
 
Posted by Angloid (# 159) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Forthview:

One shouldn't forget that the Vatican is NOT in Italy and it celebrates liturgical feasts on the traditional days.
Quick question to which you or someone might know the answer: are there any parish churches within the Vatican? I imagine there are various convent chapels and that sort of thing (little shacks with ceiling paintings by Michelangelo spring to mind), but otherwise presumably St Peter's is the only place where those feasts are publicly celebrated on their correct days.
 
Posted by Triple Tiara (# 9556) on :
 
The parish church is Sta Anna, by the St Anne's Gates and the Swiss Guards barracks. Then there is the Abyssinian Church, St Stephen's, where Lord Nicholas Windsor, son of the Duke and Duchess of Kent, was married.
 
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
The parish church is Sta Anna, by the St Anne's Gates and the Swiss Guards barracks. Then there is the Abyssinian Church, St Stephen's, where Lord Nicholas Windsor, son of the Duke and Duchess of Kent, was married.
Does this mean that Lord Nicholas is now an Ethiopian Catholic?
 
Posted by Triple Tiara (# 9556) on :
 
[Big Grin]
 
Posted by dj_ordinaire (# 4643) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
The parish church is Sta Anna, by the St Anne's Gates and the Swiss Guards barracks.
What a curious and charming hybrid of everyday inner-city parish and high-profile bastion of the Vatican!
 
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on :
 
As Triple T well knows, those reconciling to themselves to the Catholic Church may do so through any of the churches of that communion-- I know two Melkites and a Coptic Catholic, who onced graced Anglican pews. But a bit of research shows that my post was perhaps too flippant-- Lord Nicholas was received into the Latin church in 2001 and he is now an honorary vice-president of the Friends of the Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham.

Apologies to other shipmates for the tangent.
 
Posted by Forthview (# 12376) on :
 
The Vatican state includes various other churches such as the Patriarchal basilicas of Santa Maria Maggiore,San Giovanni in Laterano and San Paolo fuori le Mura,which are all extra territorial to Italy,as well as the papal summer residence of Castel Gandolfo.Whether they celebrate liturgically on traditional days or not, I don't know.

Ss Peter and Paul is one of the days dropped from the festal calendar of public holidays about 40 years ago (on the 100th anniversary of the Breach of Porta Pia and the incorporation of Rome into the Italian state).The day passes by unnoticed now by most Italians but the pope still celebrates a Solemn Mass at which he distributes the pallium to new archbishops appointed during the previous year.
 
Posted by Angloid (# 159) on :
 
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Originally posted by dj_ordinaire:
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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
The parish church is Sta Anna, by the St Anne's Gates and the Swiss Guards barracks.
What a curious and charming hybrid of everyday inner-city parish and high-profile bastion of the Vatican!
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